This is my first suggestion, so please don't yell at me. :D

I was reading Inuhakka's suggestion for removing the new thread button, and everyone was against it because it would make it annoying for everyone to make a thread. So, I tried to come up with something that didn't affect people that knew the site.

Why not have the login page redirect to the About page instead of the Main board? That way, new people see the About first thing, they have links to the Introductions board, FAQ, and the Read This If You're New, and older members can just go right to 'dollars-bbs.org/main' instead of 'dollars-bbs.org'.

just let it be that..
somehow thats what makes it look like interesting
.to join and to know about the password of DOLLARS

This would be a good idea for new members but would get annoying as shit once you start becoming a regular.

solace: how long did u been here?

>>4 A year and a bit.

what wow!!

>>3 "older members can just go right to 'dollars-bbs.org/main' instead of 'dollars-bbs.org'"

You could skip it by going to the main board's URL instead of the base URL.

I actually had an idea similar to this, but I was going to suggest redirecting to the Introductions board. The About page is probably better.

>>7 except that only works if cookies are enabled to not be destroyed after closing the browser.

>>8 **or anything to the same extent of cookie slaughter

A simple fix is 2 passwords implemented. The first one is baccano, which will send each person who uses it to the suggested page.

The second will be either in the same page, or somewhere posted in a topic, and for those who read it and find it, can type it in and it'll then always redirect to the normal /Main url. Thus if you don't learn, you'll always be redirected.

>>8 If you were redirected from the Main board to the login screen, wouldn't you then be redirected to whatever page you tried to access? Also, having a function that only works with cookies isn't really a bad thing.

>>10 This is a good idea. I'd think the other password would go into the FAQ.

>>11 if youre asking if the series of events occurs:
type in random board url in, get redirected to login screen, type in pass, go to random board instantly

This does not occur, it goes to the main board.

>>12 Hmm, I thought so. Too bad. Is there any way to remember what URL you were redirected from, and then direct you there again?

Even so, I don't think it would be too bad to start on the About page every time. It might be annoying, but it's only one click. It only affects people that do not have cookies saved indefinitely for the site and always visit the Main board first.

>>7 Yeah, no, that doesn't really work most of the time.

>>10 I'd back that but some members (Reltair included possibly) might feel like that breaks the immersion of the layout.

>>10 I agree with >>14, it does kind of break the immersion. Other sites don't even have baccano as the password, though, so I'm sure it wouldn't be too bad.

>>12 Crap, I thought it would take you wherever you tried to go previously.

>>13 I'm wondering that too, is there any way to add that functionality to the site?

If I recall the anime didn't go into too much depth about what the site itself actually looked like, or how it worked. So really, what something redirects to isn't going to break immersion, if the main thing people notice is still the same. IE, login page.

The second password itself will be for direct board usage without the need to be redirected to the about section. This alone I feel breaks no such immersion.

I think that there should be a page that new users come to immediately that has the "Read this if you're new" thread. And at the bottom of the page, there should be a checkbox (like the remember password thing for e-mail) that lets returning users go straight to main upon entering the website.

>>17 There is no good way to track people on this site. The only way to remember if you've checked the box or done any confirmation is by cookies or IP address. Cookies can be deleted (sometimes automatically) and IP addresses usually change periodically.

Honestly, I like the idea of another password. It means you have to get some experience with the site before avoiding the About page, and if we put it into the FAQ, that gives motivation to read it. >>16 is right, the anime hardly showed anything about the site. There are already things that clearly weren't there anyway (like numbered posts), so it's not like we're a perfect replica.

>>18
There are always ways to track people, but it'd not be some way that's how most people would want.

IE, it can be coded in to assign a name to people's IP, or HDID (which the latter is more permanent) and then have a web page created to show who is currently online. Perhaps even a thing to record onto that, what Trip they have used with what name they have been posting with.

>>19 What is an HDID?

IP addresses change periodically by default, you usually have to pay for a static IP. Case in point: the Member counter. It would work for showing currently online people, but it wouldn't work as well for something like remembering if you've been on the site before.

>>20
If I recall an HDID is a very unique ID for each computer's Hard drive, that can only be changed if you remove it. There are solutions in which sites can scan and use that ID rather than just an IP.

Thus my above suggestion is still possible.

>>21 Can the website access that data? Do they have to get permission?

If that is true, then that would be the way to go.

Fairly certain as long as it's stated in the TOS, they can have permission that way. All sites should have the ability to access it. Not saying sites where you create a website online and have it hosted through them. IE, Freewebs. But the Freewebs server can access that type of information, I think.

>>21 Better. HWID. It's not possible with this being perl, though.
We'd have to revamp the entire site.
In my opinion, not worth it.

Here's my idea.

We use the password, "baccano" to redirect on the new page.
Though, we'd have a separate password for a main board redirect.
Similar to the moderators having their own password.

>>25 This was brought up at >>10. I agree with it completely. I didn't even think about there already being different passwords. That means it wouldn't be that difficult to add one more.

Has Reltair or any of the other moderators een this? bumpity bump

~BuMp~

Given the recent wave of newcomers, I would like to know if anyone disagrees with the current password redirecting to the About page, and a new password redirecting to the Main board.

Or, better yet, having some way of remembering which page you tried to access before being redirected to the login page. I don't know if that's possible.

I think this would be a good idea to implement.

I like the idea. Should OP take it to Reltair or does someone else want to?

We'd have to choose a new password for the Main board redirect first.

My vote would be for 2spooky4me, but I am guessing other people have other ideas.

The main redirect should be baccano. It should be changed so it will be what redirects to the about section. We should have something a bit more professional for the direct password.

IE, baccano will stay how it is, but instead redirects, second password will be what no one knows about who refuses to read this topic, or the about section.

>>34 How about akikan? Akikan! is another show by Brain's Base, so it would be fitting.

That or just the name of the show we're based off of. Durarara exactly. Long enough to be a proper password, yet still going with the theme of the site and show.

Those would work fine, but if it were going to be durarara, it should probably be all lowercase. Does anyone have any problem with either akikan or durarara as a new, Main board password?

We could also consider dororonenmakunmeeramera.

I vote for durarara for the new password

So the password is going to change?

So the password is going to change?

Ummmmm how about still baccano but in all caps?

>>41 too simple

I think 'durarara' works best.

So, to sum up what is being discussed thus far:

When prompted for the password at dollars-bbs.org, entering 'baccano' will take the user to the About page, instead of the Main board. Entering 'durarara' will take the user to the Main board. The new password will be added in the next iteration of the FAQ. This may require Reltair to make a thread on Main explaining the change before it happens, unfortunately.

If there isn't anyone that expressly disagrees with this, RollyPolly can email Reltair about it and see what he thinks.

>>42 It's on the same level of simple as durarara to me :T

But on things I use most often I have to password remembered, so in the end I don't care that much. Duradura is fine.

I brought up something like this once...

>>43 Roll out the e-mail.

adding my two pennies to this

what if instead of a new password we had like a thing so if a person/newbie/idk wants to make a new thread they have to pass a test of sorts?

idk if that makes sense but like, when clicking 'create new thread' they're taken to the faq or read this if you're new thread and have to read through/find a certain thing to click (like, 'oh if you've read this go back and click the second word of the first sentence of op to make new thread') to be taken to an actual 'make new thread' page and ??? idk.

it's kinda dumb, but if it's implemented, then at least people will *have* read our faq/rules instead of just entering the new pass

(this is a repost of a repost of a repost, but i figured kinda relevant to this thread)

>>47 This is more trouble to go through to make a new thread than more scrolling, which is what I was told was too much trouble.

To quote from that other thread, "The last thing that I want to have is to set it up so making threads is some kind of inside joke where you can't even figure out how to do it until you've been on the site for a while."
~Barabi-Sama

Another password is initially troublesome to remember to type, but after a while it isn't that bad. Plus, newbies likely will not complain about being taken to the About every time, because they wouldn't know that never used to happen.

>>47 The whole point of this was to avoid it being annoying to make a thread, and that sounds kind of annoying. Besides, the new password would be inside the FAQ, so they'd still have to read it.

>>48 Your concept would have affected the entirety of the website, no users excepted. What Astin is suggesting is intended to only affect new people. (i.e. - the first time you make a thread)

However.

>>47 Therein lies the problem. Those of us with dynamic IP's would have to see this every time we went to post a thread. There's no solid way for the website to tell whether or not someone is new unless their IP never changes. (Or at least, that's the only way to do it without changing how some of the site functions.)

It was a good idea, though. I've thought of it a few times myself. It's just not that easily applicable.

>>50 If we could easily track new users, we would just redirect anyone new to the site to the About, or maybe even the FAQ. Almost everyone's IP changes periodically, because having a static IP is a really good thing, good enough that your ISP will usually charge you money for it.

Also, if we could track people, I wouldn't have ever suggested removing the shortcut. I would have suggested having no shortcut or link for anyone that is new to the site until they have read the FAQ.

Do you agree/disagree with the new redirect idea? We've now suggested to have 'baccano' redirect to the About page, and have a new password 'durarara' go to Main like the old one did. We'd put the new password in the FAQ.

>>50 , >>10 and >>48 are the most practical. They would not interrupt user experience.

Tracking(cookie recognition) is out of the question with dynamics already being brought up.

The second password is still the best idea.

>>51 Thank you for repeating everything I said back to me. It was quite useful and insightful.

I'm not against the two password idea. I just think it should be something other than drrr-related, and maybe have its own page instead of just linking to the About or FAQ that can be easily navigated away from/

>>53 What would you suggest for the password?
I'm not sure how much work it would be setting up a new page for newcomers, which I assume would have the About and FAQ only? And in the FAQ would be the new password they can use to get to the regular site?
The only problem I see is getting this information out to everyone that has already joined, because they'd be in for a surprise next time they logged in if they never heard.

>>53
Given the about will give everything out they need to know, there is no need for a whole new page to redirect to. It's not supposed to redirect to something new. It's just meant to force them to read it else they will always get directed at the about section.

Plus the baccano password will be the same, since that is the entire point of this. That the original password is what redirects people, unless you mean the second password not being DRRR-related.

>>56 No, I was referring to the second one. I don't know about anyone else, but "Durarara" was the first password I tried to put into this site when I found it/forgot the password. I have a feeling a lot of newbs will put it in out of curiosity and end up bypassing the redirect.

>>55 >>56 And by a new page, I mean something that sums it up and doesn't have links to leave it until the very bottom. If you join and log into the FAQ while having full access to the navigation to the left, why the hell would you ever sit there and read the entire thing when there's something right next to you saying "Comics" and "Animation"? I feel like it ought be a new page, like a second splash page, that gives more incentive for the user to stay on the page or at least scroll down to the bottom. And maybe to leave, they have to put in the "new password", which will force them to read through the page to find it (unless they're smart enough to Ctrl+F, which I'd give them some credit for). And only then would it start tracking them as having put the password in and let them navigate to the boards.

Preferably, it would be something a bit more concise than the FAQ (lists rather than paragraphs would be even better to collect the user's attention) while still containing plenty of information and linking to different useful pages/threads through it.

We still need Reltair's input on this before we brainstorm too in-depth, though, because we're changing the login process of the site either way. He might be completely against it.

>>57 What about akikan? It's another show by Brain's Base, so it would keep with the theme.

I see what you mean about the sidebar. I think it would probably be easy to make a new page that had no sidebar, top bar, etc. The only trouble is with current users having the site changed from under their feet. We'd need a thread on Main explaining the change, if it were to happen. Even then, some people would be awfully shocked when they next tried to log in.

I don't think it would have any external links on the page at all, except for the base login page (dollars-bbs.org). That way, once you know the password, all you get is the link to log in again.

We can probably get the main idea down before we bother Reltair.

I like akikan. It's unique, it fits the theme, and not too many letters. It's only 1 less than Baccano. I like it.

>>58 The reason I was suggesting having something explicitly telling them to put in a new password was so they knew there was a second password. You can't just give them a wall of text and then link them back to the page they started on. They'll probably just get frustrated when they keep getting brought back to it and give up without even reading it (since I'd say a solid 80% of them won't even try to read it at the start). At the very least, I suggest that the link back to the front page say something like, "Please login with new password." Just something at the bottom of the page that prompts them to know there is a second password to look for.

And "akikan" is fine for me.

I'm just concerned that, though we may get a "main idea", he may have limits that we can have work around faster if we contact him earlier with a few different options, is all.

>>60 Absolutely, we'd have a header that says something like that. Maybe not even as specific as a password (to prevent ctrl-f), but just an indicator that inside this text is the way into the site.

So, akikan is it. durarara was too guessable.

Here is what we have:

When inputting the password 'baccano', a new user will be redirected to a newcomer page, which will have the information available in the FAQ in a more concise format. The new password, 'akikan', will take the place of the old password and it will redirect to the Main board as usual. The new password will be inside the FAQ-like newcomer page to let them know so they can get in.

If no one has any issues with that, I will contact Reltair about this to see if he is okay with it, so we can start writing the FAQ page.

That's fine for me o:

Not gonna do a full sweep, but the saged should probably get off top, so.

bump.

Oh. WOW. That was, uh, really awkward.

All the permasaged threads deleted after I posted >.>

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As of lately, there's not a moment when main doesn't look like shit. We need to do something about it.

>>62 Wow... Coolio~

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We totally need this, so new members don't start useless threads, asking about what to do here. This will totally help. And, as stated somewheres above, there is a new wave of fans coming in, with the second season running and all.

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YEP.

Bump

While I do agree that new members are always posting heaps and heaps of spam, I don't think redirecting them to the About page would help much. Barely anyone reads the FAQ or rules of sites anyways, and it seems to be even less here.

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>>75
The only reasons they hardly read it is that our only way to show them it's there is to repeat that it's there or hope they browse more than just the forums.

This way it'll force them to or else they can't learn the second password. So it'll help us more than them.

^^

>>77 The next problem is people who share that second password.

>>79

I doubt people who take time to find it will go and share it.

>>79 Or it could just be automatically changed every x number of days. Those who previously went through that screen will already know where to find the password, so it shouldn't cause much of an issue.

>>81
Doing it that way we might as well just have a random password generated up so Reltair doesn't have to keep changing it manually each time.

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recycle day bumpy ^_^

bump

Great idea

Good Idea.

Bump

I think it is quite good and useful for the community as well.

its supposed to be Hachiman . so i named it Harichiman. so no one can steal it. but why am I seeing this now?? So we have the same idea?? Hachiman to Harichiman .. WTF.