I think we should have an account creating process so we can measure the size of the dollars by the accounts made and not by the different names used on this site. Any thoughts on this? Please be kind

It's still the same as without an account system. People come and go. So either way, there's no way to actually keep an accurate track of members.

Also, your idea has been suggested by lots of people. Can't find the other threads that show this, but it has been suggested.

Thank you for your input :)

you're thought has been noticed and considered by the head of the dollars , they will do what they can.

-IKEBUKURO

>>4 The hell are you saying.

>>4 bitch please.
I think he's trying to impersonate the bossman.
I agree with insert on this, because even with accounts, people will still leave, and I'm pretty sure there is no way to 100% eliminate the data stored for each personal user. You could always just try n be happy with the system in place.
If you develop on this idea more and give an actual example of how it can be used, more sense may be made.

>>6
Doesn't even know the difference between 'your' and 'you're'

Or the bossman's name.

O.o so much hate...i like what anon said...made me feel better...

>>8

>_>

why cant we say what we mean to say, without being so....harsh

>>8
In other words, so many people disagreed with you...you listen to the dumb guy with awful grammar trying to impersonate our admin because he didn't say something of reason as to why accounts are useless.

Puts a different spin on things, doesn't it?

So many stupid people, sometimes i pray for a samefag

No one is disagreeing with you. Although too keep track of members you'll have to have some sort of account system. But i'm sure everyone is fine with what we have now.

I disagreed. Were'nt you paying attention?

I'm gonna bump this up with a new thought on this. I believe there should be a more accurate count system for members. I understand the whole "The member count goes by IP" thing, but that's the problem. I come on this site with 5-10 different computers, adding 5-10 different members on the member count for just me. I know I'm not the only one who uses different computers to access this site.

As for the members that come and go, I understand that that's hard to keep a count of, but I just believe there should be a more accurate member count to prevent one person from adding multiple members to the count simply because they can't access the computer they usually use and need to use a different one.

>>15 There is no accuracy either way. If there are 199000 IPs, then there would be 2000 accounts(got it from the Intro board). It'd be skewed because there's only maybe 20 actives, 30 or so come and go's, and that's about it. The active is an estimate, the come and go's is a wild guess.

The quote from above: "there's no accurate way to keep track".

Forgive me, there's 3000 threads in the Intro board. So 3000 accounts. Still, very very skewed.

>>17 Not everyone makes an intro thread, I didn't. And I hope I'm not the only one.

>>18 Doesn't matter, if we take the 3000 threads as registration, then there'd be at least 3000 accounts made. Hell, even more. My point in the matter isn't that if you or anyone else made intro threads, but taking the number of people who made intro threads as accounts here, then it would show that it still wouldn't be an accurate count of members here, thus it would make no matter if this site is account based or no accounts.

Why did someone bump this crap.

>>19 Either way, most people make a thread and then never come back. Most of the people who introduced themselves haven't posted anywhere else.

I agree because it would also be easier to contact people you have met this way. Would be nice. You could sub-categorize easier too.

>>21 My point exactly. Think of it like this: People making accounts, come on for one time, and then never coming back.

>>22 We aren't a social networking site. This is a forum for discussion. We do however have an email thread in the Tech board, we have a email group for you to join in the Main board, and a Facebook thread also in Main. We have a tumblr in Random. And then there's the chat for you to go to. What more do you actually need? Nothing.

>>20 Ask Leigha.

no user accounts please. Did you read the FAQ? That may be helpful in answering your request.

>>21 IKR, it's why I stopped introducing them a while back

I think it's the same with everyone else who used to do intros.

I remember when intros used to be long, BUT WHIPPERSNAPPERS THES-
I mean uh

>>25 this thread was made like 9 months ago

>>26 I don't think we even had an Introduction subforum when I first joined :|

>>27 "11-30-2010: Food Board and Introductions Sub-Board have been added."

If you were here two years ago, a couple of months after the site started, then yes, we didn't have an Intro board when you first joined.

Oh the greatness of the Updates page.

>>27 u old bambi

but not that old

not than old

lolololol/dies

If I might make a suggestion that could solve the issue of people asking this all the damned time,

Perhaps if a refreshing hit counter were put in place? One that counted the number of unique IP hits within a specific time period, and then refreshes to 0 at the end?

Ideally it could be made to build up a buffer before displaying the next number, so in reality it's displaying the number of hits from the week prior or something, until the end of the current week.

The only issue would be that it's not as dynamic as the current number (and certainly not as impressive), because it would reset only once every so often, and it won't account for people who don't visit the site within that time period for whatever reason. And the biggest problem of them all, it would be a pain in the arse to code unless Reltair has free time :V

If this sounds like an idea that solves the "inaccurate hit counter" issue at least, we might want to add it to the queue of low-priority, superfluous site upgrades after polishing the idea a bit. Thoughts?

I am on the fence with this idea. I'm for it, because it might be annoying to have someone use your name for their own posts, making it seem like you did something potentially bad. I'm against it because this becasue it's like Anonymous said, this isn't a social place. This is a place where anyone can say anything, and not feel the social reprocusions from it. If he get's a bad rep for just speaking his mind, that's jsut wrong. He can always change his name, and get a fresh start. I don't know, i would like a account's place, but at the same time, I don't. I know i'm not alone when i say this, but the Dollor's page is perfect for me, just the way it is.

>>30 The results would still be off. I don't know how many people are like me, but I use up two five different computers and probably 7-10 different routers, giving me a unique IP for each one, within a week. I do agreed that the results would be less off though. Still, I'd agree to it not being that important since there are other Suggestions that I'd rather see don before this one.

metal mist he wasn't shooting me down he was just giving his own insight and philosophy on the suggestion. Look I think its best if this tread goes down. I think it's starting to many "issues".

sorry wrong tread disregard what I just stated.

Maybe you should have the option avalable to people who want to do it, but also keep this the way it is at the same time.

Ok, besides the topic of this being necrobumped from a period of nine months (for a reason still unknown), I'm going to try to knock out a lot of possibilities just so we don't have these problems later. Knowing how things usually go though, we probably will.

One possible solution provided is that the system reset every month or so.
However, this will just cause the same problem, albeit cutting down on that number. New members will show up in the month, not come back, same problem.

Another plausible one would be set by name/ accounts.
For the name portion, people could just use a bunch of names (see: samefags) and screw with the system in the same way. Tripcodes would work relatively the same, since people usually don't remember tripcode passwords when on different computers, and will usually type (mobile) next to their name, same problem.
With the registration part, it's already been said in several threads already that registration goes against the site setting, given that it's meant for people to just start without any prerequisites at all. So both of these need to be tossed, obviously.
A quick wrap-up of why we don't have accounts (forgive me, my memory's a bit hazy here):
-Can't get a fresh start with a new name
-Attached identify
-(Likely) Join dates= elitism mentality over proof of newer/ older member
-Again, goes against colorless principle of easy, "anyone can use" mentality

A much more plausible one would be rather simple, when you think about it.
Put a cookie on the site.
Allow the site to distribute the cookie to every IP that uses it, keeping a local copy on a hard disk and one on a server. For every cookie distributed, the counter goes up by one.
When a cookie's lifetime goes past one month and it hasn't come to the site to be 'refreshed' on its time limit, the count drops back down from that IP. Now, this obviously is only a partial solution, but people would have to use different IP's frequently enough for the counter to count each. If someone uses a computer once and never again, or visits once and never comes back, this system would eliminate that count from the counter. This would also work with dynamic IP's, considering the site would check the computer for the cookie, and since it already has one, it checks for the matching one, and knows that it's the same computer.
Now, this part's rather problematic, considering:
a) Would have to figure out all the coding for a site-specific cookie-counter (would take an unreal amount of time to do this)
b) Would only be a partial solution, people frequently using different IPs would not be affected.
c) Cookies may contain sensitive data, the coding would have to be airtight in order to protect member privacy. (Depends on how the counting system works, really)
d) (referring to (C)): free plausible Trojan viruses for everyone!
e) When people occasionally reset their browsers (i.e.- reset cache and cookies), it should flush this cookie. This may lead to the site distributing re-prints of cookies and counting multiple times for each computer.

Basically there's no good solution to this while maintaining the site's theme of "anyone can join with nothing but a password." Many solutions just aren't plausible in the desired, near-perfect state. That, and it could be a nightmare to code, albeit I'm going to admit I have no idea how easy/ complex the coding portion would be considering I only know Java.

The topic at hand put aside, let's look at the reasoning behind it.
Why do we need an accurate member counter?
Is a bigger member counter not encouraging to newer members, wanting to jump on the bandwagon?
Anyone who's been here for a day can tell that the member count is off, so it's always been more for show than accuracy. Besides trying to solve a nearly unsolvable problem, it really isn't that much of a deal. So what, we have an incorrect number in the top right corner of the site, big whoop.
What's surprising is that people actually take that thing seriously.

I'd like to take the time to remind people:
The OP left NINE MONTHS ago from this thread, and probably the site. While it's acknowledged as a *small* problem with the site's coding, there's just no plausible way to fix it without getting a loophole of some sorts. While it would be probable to just let this discussion drop, it's up to you all, really.

Discussion is still semi-relevant because people still seem to care about it, as well as the fact that some people are still unaware that the number is inaccurate. I mean, hit counters were never made to keep track of membership; that's just what we ended up labeling it.

It might be more appealing to have the one we have now, but it's also misleading. But again, it's a superfluous enough problem that we don't really need to solve it with any amount of urgency. The discussion is not about the importance of it, but the possibility of fixing a minor issue.

RAMBLINGS BELOW - SKIP TO THE TL;DR

There's no solution to people who use different static IPs (in different locations, like at home and at a school library or something), even if the cookie idea solves the problem of dynamic IPs (making it an issue of "per computer" rather than "per IP"). At least, not one that wouldn't require manual user input or identification.

We used to have a guestbook, actually. Tsuki had to manually sort everyone by location though, and that got tedious enough that we just stopped using it altogether. But again, this doesn't account for leaving members.

List of problems with the current system:
-transient member population resulting in accumulating inaccuracy
-dynamic IP addresses
-multiple computer usage

Somehow this should be solved in one fell swoop without implementing an account system. The only thing I can think of is using the cookie system with an automated guestbook? But that's...essentially an inefficient account system.

I guess with the site format it's destined to never have a true member count, considering membership is extremely transient and open as it is.

tl;dr, Conclusion: alternative solutions to the member count are not possible with this site's format.

Final word on this issue, I swear.

Let's just do it this way, as an option.
A link at the top, right hand corner, where you can, based on IP, Router IP, and possibly HDID, a name input where it acts sort of like a Guestbook. All it does, is when you enter a name, it saves your name in a list, that is public to everyone.

It'll have a number to the side, assigned to the amount of people who have already entered their name. First person is 1. It'll look like this.

1. Name.
2. Name.
3. Name.
4. Name.
5. Name.

Plus every possible way to make it where unless you get a new router, computer and HDID, you can only do this 1 time, but can edit your name on the list. But it still stays on the name number. Same position.

Plus a program/coding of sorts to disallow having the use of proxies on it.

This way, we'll have a slightly more accurate, but optional member count with names.

^That way just limits the number of repeated members just coming back, and using a different name. It'll happen from time to time, but not as much.

>>38 The problem that doesn't solve is transient membership, as in, members that leave. It would happen a lot - someone would join, get really fucking excited, sign their name, and then not make the commitment to stay a real member for more than a week. That's where much of the hit count comes from, really.

>>40
Every site has people like that, so there is never any true way to count how many we actually have on. Only "Active posts and posters", from the same people, that you base it from.

i think the same thing

oh an i have been a member for two months so yeah a little thing like this would be great

fully agree on this x3

Bump

you can tell by the amount of intros that there have been at least 1000 members, but many come and go, some forget, some aren't active, others double post their intros, some post other types of intros, etc.but with all that aside there are at least 1,000 dollars or at least that many that have been introduced into this organization.

i agree with this that way if we have accounts we can use them on our protable devices rather then only on the computer or laptop.Sometime i think its better to get like alerts if someone is messaging you/me or writing on our threds, rather then having to look it up which takes for ever.

I Have Just Re-read all the past post and.....
what the hell is wrong with people complaining and trash talking. im mean if you dont like the idea then just ignor it or gtfo cuz as DOLLARS we are suppost to be helping others not putting them down for their suggestion. Agian If your gonna hate then dont even use this site it you dont know what it mean to be a real DOLLAR. just because its base on an anime, no one is forcing you to be here so if your just there to trash talk and do other stupid things on here then idk whats your point of even being here. WE ARE DOLLARS!!! think about it why you are here.

>>48
Got another type of White Knighting kid who doesn't know how things are done here.

is that suppost to insult me? im mean come on look at your self first. if i really dont know anything it should be you.
yea i may have just join this org. but it isnt because im here to do what you want me to do. sorry but insult me all you want it would just make you look like the idiot. i think you should go and think about what a Dollar is, because by the looks of it, it seems like your just here to insult people and look cool.

i think this would be a good idea but its just my opinion and if this does or doesnt happen i really dont mind

>>50
Actually a DOLLAR is whatever a person wants to be. You're just some fanboy/fangirl, trying to make us all act nice because you say "A dollar is supposed to." The fact is, if you're too lazy to read the FAQ, which is basically our rules, we don't have to be nice to you just because you want us to.

If you're too lazy to learn how things are done, why should we go out of our way to ACT how you want us to act?

We have certain ways in which we post/act.

ummmm no im not a "fangirl" who is a crazy fan or anything i am just my self. if you say that then i suppose i can say anyting i want as well but to be honest and to make things clear im not those crazy anime people who pretends to live an anime life. im just a normal person who likes anime. and the reason i am here is to help people and not just be here to do stupid things. if you think i am "Lazy" then go ahead im okay with that. i can careless of what people think of me. also im not here to boss people around im just here to state my opinon, bossing people around is just a waste of time. so talk all you want this world can be filled with alot of people like that and im pretty used to it by now. xP MUAHAHAHA

>>54
It doesn't matter what you're here for, or what you want, or think. You need to start basing how you fucking post on here, around the FAQ, or else you're not going to stay here too long. That is all I'll say on the matter.

Bump

I agree the leader should keep track of the people in the dollars but unless there aren't that bad or just join then it should be fine i guess

>>57 Most people who join aren't bad people...
A select few are just a bit bitchy. Which would then make me wonder why such antisocial people want to be apart of a site centered on being respectful & social... Buuut whatever!

>>58 because apparently youve been here long enough to know what this site is truely about.

>>59
I've been in this world long enough.
What, you disagree? You think everyone here is filled with smiles and rainbows on the inside? Or do you think everyone's bad? I was disagreeing with Aria because I believed generally the Dollars are nice people. Feel free to argue whatever point you have to prove me wrong.