I'm making this thread to hopefully replace this one. The biggest difference is that this one will actually be a "Topic of Discussion."

Here we go.
1) Do you support Anonymous?
2) Do you think The Dollars should support Anonymous?
3) What are the similarities and differences between us and Anonymous?
4) Are you part of Anonymous?

The idea behind this thread is to get us thinking about what Anonymous does, if we're like them, and if they're good or bad. We all know that Anonymous is working for the good, but are they achieving it? Are they really what they make themselves out to be? Please, if you post here I want a well thought out response. I don't want you guys to only tell us about the hacking they did. I want an actual opinion of what you think of them, and why you say that.

My opinion? I think they're overdramatizing every situation, but they mean good. I think they're acting like something bad will happen now if they're message doesn't get through to people, but they bring up good points. Even though they are being overdramatic, them acting now can and will prevent issues in the future. What they're fighting may not hurt us now, but give people an opportunity to abuse their powers, not just the goverment, and they're fighting to prevent that. Even though what they're fighting hasn't hurt us yet, doesn't mean that it won't. I can't tell you how many times something started out good, but then was twisted for evil and power abuse just because the chance was given.

I am not part of them and never will be, but I personally won't fight them. What they're doing will protect our futures, and I'm not one to fight that even if they're scaring many people with their conspiracy theories, because what they're saying could come true.

I support the Anonymous, we may not be like them, well, maybe some of us are. They are making an impact on today's society, but yeah, no great power cannot be corrupted. They do mean good, especially with their message going around the internet, many people support them all around the world. This isn't just like Dollars, this is a worldwide scale .

Oh yeah, I'm going to make connections or an internet group of students from different universities here on the Philippines, to report or to say one's opinions about the things that happen from a student's background . . . I will start to contact with people who may want to like my idea during an event this saturday where students of 20 universities will gather . .

high up!
>> 2, I second your motion!

I don't know anything about them i don't care if thay are good ro bad. We are living in the last days Jesus is coming back soon! SO WHY DON'T YOU WORRY ABOUT WHERE YOUR GOING INSTEAD OF WORRYING ABOUT STUPID SHIT!

Uh well I am part of Anonymous..can't say more but honestly we don't really mean harm at all....just want to be heard...you guys know what that feels like, right?

yeah,I know, I used to be in the same biz as Anon, but not exactly in anon . .

>>6
Pics or it didn't happen.

>>7
It's almost ridiculous how easy it is these days to "hack" a site, or even a person. A simple google search is all these people need in order to learn how. Only thing stopping most people is the fact that IT'S ILLEGAL.

Now, back to the actual topic:

1) Depends on what they're doing. It's not always a cohesive group, so some idiots do unbelievably stupid things at times. (Totally not hinting at raid on Japan and failing, cough cough)

2) Not really. First off, they don't need it. Second, I fail to see how supporting them will make much of a difference, if any.

3) Well for starters, we don't shut down websites. Both groups are trying to make the world a better place, but are striving for a better world FROM THEIR VIEW. This is what ALL groups try to do.
Honestly, have you ever heard a group's main ideology to be, "let's make the world a worse place!" No. What one person may see as making the world a better place may be viewed as "evil" from another standpoint.
Classic example- Nazi Germany. They sought out to exterminate Jews, and from THEIR point of view, they were helping everyone. In response to them "trying to make a better world," they were punished severely.
Nowadays the only thing required to be morally "right" is to have popular opinion on your side. (Note: I do not support in any way the extermination of any people, especially based solely on something such as ideology, religion, race, ext.)

4) No. And I severely doubt anyone actually in Anonymous would be so eager to reveal that they are either.

//end rant

I don't like generalizing the people who belong to Anonymous. I mean, it's an anonymous mass of people, there are certainly a lot of conflicting opinions within them. However, I think the main thoughts in Anonymous have good intentions. My main concern is about their methods of letting themselves be heard: through their hacking activities and protests, the people's opinions on them are being split into those who think they are good and those who think they are evil. They should take care, or soon they may be labelled as an evil organization by the people, or, more problematic, by the authorities. They won't have much success getting their message across if the people doesn't trust them.

>>3 That has notihng to do with this topic of discussoin. Please don't derail my thread.

>>5 Just because you believe in God, doesn't mean everyone has to. Please don't try to push your beliefs on other people. In case you haven't noticed, that's why people hate Christians. It because of judgmental peopl like you that so many people won't convert to Christianity. Please don't derail my thread. If people see this as important, then let them. It doesn't mean they aren't worrying about "where they're going" as you put it.

>>10
Not all Christians are like that, for 1 I am and I respect and appreciate other religions.
>>1
I do support them but they have nothing in common with the Dollars besides being invisible

I do support Anonymous. I think that in general it is a group of people fighting for what they think is right, and what they believe will help people if won. I'm a bit on edge if the Dollars should support them however, seeing as it's not exactly our area to get involved in. I think that as long as we don't go against them, that's all the support from us they will need. As for the similarities between us, I think there are many. We are two completely different groups, however we have the same reasons for forming. Anonymous found a problem in the world they were passionate about changing, realized they had the skill sets to do so, and ended up making a difference. I think the Dollars are relatively the same. After the confirmation that were not a fansite, people began wanting to bring the Dollars to life, and make a difference in someone's life as the group had in the anime. I believe that we are very similar, Anonymous striving to protect the world against censorship, while the Dollars are here to help the world see that it's not as bad as everyone thinks. :P I like to think that we have both achieved those goals. That's what unites Anonymous and us, that we both fight for something that will make the world a better place. :) Oh, and no, I'm not a member.

I'll just copy a post I made earlier, as we somehow got to talking about Anonymous over there, too.

Due to the very nature of their group any hacker or troll could simply say they are Anonymous and who could say that they aren't? That's the problem with a group with no leader, no organization, and no clear rules. It's just a bunch of random people, some creepy manifestos, sayings, and internet videos.
At least we here have some semblence of structure, and while we have no rules per say, except for rules about posting on the site, we do have a general sense of 'The Dollars are for good'. Anonymous doesn't have that. You protest dictators, you're in Anonymous, you hack innocent bystanders, you're in Anonyomous. No structure. While the group does seem to be good overall, I have heard lots about members being cruel to people. The problem is, how do we know which is the real Anonymous: the malicious hackers or the crusaders for justice?

Oh yeah I definetly support Anonymous and I recommend the rest of the Dollars should too. To join Anonymous, you just say you are. No password locked websites or nothing. Because Anonymous fights for your internet freedom!

I've watched video's of people that claim to be Anonymous. Never thought I'd ever feel like i was in a real life version of saw. Trying to get the word out is good, but are we some creepy organization that needs masks and voice synthesizers to get out message out?

When I was researching the Dollars I found nothing but positive things. From what I've seen, Anonymous behaves like a terrorist organization. Are we different? Our goals, maybe not, but the way we achieve them is like night and day. I don't think the Dollars should support them, or whats going to happen to us? Is our vision going to stray from people wanting to help to just another street gang?

1) Do you support Anonymous?

Yes. Yes I do. I like the way they do things.

2) Do you think The Dollars should support Anonymous?

Not really. I mean, I think that it would be cool if we did, but that's up to all of us whether we support them or not. We do seem to have similar goals, and what-not, but that doesn't mean we have to work together.

3) What are the similarities and differences between us and Anonymous?

The way I see it, we tend to have a more cloe-knit (and much smaller) community, and our means of changing the world are peaceful. Anonymous, however, takes more radical approaches, such as hacking, protesting, and threatening (which is one of the reason I like these guys. They don't mess around.) Anonymous is also more well known, obviously.

4) Are you part of Anonymous? I would say so. I definately support them. I've also spread word of them to my friends, and explain their goals. Even if I'm not vry good with computers, I try to help any way I can.

Anonymous is a group going to do right things but going to far with it, yes they have good intentions and yes like us they are colorless, but the way they go about doing that good is wrong. I'm not saying that they should be removed because they are a vital essence for what we too aim for. As for whether we should support them, i believe we should not involve ourselves with them, we all need rebels like them but if they are ever brought down we should not have to fall with them. I personally am not part of anonymous but i do respect how they stand up for what they think is right.

When I was watching Durarara!! and the Dollars would come up it always reminded me of Anonymous. Ofcourse, we Dollars are more pacifist in comparison with Anon, but stil there are many similarities.

1) We're colorless and anyone can enter our group.
2) We want to change the world.
3) Because all of us are anonymous and there is not a real leader, there are many groups who have their own goals, while being part of the greater group.
e.g.:like in the anime, if anyone can join, you don't know every member, so every member can act out of it's own goals, without saying something about the morals of the entire group (like the Slasher/Dollars misunderstanding)

However, there are indeed a lot of differences.

1) The Dollars are less anonymous, we won't really hide the fact that we are part of the Dollars and we can relatively easy contact other members.
2) We, Dollars, are more pacifist and want to be on the same line with eachother.
3) We love the connections we make. Being part of the Dollars mean you can always count on other members when you or some you know are in trouble. This is not always the case with Anon, although, they will ofcourse stand up for eachother.

I am part of the Dollars and Anonymous, and agree with the way of doing things of both groups. However, I think it's better if the Dollars don't support Anonymous. I'm not saying we should denounce their doings, but we just have to let them do what they're doing. Their goals are great. Still I'm of opinion that if you want to support Anon you should do it yourself. The Dollars is another group, with other ways of doing things. Therefore I think it's better if these two groups don't interfere with eachother.

ome and hang out at http://drrrchat.com/room/ fma rp is the room

>>16 Yeah Anonymous creeps me out, too.

bump

1. Do you support Anonymous?

No, not really. The parts of the group that actively participate in the things the group is known for seem to kind of be opportunistic, and I feel that they are an alarmist group who intentionally uses scare tactics, and that feels justified in doing so. In a way, they're like Fox News, but in a different section of the political spectrum. From my personal point of view, people need to be educated on issues, not scared into getting in line with a certain set of ideals.


2. Do you think the Dollars should support anonymous?

No. That'd be silly. That'd be taking up a color.


3. What are the similarities and differences between us and Anonymous?

I personally don't think that there are many similarities. We're both primarily unstructured groups, but Anonymous has a color at this point, and I feel like it participates in a kind of aggressive call to arms.


4. Are you a part of Anonymous?

Nah. I imagine that was a bit clear, though? ^^;

Bump.

i agree with >>2 all the way

...Why would you replace a thread that already has 186 posts? :/

I don't think that's how "making a better duplicate" works. Besides, the previous thread /was/ a discussion thread, this thread just has more questions :I
If anything, you probably could've just asked these questions in the previous one.

>>27 It was technically a discussion, but it wasn't very good. Just (basically) saying, "Do you support them?" isn't really the making of a decent discussion, and the OP was also illwritten in general.

1) Do you support Anonymous?
Yes, they are an inspiration; to see common people come together and fight victoriously for what they believe in is beautiful.

2) Do you think The Dollars should support Anonymous?
There maybe a time where the Dollars will have to side with them, but not now.

3) What are the similarities and differences between us and Anonymous?
Anonymous is much more aggressive and well connected then we are. We work towards the good of the world while Anonymous fights for "the free flow of information".

4) Are you part of Anonymous?
Hell no! Im too busy with my job as it is XD

1)yes as a member i share the belief of not just freedom and equality on the net but of in the world we live in. even though other members actions may be unorthadox at times we are fighting the invasion of privacy and censorship as a whole to help the rest of the populus.
2) as allies though im am more a dollar than anything else.but as a united force many can change what few cannot
3)we are both gatherings never seeing our faces and acting as one for a commmon cause whatever it may be,though annomous as said above takes the fight with their own hands
4) as u read above i infact am even though my alligeance is trully with the dollars

we will not forgive
we will not forget
expect us...
that is all :P

i do you support anonymous. i think we should support eachother. we both mean good but we have different aims. i'm not part of anonymous.

1. not really
2. I think it is up to individuals to support them, but it's not fair if we say "the Dollars support them" without everyone agreeing
3. The anonymous is grouped as hacktivists. There are several reports of arrests acording to wikipedia (which could be false) and i don't think it's a good idea to join just yet. We should wait to see. What if they get into more major goverment crisises? It's to risky until we see more of their ambitions and true potential.
4. no

i do like anonymous becuase of the brilliance they posess but the way there doing it needs improvement

1. Yes.
2. I think the support would be separated by the individual. Those who support them and those who do not.
3. I don't see Anonymous and the Dollars as separate entities. We both share the idealism of a lack of identification. There very well could be members of 'Anonymous' within the Dollars just like there could be 'Dollars' inside Anonymous. With no structured hierarchy.
4. No. Only a liar would admit to being apart of their organization.

i didnt lie i downloaded the software and participated in the wallstreat protest :P

1.)NO
2.)no
3.) Anonymous is a liberal group dedicated to bringing down large coperations and 'the 1 percent' were dedicated to 'good deeds' we in no way reflect Anonymous nor do they reflect us
4.) no

I'd also like to say something else I think about Anonymous.

I believe that some people join them just because they think it'd be cool, like some people here. I have no doubt in my mind that people here join just so they can say, "I'm part of an online gang!" I have no doubt that people join Anonymous just to say, "I'm part of a group of hackivists!" I guess when I ask if you're part of them, I mean do you actually take part in what they do or dis you "join" just to say you are part of them?

Seeing that we have the same issue, I do not see the nonactive members that do not put any effort into this group as part of "The Dollars". I see them as outsiders looking in on who we are and what we are doing. I don't believe anyone can be part of a group without being active for that group.

>>36 how are they a liberal group?
yes
no
both groups do things to change the world but in different ways.
no

1. no
2.yes
we are one. expect us. our group remains 1 there us no leader just like this organization. so there is one simialirity and 1 difference anonymous is bigger wee hve been noticed by the world.

4.yes
lolz

>>38 have you talked with any of the members/activists?

The movements based on the redistribution of wealth.


please feel free to disagree with me, but in my opinion they are basically radical leftists. Theyve clashed with police, and in my opinion, it seems like theyre anger is misplaced. Corperations would hand out jobs, if the current administration would become more bussiness friendly (and I do apologize for bringing in politics to this)

it is quite alright ash it's just we anonymous are not political we put in action or else we would just sit on our asses

I think it would be fine.

>>41 thanks for answering my question

1) Do you support Anonymous?

I can't really say, since Anonymous is really about anonymity. They work without being seen. And what is seen are the trolls that 'do it for the lols' and 'hack' because they can. From the viable members (the ones that do 'hack' and troll for fun) I can say that there is nothing worth supporting. The ones that remain hidden and do things for the freedom of information. I could get behind that I suppose.

2) Do you think The Dollars should support Anonymous?

I think that should be left up to individuals if they want to support them. The Dollars is made up of individuals, we;re not a group in the normal sense of the word. If I support Anonymous, and you don't that's fine, as long as our difference don't distract from what we are trying to do in our group.

3) What are the similarities and differences between us and Anonymous?

We're internet based groups that could both be labeled as 'gangs'. We both are trying to (in our minds) trying to make the world a better place, in our own different ways. (thought their way seems to be anarchy reform rather than improvement)

4) Are you part of Anonymous?

I am not. I had intended to join, but a few bad eggs in their group changed my mind (I'd admit that I'm painting them all with a broad brush however)

>> 42 I fundamentally disagree with what Anonymous is doing.....get a job and stop complaining about others having money. No jobs? thats 'cuz the current administration isnt job friendly and has yet to help the stock market, unemployment, and the creation of jobs. Anonymous if you want jobs stop complaining and get a new president

1) Do you support Anonymous?
- I support any action as long as it would benefit humanity.

2) Do you think The Dollars should support Anonymous?
- Remember that we are colorless and at the same time, we are also anonymous.

3) What are the similarities and differences between us and Anonymous?
-Similarity, colorless, no leader, not bound by any restriction, we do what we want and we act what we perceive as virtue.
-Difference, nothing.

4) Are you part of Anonymous?
- We are all anonymous. Do not label anonymous or dollars as some sort of underground organization, I repeat, we are all anonymous. Dollars is dollars, anonymous is anonymous, anonymous is dollars, dollars is anonymous. We are all the same, unknown people gathered in the internet and do their own shitty business.

>>16 i agree they are very creepy and to mutch like terrorists and >>5 go hate somewhere else.

the god i know doesnt hate anyone

>>41 Don't apologize for bringing politics into this. I won't talk about politics, but politics isn't something that you can escape when talking about politics. They are attacking polititians (I know I didn't spell that right) and goverments.

On a side note, I doubt that there's anything that you can talk about without getting politics involved unless it's a light conversation like food or the weather (and even some people get politics and religon involved in that too) so I fully expected someone mentioned it, and I'm glad you did Ash. Politics is certainly a side we need to look at when discussing Anonymous. I just refused to bring it up because it's not really something that I would want to talk about.

I am in anonymous. But only because I believe in 'Vox Populi'...The voice of the people.

>>50 ^-^

I'll be honest, I don't know much about Anonymous, and I don't think I want to. Hypothetically speaking, even if they have bake sales and friendly parties, I look at them the same way I look at any other unknown group; I must stay away from them until needed.

Well first you have to realize what The Dollars truly are, we're an organization, however we have no true leader, no goal, no rules as to being a member. We're sort of, say you're in The Dollars and you are, kind of thing. We're just people conjoined together. So I don't really know what Anonymous is, but it's very possible if they do exist, there are members in us that are among them, however that wouldn't mean The Dollars support them, nor are we their enemy.

>>55 Technically, there are some rules regarding the site. Like, not making duplicate threads and whatnot.

bump because someone made a thread comparing us to Anonymous.

Meh, I kinda like them, I don't think they should do things that effect unrelated people with w/e they're doing. Like when they took PSN down I kinda had a grudge against them for a couple of days, right when i had nothing to do too.

honestly, i like them cause i mean Anonymous is no different than a nickname. we don't know who they are (unless you know them personaly) and we don't know who the people with nicknames are, so what's the difference really? it's just a quicker and easier nickname to me. -Anime

I was searching up something completely unrelated to this video, as usual, and found this. I figured that I'd post it here since it pertains to Anonymous, but I'd like you all to hear what this guy has to say about anonymous organizations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3lCKDoV2pg&feature=relmfu

if we start letting people know how we are personally then we are no differnt then a gang the point is to let people know that there is some one out there who cares about them

Anonymous is a hacktivism-based idea.
I don't think that the Dollars should resort to such means.
I mean we are supposed to be more of a Socio-Civic collective with service as our form of activism.
As someone who believes in the idea of Anonymous (Been to several operations), I believe that there's a significant difference between the Dollars and Anonymous.
Well, we can show our support in other ways but we should try to avoid getting involved in hacktivist stuff or else it'll destroy the reputation of the Dollars with the public labeling us as "Activists". Something that we all do not want.

We, The Dollars, are suppose to act as the world changes. No matter where the world goes, we follow with good intenions. Anonymous on the other hand wants to change the world. We believe the world isn't as bad as most people think and Anonymous, on the other hand, believes the world is in a terrible condition and they want to change how they want it.

>>64 the world does kinda stink right now though, i think the entire pint of our motto, the world isnt as bad as you think, is to show people that we are here for them if they are alone or have a bad life. there's nothing wrong with trying to change the worlds problems, i think its a good thing

>>64>>65

You all are thinking way too hard on that. Where exactly on here do you see us spouting that off on, that isn't already filled to the brim with Fandom?

>>66 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfVi9ZsO6vE&feature=plcp
so yeah. shut up.

>>67 Wowee one video made by one member, that must mean its an accepted thing by the entire group!
I think what thiamor is trying to say is something along the lines of dont think we are some bamf group of people that goes out spreading vigilante justice wherever we can. Most of the "members" are underage and unable to do anything. Though some people may think "wow this is a great idea i totally want to take part in it", most end up not, because it loses the initial thrill of being "part of the dollars". We are a messaging board, just like any other. Just because its design, among other things, was based off of the show doesnt mean we are fandoming people.

>>69 uh did you see how many people were on there?
and i wasnt trying to make it out to be that way i was just saying. some people do do missions btw and i am well aware that this is mostly a messaging board and that its nothing like the anime. just putting that out there but there are some people that really are happy to be apart of this. so yeah, whatever im not trying to argue or anything. just saying my opinion

>>69 trust me i am not into the whole doing missions thing, though i think its cool, im just saying, if there's something you dont like, change it. thats all. and that goes for everyone not just dollars.

>>70>>71 I wasnt really trying to say you were, was more just trying to explain why thiamor said what he did. Probably couldve done a better job at it... but oh well

>>67

Le me redirect you to this part of my post.

>> "That isn't already filled to the brim with Fandom?"
There may be a few out of that group not hardcore fans, but a lot of those people who participated in it, or even tried, was there just for the fandom. Don't believe me? Lurk more.

There might be a lot of people on here who like to do missions, and a lot who don't. Then there is the fandom. The type to spew "The world isn't as bad as you think" on everything that they do, and try to make us out to be some group from an anime, that we'll never be. The type to try to role play on here. The type to try to "be known", and the type that is just here because of the anime and only contribute when it's anything related to something they might have seen on that anime.

The thread seemed like it was veering off the main topic... SO!
1.) No, I don't support Anonymous.
2.) I don't really think the Dollars should support them. Even if we did support them, we wouldn't really be able to do anything.
3.) What >>8 said.
4.) No, I am not a part of Anonymous, and I don't think people from the group would actually announce themselves a part of it...
And... isn't the whole Anonymous thing kinda old now? I don't hear many people talking about it anymore so, I don't really know what's happening with Anonymous and the rest of the group. :/

1. i dont quite support them
2.no we might get involved in something bad or worse but we can still support them when its good and beneficial but i dont quite want the against government thing... even though its for a good cause in a safe way ill help them.
3.we do normal ok spreading dollars helping people in a secretive way i think and anonymous wow incredible tons of achievements but some are against governments i think but still has a good goal i guess
4.everyone is part of anonymous if they want to be if what they are thinking of what the government is doing is what were thinking then were anonymous

I understand their ideology, but don't support them. They want to bring justice, but they use wrong ways. What they end up doing is vandalism and crime.

1. i am not sure, i mean i support them giving out the truth of lies, and such, but i may not approve of somethings,
2. well it depends on alot of things really, but i don't really see it happening, i mean they are a group that fights againest different forms of stuff and government. but all and all i think yeah it would be interesting. as long as the dollars don't do stuff that gets each member like hunted down for government closed doors (usally members of anonymous are arrested for hacking into the goverment and unleashing truth above its own crimes)

i think there almost exactly like us. Anon is not a group of organized people. they have no color, and are united under no single ideal. If you want to be apart of Anon, just say your in and your in, just like the dollars. Just because they lead more toward doing things that are good, and opposing the injustice of the world, like us. Just like they say, there just a large number of people walking the same path. Can we say were not the same?

Ther elike Hacker dollars. In fact, id bet a few of them are dollars.

I disagree with Efini17. They are united under an ideal and have a symbol. They have a hierarchy, and the most important thing: they want to be known. I'm not saying Dollars are trying to hide themselves, but they do nothing to be known worldwide, nor try to put their name in history.

>>79 We're getting to be known, but slowly. Hell, we even managed to get ourselves in a Chilean magazine. Just because we aren't known where you reside at, doesn't mean we aren't known anywhere else. Think globally, people.

It's not the objective of the Dollars to be known. We get to be known because of their actions, not because we want to.

I'm just going to sit back and wait....

1) Do you support Anonymous?

Frankly, i dont believe i know enough about it to really decide. I only found out about their existance when i saw this thread, though from what i have learned, i dont think anyone can say they support the entire group. This is because, since they are anonymous and anyone can join, there are bound to be both good and bad people. Some people probably do intend to make a better world, but i have no doubt that some members intend to use their name to further their own agendas and gain more power/strike fear in any that cross their path, much like what happened in the DRRR anime and novels.

2) Do you think The Dollars should support Anonymous?

It's an individual decision, but anyone who joins/supports them has to be aware that if they get too involved and Anon gets into trouble with international and national authorities, be prepared for the consequences. But no one can speak for the whole Dollars group.

3) What are the similarities and differences between us and Anonymous?

Both groups are anonymous/invisible and share similar ideals, although Anonymous seems more...aggressive in achieving those ideals while Dollars is rather passive. Neither have a structured organization, but the Dollars has sites to join together, though i can bet that Anonymous does as well, but arent as forthcoming in their website information (Forgive me if im wrong, i havent really throughly researched the group).

4) Are you part of Anonymous?

No, but if i was do you really think i'd tell people i was~? >;P XD

>>73 ahh i see what you mean now.. i think my initial comment came out the wrong way, cause i didnt mean for it to sound like it did so my bad lol

There is no anonymous group. Everyone on the internet without a handle is anonymous. Anonymous is the bag boy at your grocery store. Anonymous is the bus drive who takes you to school. Anonymous is the quiet man in the corner. The ones who are going around shouting they are anonymous and wearing stupid costumes, those guys are not anonymous, they're opportunists; Crackers who like to use what essentially is an identity-less group and use them for cover while perpetrating criminal acts. I do agree with some of the things they've brought to light. Their methods and the tone they use I do not agree with. And that's my two cents. Its been awhile since I've been to the dollars site and I've got to say this, supporting opportunists is not a good thing to do. But don't turn a blind eye and ear to the things the people of the net are saying. Those people are your neighbors and friend, even family. You never know, that's why anonymous works.

Anonymity is a power. Anonymous uses it for political pull and fear. The Dollars use it for unity and regulation. We all draw water from the same well.

bumping this because there's not actual "Topic of Discussion" up here and all of the good ones are under 50 saged shits.

It looks like the world just might end in 2012. Anonymous has a new plan.

http://anonnews.org/press/item/1768/

What do you guys think of it?

Bump

Bump

>>89

That's how Anonymous and The Dollars are different.

Whos Anonymous (sry I'm a newbee here ^_^)

"Anonymous is not a person, nor is it a group, movement or cause: Anonymous is a collective of people with too much time on their hands, a commune of human thought and useless imagery. A gathering of sheep and fools, assholes and trolls, and normal everyday netizens. An anonymous collective, left to its own devices, quickly builds its own society out of rage and hate. Anonymous can be anyone from well-meaning college kids with highly idiosyncratic senses of humor trying to save people from Scientology, to devious nihilist hackers, to clever nerds, to thirteen year old boys who speak entirely in in-jokes on an endless quest for porn, to 16 year old girls posting pictures of their B-cups because they think they look good, to potential rapists browsing through MySpace to find some 16 year old girls posting pictures of their B-cups because they think they look good. Furries are not included among the ranks of Anonymous due to their supreme faggotry. For this same reason all furfags are destroyed within .666 seconds of facing the power of Anonymous.

Anonymous is not so much unlike other web communities, it has in-jokes, culture, extended debates, etc, just like everyone else. Well, anyone stupid enough to join a web community. The difference, and the reason they visit other communities is that Anonymous have a need to be harassed by "nannying" moderators. They hate being denied late night sleepovers." - Encyclopedia Dramatica

1.) Support Anonymous? Eh. Maybe I do. Maybe I don't. It just depends.

2.) I think the Dollars and Anonymous are pretty much the same, even if no one else thinks that.

3.) Well, think about it.

4.) Pffft.

>>89 We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not fuck with us.

Excellent stuff, but I doubt anything will come of it.

/fingerscrossedthough

Anonymous is very different than us. In a way, they are not "colorless" - they are "formless" Anonymous is... 'the voice of the internet' in a way, and most importantly - they are doing things fort the lolz.

Because They are not one group, they have no missions like we do. The Dollars do thing for a good cause. no one goes "W00t!!!" for donating blood - but still it's something we talk about. the difference is that Anonymous have a lot of power but they don't aim it at all. We have less power, but we have the ability to use it much much better.

>>96 The Dollars is just one group?
Cells in Anonymous don't have small missions like we do?
Isn't colorless and formless, in this context, mean about the same thing?
No Dollars do things for the lulz?
No Anonymous members do things for a greater good?

Hmmm, since you put it that way, I guess we are not at all the same thing.

Also, neither the Dollars or Anonymous are the super hero groups that people would like to think they are. The real Dollars and the real Anonymous falls into what was said in >>94

At least that's the way it is in my eyes.

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The dollars are more like one group than Anonymous are. Anonymous are *everyone* that is the point. technically we are all already members of Anonymous only because we are on the internet and part of fandom. that is what I meant in "formless". The dollars has a form - not anyone if a member of the dollars , but anyone may be.

There are no cells in Anonymous.
the dollars don't only things for lulz, and have different kind of missions.

I don't think Anonymous or The Dollars are super hero groups, but I do think we should at least try to do our best.
This community was inspired by a great Idea. I think groups of people have power, and like The Dollars in Drrr we can do some good things with it.
>>97

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Interesting. Since I've been browsing the Anonymous site the other day, out of extreme boredom, I have developed a new, and more informed, idea of Anonymous.

The Dollars is essentially a group based off of DRRR. That is probably all Reltair meant it to be, though I haven't asked him. It then formed into a site where people aimed to help the community and make it better. It's now basically a site where people try to improve the community with the idea in mind that every little bit helps. We rarely have missions that are in need of a lot of work and effort. Mixed in with these people, we also have two other types of people. We also have fanfags and people who use this site to find people t talk to and bounce ideas off of each other. Basically, this is a site for whatever you want to do with it. It has missions, places to bounce ideas off of each other, news, and many other things that someone could come here for.

Anonymous was originally a group based off of a movie, if my memory serves me correctly. It essentially is a group with the idea in mind that if they work together, they can do big things. They also take a more active approach and use their knowledge of computers as a form of power. It all started as good, but power gone unchecked can have disastrous results. There is no competition or system of checks and balances when it comes to Anonymous. Because of that, they have become the biggest and baddest person out there and the power has gone to their head. They have recently went to making stupid decisions in hopes of "improving" the world without thinking of the consequences of their actions. Consequently, the definite costs often outweigh the possible benefit and this could lead to many bad outcomes, that could definitely cause an end to the world or mass hysteria. In short, they are a power hungry group who are unable to take a step back to look at all of the possible outcomes of their actions.

I believe the anons are doing good. In retrospective its like there punks(the movement not the insult) who do the fighting and were the hippies(tree huggers) who try to accomplish the same goal with positive acts instead of punishing the wicked. All in all I say they should keep at it just as we should. The hippies changed how things were becuz they wouldnt stop and workd for wut they want and we should do the same. Collectively we can make a big diffrence and start a movement that our grandchildren will watch documentaries about so to speak.

>>37 i do see where you're getting at, and while i do agree with you (on the part of joining for the sake of joining a group), i don't totally agree with you. how would you put in -enough effort-? but then agains, we're all entitled to our own opinions, you and me included. so we'll leave it at that.

1) i do agree with their ideals, but these days, the way things are being handled seems..more crude. i'll agree that somethings deserve justice, to which i support, but, things could have been handled more, professionally (though they are professionals, make no mistake) . i highly disagree with dishing out justice for the lols. it seems.. a tad bit inappropriate considering the serious actions they take, as well as the consequences that follow. If these action can be justified by only that..i'll have to change my standings. for now, though, i'll have to remain neutral. not going against them is enough support as someone stated.

2) both groups are made up of individuals. do we support Anonymous as a whole or the individuals who've made their ideals public? it'll depend on the rest of the community. majority wins in this case, but i'll stick to neutrality for now.

3) we'd have to ask the founders of both groups, wouldn't we? there's not much information, besides the things both groups do - to which no one has an exact record of, there's not much to compare. for example, anyone can cause havoc anywhere - if said person were to cause pointless havoc in the name of Dollars or Anonymous, both groups would be labelled by society as terrorist organizations immediately, and there would really be no way to tell if the groups really were bad as a whole, or if it was caused by individuals connected to the group, as both groups are made of anonymous users. As such, once they've claimed they belong to the group, who can say if they really did belong to the group? there's a really thin line in differences. To date, as far as the general public is aware of, Anonymous is known for what their individuals do because of the things said individuals do. Similarly, the same rule applies to us.

4) no. though we're all anonymous, as stated before. soz for the rants.

I am not a part of anonymous, I understand where they are coming from... They are trying to make a point. However, I can't say that I agree with their methods... I guess it depends on the person. Whether you care more about the result or HOW they reached that result. I don't think they are a definite good or bad... Anyways, those are just my thoughts..

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1) Not really, they don't do the things I expect them to do
2)The Dollars should stay as its own entity. It does not support anything. The Dollars just exists.
3)Some similarities but if we are talking about the hacking group, none.
4)If we are talking about the mass of grey matter in 4chan, yes.

Honestly, I want nothing to do with the Anonymous.

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Okay, I'm bumping up topics of discussions now. I'm sick of all of these "bump" threads. Let's discuss shit.

>>100 How are the Dollars only one group?
I had friends in Denver who had never been to the BBS, or any other Dollars websites, and still called themselves Dollars.
They did things as they saw fit, which broke them away from the "core" group.

There are cells within Anonymous.
lulzsec, betachompers, anonymouse, were all considered "Anonymous" and none of them saw eye to eye. Isn't that a cell?

The Dollars have missions that aren't posted on the site.
There are some of us who do things simply for lulz.
There are malicious people in the Dollars that do the exact same missions that Anonymous does.

Not every member of anonymous takes part in the "missions" and not all of them agree with each other.

The same can be said about the Dollars.

If you read between the lines, we are both pretty similar.

A. An internet community breaking past things like race, religion, creed, social status, blah blah blah.

B. No rules to join or be a part of. You decide your own level of involvment.

C. Chaotic Neutral at best.

>>112 That's pretty much the disadvantage of a leaderless, orderless, systemless, casteless organization...They might have the same goal but everyone have their own preferred way to achieved said goal...This is just like the Dollars...

Aren't the two groups fundamentally different? Anonymous strives to gain the attention of others, while one of the founding principles of the Dollars is to remain invisible.

>>114 Invisible means not knowing who the other person is. That's being anonymous. Durr. If you're referring to the group being not known, you're 2+ years too late, what with this being a public site, it's in the anime, meaning all anime watchers know it, and we were in a chilean magazine, meaning the South Americans who read that magazine knows about us, which I can assume is a lot.

>>115 What he probably meant was that Anonymous seeks recognition while Dollars don't...

>>116 Yeah, that's what I meant.

I agree with certain aspects of Anon. however, i also have huge problems with them. They fight for a just cause, but over all are an extremist group, and generally go about fight for their causes in ways that hurt the people more than help them.
Now, do i think we should support them, well i'll agree with most of the people so far, i think it's up to the individual, however, the only part about that that scares me is the simple fact that any single person could piss Anon. off, and having any part of Anon pissed at the Dollars could spell the end for us.

anonymous is not a cohesive group. they are divided into numerous factions, and independent persons with private agendas. in short, they are , like us a loose affiliation of persons under a common label, retaining their own motivations.

it would be nice to believe they were all knights of justice.well guess what... they've proved often enough they aren't. i have no problem with a lot of what they've done. i'm happy some of them are hunting pedophiles, for instance. the problem is that they still bully and threaten everyone else on line who they don't agree with; and often target indiscriminately based on member recommendation. i used to work with a guy who was one. i was NOT impressed by his ethics or worldview. he was a closed minded perv toolbox hacker. typical? probably not... but 2chan and 4chan and their betas are the major anon hangouts.

>>119
You know why it's their hangouts? Because it's where it STARTED. So adding that little information in at the end...is kind of...ignorant. In my opinion.

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I say no, we shouldnt support them, but we should do anything against them.

1)In between, I guess...
2)It's the members decided by themselves because we are the dollars there're no rules...
3)... :s
4)Yes..

>>124 I agreed with Link :)

>>124 Same with Reaper...

I just heard about them, so I may not have any rights to judge. But when you look at Wiki, and see the growing pile of lists of how there becoming more and more active in recent years... It almost seems..too active. I'm kinda concerned that things will spiral out of control.

And please correct me if I'm wrong, but on wiki it sounded like they were for piracy? I don't think that's right..

And what the heck do they have against facebook? It just seems so out of the Dollars laissez-faire style.
We definitely shouldn't get involved.
I'm afraid that our goals and Anonymous' are entirely different. Not to mention our style is more... in real life, you know? we don't hack. We try to help people off the internet as well as on, wouldn't you agree?

>>126

Yeah, Anonymous is basically pro-piracy.

I personally am anti-piracy, but their views make sense. In their opinion, preventing piracy is preventing the free flow and trade of information. How can you claim to own an idea, a thought, a process, or a work of art?

Their views and ideals are the same as us. They wish to do things online without having their persons identified. Normally I'm alright with anonymous, however; typically they tend to take things a bit farther than they should and end up causing great harm to others in the process.

Also, anon has a large influx of newer members who simply join because it gives them the opportunity to cause trouble on an internet level without being traceable. A lot of these people don't care who they hurt with their actions so long as they're having fun. Personally, I feel that is against what we stand for.

>>128's got a good point... Anonymous is a lot like the Dollars in the fact that, I could get together a bunch of friends and, say, rob a store in the name of the Dollars, or spray paint city hall.

As we are anonymous, leaderless, and have no real requirements or proof of affiliation, anyone could claim membership and do anything in our name.

Anonymous probably doesn't want to hack my credit card information... But I bet a number of their 'members' would probably like to!

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Leigha ..

You are beautiful. The very definition of it. Your long hair, your perfectly toned face. Could it really be that you are perfect? I had a dream of us holding hands miles from here, breaking free of this world, loving truly, the span of a moment, pure love unleashed. And As we stare into the bright light of the moon and time passes without remorse, I know that this dream has come true. We slowly go to sleep as each of us holds hands. I wake first the next morning, noticing your head on my left shoulder and how your smooth, long hair flows like a river over my arm. You sleep so fair, so quiet. With every breath you take I notice more and more that yes, you are the one. I caress the locks of your hair ever so gently. Smooth like silk. You suddenly awake, and smile to see that I am the first thing you see. We talk about things that don't matter, but I really could care less. You are the best I will ever have and I think, no, I KNOW that I am the luckiest man in the world. Oh Takara, a maiden so fair. Your imperfections are perfect. Your voice is melodic, like that of an angel. Your beautiful eyes ever so entrancing, your skin as smooth as that of a newborn's. We are trapped on this island, but neither of us could really care. We are happy, and that is all that really matters. As I stare out into the ocean waves, I imagine our future. Bright, like the sun. We are the perfect couple, and both of us know it. We love each-other unconditionally, and our love is everlasting like the very universe we inhabit. We are never sad, always happy. We never argue, only love. You wish to bear children, but I cannot bring myself to think of polluting something that is so innocent. This does not stop me however, of thinking of how those beautiful beings would be. Three boys, all with the eyes of their mother and the nose of their father. They would be mischievous but we would love them all equally and unconditionally. I would teach them how to fish, and hunt, you would teach them how to love. We would name them; John, Isaac, and Thomas, and they would all grow to be strong and intelligent. As you and I grew older Leigha, our love would never wane. It would be as strong if not stronger than the day we both met. With every kiss, every embrace, our love would grow one hundred times stronger than before, and it would further strengthen our already unbreakable bond. I sometimes ask myself if such a vast amount of love could make a human immortal? I certainly hope so, living eternally alongside you would be everything I would ever need. If I could make a wish right now it wouldn't even be for you to fall in love with me, but for me to get the opportunity to meet you. That alone would make my life already one that is fullfilled....

holy

Aaaand there goes the seriousness of the thread.

But whatever, at least people stayed focus for over a 100 replies, it's pretty much decided then that a lot of the Dollars support Anonymous, but would rather not merge with them, right?

@magnolia

I agree, I suport them absolutely but dont think that we should merge. I just feel like things would be easier to manage and we would cover alot more ground if we remain two seperate groups

We are kind of like Anonymous, except we don't use a Guy Fawkes mask and we aren't AS famous as them. Even though we are pretty darn famous.

1) No.
2) No. Unless you want to.
3) I don't know.
4) No.

Why exactly would we merge with them anyways...that would no longer allow the dollars to exist...

1) Yes, they have done much good.

2) It really depends on everyone's view on Anonymous.

3) We are alike in the power system, became just like Anonymous, we have no rules, leader, or even an objective.

4) Yes

>>141 explain your answer to #3

>>141 I do not believe you understand the approach that the vox populi have in mind. You say you are part of the theoretical group of Anonymous, but anonymous is not a group, it is an idea. The name is simply a way of distinguishing its supporters and followers from the passive majority.

Dollars is nothing in likeness to Anonymous other than that it is headless. Using names on this thread is a form of tagging, and thus people can be picked out of the mass, thus breaking the idea of anonymity. To say you are part of the group is to say you know nothing about it, and to say you are not part of the group is to stand separated from them.

To summarize, no-one can be part of the group, as it is not a group, it is an idea. There are groups that follow its ideals, which are often misconstrued with the idea itself being a group. So to say you are part of anonymous, proves you know nothing of its ideals.

>>1 Also, the OP should note that because of this, question one and four are synonymous, in a ragged kind of way.

1) I support anonymous.

2) Dollars, as a group, cannot support it, as it is not centred around its ideas. Rather, a board in which the supporters could discuss upon would be of great assistance and would count as a form of support.

3) Dollars is lacking in many ways the ideals of Anonymous and the groups that make it up.

4) I am not a part of anonymous, rather, an active supporter of the ideals and the groups that make it up. In particular, Anonymous Operatives/ Anon-Ops.

>>6 You're part of a LIE. >:{

>>143

Well that cleared things up. Permasage now?

>>145
How the fuck do you think this needs to be permasaged, just because someone provides logic? This has been going for awhile, no need to permasage it.

Lastly, only the admin/Mods and the original poster has any right to request it to be permasaged/closed, if it's an actual discussion. Not you.

Thiamor, no need to get your panties in a bunch. Requesting that a thread be saged or closed is fine, if they have a good reason. They just didn't have one here, because I think they misunderstand its usage.

Permasaging is akin to marking something for deletion (unnecessary and undesirable for a topic that has made good points), and closing a thread is to deem the topic complete and done with. Reaching a particular conclusion from one side of the discussion is not a reason to do this, though, to clear up any confusion.

>>147
Thanks Misuto, I honestly didn't know, but I figured that's what it meant.
I think it's more like I don't get this site. I just don't get how the 2nd question of this topic is supposed to go on for years. That and other topics that are supposed to be decision makers, too. Forgive me if I'm wrong, after all I am a newbie and that's possible, but after a while, shouldn't a decision be made? If you want to say ur part of Anonymous or if you support what they do, or make a comparison & contrast essay, then that's fine. I just want to know if the Dollars will ever be supporting anonymous, or not...
I love being a Dollar.. But I just don't support Anonymous.

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Anonymous is the real life Dollars
http://youtu.be/NPkdyedMzOw

>>150 you are mistaken. Anon and dollars are two distinct groups and there are certainly things that separate us. You are also advertising for another group. That is a no-no. If you can't figure out how anon and dollars are different, then maybe you don't understand them well enough to speak for either of them.

anonymous cant be called bad or good they aren't even a specific group of people anyone can call themselfs anonymous.

>>152 was this statement directed at me, or just a general observation? I'm aware anonymous isn't a group per se. That doesn't change the nature of Izayas indiscretion.

That's the thing though. They are a group. It's just one anyone can be a part of just by saying so. They are activists. If something happens, and a lot of people fight back and say they are from Anonymous, then guess what? It's still a group because they are working together as one.

They may be hidden online, but they still work together as a very massive but hidden group.

If you work together with other people, under one name, you're a group no matter how many times people want to say otherwise.

1) Do you support Anonymous?
Not really.. The way they do things is radical and illegal, they don't try to be quiet about it either. I love the way the Dollars do things. Peacefully, quietly, and legal most of the time. Though their cause has nothing to do with my opinion I don't think i'd support them, excessively at least.

2) Do you think The Dollars should support Anonymous?
No, because our goals are very different in my eyes.

3) What are the similarities and differences between us and Anonymous?
Well we are both invisible groups and will stay that way. Though while they protect the internet and fight for internet rights ( lightly speaking at least), we try to show people the world isn't all bad.

4) Are you part of Anonymous?
No, In fact I first heard of them a couple months ago.

I just got back from my vacation(no electronics where allowed)

and I was downloading random episodes of death note from youtube and well:

this explains its self:

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrLRyuzaki0?feature=mhee

1) yes i do support anonymous and I appreciate their effort in seeking the truth and leaking it, also i truly appreciate their fight against corrupt gouvernments and so on I think that they are truly amazing in what they do and they get to actually make the corrupt politicians think again about their actions.
2)No, it's better not getting involved with them at all. I'm really serious about this since they are already wanted everywhere for their chaotic actions and law violations and I think it's the best for us to stay away from them and from the govern and just stick at helping the everyday-people in our best ways >o>, the world can change not only by demasking the lies but by changing its people too.
3) We both try to help people I guess but the ways we do are so different. They act at a large scale in front of a huge public and they occupy the huge stage. They seek truth, they seek justice on a globale scale, while we seek happines and a better world with better and more kind people while acting sepparetly on a large scale if we put all the global members but each acts on a small scale.
4)No I'm not a part of Anonymous.

bumping up good threads

^this thread, for all your anon fangasming purposes.

1) I do support them, but the thing is about Anonymous (and other groups like it including the Dollars) is that they don't really have a head who orchestrates who does what in their group. It's kinda like 'we do whatever we want' and 'we attack whoever we want'. So I guess what I'm getting at is that there is the good members and then there are the bad members who are only looking for a way to start trouble.
I support them in their hackings of the Govt, (especially) WBC, ect. However, I think we are pretty alike, I mean we don't have a central head and we pretty much do what we want. Sadly, I'm not a part of them, I signed up for their website but it was taken down a week after...

I support them , but i would rather the Dollars not be grouped with anonymous.

1. I like Anon, but I feel that it could be more organized if they had a few "orchestrators" to plan out things. Not leaders, just more people who plan things for them, which Anon may or may not listen to.
2. I think at least some of us should, and hopefully all, but we should respect the beliefs of some members who do not like Anonymous.
3. Both organizations are very similar actually. It's all done anonymously within both parties, and we both work for the betterment of society. The Dollars work more peacefully and out in the world, while Anonymous does full on attacks mostly using computers.
4. I decline to state mainly because I myself, would prefer to stay in the dark.

i think the concept awesome but id rather observe the idea of anonymous rather than participate. also the dollars shouldn't be specified to a specific idea or concept.

i think the concept awesome but id rather observe the idea of anonymous rather than participate. also the dollars shouldn't be specified to a specific idea or concept.

1. If I was to make the choice to support Anonymous I would.
2. same again I would.
3. Anonymous hacks to get information but We use numbers to rely on.
4. No Comment.

Sorry, long time not active in here. what is Anonymous?

Err... What is anonymous ?

>>166 Anonymous is basically a name of a "group" that like Dollars, doesn't have a leader per-say. Sure there's a guy at the top but it's complex. To join anonymous all you have to do is say you're a member. They fight for Internet freedom, is the idea. They've taken down websites supporting SOPA (US bill to allow the complete moderating of the Internet) and they have been a help in many situations where Internet freedom has been threatened.
Their symbol is a guy Fawkes mask.
In my opinion, they mean good most of the time, but as it's an open group with very weak rules as to what they do I think that sometimes they've gone astray at too far. Do I think we're like them? No. We're not a group of hackers fighting a vigilante fight to save the Internet. We're Dollars and we should be protecting and helping those in need in the really world.

Hm,isn't the "Anonymous" an dangerous organization? We are pretty much an opposite of them.

>>168 agreed
but how can this "Anonymous" get in Dollars ? I mean , what for ?

Well, in other time I do support Anonymous 'work'..
Although they have hacked our government website, but it didnt really bother me much.. (^v^)
I wish the government stop the censorship in the internet, CyberSecurity sure know what I mean. (°v°)

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I don't think The Dollars should support Anonymous unless both groups have the same immediate goal, this will minimize our publicity and further our goals and beliefs. Also I personally am neither for nor against the way Anon does things, but I do have a friend who is in Anonymous and he believes that they are working to better the world by removing corrupt people from power. Take what I say was you will. ^_^

1) Do you support Anonymous?
- yeah i think i do, they're caring about our world.
2) Do you think The Dollars should support Anonymous?
- umm... it's up to you guys, I think anons is same as the dollars.
3) What are the similarities and differences between us and Anonymous?
- uh, i don't really understand about anons, but they got no leader (maybe?) they work together without knowing each other.
4) Are you part of Anonymous?
- no, but i really respected them because they do a good things.

I think so to and if they wont to start another clan war so be it we won the last so I say no just like saberion

俺最近にいった
Is it better to speak english?
日本人がいるの？
Anonymousってどういう意味？
Help plz

bump for discussion

Bump.

>>178 most here type in English, so English is preferred.

1. Yes.

2. Whoever wants to support Anonymous can, it is not for anyone to decide wether a member should or should not support Anonymous.

3. We have no leader, anyone who wants to become Anonymous is officially appart of Anonymous. We are not an organization, we are a group of people with one passion, but different goals.

4. Yes, and I am not ashamed to say so, and those who believe that "Nobody who's in Anonymous would say it", well you are wrong. As I have said, we are not an organization, we have no leader. If you want to be Anonymous, then you are. We are a group of people who unite as one to reach different goals.


And to those who believe that Anonymous is a dangerous "Organization", I will have you know that those who are dangerous are black hat hackers who calls themselves Anonymous to gain some sort of recognition. And also, we are not an organization, for the last time.

1. Sometimes.

2. Not necessarily, it's anyone's choice.

3. There are a lot of differences and a lot of similarities. Anonymous tends to be active, while the Dollars tend to be passive.

4. I've worked with anonymous before, but I stopped.

1. Sometimes.
2. No, not as a whole. They have too much negative publicity and we have...well,no publicity. If individuals wanted to, sure, that's the beauty of not having leaders, but I think that they've gotten into the public eye and aren't really faceless anymore undermines them and would undermine us. Formally supporting Anonymous as the Dollars would be making a decision for all of us, which is what leaders do. I honestly liked them better when they were just a bunch of directionless nerds from 4chan.
3. I think we'd be exactly alike if we weren't so different. To me comparing the Dollars and Anonymous is like comparing the Peace Corp and the Marine Corp. They both go to exotic lands to help the situation. The Peace Corp helps by distributing rice to good people, the Marine Corp helps by distributing bullets to bad people.
4.Nope. I haven't messed with them since they did the good work of making Hal Turner's life miserable back in the day.

I'm only going to answer the first one here because I am much to much tired to go through all of them. Yes, I do support /b/, most of the time. Because, on the deeper layers, they are people who are willing to go the extra mile to do what is right. I guess I more support what they stand for than the group itself. That's my two cents, I'm out! (I should start ending all my opinion posts like that...)

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1 - I support the Anonymous. 2 - I do not know if the Dollars should support anonimon, but we're just like them. 3 - We do not know who each are all unknown, but do not think we're bad, we exist to do good, even though we are invisible and we will always be here. Because we are the Dollars! 4 - I do not fasso part of anonymous.

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1) Personally, yes. They have done so much through out the internet. I mean, sure they might have used techniques that are considered illegal and im not saying that is ok. However, in my opinion, good will always outweighs the bad right?

2) I say we go neutral... Many of us share different opinions and from what I've read a lot of people say that the individuals should be the one to decide whether they'd support them.

3)Both groups have many differences and probably a few similarities. The Anonymous have shown their resilience towards the government shown during the time when SOPA and PIPA emerged. The Anonymous are know for their hacks and protest. We show ourselves as little Peacemakers, saying encouraging words and helping in our communities. Compared to the Anonymous, we are more of our little actions. The Anonymous broadcasts their opinions out to the whole world, whereas we stay in the confines of our communities. In comparison to the Anonymous, we are merely a little website trying to show that the world isn't such a bad place.

4) No... Even though I'd love to be a part of it since theyre really admirable

I don't always agree with the methods that Anonymous uses to get the job done but sometimes there is no choice. that said I believe that if the dollars were to support Anonymous we would be putting ourselves at risk. Anonymous has done things that have made them wanted by the government so think, if we were to support them we would be putting ourselves in danger. If that were to happen and the dollars were put out of commission, how would we be able to help people if we cant even protect our own members. I'm not saying its a bad idea, but I am asking is it worth the risk

I don't even know what 'anonymous' is.

But also, I want the world become more peaceful.

Annon while using illegal methods don't actually use it to harm anyone(or they aren't supposed to), they fight for freedom on the internet, so i personally am behind them on what they do, just think of it as the rebel force fighting the evil empire

I suppose since their actions seem to be fairly beneficial and just, I support them. The Dollars are less active, I believe; as an intelligent and somewhat arrogant (but still so lovable) asshole once said: The Dollars get their name from the fact that they just doddle, but Dollars sounds cooler.

i fight to bring back america they dont. they fight small battles wich is still good but i fight for a more important (at least to me) cause. i do not know much about them thou

Well, fun thing is that I have been thinking it lately too.
Anonymous is a group made first its appearance or debut on 4chan. Honestly that shows that they are kinda burned up people XD But for sure enough one thing is true. That they are not only words. They are hacktyvists who have their own little battle. I don't look down on them nor worshiping them though. I find them okay. And to be honest they have some similarities with the Dollars. Dollars supposed to be Colorless and they are Anonymous. No identity in one word. That's the one similarity. The other one is that, even with different ways each group is trying to make this world better. Anonymous does it by hacking sites which involve even child pornography. And lately (since I am from Greece) with all these things with Golden Dawn they made a move against these criminal Neo-Nazis. To be honest I felt ashamed. Because the classic Greek person have balls only to say one word or two to a Golden Dawn member or play it tough and get beaten up. The rest of use we just discuss this at our homes. So as a Greek person with respect in my country's history I was ashamed that an outsider group came to do what we weren't doing. A revolution of some kind.

The differences are quite obvious. They are hacktyvists who are trying to pass their messages via the net. And the Dollars is supposed to be a community with all kinds of people who are here even to enjoy themselves with the threads or make this world a little bit better.

And as for the second question, I believe that this wouldn't be bad and that we could do that.. Besides with our own ways and weapons we are trying to do the same thing. This world better. I am not an utopist so I don't believe that this world will change dramatically better with ours or Anonymous activities. But if there's something that some anime taught me, this is to fight for a change no matter how small it is.

Sorry if my reply is big and tiresome or an eyesore. But I wouldn't do this if I didn't believe as a Dollars member that Dollars can really do something about this rotten world. Unfortunately, Death Notes do not exist. So whatever we do, let's do it with the ''weapons'' we can handle the best.

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Well, I kinda support what they're doing. It seems like a good idea. But it's hard to trust Dollars' voice on Anonymous. We barely know anything about them, we don't know if we can trust them or not. Since they are Anonymous, we can't tell the difference between them. Because there are just way too many Anons in this site. But what I don't like is, their way of fighting. Yes, they are making their voice heard, but they act agressively and they seem harmful. And we also can see the similarity between this two groups, Anonymous and Dollars.

Well I'm an anonymous member and we fight for justice but we can go overboard

Well I'm an anonymous member and we fight for justice but we can go overboard

Well I'm an anonymous member and we fight for justice but we can go overboard

Well I'm an anonymous member and we fight for justice but we can go overboard

Well I'm an anonymous member and we fight for justice but we can go overboard

Well I'm an anonymous member and we fight for justice but we can go overboard

Well, I do support anonymous, they have became useful in our society, but in the contrary, they have became harm too...
I'm having mixed feelings with the second question, gomen ;;
And to the third--- Anonymous people have no names, and people use them a lot--- While some of us here have, and sadly, I'm not a part of it wwww

Im honestly not sure whether to support them or not. Their cause seems right, but I do not support the actions that they take to justify their cause. I do not think that the Dollars as a whole should support Anonymous. If you wanna support them, then that'a your choice. Do not bring the Dollars into this. Nuff said

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>>215 What site?

1) Yes
2)No, because we are two different groups who see things differently even though we both want the same thing.Also, we are a group of people who want to help.THEY are a group of HACKERS who want to help.I believe that we SHOULD NOT support them because we are not hackers.
3)I think I answered this question above.
4)No, I'm not an Anon, but, like I said above, I support them.

P.S. when i said we should not support them, I didn't mean that we should oppose them. I just meant that we shouldn't work together.

i agree with Narushito...

I do not know anything about the anonymous. I do not believe they have reached Michigan. So far they do not seem to pose a threat.

hm... simply a group of activist we are and anonymous is me ... you ... your friends and everyone else ... we are all unknown but yet seen , we do not take orders from anyone we are our own government " anarchy may not be the best form of government , but its better than no government at all" quote from one of our members and tells us that governments are always corrupted in one matter but yet still has hope but this small website has many of our members and so , anonymous is for the people who believe in us and agree with our activist brothers and sister

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I think that we are anonymous in some way too... remember, we don`t have any face or colour... some thing, that will say: "It`s Dollars"

I haven't been part of the dollars for long, and I probably am the only one in the entire island, but I feel like we, as a group could indeed take action in matters. In that way, we aren't so different from them, other that many lack the coding skills. This is far fetched, but I do believe that Anonymous could operate as the software, while the Dollars as the hardware. With the combined numbers, we could really make a change.

I think Anonymous is different than Dollars... In a way I think Dollars is better, more community based on helping in a different way. I'm not part of Anonymous and even though they have such a terrible reputation, I'm sure they're not as bad as people think, (or maybe they are ahaha..) but really I think it's what you, as a person, do in your community. If it's Dollars or Anonymous... It's really the people taking action that will be the spokespersons.

All further discussions about anonymous go in here.

I don't know much about Anonymous, but I can see how they're similar to the Dollars as both tend to deem themselves as "invisible". In a way, both groups are kind of like the unsung heroes of their generations, which I think is cool :D I might be wrong, but I believe that the intentions for most people as a whole is good in either group so I think both are similar to each other.

Well, I'm pretty sure that there are some dollars that are in anonymous. Maybe I they're willing, they can shed some light on this and tell us the things we don't know about them.

For those of you who can't google before you type, Anonymous is essentially an activist movement of individuals whom, after claiming the title of anonymous, attempt to make the world a better place using whatever ideals suit them.

Anyone can join simply by saying they are in it, just like Dollars.
Often times their movements involve things such as hacking companies and governments or taking to the streets for protest.

A lot of members who post among these boards are members of Anonymous, but not very many would claim the title here.
Anonymous, when they actually get a project/mission going, are a lot more effective and centralized than Dollars.

DOLLARS has never gotten out there to begin with 90% of the people are here anime fans, otakus, weebs, neets and role players. How we got here? ain't it obvious? Even If not all of us are useless people or middle/highschoolers it still doesn't make a difference, we don't have anything we don't do anything.

You never know. This group can do quite a lot more than you think.

A lot of similarities can be drawn with Anonymous and the Dollars. They're invisible, no hierarchy, the members pretty much do what they want, where they want. Anonymous is much bigger than the Dollars, and with more people come more problems. Some of the crap they do are ridiculous. However, it's probably in a small, albeit loud, percentage. While some people are honestly trying to do good, that small percentage is toxic to the entire organisation. I think the Dollars shouldn't support Anonymous until we become bigger and more people understand that Anonymous isn't just a bunch of trolls messing around. I feel like the Dollars and Anonymous are quite capable of a good alliance, but only if some names are cleared first.

Ask anyone on the street do you know anonymouse ? He will , but ask him about the dollars and he will be like wtf is that ..
We've done nothing to be known , ee have to

>>236 Well the Dollars are invisible. So of course we won't go way out of our way to be known.


I'm sure Anonymous has been around a ton longer than the Dollars, that's why they're so much bigger and more known. Give this group a few years and something huge can happen!

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>Alliance
What.