I've recently discussed this with Insert, and I think that this idea needs to have a thread for people to discuss it, and we can possibly have a vote in the future after it's been thoroughly discussed.

We've been having issues with that chat, and it instantly get posted to Main. No matter how hard we stress that we can't do shit about it, people still see the need to make a thread bitching about a crappy chat. The most recent problem has been the self-proclaimed-hacker. He's been causing fuck-ups on the chat and threads on the Main. I'm sure that many people are getting tired of the threads that we can't do anything about on Main, so that's where this idea comes in.

It was brought up that we could have the Chatroom button changed so that it will link to Thiamor's chat here instead of the one we are currently using. That way we may inform Thiamor and have said issues fixed when there is a problem.

I am aware that Thiamor is currently making changes to his chat, and I know that this will take some time. Many people would probably appreciate us having or own chatroom so that we may fix any issues instead of saying, "Not our chat. Not our problem."

This would require two to three more threads. One explaining that the chat is a work in progress, one for suggestions on how to improve it, and one to mention issues people are having with the chat. These threads should be appropriately placed in the Tech Board.

We need to discuss the pros and cons of each one. If we keep our current chat, we'll continue to get spam about fuck ups people have with the chat and the hacker. To which we can easily shrug off. If we change it, we'll get constant suggestions on how to improve the chat, even though Thiamor's already working on it.

I understand that it takes a while to do this, but newbs won't understand. In this case, we must also keep in mind that we will look lazy when updates in the chat take a while. We can bitch at them all we want, but newbs will be newbs. We cannot force them to understand that Thiamor has a life and job, and that updating the chat won't be easy.

Essentially, we need to debate three things.
1) The spam we get on Main about the chat.
2) The availability to fix any issues with the chat.
3) Our image when it comes to chat based issues.

Here are some other threads that play a roll in this.
The Lobby Chat
The Chatroom isn't Ours
IRC
The chat room. Is it really necessary?

I don't know if I should have done that last one, but I did it anyways! Please link any other appropriate threads for this Suggestion.

The essential suggestion of this is, "We should replace that crappy chat with Thiamore's chat." I'm suggesting this while being fully aware that it's not finished yet.

I defiantly agree, I think we're all getting sick of people complaining about something beyond our control and this is a simple way to remedy that.

FUCK!

My linky for the chat didn't work, so here's the url.
http://meetyourmaker.darkbb.com/h15-lobby

That's what I get for trying to be fancy and shit

Well we'll still get those same people complaining about the other chat even after changing it to another. We could link both? Cause no matter what, we're bound to get the same questions for the one we have now, even long since changing. But if we link both, then it might kill off some of the constant threads on the matter.

I wouldn't mind it used, but not worried about it being linked just yet, but with it linked, it'd give us more active "testers" for out functions.

Our*

I vote NO! \:D/

>>7 This.

I've explained my reasoning in related threads.

^

Is my thread not ood enough to be in the top 5 Barabi? Why bump it down?

Bump

>>10 It's not a competition, you know.

They're in a Cold War.

>>10 I wasn't aiming to bump it down. I was bumping another thread down. But because I don't like this thread, I didn't feel the need to make it my job to bump it. Take care of your own threads, Leigha.

>>10
>>14
Plus there are other pretty important topics to bump up, other than just this one. No offense, Leigha.

I still think this would help our whole, "Stop Xanthos!" problem. Does nobody agree? I mean, if yo don't want to use Tmore's chat you could at least recommend we change it to a different chat.

>>16 I still don't think it would help anything.

1. I'm not using Thiamor's shitty chat because, oh yeah - I can't. I'm not changing my browser for that.

2. We have a lot of members who like Drrrchat, and there's nothing so wrong with it that we shouldn't link it anymore. As much as you or I may dislike it, we DO have members who like it. Why do you think the threads about the chat show up in the first place? Because people who actually like the chat are worried. I don't see how, considering the magnitude of people who do in fact like it, we can just change it to another chat.

3. No matter what chat you change it to, every time that there is a problem, Main will be full of threads.

4. If Xanthos knows our site, he'll just try to "hack" whatever chat we put up, and we'll get the same messges.

5. Use the IRC if you honestly can't handle any of the other chat options we have. If you don't like that, then go fuck yourself, because we really do not need yet another half-assedly made chat.

There are other versions of Suin's chat on other sites, which is alright to link to. However, I DO NOT think:
1. We should have someone make a new chat.
2. We should unlink drrrchat (at this point).

If drrrchat does in fact go down, then we can just link to a different chat then. There are countless drrr-styled chats out there. But right now? We really don't need to be switching. Those chats will probably have just as many bugs anyway.

>>16 Who the fuck is Xanthos and why do we care if he's not a BBS member.

Ah f I can't delete >>19 just ignore it because it sounds mean and I just recently saw the threads for it.

But my point still stands, Xantos or whatever isn't a valid reason to switchthe chats.

>>18
Little heads up. You can't just claim it's shitty to all of us, just because you're too lazy to change a browser (not like it's some fact, anyway).
Now, I don't care one way or the other about you using it or not, but I won't stand for you to try to state it's shitty just cause you can't use it. What makes you special enough to warrant it's "Shittiness" and enough so where we have to care about it?

That opinion isn't going to be heard (by me, anyway), if you're too lazy to fucking get off your ass and actually make it work. All it requires is typing a URL, downloading and installing. Not everything has to revolve around the way YOU decide to work on the net.

The rest of your opinion on the other shit I can't really argue with, nor do I really want to.


Secondly, I don't even think that idiot kid is hacking. Like I mentioned on the BBS Regulars last night, (given only 1 person and myself was logged on) I stated I believe he is just getting himself and others to quickly spam log-ins and causing the server to lag and shut down. You can do the same for the rooms and not just actually logging into the chat as a whole.

Now I was told he could shut it down upon mentioning it.
I believe he's Instant Messaging (more-so in a Group Conversation) all of the people he has on there, willing to do the log-in/out spammings.

People do this on games and websites all of the time, which can cause it to lock up and shut down.

>>21 Just because I think it's shitty doesn't mean you think it's shitty, and I'm not going to force people to agree with me. Plus, of course you're not going to agree with me on that. Did you honestly think I was expecting you to even try to argue that point? No. You've been stubbornly obsessed with your "great creation" since you first came up with the idea of making a new chat, and you've been an asshole all the while. All you did was ask for opinions and then get pissed at everyone who gave you theirs. Whether it is or isn't shitty doesn't change that the only opinions involved were those of the ones who created it, and there is no reason why something that the community wasn't truly allowed to be a part of should be publically linked.

I've explained before why I can't have a second browser and why I don't want to change my current one. Not to mention that my own computer is screwed up right now, and there's no way in hell my family is going to agree to change the browser on this computer.

My main issue is that you haven't said anything about even /attempting/ to make it work with IE, which is just a jerky move. Just because you don't like the browser doesn't mean that you should completely deny people who do like it the right to use your chat. There ARE people who use it, and there ARE people who don't have a choice. Not everyone has their own computer, and not everyone is allowed to swap their browsers at a moment's notice for the sake of using an asshole's chat.

Who cares if he's hacking? Even if he is just a spammer or an ass with friends, if he is part of the site and sees all this fuss, he'll just spam and/or aim to fuck up the next chat we put up, too. It doesn't change that most of the chats we put up are going to have their own issues, as well, and we're going to have just as many threads about it.

>>22
Yeah, but her main point of this is that the topics now are about shit we've no control over, which it seem like a better idea to at-least be able to fix the problems that arise on something that we can mess with. She isn't trying to say it'd STOP, she is trying to say they would be replaced with topics about shit we have control over.

>>23 Personally I think that you chat was an utter failure (or at least it is for now) and too this was a very pointless argument in my opinion. Now I'm not saying that your the failure, but just what you made sucks. I mean for 1) no one is ever on it, 2)It only has 5 languages and not all of the avatars that the other chat has on it, and 3) you allow for there to be up to 1000 people in one chat area. I'm sure no one is too stupid to set there limit for anything close to 1000, but that is still utterly insane!

So yea I'm sorry mate, but you failed with that. Better luck next time.

>>25
Your point being that everything should be perfect when people make something, otherwise it's a complete failure.

Now I respect your little opinion, but use proper grammar next time, buddy.

Also the reason for 1,000 is to test how many it goes up to, rather than set it low and keep it low.

Secondly, we will be removing all DRRRCHAT related Icons in due time. Replaced with custom ones.

>>26 and >>27 Lol, there's a reason why no one gets on it, it sucks. And I find it funny how people always tend to talk about a person's grammar and spelling when they're loosing an argument or just can't find anything worth saying like you tried to there. It's hilarious.

Oh and I never once said it said be perfect, but on a scale of a 1 - 10, it should be at least higher than a 0. I hope you get my point now...buddy.

>>28
Go read on here. Grammar is brought up a lot on this site, when that person with said "messed up" grammar is trying to prove some type of point, or just raging/breaking rules/whatever.

I'm just saying that if you're trying to say something sucks, at-least proof read what you've said 5 or more times before posting.

>>29 I understand your point. But of few minor grammar mistakes shouldn't of caused that much commotion in my opinion. I would understood if I was talking in all caps or with a capital letter for the first letter in each word. Anyways sure I'll try to eliminate that occasional mess up in speech that do as humans.

hahahahah I just remembered

http://dollars-bbs.org/random/res/1337742010.html

:I

>>31 Thank You? I think...

>>31 Oh this... Funneh.

can people stop posting chat room problems we get it already

>>34 You haven't read this thread, have you? This is not a thread full of bitching about chatroom problems. It would have been saged long ago if it was. This is a thread mentioning a possible solutopn to the bitching on main over the chat. It's spreading to other boards, and it's kind of annoying.

"solutopn"

lol

>>36 I didn't spellcheck it. Deal with it.

I agree, since The Dollars is supposed something of an exclusive group with similar ideals, we really should have our own chat room that is only accessible from our site.

>>38

If we were so exclusive, we'd not have the password from the anime.

Bump

The Dollars are like anti-exclusive ... Anyone joins in, anyone does what he or she wants to ... No ideal community, no control over the members.

You think that there is a leader needed?

>>42 Where in that whole post did it say that we need a leader?

I'm sorry, it was a reaction on RainyDevil's comment,...

(Getting back on topic)

A few thoughts on the matter:
1) Switching from the current chat to Thiamor's would mean active moderation. We could effectively kill a lot of complaints about 'fuck rooms' that way. Simply post a set of rules before someone logs in, clearly visible on the side.
2) We can't use the IRC. Well, technically we can, but there are a lot of computer illiterate users on here. Most of them will not know how to use an IRC properly, and are too used to the based-chatroom style as is.
3) As far as I know, the chatroom seems to be working on multiple browsers, for me at least. Any problems we have in the future can be fixed, because we have direct access to the base code.
4) If there's a problem with moderation, we can simply apply new chatroom mods. More mods mean more chatroom moderation, which means fewer unwanted chats.
5) Switching to Thiamor's chat would mean we could even expand the chatroom to include newer features over time, including avatars and such. As of right now it's already more advanced, I'd say. (keep in mind this is subjective)

Personally I think it's a good idea, considering how much of an addressing issue this is.
By that, I mean that complaints always happen on main, despite our efforts to make threads otherwise. They've helped tone it down slightly, but haven't made the sort of impact that was intended.

Well I've decided that the uploader will work like this for Icons.
The uploader instead of directly uploading Avatars, will send it to a basic QUE on the Database, and Auto Resizes it so we won't have to. This way we'll just go in, upload them, and they will be there for people to use.

Also it'll be easier to keep track of them, rather than people spam giant images on the Avatar page.

Bumping this back up, also with an update.

We have embedded my chat into my Undead Atrocity Page, as it's own Tab. fortunately it works perfectly like this, and it should allow people like Barabi to access it.

How, you ask? Well I tested my theory out, that if you embed it, the majority of any Internet Browser will read it as if it IS official part of Facebook, and rather than not load up, it reads it like it should, and loads it up in any given browser.

I tested this out with the DRRRChat. My browser, Google Chrome, cannot use DRRRChat. It won't even log in. But when I used my embed code, and loaded in the URL, and placed it in the page, it loads it up like normal.

I also have a DRRRChat tab loaded up in my page, for those that do not wish to leave Facebook, but would still like to have access to DRRRChat via not having to leave your page.


Anyway, here is the current link to my chat.

https://www.facebook.com/UndeadAtrocity/app_190322544333196

Enjoy.

>>47 Still getting login error and partial loading when I'm on IE, even through Undead Atrocity.

And what are you talking about? I have Chrome, and drrrchat works perfectly fine.

I still prefer to use IE compared to Chrome, though, and I think you should try to make that chat should work properly with IE.

drrrchat works fine with IE and Chrome.
Your chat, which is pretty much the same chat with less icons, doens't work in IE but works in Chrome.

I don't know what kind of logic you used to make it end up like that.

Out of the main Browsers, IE is the most hated and less used of the main stream ones. There isn't really a need to add compatibility to it, if most of the people will be using Firefox, and Chrome. Which they already do.

>>50
Plus not sure why, but that is just how it worked out for me. DRRRChat does not work on Chrome for me.

>>50 IE can go die in a hole.

People still use IE. In fact, a LOT of people still use it. It's considered a "major browser" for a reason.

In fact, enough people still use the unupdated versions that IE7 is still considered a major browser by web designers and is taken into consideration by any designer with half a brain.

Making a chatsite that can't even be entered by IE9 users is pathetic. Whether you like the browser or not, plenty of people still use it, and it's not that difficult to make a site compatible with it. 98% of the other websites and chatsites are compatible with the most updated versions of IE. Why? Because the people who made them understand that there are still fucktons of people who use IE even though it's stereotyped as being shitty.

Why are you so stubborn about making it so your chat can't be accessed by Internet Explorer users?

>>54

Because I personally loathe it, and don't won't to go through the trouble of making a crap browser compatible with the chat. I hardly get anyone on there that uses IE, only you. That or you're the only person it fucks up on that gives a shit about that browser.

Plus it's not so simple, unless you took courses in computer programming that isn't just the little crap course most high schools offer, then you really don't understand it. You can't just 'change a few lines of code' and TELL it to work.

We'd have to test each part of the script to see what is making it fuck up, and there is a SHIT ton of scripting to go through.

Now it may help us in the long run, it's just not worth the trouble. Rather than do that, we can simply tell them to switch browsers, or re-install their IE browser, or upgrade/downgrade, whatever they feel most comfortable doing. But it's too much trouble making it work with the chat.

>>54
Also Stereotypes come from some partial bit of truth.

Granted,who doesn't have a browser other than IE now a days? I just updated my adobe, and it downloaded Google Chrome on my computer with it. I guess there are some people who don't understand the fuck ups that IE has and that they could improve their internet speed with FF or Chrome.

I think you'd just lessen the chances of your chat being used or linked on the site if it doesn't support IE. Because, believe it or not, there's a wide range of IE users on this site. As much as you loath IE, that does not mean everyone loaths it.

>>57
I've already explained, legit-like, why I won't be making it compatible with IE. The pros do not outweigh the cons.

Too much scripting to test, just to make 1 browser work for it, when there are a shit ton of mainstream and underground browsers worth using.