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Why do people treat others painfully b/c of their religion/beliefs? (22)

1 Name: ... : 2015-01-26 20:10 ID:8KTWse+z [Del]

Why do people treat other humans inhumanely because of their religion or beliefs?

- Nazis killing the Jews
- Christians oppressing Lutherans during the early European period
- Killings and Crimes of Homosexuals/Transexuals
- Discrimination and Crimes towards Muslims

I don't understand why? For religion. I understand that these people don't fully represent their religion or beliefs; but why? Why these extremest I don't understand?

Being transgender, I'm afraid. I have never been opposed of being it yet but I'm scared one day that it's all gonna fall.

I wished there will be a day where we can tell this truth in a matter that is normal or that we can bring up these topics of LGBT relations as a small one that requires no concern or surprise like this...

DURARARA VOL 5 Chapter 1

“Not that I haven’t heard people say ‘I love you’ to me…but I don’t even know if they counted as women or not.”

“Hmm? Have you been going to gay bars or transsexual clubs?”

“No, that’s not what I meant…I mean, they hardly counted as humans to begin with……more like sharp objects……”

“Sorry, but I really have no idea what you’re talking about.”

2 Name: Magnolia : 2015-01-26 20:29 ID:dtS2jR3d [Del]

*Deep Sigh*...

Atheism isn't a religion. To say it is is like saying there is no such thing as being non-religious. I just had a huge debate like this with who I now realize was probably Chrome.

Now, with that said and done stop insinuating that religious people kill for their beliefs.

PEOPLE. KILL. FOR. THEIR. BELIEFS.

The Oklahoma Bomber killed people because of a conspiracy he believed in.
Atheist Nazi Leader Joseph Stalin killed and tortured people of religion (amongst many others) and enforced atheist teaching schools because of his beliefs in the Nazi party and God not existing.
Chairman Mao led an estimated 80 million people to their deaths by starvation because... Well, there were so many factors, but to sum it all up, he was a self-centered idiot.

3 Name: Slacker !IUZzEys2W6 : 2015-01-26 20:39 ID:bcd4WBvS [Del]

I think this is pretty biased and hypocritical... it's sirt of attacking people BECAUSE they have a religion. I'm not religious at all, but I don't believe in many things\do believe in other things and qill never let people tell me I'm wrong. It isn't religion, it's the person. I mean, I would never go out of my way to hurt people, I just love a good argument. Some people, though, love to see others cry. Some want to believe they made a good point. It hardly involves religion.

4 Name: ... : 2015-01-26 20:43 ID:8KTWse+z [Del]

That's what I said, I said religion *and beliefs. I don't mean any disrespects towards other peoples religions or beliefs because those extremist don't truly reflect the person's religion/belief are by killing people.

I'm trying to say that I don't understand why people kill for their beliefs?

5 Name: BarabiSama !lmBitchbiw : 2015-01-26 20:45 ID:H01/NOKh [Del]

>>2 OP didn't say anything about atheism.

And either way, that's not what they're asking. Of course people kill people for their beliefs. It's more of a question of what part of religious beliefs cause people to use it as their reason to kill and how.

For example, the Oklahoma City bomber didn't just kill because he was a conspiracy theorist - it was because the conspiracies he believed in lead him to think he needed to take revenge. The affect a belief has on a person really depends on the topic, which is why OP specified religion.

>>1 With religion, most of these circumstances seem to occur because their beliefs lead them to think the world would be a better place that way. By oppressing and removing the sinners or unchosen, they can more easily lead their brothers and sisters to have better lives and afterlives. It's a way of working towards the greater good. However, religion in itself is usually about being virtuous each day with the little things instead, which is why many other religious people get frustrated when this approach is talked about like it's normal.

There are exceptions, of course, like the Crusades. The Crusades were supposed to create a better world by re-gaining access to their holy lands, but undoubtedly, a large factor of that was revenge for Jerusalem having been taken from them.

6 Name: BarabiSama !lmBitchbiw : 2015-01-26 20:46 ID:H01/NOKh [Del]

>>4 >>5 Pardon the misunderstanding, then, but I think the post is still insightful, so I'll leave it.

7 Name: ... : 2015-01-26 20:51 ID:8KTWse+z [Del]

*By the way, when I mean truths, I mostly mean about LGBT topics to bring up.

I don't mean truths as in bring up the topic of oppression about religion/beliefs all the time, that would be kinds of depressing

8 Name: Magnolia : 2015-01-26 21:01 ID:dtS2jR3d [Del]

>>5

>> OP didn't say anything about atheism
OP mentioned Nazis killing the Jews which is why I brought up Stalin.

If I misunderstood something I'll delete the comment and give a more on topic response. But for right now, I'm so tired I can barely think straight (it's probably why I made a mistake).

9 Name: Calvary : 2015-01-26 21:24 ID:ZmqMpXTl [Del]

>>8 Stalin wasn't a Nazi......

10 Name: BarabiSama !lmBitchbiw : 2015-01-26 21:26 ID:H01/NOKh [Del]

>>7 Sorry, but LGBT is just one small part of oppression, and the reasoning for it still follows everything else.

>>8 Nazism was religiously inclined. Hitler was actively against atheism and the separation of schools/religion, etc.

11 Name: BarabiSama !lmBitchbiw : 2015-01-26 21:29 ID:H01/NOKh [Del]

>>10 That said, Hitler himself may have been atheist outside of his politics.* He was skeptical at least.

12 Name: Magnolia : 2015-01-26 21:37 ID:dtS2jR3d [Del]

Ah. Stand corrected. I shouldn't have mentioned the Nazi regime, but should have said the Stalinist Regime was lead by atheist Joseph Stalin who is debated by historians whether his leadership resulted in more death's than Hitler's.
Understood now.

13 Name: Rishe : 2015-01-26 22:43 ID:JJiCg4Qo [Del]

I don't know much, but I think it has to do with how people are social creatures, and they sort of group up together. When there is someone irregular, it kind of interferes and when this group that everyone has lived with for so long states an opinion, they might just follow, unsure what's really right for this society. The most influential or the leaders can be very persuasive.

I find that it's kind of sad though. I used to think a majority of us were open-minded, but as I grew older I felt like that changed. Maybe it's due to fears.

14 Name: Aggie-tan : 2015-01-27 21:02 ID:/B2UxbY6 [Del]

Either
A) People with an IQ less than 90 just believe whatever people tell them or
B) The idea that boy + boy or girl + girl = love WITHOUT a baby is just forgein to people. They don't know how to react to it. Or
C) Religion. Apparently the Bible condems homo's and anything "not normal and straight".

All in all a lot of people are idiotic, self-centered assholes who deserved to be bitch slapped. By a train. Over a cliff. Into a mine field. Before they can pass their idiot genes into the gene pool.

15 Name: Tree : 2015-02-05 14:21 ID:YdiCgiGJ [Del]

I'm a religous dude, like >>14 said in C) The Bible condemns Homo's and so on, But from a religous point of view the bible says to to love your neighbor and enemies. I do not support some things in this world because of my beliefs, but because of the belief that god gave everyone freewill i have to respect that not everyone thinks alike and decides the same way. Since i respect the golden rule to treat others how you want to be treated, in reality that means i want to show respect. I'll say this instead in different context... Just because you like doing something does not mean i'm going to do it too. It's your life not mine, your decisions not mine. in no way do i want to disrespect your way of life so in no way i would want mine disrespected...
Anyways theres the LGBT topic you asked for in >>7 i also agree with what was stated by >>5 and >>10... Personally if i ever meet LGBT People i don't treat them by their label, but sometimes i do feel like i'm in an awkward position if they were to ask me about my beliefs in this matter, but here i remain anonymous so here you go.

16 Name: Heartbeatknight : 2015-04-05 13:12 ID:hHqF04ff [Del]

^

17 Name: Ignight : 2015-04-05 13:33 ID:GwggKDhD [Del]

Becouse 'dark' people are easier to manupulate

18 Name: Heartbeatknight : 2015-04-05 19:16 ID:hHqF04ff [Del]

>>17 Go on.

19 Name: Magnolia!2ipznOcc5g : 2015-04-06 04:37 ID:S7FdYHKn [Del]

>>18 lol

20 Name: 5 : 2015-04-06 09:02 ID:lCreeVjH [Del]

I don't think you were too far off, Magnolia. Stalin wasn't a part of the Nazi Party, for he had the ideals of Nazism. Nazi means "National Socialism" and Stalin worked towards that goal.

In any case, for the OP, many people who do such things believe they are helping the world, even if they aren't. Though I agree with Slacker and think this is attacking beliefs.

As for "Christians oppressing Lutherans during the early European period," there is a religion called Christianity that did no such thing. There is often confusion between the broad view of Christianity, which has been used as a broad view of "any religion with Jesus" but Christianity also refers to a specific religion. These two meanings cause confusion, with the most prominent example being the Crusades (Catholic, not Christian). It is there I find offense, please specify in the future.

21 Name: DarkFlameMaster : 2015-04-06 18:18 ID:/4Iu4HtG [Del]

The Nazi party in WWII were, for a vast majority, Christian. They used the Jews, which in history have been multiple scapegoats, non-Christian, disabled, handicapped, blacks, and basically everyone who didn't fit the Nazi criteria. Hitler promoted the idea of a "pure nation", and eradicated 6 million humans from the earth. He did this all because of a sense that White German Christians were the dominant species.

Stalin on the other hand... He was straight fucked up. He killed 20 million of his own Russian people, just because he feared of spies and shit. You know how many Russians Hitler defeated? About 20 million. Stalin straight up says, "Sure, I'll go to war with you. In fact, here's a head start. I bet you can't top my high score, bitch." The only reason we hear so much about Hitler is because we were allied with Russia in WWI, and it kinda looks bad on us now.

I forgot where I was going with this, but here's a history lesson over WWII and shit.

22 Name: HeartbeatKnight : 2015-04-06 18:29 ID:8NAaSS9z [Del]

>>19. Family guy?