I think we should remove the box at the top of the page linking to the Create new thread option at the bottom of each board.

New people would be far less likely to post spam threads consisting of 'I'm new, hi!' on the Main board, and generally useless threads elsewhere. Being at the top of the page may give the impression that is how the site is supposed to be used, when in reality creating a new thread is more significant than replying to one. I don't think newbies really understand the significance of making a new thread, so it doesn't make sense the option is readily available to them. The option would remain at the bottom of the page, of course, but it would be out of sight in a way that you would have to gain some experience with the site before you could create a new thread.

What do you think?

I really doubt it being placed there is what causes shit topics being posted in the wrong boards. Those who create the shit topics, would create them no matter where the button is placed.

This seems a bit useless to me.

>>2 I really think most, if not all of those shit topics you are talking about were created by clicking that shortcut. It's way too out in the open and it doesn't serve any other purpose being there. Threads aren't, or shouldn't be created often enough to warrant such easy access.

Basically, I don't think we'd lose anything from removing it, even if it didn't do a lot.

It should be removed.

If there is somewhere located instructions on where the actual create thread button is located, then I'm all for deleting it. If not, no thanks. would rather people weren't constantly asking how to make a thread

All it does is move you down the page. It's not really all that much of a short cut, nor do I believe it's causing shit topics. It's not like it's a quick reply button.

It does the exact same thing as the other button, just it scrolls you down automatically, allowing you to create your topic. I am doubtful that is what is causing our issues with shit topics.

>>6 I've used other forums before, and none of them had the option of making a new thread in such an obvious place as this one. Why shouldn't it be removed? You haven't actually given a reason against removing it, other than it might not fix that many problems. It's probably not going to fix all of your problems (nothing will) but it might solve some, so why not?

>>5 Couldn't it go in the FAQ?

>>7 The FAQ is only updated once it reaches 1337 posts, and it's at 992 right now. It will be a little bit before we can put it in, plus whoever updates it would have to add it and that won't be me.

>>6 Here's my problem with it: it's too accessible. Anyone can come on the site for the first time and the option is right there, which doesn't make sense. It should require experience with the site to locate. Maybe removing it wouldn't even reduce bad threads at all, but it still doesn't make sense to have it visible as soon as you enter the site.

I know we can't stop spam, but I seriously believe most people that say things like, 'Hi, I'm new!' on Main would be less likely to if the option to make a thread wasn't as available.

You said it yourself, the shortcut doesn't do much.

>>5 You'd rather there be a bunch of spam threads on Main than people asking in the FAQ how to make a thread? If they can't figure out how to make a thread, the worst they can then do is 'spam' the FAQ with questions, which wouldn't really be that bad.

>>8 but it wouldnt stay in just the faq thread. they would do it in whatever thread is directly in front of them at the time, no matter the board, no matter the cleanliness

>>9 I don't think that would be universally true. I'm pretty sure a good chuck of people would ask in the FAQ, especially since there is a message about asking questions there. I thought about this too, and my logic is this: it's more likely that people will correctly seek out information they know exists, rather than correctly seek out information they don't know exists.

It would definitely be in the FAQ, and we could even add it to the Help tab. Wouldn't it be great if only people that had read the FAQ could create new threads? I thought this might bring us one step closer to that.

I might even suggest taking away the option at the bottom and making it even more obscure, but that's a different discussion for a different time.

I don't support removing the button, mainly for the sole reason that while the button is easily accessible, it's also conveniently located next to the View All Threads button. Getting rid of the button probably wouldn't decrease the amount of people creating shit threads, and it may, however slightly, actually let more to slip through if that's not there to catch their eye.

>>11 Removing the button will do nothing about duplicate threads. The 'shit threads' I am speaking of do not benefit from a check of the archives, they are threads consisting of a greeting or revelation that the site exists. They don't belong as their own topics anywhere, so the archive can't help them.

I can't really imagine the archive button prompting anyone that wasn't going to check it in the first place, either. How would they know to check it if they didn't already know? The button itself gives no indication it should be viewed before making a new thread.

One of your reasons seems to imply people will be smart enough to post in the FAQ. You're basically being too naive in thinking that way.

>>13 We are now being naive in thinking they'll read it in the first place. There is only a small fraction of newcomers that read it before doing anything, which is why I wanted to do this in the first place.

I figured posting in the FAQ would be less complicated and more likely to be completed then reading the whole thing. I also thought people posting where they shouldn't would not have a big impact as opposed to making new threads where they shouldn't.

Obviously not everyone will ask there, but not everyone reads it before making threads right now, and in this case I thought the damage would be smaller.

>>14
I seriously think none of your ideas will come about solely upon us removing that shortcut.

>>15 I seriously think even if removing it accomplishes virtually nothing (highly unlikely), it doesn't serve much of a purpose being at the top of the page. You have to admit that it's much more obvious than the link at the bottom of the page, and I don't think that's appropriate for creating a new thread.

I know you don't think a single bad thread is made because of that button, but based on my uniquely incomplete perception of this site (being, as you pointed out, new), I do.

No.
Fuck no, in fact.

Even if it would help stop the floods of idiots posting shit topics, as someone who uses that button whenever I'm making a new thread (especially if I'm doing it on a phone, mini-tablet, etc.), removing it makes it a whole lot less functional. Not every device has a "to bottom of page" button, and some boards have really long first posts.

I personally find it quite useful and don't agree with removing it. Making it harder for newbs to find and, in turn, making the creation process more annoying for regular users of the site. Not to mention that removing it would mean we have to navigate back to the main page of every board before we can make a new thread; having it on every page takes out that shortcut.

Also, that's bullshit in its entirety. If you think that having that big button there is distracting newbs and making them click on it, then why are so many users shocked when they find out the "View All Threads" button exists? It's right there with it. I personally think the side bar is in general ignored by most new users (hence why people ask what the admins email is so often, what the IRC channel is, etc.). Instead, they just end up finding the 'create a thread' button at the bottom of the page after going through the front page of a board and decide they want to post something too.

>>18 I don't think it's the button being hidden, but the fact that they don't know they are supposed to click it. Having the New Thread shortcut in an easily accessible location is an indicator it is used often enough to warrant that convenience.

How often are you making new threads? Would it be that much worse if it took a while to make one? The whole point of this suggestion is making it harder to make a new thread, which makes it harder for everyone. If it did reduce bad threads, you don't think it would be worth going through some annoyances if you are making a new thread? It's convenient, of course, but that's what I see as the problem.

You have been using the site for quite some time, while I have not. I see the option to create a new thread, which is a substantial action that requires experience to do properly, available to anyone that enters the site for the first time. They don't even have to navigate through the page, it's visible as soon as they come in.

If no one really thinks it will help, and that being there contributes enough to outweigh any possible disadvantages, so be it. I just don't think it makes sense.

>>19
This is where your entire topic is now shit, because you don't give two shits about the people actually making worth while topics, pissed that if this happens, they have to be stressed with the extra shit in order to make a new topic.

>>20 "Would it be that much worse if it took a while to make one?"

"you don't think it would be worth going through some annoyances if you are making a new thread?"

"If no one really thinks it will help, and that being there contributes enough to outweigh any possible disadvantages, so be it."

Yes, because if he really cared about those people, he wouldn't ask them what they thought. I guess this topic is now invalid.

Does it even have to be as complicated as this to stop most of these idiots from posting shit threads? How about a timer lock on the "create thread" button? New kids wait 30 seconds to a minute before they can post. Or even simpler would be to have the site warn them. Like when they click on the new thread button for the first time it changes to a page with a nice, big warning, and I mean 100 font size big, for all those dumbasses who cant read text this small. It can have something like "Before You Post Your Thread: blah blah blah" or a more personal favorite "Woah Woah! Stop Right There Faggot!". Just a nice, one time warning on posting threads, after that no more warning. I don't know, seems better than inconveniencing people like this >>18 who are on devices.

>>19 Quite honestly, I don't think we should be getting in the way of people making threads at all. There is no reason that we need to make creating a thread more annoying for *everyone* just to filter out a few noobs. I think you're mentality is way off, and you didn't respond to the technical problems at all.

I *want* people to make threads. I honestly do. That's literally the entire point of the website. The last thing that I want to have is to set it up so making threads is some kind of inside joke where you can't even figure out how to do it until you've been on the site for a while. Would it reduce the shit threads? Yes. But I think it would just be obnoxious.

I find that there are plenty of better solutions to people making shitty threads than having making any thread more difficult, such as having a required minimum word count, checking each word in the title against the archive, etc. There are many better suggestions on this board than this.

>>23 "The last thing that I want to have is to set it up so making threads is some kind of inside joke where you can't even figure out how to do it until you've been on the site for a while."

Unfortunately, that is exactly what I was aiming for here, so I supposed this isn't going to happen. I have another idea that might be better. It's far less obtrusive and doesn't really impact anyone except newbies.

maybe there should come another catergorie under 'random'
like 'new' where the new members can try their first posts and relies on each other

>>26 There's a Test forum under Random to test posts and tripcodes. There is also an Introductions forum under Main. Lrn2lurk.

i think this is a good idea! we should join forces and try to change where the shortcut to creat a thread is! :D

no we will not get rid of it.

>>29
We all already argued it, you coming in and restating it when not being even part of the original conversation isn't helping.

I guess you need to stop talking about that
and remove it already, i joined the DOLLARS
today and i found it weird "Create New Thread"
is that obvious.

In my opinion, put it under the "Random" Button
down the categories.
Good luck.

copy/paste from my post on the rtt

merp. was over on main and thinking about all the useless/unneeded threads and i thought what if we had like a thing so if a person/newbie/idk wants to make a new thread they have to pass a test of sorts?

idk if that makes sense but like, when clicking 'create new thread' they're taken to the faq or read this if you're new thread and have to read through/find a certain thing to click (like, 'oh if you've read this go back and click the second word of the first sentence of op to make new thread') to be taken to an actual 'make new thread' page and ??? idk.

it's kinda dumb, but if it's implemented, then at least people will *have* read our faq/rules

That's make sense. But the page already look nice interface with it. I like it. I suggest that, put something like "Newbie" page at the same line with Home, About, Chatrooms, Help, Links, Updates. This is what I'm thinking. :)

>>33 We have the introductions board, and the About page is for newbies. It includes links to all the threads they should read before using the site. I don't see the purpose of a newbie page.