I've been here for quite a while now, lurking under a different name, and I see an incredible amount of rudeness and really mean-spirited behavior coming from the "older" members towards new members. Really, it's terrible. Alright, someone posts a thread where it doesn't belong. So what, someone mentions something about wanting to make the Dollars a bigger thing. That doesn't give the "older" members who have "been here longer" to swear at them, curse them out. They're just newbies. Just because they made a mistake because they didn't know too much about this site doesn't give you a license to be as rude as I've seen.

Now, a suggestion--instead of saying "JESUS CHRIST THIS DOESN'T FUCKING BELONG HERE," try "Do you mind not posting this in the main?"

How about that, everyone?

Responding in order of grievances.

>people posting in wrong boards

We have made countless efforts to make it painfully obvious where things are to be posted. We have a FAQ thread that contains descriptions for each of the boards, we actually had to request board descriptions at the top of each thread from the Admin himself, and we have so far added 12 new boards to make things more organized since the site's conception.
The fact someone is new does not give them free rein to step all over those attempts at basic organization, and frankly, it became insulting a long time ago.

>Talking about making the Dollars a bigger thing

We aren't against that. Hell, we encourage it. You misunderstand where the anger comes from - most if not all of these people imply that we aren't something that is real and tangible, like we are some sort of cheap fan site. And in fact, that is what half our members come here expecting - a half-assed fansite for Durarara that can pander to their weeaboo expectations. But we aren't. So we make that known.

>older members abusing seniority

You imply that we expect our opinions to be respected higher than others. We don't. The fact that we've been here a long time means absolutely nothing in the face of logic and reason.


We've long since abandoned fruitless pleasantries because they simply don't work. Positive reinforcement only encourages further mistakes. We've been over this countless times in the past, and I can't be arsed to cite examples at the moment.

I really don't understand how sensitive and truly childish some of the "new members" are here.

Since >>2 addressed everything I would have said. (I'm assuming so, I didn't read it all)

What's everyone's issue with swearing? I sometimes forget how sensitive people are.

Fuck.

Being a newer thread lurking member as well, i have also noticed some of these things going on, but i do understand where the "older" members are coming from. they do try and make things like where to post and what has already been posted clear for the newer member, but when something comes up EVERY DAY, then it can lead to frustration and loss of patience. i'm not defending some of the things that are said by the older members, but i am not nearly as offended by them as most new people are.

In short, there may be room for improvement for the way that older members handle the actions of the new members, but they are not just saying these things to be assholes.

>>4 At least you get it I guess... We're not like "Oh? Somebody posted something stupid on main, lets go cuss them out to make them feel bad about themselves! *Jumping High Five*"

Also maybe >>2 didn't explain this to where people could easily understand, sometimes when we try to be nice, people ignore it. They're like, "Well they didn't rage at me, it must have not been a big deal." Which isn't the case...

>>5 yeah, like i said, i understand how repeated errors in how the site works can lead the constant users to get irritated and in most cases they are not being mean or anything although they may seem like it. very rarely (meaning only like once) have i ever seen something that made me say to myself "well, he didn't have to be such a prick about it....." and it's only those cases that i would say "need improvement". otherwise i'm fine with the way the older members behave.

>>6 It was most likely me, huh.

Alright, for me to jump in. Well, Misuto addressed everything. So nothing I can really say, just that, if you expected the Dollars to not have blunt people, then you can leave now. I, along with others, will not sugar coat shit for you just because you are apart of this site. We will treat you the same as we would any other, or at least that's how I see it. You gain respect, you don't automatically earn it, and most new people don't gain it, because they don't read around, they don't actually earn my respect.

I dunno, that's just my two cents on why I'm always blunt, and seemingly mean, because I treat others the same, I'm not, "treat newbies like they're fucking babies, treat the rest the same", I'm "treat everyone the same, don't stand up for any type of bullshit", but so far, not one old member has given much bull shit, well actually, maybe some. I have a somewhat bad memory.

Yes, this post was probably fragmented, feel free to point it out.

>>7 lol, most likely, but i don't hold it against you at all.

Huh... Almost everything I could have possibly thought of in response, was covered in less than ten posts. Guess my work here isn't needed.

It's always me, I'm known as the most blunt, abrasive, etc member on this site. But it's because I care about the site, not for you guys though! Just kidding, slightly.

>>11 which is why i don't hold anything that is said by the older members against them at all. there's a reason they've stayed on so long and a reason behind what they say. it's like i said, room for improvement? maybe. do i feel it's a horribly big concern that absolutely must be dealt with? not really.

>"I've been here for quite a while now..."

In order of my reactions...

Amusement: He spent "a while" here and instead of trying to help moderate to put some effort forth himself to fix the problem, you chose to complain?

Resignation: Oh man, another one of these threads? Has it really been that long since the last white-knight fag decided we were doing it wrong, and we in turn asked them to try their hand at it?

Dismissal: After reading the content provided in OP's post, I have come to the conclusion that no fucks were going to be given about this thread. Doesn't have the fortitude to complain with their own name, would rather complain than do something about it themselves, claims to have been here a while but doesn't understand basic concepts of the site, etc. etc.

Default response: If you think its done wrong, we invite you to help do it as well. Its not like there is a minimum-time limit for you to jump in and give a shit about the site's organization and what not.

And you aren't the first person to complain. You also wouldn't be the first person to try and help, if you so desire. You know what happened to all the other people who were like you and took our challenge to help?

They are the people you're complaining about now.

So, in conclusion.

tl;dr - OP is a white knighting faggot. If he wants things to change, we invite him to make an effort himself rather than bitch about it - Everyone gets a chance to prove themselves. Until OP makes an effort himself, no fucks are being given. When OP makes an effort himself, fucks will be given in accordance to how successful OP is.

If minimum level of fucks are not given, or if OP gives up, or if OP never tries in the first place, then OP is then considered a dumbshit and this complaint goes down into the archives of other whiny punks who couldn't, or wouldn't, stand up for their own beliefs and/or morals.

/thread

i think ive been gone long enough (or haven't been lurking long enough/ or just completely redundant) to ask what does OP mean?

herp.

im an old member and i really dont do that to new ppl!!! thats disgusting

>>14 Original Post

But what about Tsuki?....He reacts in a thread like Out raging....like here

http://dollars-bbs.org/main/res/1321835823.html

>>17 Tsuki's reactions, though although extreme, are completely rational.

People pay attention to Tsuki? I always thought his reactions were so over the top that people just skipped his posts.

Okay, yeah. Tsuki rages all over the place, but as Umbra pointed out - He hasn't done it in a situation where he was wrong about what he was raging at.

I honestly didn't know people took him seriously still, I usually find his reactions kind of hilarious. Like dropping a glass of milk and committing ritual suicide as punishment.

>>15 This is the second time I've seen you post here.

Oh and Ryumora, if you haven't, read the entire thread, it actually explains our grievances in full detail. It's something that if you actually go to this site everyday, would actually see, everyday.

Personally varied responses makes me have a warm fuzzy feeling that we really are diverse.

Dollars be apart if you want, if you want to change things make the change, if not then dont do anything.

Dollars is like life

Dont whine and complain be the one to help others, instead of trolling with diff accounts, as ghandi says "Be the change you want in others".

SO help those guys out be one of the ones to make fun but lay in the facts straight like oh Misuto just likes making huge posts its his thing, but he is right in bla bla bla, point out specifics in the way someone types and then help ease in that what they did was wrong anyways. Shit like that dont go and put this in suggestions, because i think this is like for site shit. Mael does this well and posts with misuto and mael usually end up having a good feel to it.

Real talk Misuto dude use like the microsoft word summarizer on your posts man -_- i more or less just read the verbs and skim the nouns in order to save time lol

Poor Misuto, no one ever reads his posts.

God fucking damnit

I wrote that post rushed in less than 2 minutes, because I was going out somewhere. It wasn't even intended to be long-winded, and it didn't seem unreasonable at all to read.

You insult me, admiral. I don't write my posts for goldfish.

Pahaha, the funny thing is, Ayanavi's post is longer than Misuto's this time.

I know i wasnt specifying this posts, its just in threads where i see like 6 of your essay replies. I know they mean well and have awesome explanations but just like use a summarizer, lol gold fish maybe not, but I dont think you intended to type them for elephants either :P

I type in generally stream of consciousness, albeit with more organization, and with as much clarity as possible because I'm stating a god damned point. Summaries are made for people that don't really give a fuck about what is being said, and I won't reduce my opinions to such things because disinterested people lack the attention span to keep up; on top of that, if the people that don't want to read through it don't give a shit in the first place, why should I?

I can leave a tl;dr at the end of my posts from now on, if you'd like. It would completely butcher the content of my statements, and more than likely, people will draw incorrect conclusions and uninformed opinions based on that shortened statement. I mean sure, let's see how that goes.


tl;dr - Fuck it I type as long as I want

>>28

Misuto has abandoned all logic and reason and has resorted to cursing and swearing at us!

Quick, he's trolling now! Everyone ignore the troll! He's lost to his rage and selfish nature!

Since i dont feel like going to the desc thread n typing this out since its already being used right here, what does tl;dr mean

Too Long; Didn't Read.

As you've probably figured out, its used to sum up long posts with the gist of the feeling behind the wall of text.

Thanks. N no, i didnt figure that out, then again i didnt take the the time. I dont really know why im even telling you this.. im going to stop typing now

All legit points have been made. In summary as to how/why: A severer burn from an ember causes more consideration on how to work with fire.
Keep in mind, there are "older members", like Kaori, who are always very kind, even in the face of all the dumbassery.

True true....What about that one....Shinigami sama was it?

>>34 ...

...

...Thanatos?

Thanks Misuto lol at times when i do have the time i do read but like when its 2 am and i still wanna check up on threads my attention span escapes me, or when i am about to go somewhere. I wonder... this thread might need to be bumped constantly so we dont need to reexplain -BUMP-

^35 ....YEAH Thantos. that's the one. Keep forgetting

I.. I... What.

>>38 Apparently you and Kaori are the nice older members... congrats?

What about this? Older members, leave the welcoming or the correcting to the newer members who are a little used to it. At least, they can handle the nuisance because they haven't got annoyed by it.

>>39 No, I got that. It's the "shinigami-chansansamakundesu" thing.

>>40 What newer members? Last I checked it was completely the old members doing the correcting, with the occasional newer one who tries for about a week and then gives up. If we do as you say, we're going to have massive gaps where nothing gets corrected and we sink further into a pile of unorganized shit.

>>40 i dont think the older members should NOT be allowed to make corrections for the newer people just because they experience the human emoiton of frustration, lol.
>>42 i've been here for about a week, been trying to help out with the organization of the site a little, hopefully i can last longer than that

>>40
>leave the welcoming and correcting to the newer members
Fuck that mess, you would become as bitter and full of rage as all of us in less than a week. Also this site would go to shit if we all stopped doing our part. Now don't get me wrong, I think its great when newer members actively try to help keep the site clean, but leave it all to them? I don't think so.

>>43 You're doing great for only having been here a week.. Some people who have been here for a while are still being idiots.

>>44
Mael is absolutely right. I joined the Dollars at least 3 or 4 months ago. Shortly after joining, I decided to join the effort in maintaining and organizing the site. When I started, there was a distinct difference in the way I corrected proletariat in the Countries board compared to how older members reacted, *insertnamehere* for example. Raging and cursing and generally bing pissed off. Now, as you can tell, I'm an advocate of CAPLOCK, bold and insults to deter deviant behavior. I noticed beige nice, sugar coating and forgiving did little to halt spam, duplicates and general idiocy. It was through observing *insertnamehere*'s effectiveness that helped bring out my inner rage. I'm actually not that rude or mean IRL, but there is a time abd place to get aggressive and offensive. I'm not one go can keep being kind towards repeated offenses due to general stupidity and ignorance.

>>43
And it is true, you are doing great. Good luck keeping from becoming like some of us. If you can keep a gentle front and optimistic attitude, more power to you.

All of my approval for Kumo. Your existence gives me hope that not all new members are failures who must be eradicated.

It gives me great, shining, bright, warm hope.

And if you betray that hope I will hunt you down and tear your lungs out through your anus so that I can sew them onto your shoulder blades using your own hair and hang you from the entrance in warning for all those who may approach henceforth.

Keep up the good work!

I just recently joined a few days ago, I was just warned once about duplicate posts my first day, I'm trying to be careful now.

Don't worry too much about it, Raix. As often as it happens, getting raged at for doing that kind of thing is practically an initiation rite for this site...

If you carry on and take it heart, you become an awesome contributing member of the community.

If you don't, you either leave - Constantly lurk - Or flee to the chatrooms, and no more fucks are given.

...So I guess you could consider it a secondary welcome to the BBS. Your move now!

Alright, well nonetheless I hope I can do some good for the dollars. I'll try helping out with the posts and things.:)

>>49
Don't bite off more than you can chew. Learn through observation and you will do fine; fuck up and receive the rage. Your desire to help (and a little common sense) is all you need.

I'll keep that in mind.

Oldfags vs Newfags. Hurr Durr.

Good lord, google duplicate threads to see if any forums suffered the same problem as us, I'm somewhat new to the internet and haven't been in a lot of forums, actually I've only been in like 5, and lo and behold lots of forums suffering the same problem. Dunno if all of the newbies have been to any of these forums before or not, if not then I sorta understand this new concept of Duplicate threads shit, but if they have been to any of the afflicted forums, they need to realize we're a forum too, and we also get pissed at duplicate threads. No, our pissed off-ness is double that because all of the other forums have fucking merging and deleting, we have none of that. So yeah, just wanted to share this piece of useless shit. Whatever.

>>44 and >>45, thanks for the compliments and >>46, i wouldn't expect any less.

>>42 >>43 >>44

No!! Sorry, I didn't mean it by that. What I wanted to say is that if the older members can't handle, let the... (IDK the term) not-so-old-and-not-so-new members do it but NOT leave the responsibility to them. It's like, they're not sick of it yet but they can still handle the pressure.

Trust me. It has been 2 weeks since I joined the Dollars and I always visit this site. I try to welcome new members in the introduction and even give them the link to the F.A.Q.s so that they won't make any mess. :)

And one more thing, why don't we AVOID USING BAD WORDS. That's the FIRST STEP to gaining respect. Trust me, when I joined the Dollars, I first read the F.A.Q.s and was kinda offended by the bad words. It's not so... welcoming. :| [It's better to tell the truth than to lie behind your back.]

This is the real world, there is no sugar coating, at least for me. If you can't handle a cuss word, especially on the internet, well, deal with it is all I can say.

I tried to avoid using the "Freedom of Speech" thing, but I'll use it anyways, just to be a dumbass. I have the rights of Freedom of Speech, you gonna deny me that? Sorry, I just wanted to get that out.

>>55 yeah, i'm not like trying to "take control" or anything, but if i see an out of place thread or something, i'll let the poster know. only takes a few seconds and lets the older members not rage on them too hard. aside from that, i just sort of lurk.

Ahem...

Fuck.

That is all, carry on.

>>59 Watch your tongue you two-faced harlot, or so help me I will have the Internet's politeness authorities on your ass!

>>60 Fuck.

Come at me bro.

I got a solution...ahemm...

>>1 - >>61

MORTAL!!!!! COMBATTTT!!!!

>>62
*KOMBATTTT!!!!

Holy shit, guys, miracles CAN happen! Check out this newb.

I already knew miracles can happen when Kumo said he was a week old and he already patrolled and police the site.

>>63 I did it for copyright safety incase they crash this site for me using it as a comedic reference XD lol

^ just an excuse

>>61 Such abhorrent language belongs in the farthest reaches of the known interwebs, and is to come nowhere near the good, sensible members of such an outstanding community, lest our feelings by trampled upon like so many daisies!

You offend my gentlemanly honor, good sir. I dare say a duel is in order. Have at you! (/o`A'o)/

You are no gentleman!

I asked for a dual with sir Pintapau; get back in the kitchen so I can ignore your clearly more rational train of womanly thought like a proper gentleman!

Dude, Rule 499

>>71 lol. just lol.

Damn it Aya, I go to sleep and come back and find that you've stolen my exact response.

Then again, I wouldn't mind the side-order of crazy. What the hell are you doing Misuto?

Sigh =.=

>>71>>72>>73>>74 Oh man, I lol'd so hard...

>>81 Anyway, I can see that you feel your point hasn't gotten across. Let me explain this in a more...to the point manner.

Ahem, You are by no means the first person to suggest this. What I'm curious about, is what your problem with cursing is? Does it physically hurt you? Does it mentally hurt you? Does it make you cry? Does it make your left pinky toe smell like sewage water? No it doesn't do any of that. They are just words, and we use words to express emotion. Granted they may be bad words, but that doesn't mean that they don't effectively express the emotion that we are trying to get across to you. Using foul language may be childish when it is used indiscriminately, like if someone was just like, "Fuck fuck fuck fuck my balls cunt cock dick faggot". But used properly in a coherent sentence, is a completely different story. People need to get used to the fact that this is the internet, Deal with it.

>>80 true story ._.

And a lot of words may seem foul and bad and offensive to some when it is normally not to others. Like troll. I find that fucking offensive. I'm not an ugly mythological creature! I am a fucking human being, that's so fucking offensive. See right there?

Catheleya, foul words were only made foul by humans, they are no means defaulted as bad words, anyone can label anything as bad, but somehow, in some way, those words were made popular as bad words and so everyone in the entire world straddled along with the whole "Oh these words are so freakin' bad, we shouldn't use them anymore".

I haven't gotten that bad of a reaction yet :/ If it's really obvious that something should be somewhere else, though, it should be the user's responsibility to know that. A person shouldn't post until they've explored the site and know this. If they decide against doing that first, then fine, get cussed off. It's their own fault and they have no right to complain.

Sure, being respectful is fine, but half the time they're just assholes back even if you don't use foul language. Might as well us it up front in the first place.

>>85 use* I can't type for my life today =.=

>>85 "Sure, being respectful is fine, but half the time they're just assholes back even if you don't use foul language. Might as well us it up front in the first place." This. All of this.

>>85 Amen.

>>85 You have earned respect from me with that. It's nice to know that more members understand where we're coming from.

>>85 You're my favorite newbie now.

>>85 Nicely done! You've achieved acceptance from the regulars lol.

XD I love you guys lol

>>92 it would appear they love you too :P

Agreed. even if a dollar has been here for a while and thinks of him or herself as a veteran persay, we should warmly welcome newcomers because everyone was new at some point in time.

>>94 You didn't read the entire thread, did you.

i think because there vet they'd be more than willing to help out the newbies

The reason that they are that way is because they no longer have the patience to deal with you people. Get over it and get on with your life. If you dont like it you can go somewhere else

>>96 ... =o=

"You'd think that, because they are veteran members, they would be more than willing to help out the newbies."

That's my assumed translation of that post.

Barabi, Kumo and Beltove are all new. With the exception of Beltove, none of them got attacked on sight.

Why? Because they are intelligent and didn't derp all over the boards.

Beltove got fussed at because his first action was apparently white knighting, but his opinions are respected and the majority of us are pretty cool with him now - Especially since he took the challenge of helping out himself. In other words, he took from the fussing some lessons and has been pretty awesome since.

...What about the rest of you people? If you got fussed at once, did you take it to heart and avoid doing something stupid again? Or did you just go derp somewhere else?

>>98 sorry BarabiSama i'll adimt im not the brightest but I make good points

>>100 Well, we feel we don't really need to help anyone because 1)It's laid out all for you, the board descriptions, the header on Main, everything. 2) It's an internet etiquette to actually lurk around instead of post on site. 3) Even if they need help, all they could've done was read the FAQ, which connects with #2 about lurking first.

Now refute all of those, I dare you.

Drake is 13 however, so it is understandable if he doesn't have internet experience yet. Lurking, internet etiquette, etc.

The important thing to remember is that if you have a question - the FAQ thread is there for you. If it isn't already answered, it can be asked there.

And we aren't mean to hurt you personally - Its just to encourage you, and others, to not remake the mistake we're fussing about in the first place. Ignore the insults, and see if you understand what was done wrong - Then take it to heart and avoid it in the future.

Welcome to Dollars.

This is parenting. Drake, you are the child. Get the metaphors?

There are some annoying new members... like demanding shit... -__- i saw like 2 threads or so... hmm oh well i like how it is.

Its like Good Cop bad cop, weed out those who cannot stay in the kitchen thats on fire EVEN THOUGH I TOLD HER TO MAKE ME A SAMICH GOD DARGNET!!!

yes sir and ok but i'll try to help and if you want i'll talk to the new members

>>105 I believe you are one of said new members, as well. [Which I technically am, too, but I like to think that I don't fit into the 'annoying' category.]

Let's all just get used to the site and not hold any grudges. Learn the guidelines and you'll do fine.

>>107 You are a godsend among new people. If only god sent more people like you, I'd be content and less ragey.

I can only send so many people, insertnamehere. Don't be greedy.

Lol >>109 Thank you >>1 im new here and have been posting somethings like that and people have been cursing me out

>>110 You haven't read the whole thread, have you.

>>102 i must be honest, i duped a thread day one but did not get raged at, still though, NEVER AGAIN.

Kumo, why the fuck would you make a duplicate thread? After everything we did to stop that from happening, you went and did it anyway?! God Kumo, I am so disappointed.

Fuck fuck crap damn shit fuck god why more cursing here.

There you go, you have had the newbie experience. Welcome to Dollars.

>>113 sweet. and now that i have been raged at, i will continue on with my life, become a better person for it and prevent further errors from happening.

They grow up so fast...

I'm crying. Sob sob. Tears. God, I love this.

I've made a duplicate thread before. I'm pretty sure insert attempted to tear me apart about it, but then I just apologized and deleted my post and went on with my life. I don't see why these kids have to be so goddamn dramatic about it.

Because they're in their rebel stage of their life, where they're like "Man, fuck teachers, parents, any authority figures" etc. Or at least it seems that way to me.

>>118 Ikr. They need to just suck it up and move the fuck on. Oh boo hoo I read a slightly hurtfull message on my post..... I'm gunna go hang myself now. ... It's just getting annoying now. If they tried actually following rules for once maybe we wouldn't be correcting them all the time.

Exactly. If we didn't correct them, this site would be tottaly dis organized and clutterd. It's not like we have somebody to go around deleting the stuffin the wrong places. We just have to deal with it. So its more of a preventing act for otherw who read it to realise that doing somthing wrong isn't taken to kindly here.

Name: Anon !Mjk4PcAe16 : 2011-11-25 15:39 ID:CuPKHNTg
Name: Bro !VENk5mkP7Y : 2011-11-25 15:42 ID:CuPKHNTg

Why you do, anonbro?

>>118 I'm only a few years older than most of them, and I don't act like that!

>>122 That's because you are better than them.

>>123 Still, their age can't excuse them, you know?

>>123 evidence of bad parenting skills :P

Eh, I remember when I went through that rebel phase of my life. It died quickly though.

>>125 This. All of this.

>>125 XD I wish I could agree, but my brother was an asshole, and my mom raised him the same way she raised me lol

Well, males are more likely to become rebels? I dunno, and I'm too lazy to look up and research.

I wouldn't doubt it :O
I loved Forte's reaction when he realized I was a girl.

But com'on. I like to think that Barabi is an obvious girl's name ><

i was referring to the refrence on either an earlier post or different thread (too lazy to look for which one it is) where the senior members were a metaphor for parents and the newbs for children, and when insert says "you're better than all of them" i was saying he had bad parenting skills. the other way works too though.

Maybe it's the sama.

>>121 Cuz I had two points to make bro o3o~

>>131 I think I made that metaphor, in which case, yes I'm a bad parent, haha.

>>133 make them as the same person bro, agreeing with yourself as a pretend other person makes you look desperate or crazy.

>>131 What, does that make me the favorite daughter or something? XD

maybe. god. now i can see the older members going all godfather and handing out favors on the day of your wedding.....lol

>>137 Implying we don't already do that.

>>138 shhhhhhh. we don't need the "bad children" to know this.

>>130

I missed this event, link it for my amusement immediately.

>>140 http://dollars-bbs.org/main/res/1322247067.html
Too lazy to link it, sorry.

>>141 thread there made me lol, commented on it as well.

>>142 I know. Tsuki just... Jesus XD That was so wrong but so funny. I bumped other threads to kick it off the front page as to not deal with the stuipdity that was leaking from it, though. I was afraid it would infect the other threads on the Main lol

>>143 lol, good thinking

>>143 S-T-U-P-I-D-I-T-Y*
I feel like an idiot for spelling that wrong xD

you only misplaced two letters right next too each other, lol

Oh, shush lol It just killed my point

:| It looks like I missed something fun....

Also
>mfw Barabi was a girl.

>>148 Yes, you did
And,
>>149 Yes, I am XD

How did you find out?

>>151 Was that sarcasm, or did you completely miss the past twenty posts?

Im dead serious .-.
i skimmed, most of what i read was something bout bad kids n insert being a horrible parent n ya.

>>153 YES!!!!! it seems my posts are the only ones important enough to retain from skimming :P

Pff now i wanna go back n read em all

>>155 doesnt matter, because mine still stand out :D

>>130 This.
>I wouldn't doubt it :O
>I loved Forte's reaction when he realized I was a girl.

XD It was right before that that we started talking about it lol

There's a URL to the hilarious thread where that originated somewhere near that post. I think it's around >>141 . You should read it, just because you can.

>MFW Barabi is a girl.
This always happens to me. It doens't help that I assume that everyone on the internet is a guy.
Damn you, 4chan.

ZOMG.
How many of you thought I was a guy!?

>>160 I think it's hilarious how many people did.

>///< Shut up!
You guys make me feel like more of a tomboy than I already know I am.

It's alright, though lol I've had my fair share of gender mistakes. It's just weird when so many people were convinced I was a guy xD

>>160 rule 16 barabi

>>164 Do I even want to know?

>>165 rule of the internet number 16: there are no girls on the internet.

II figured you were a chick, but figuring doesnt do to much when you dont got proof

>>166 Oh, yes, sorry. I forgot about that.
TRUTH IS, I'M JUST A FIGMENT OF YOUR NERDY IMAGINATIONS.
But shhh don't tell anyone.

damn. figures that one of the only newcomers who know what they're doing is an imaginary friend our subconscious created

>>170 *nods* Yep. Sorry 'bout that.

well, if it's all the same to you i'm going to plead insanity and continue treating you like you're there

>>171 That's fine with me :O In fact, I'd prefer that. It's always nice to have someone who really believes in you. Just, you know. Being a nonphysical being that lives in the internet, that doesn't happen much, you know? ;o;

>>172 i see.non-existent figures have feeling too. i'll do that then.

>>105->>173

Damn it soo many posts after i slept, jeez guys leave me out again will ya lol.. -__- but seriously do you guys not go out or sleep or make out with your pillow girlfriend?? hahaha 68 posts since i slept

>>174 no, i gave my pillow girlfriend plenty of loving....

>>173 A considerate socially deprived internet obsessed male who actually cares about us non existent female figures of their imagination!? *glomps* ;o; /finallyfeelsunderstood

>>174 And did you read through said posts? Oh, yeah. Timezones. That's all I can say. In fact, I should probably be headed to sleep soon :/ I'm going to procrastinate on it, though.

>>176 a compliment and an insult in one. i'm ok with that. lol

Your time zone better be pretty far from mine, because sleeping anytime before 2am is a sin.

>>177 I was joking XD
>>178 No, I'm one of those weirdos that goes to sleep before ten and then wakes up at five... Sorry. <---morning person

>>179 i know, but i'm one of those smart asses that responds to a joke with sarcasm

>>180 I figured as much :O

Jesus. I love how this was originally a complaint thread and now we're just using it as a conversational. I especially enjoy seeing the " 'JESUS CHRIST THIS DOESN'T FUCKING BELONG HERE,' " part. It's so welcoming <3

hmmm. could somebody rage over here about the conversation not belonging? yes. probably.

I personally don't mind the new conversation, as it is STILL better than the OP.

>Thread complaining about angry members.
>Angry members use it as their personal chat thread.

Oh man...

It's sort of like pissing on a grave of someone you really didn't like. We're stomping all over this dead thread that insulted the older members by talking with them and amongst ourselves :O I like it.

>>183 Exactly.

wait a minute...the uptight rage nazi that are the older members approve of the misuse of this thread? nothing seems to be wrong with that to me.

*nazis

Ironically, the only thing rage has happened over was misplaced or duplicate threads.

Threads going completely off topic rarely gets any complaints.
From anyone.

I just don't question it anymore...

>>188 yeah thread is off topic now thread is now answered wayyy earlier with misuto mael and some explanation about making answers more precise, think this should only be bumped once in a while for people to see. It will confuse people

>>189 ...le what? =o= You confuse me, Admiral.

>>190 meaning all that has been said about why "older members" were so mean, has been explained by earlier posts, newer posts aside from bumps will just confuse people. Make a new thread in Random for new random comments Barabi

>>191 Ah, alright. That makes sense. I didn't think anyone would want to refer back to it ^^' Otherwise I wouldn't have posted so much lol

Yes, it does hurt me. :( I think I'm traumatized because of the painful words my brother said before while he was beating me up. But if that's how you really want to express annoyance, frustrations, etc., then fine. I respect you guys. And this is the end of my complaints. I won't bother anymore if you wish to continue.

I agree, but lately I've seen two rediculously bad kids just going around calling everyone "fucking retards" pretty much. Since when did we become a place for all those assholes to hang out and diss/cuss everyone out. Such a waste of a banana really.

>>194 What side are you on? :/ I can't tell.

Either way, everyone needs to learn to read before they post. We do have rules here - follow them and these things won't happen. Mistakes are fine, but when the regulars get frustrated, expect them to cuss everyone out. Don't take it to heart. Don't make hate threads about how you're so mad at them. It's pointless, trust me, because they don't give a damn. They probably laugh their asses off every time one of them is made.

I got cussed out for misplaced and duplicate threads, too, but I moved on with my life. It's silly to dwell and complain so much.

>>Cath, you will have people who will hurt you, see the good things, take the good parts from it, evolve and move. I been called worse got beat up in worst ways.. but its either you let it affect you and it gets worse, or you learn from things and build upon yourself ^~^ thats why the good and bad thing helps. Mimics life but guess what I LOVE YOU ^~^ and so does alot of people <- another lame archadmiral post but i mean it =)

>>193 I see, everyone has their own personal issues but don't ever expect people on the internet to take those into account. Just know, we aren't personally attacking the people on this site with the intent to cause harm. I'm glad you understand the point I made earlier, just know, that we're here to make friends and discuss interests okay? There just have to be some people that keep order or everything will just go to shit. Hope all is well with you're life.

>>194 'ridiculously bad kids' What makes you say that? Also who are you talking about? You may be misunderstanding something lol... Nobody likes to waste bananas.

>>195 This. No fucks are given at any thread like that.

i know...i had that happen to me a few minutes ago >.< im not even new either...i just didnt know where to put a thread i posted, and SOME GUY gets all angry, and calls me names...really...people should just relax. their not hurting anyone but themselves...

Oh you're not new? Then you should already know the View All Threads button, or hell, to even lurk around. Jeez fuck.

The point isn't to hurt anyone. The misconception here is that cursing automatically makes you a terrible person who is out to hurt the feelings of someone else, when generally, people get cursed out for making a mistake.

It's so easy to figure out where to post a thread it's insulting. In fact, most of that is due to members themselves posting guidelines and help topics (FAQ and Description thread) to show members where to post - the fact nobody reads it is a second insult to those efforts.

When someone is insulted twice, is it not justified to be upset? Being new is not an excuse to bypass what should be common sense.

>>199 Didn't read past the first post...

Also...

>Implying you should get preferential treatment because you're not new

Well... This is new.

>>201 They weren't new either. So.

>>199 Loluradumbfuck

>>201 Except that she's not new. Which, as *insertnamehere* said, just makes it worse.

>>199 Dear, complaining isn't going to help anything. They explained that you were wrong. What do you say? "Thank you, it won't happen again." There's no reason to be so immature that you have to go whine to a useless thread about it and insult the person who was trying to help you.

>>206 well, maybe not "thank you" but i think even a simple "that's my bad" would do. that's what i've noticed some people do and they dont get raged at or rage about getting raged at

>>207 That is at the bare minimum of my ideas of respect, but because this is the internet and there is no such thing as respect, that will work fine. And, yes, it is a much less time consuming way of reacting because you won't get overly raged at for it.

>>208 i can really appreciate people being respectful, but i think that around here the key is to not be a dick in response and just admit your faults.

>>209 pin-pon! ringringring, you have won the game!
Exactly :O Now if only everyone else could figure that out.

>>207 Honestly, when people apologize or admit that they made a mistake and seek to rectify it instead of just continuing to be stupid, I am extremely polite to them afterwards. Because it shows that they actually acknowledged their mistake, and it really is less likely they would repeat the error afterwards.

well. i can now officially say i raged at a dumbass. but then again, everyone raged at that guy.

>>212 You've come a long way in 208 posts.

>>213 but i didn't rage at someone who didnt deserve it :D

ok, i said i was off for the night, but i need to get one more thing across to the new members that just joined the site today. tommorrow, those who have been dubbed "the regulars" will be back. not all of them are as forgiving/kind as me, umbra, and a few others have been tonight. you will screw up eventually, you will probably be cussed out/raged at by said regulars. please FOR THE LOVE OF GOD do not try to say anything negative back.you will only bring about more rage to yourselves and NOTHING will be solved. if you get raged at, please just say sorry and move on. do not take it to heart, do not be insulted, they do not mean to personally attack you unless you decide not to listen to reason. they have been monitering and caring for the site for over a year now and have dealt with so much error and stupidity that they instantly rage at people because it gets the job done. again, if this happens, PLEASE JUST LISTEN AND DO AS THEY SAY. on that note, good night and good luck.

I like Kumo's post. It makes us look like we're unstoppable rage machines, scary beings who look out for the sake of Dollars-BBS.

And we are.

Well, at least with those who don't fucking listen what others say and insist on being dumbasses. Otherwise we are a nice, smart and funny group of people.

P.D: I like more our old chat name: Le Regulars.

Okay, I admit I posted something pretty stupid on the "News" channel on the Dollars... but I was really just curious...>.0

OOMG so last night was horrible. worst one ive ever seen.

>>218 I looked back on that... It was horrid. I feel for you guys.

Pft, I love their raging
I don't want to seem mean, but I can't help but laugh every time I see one of the older members cursing someone out :D
Especially Tsuki and *insertnamehere*, I have to say, they're f*cking bosses at raging.
To justify, I laugh not to be mean, but because it's JUSTICE HAPPENING!

If last night was really that bad, I have to check it out now, OHOHOHOHO >:D

>>220 well over forty permasaged posts from 9PM-4AM my time. Just this morning we've already gotten another ten that are going to be added to the list.

Why must the noobs be so retarded sometimes sama :/
this is the first out of control saturday ive seen take place, and its just crazy

>>221 Oh yeah, I looked it over a bit, I saw somewhere that it was one person coming back with different names. To be honest, I'm pretty surprised you haven't whipped out a flamethrower and start burning everything/ or started dropping f* bombs everywhere. You must have a godly patience :D And a question, is it all on the main board, because I only found a few there. (under view all threads)

Theyre pretty much everywhere thats commonly visited.

>>223 It's the first board they see when they log in so they automatically think for whatever the fuck reason, "Oh first thing i see, I MUST POST IMMEDIATELY. PEOPLE LIKE MY IDEAS BECAUSE WE'RE FROM THE SAME GROUP AND THEY WON'T BITCH AT ME UNLIKE OUTSIDE THE INTERNET"

>>222 I wish I could answer this. I really, really wish I could.
>>225 This is true.

I agree its better we have a friendly community that works together than a bunch of rouge shitheads.

>>228 But then the site would turn to shit if we were overly nice, because then people would think they can spam EVERYWHERE and they wouldn't get reprimanded.

>>228 Did you read the whole thread before you posted? No, no you did not.

He was infected by the giant monster, kill him now before he infects us!!!!

Something just popped into my head, is shit gonna get worse when/if chat comes back? Oh god.. i dont want to think about it.

>>230 dude who is doing to read something that long

>>233 Someone whose opinion we might just give a fuck about.

>>233 they are telling you to read the key points. Not the whole thing. Dur. Its been explained time and time again in the thread why being nice lil creampuffs doesnt work

>>232 I hope the opposite happens... Let's just send them all back to the chat rooms. Maybe they'll never come back to the BBS once they're back up..? I hope so.

Which reminds me. There were was way too much cybering in those god forsaken things. It is so freakin' awkward when you join a room and walk in on that.

Yeah i know, i ran into it a number of times. Thats why i stopped going to the chat

We're considering using the re-opening of chat as our stage for retaking the chatrooms too.

It's essentially means that when chat comes back up - It's a fresh slate. Run in there, crusade against the sex RPs, force the idiots to consolidate or GTFO entirely, etc.

Remember, the only activities that will be accepted on BBS are the ones that the community approves of. You are the community. If you don't approve, then its up to you, and others like you, to make the change.

That's what community moderation is.

Flash mob? Cool.

I'm all up for this, Ayanavi.

did you guys eat up my comment before the new people got to see it?

Yes.

I like this idea. Is there a way to boot people from chat rooms, by the way?

>>243 only if you're a host.

Er, the host.

i just got here today, i kinda understand, someone almost got mad at me cause i hav no common sence just click on FAQ, i just read the whole thing pretty much 5 minutes ago. haha and the whole booting ppl outa chat, its the dollars, no leader or rules nd stuff like that. if u get cursed at, you can curse right back as long as u keep in mind time will go on , in the end we're all dollars lol...*most cheese post probably* lol

Yeah I know what u all mean it is rude but keep in mind there's hundreds of newbies making the same mistake all at once so don't take it to heart k?:)

haha i got attack cause i put long island on the countries thing...i mean i was curious lol oops

>>248 i didnt attack you. i asked you to use the NY thread.

i just dont post anything..

>>250 the point isnt to scare you off of posting, it's to try to eliminate the mistakes made. lurk around, read the FAQ and just pay attention, and you'll be ok.

thanks

>>253 lololololololololoolol. so true

>>253 XD

kumo, i forgive u for attacking me lol

>>256 that's cool and all, but i still dont consider it an attack

Bump

+Bump+

I agree just now i was reading something about the chat, and there's people asking questions and other people just calling them names. i mean come on it was just a simple question. no need to go crazy just because a newbie ( like me (: ) has a question about the dollars.

Asking questions that havent been addressed or anything before is fine, but if its something that is just as easily in the faq as well as common knowledge, you shouldnt have to ask. People get pissed because they are asked every single solitary day, along with people that contribute nothing but stupidity. Im not calling noobs idiots, theres people who dont get the idea, its those people i call idiots. That have the fandom so stuck in their head that they dont understand anything

Yeah! i remember my first ever post, was something like, hiii im new blah blah blah, and i posted it on the main cuz i thought that's where i'll make the most friends, then WABAM "dont post here!" and i was like D: SSSHHOORRRYYY!!!! D; D; it was scary :(

Well i havent expirienced this this and i have been on this site for a cuple of month.

>>238
This
(still reading all the thread to catch up)

>>262 That's what happens when you don't read around first like you're supposed to. Internet etiquette is a lovely thing.

>>263 that's because you're a badass

>>263 because you pay attention. unlike some people, cough cough >>262

lol i see people hating on *insertnamehere, every noob is scared of Tsuki, hahaha

NOOBS:
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Vote for the scariest and the nicest members, there is already a fav members thread but not scariest.. so was wondering each persons opinions

Who the hell is hating on insert and why.

i saw like at least 9 posts altogether today 3 just saying i agree, and 6 scattered, too lazy to look for 'em -_-

Bitches be trippin.

N00bz need to suck it up, and learn from their mistakes.

Yup

umbra sery have to learn their mistutakes but in a good way not like u do!!!

It is a good one and i agree with it. Learning mistakes in good way is better than the rudely insults..

Then take over. Do our job for us, see if being nice lil marshmallows works.

>>274>>275 I haven't seen you do any actual shit for the site. Until I see you doing this everyday, you have no right to complain about us.

I'm enjoying reading this thread.
But I'll wait until I get home to comment further.

>>274 >>275 Ryu, Aoi, why don't you do it? Come to this website every day. You have to read every single post on every single thread on every single board, 'kay? Old threads, too, if you're new here. Answer every question.

Now, let's use your method of dealing with those who don't follow the rules the community has set out. If a question or thread doesn't belong there, politely explain to them that it doesn't. When they start to defend themselves, how will you react? Continuously explain? What if they don't want to listen? Then what do you do? Be happy muffins and repeat yourselves, over and over again, or be strict and hope they understand? Now, pretend you're a happy muffin. That person thinks they won't get yelled at, just a light slap on the hand, for doing something wrong. So they don't listen to you. They don't read the FAQ and the important threads. They spam your boards and continuously ask the same thing. They post the same thread in every board.

Now imagine this happening with two hundred different people.

Now imaginge about half of those people spamming your boards three times a day or more.

Now imagine having been here for a year. Tell me, now, what you're reaction would be to a misplaced question thread from that same person you were first a kind muffin to who has yet to learn his lesson.

>>279 Now imagine*

>>279 That is perhaps the greatest comment that will ever be posted on this thread.

>>281
The muffins won me over... and made me hungry.

>>279 the muffins reminded me of a joke from history class that made my teacher cry from laughter....and made me hungry. also, a great comment.

Muffins~~

Why the hell haveng this been bump

And now for a googled muffin joke:
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So there's these 2 muffins in an oven.

They're both sitting, just chilling and getting baked.

And one of them yells "God Damn, it's hot in here!"

And the other muffin replies "Holy Crap, a talking muffin!"

>>286 i have heard that joke before. it is epic.
>>285 if you mean "why the hell is this being bumped" it's in hope that new members who feel like they have been somehow wronged by the older members can read it and understand that things aren't personal when they get raged at. this, however, is an off chance because as we can all see by the "gay bullying in Michigan" thread, no one likes to read before they comment on things.

We have a troll being a fucker on Main. I know it is a last resort, but can we get an IP ban? Even so, may not work since I'm fairly sure he is using a proxy.

Shoot an email to Reltair about it, he's usually pretty on these kinds of things.

>>289
Done. That fucker is getting annoying, I have to lurk right now since he keeps posting insults right after each of my posts.

...But divine, that means you have automatically gained a follower to help you bump anything you want.

I fail to see how this is a problem.

>>291
XD

wow, im kinda happy i didnt meet him. i've only been here for a few days, and i've already seen good people and bad people. I just ignore them untill they get on my nerves. then i vent.

>>293 You're lucky that the veterans are taking a break.

Apparently to some people we are "spazzes"

>>294 the veteran members never rest.....not all at once.

Gonna be busy in the coming weeks with work, so this will be a good chance for the "good cops" and newbs to show us what they got. I just hope the Countries Board doesn't go to shit.

Spoiler alert!
Its going to go to shit that you cant poop out

This is an excellent point and I agree entirely. I was hoping this board would be full of pleasant and intelligent people. I was hoping it wouldn't be a "boys club" (don't regard the gender oriented term, you know what I mean!).

Actually I have no clue what you mean by "boys club", this is the first I've ever heard the term.

Also, you didn't read any of the thread beyond post >>1 did you?

>>299 not to mention that average age of the members here are aged 12-20 anyways, with a lot of them falling into the younger category

>>300 Haha no I did not read anything else! 300 posts? yeah right! I guess I would describe the term as a group of people with a common identity that ostracize outsiders/newcomers while being lenient towards members with seniority.

>>301 I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying age is a determinant in the quality of conversation?

Ah... This is why you need to read up more on the thread. If not all of it, at least some of it.

I'll try and sum it up for you - Feel free to browse through it if you're curious on details and what not later.

tl;dr -

The BBS is community moderated and has been for a year, members stepped up to keep things organized and started out pretty nice. As time went by, more and more new members would join with different questions and some duplicate threads started cropping up.

This was expected, it was handled in stride, and the FAQ thread was made to consolidate the answers to all those questions. The duplicate threads were initially handled calmly.

More duplicate threads, more misplaced threads, we took a survey of the members to see what would help them most to know where to post things - Thus, we created and got the admin to implement board descriptions on top of the self-explanatory title of each board. To help people know where to put things.

Fast forward over six months of constant new members joining the site, posting their introductions on main, over 26 "DRRR! Season 2 petition!" threads, duplicate threads when the original was literally only two threads down, and the constant influx of new members who assume that being new gives them a liable excuse to be dumbshits.

Over that period, the people who had stepped up to try and keep order discovered this: Asking politely for things to stop did not work. Being assholes about it and aggressively chewing them out for doing it, did.

If you don't believe that, then feel free to ask ChaCha, PsycheBunny, Sleepology, or any of the other most recent members who have stepped up with the attempt to be pleasant and get people to stop. They are ignored more often than acknowledge, and when acknowledged - they're politeness is ignored and the actions continue.

Moving on...

New members are not flamed unconditionally, or ostracized. The requirements for the unpleasantness are simple: If you cannot follow common sense, learn from mistakes, and/or follow the many informational resources provided to you - And you are directed to them - then you get flamed mercilessly.

Not personally, mind you. I doubt anyone even remembers the names of someone they correct - It's just the most efficient way to do it.

Whether that person is new, as most of them are, or older members is completely irrelevant. If common sense cannot be followed and information checked, they receive the same treatment.

As for the community moderators - The people that are being vicious in their corrections aren't just the older members. In fact, we actively encourage people to step up and attempt to moderate as well if they either take issue with how things are done, or believe they know the ropes well enough by now to contribute.

People like Kumo, Umbra Serpens, ChaCha, BarabiSama, and probably a few others I've forgotten are in fact new members to the site. The majority of the community moderators are actually fairly new. From the get go, they lurked through the site - got a feel for how things worked, actively thought before they posted, and checked the FAQs. These new members were welcomed warmly and are well liked.

In conclusion - This BBS has no seniority hierarchy. If you make a mistake, you get the exact same treatment as anyone else. The respect you get is derived from the contents of your posts and actions, not how long you've been posting.

If you consistently make mistakes, your post contents are either stupid, immature, or written in a childish manner, then you inevitably will find yourself on the receiving end of negativity at pretty much every turn.

As a side note - Most of the "older" members of the site are actually on break currently due to studying for finals, or other such reasons. We check in, but don't really have the time to help until our studying/finals are over.

>>302 not entirely. though you can not deny that age has an effect on the wants/desires/goals of people who go on to sites such as this one. also to address the "ostracizing of new members" while being "lenient with members who have seniority" it's all addressed in the post. I have to admit your attitude about actually reading the post before you make a comment on how the people treat others on this site sort of bothers me, i will give you an overview.

the members with "seniority" are typically considered to have been the ones who have been here for about a year, when the site was first created. since then, several of them, deciding that they would like the site to be as organized as possible, felt the need to start helping by letting people know of their errors via calm and collected messages. soon they were just ignored, or people did not care enough to actually learn not only from their mistakes, but also the mistakes of others. So the older members decided that one of the best ways to help out with the organization of the site would be to have several changes added to the site. among these are the board descriptions added by the Admin of the site as well as threads like the FAQ, Country Index, Need to know Threads, etc... now, after all of this time with all of these blatant sign and attempt to cut the problem at its root, people STILL IGNORE THEM AND MAKE THESE MISTAKES. some of these members have been dealing with it for months and others for years and all their attempts to help people understand this site before making mistakes have been in vain. this leads to frustration. they have not worked this hard needlessly only to have their efforts be ignored by others. while I do not condone what is said by some members in some cases, i more than understand where they are coming from.

Actually, I amend my statement - some of the current community moderators were actually yelled at for doing something stupid. They learned from their mistakes and went on to be appreciated and very well liked members afterwards.

Everyone makes mistakes, whether you learn from them determines whether or not you are welcomed or not here.

dammit aya, you ninja'd me

I understand exactly what you are saying, Kumo and Ayanavi. Do users have moderator functions? Like locking threads or even deleting?

>>303
Ayanavi's exceptional post is absolutely correct. Allow me to back it up a bit. There's a painfully simple explanation for all the new members that make really stupid mistakes.

They don't lurk first. They discover the site, get all excited, and rush right into posting in their excitement. They're too giddy to stop and think, much less read.

Lurking first is key to gaining acceptance here. (Proper grammar and spelling also don't hurt.) I lurked for four whole months before posting anything.

If we could get the new members to take it slower, much slower, we might actually get somewhere in resolving this problem. Unfortunately, we'd have to get them to actually read something about taking things slow in order to get them to do so. And I think we can all imagine how that would go.

In summation, we're stuck in a viscous cycle and out of alternatives.

*vicious cycle
Sorry about that.

Normal users don't, however Reltair has implemented a moderator interface (check the Updates page) and appointed some moderators.

We don't know who or how many though. Our admin generally keeps a policy of being a ninja.

Ya i noticed that >~> tis a shame. Our bossman could be any one of us n everyone would be none the wiser.

>>196 ... .///.

Thanks, archadmiral. For reminding me that realization. I already know that but I have forgotten, I guess. Thanks. And no, it's not lame.

People like Kumo, Umbra Serpens, ChaCha, BarabiSama, and probably a few others I've forgotten are in fact new members to the site. The majority of the community moderators are actually fairly new. From the get go, they lurked through the site - got a feel for how things worked, actively thought before they posted, and checked the FAQs. These new members were welcomed warmly and are well liked.

I would say this is exactly where I fall in as a newish (been here for a little over a month) person who tries to "moderate" and correct people in getting them to do the right thing and a lot of the time I'm not all that nice about it. However I have no idea if I'm actually liked here or not lol.

bump

I totally agree. We're all people here for similar reasons. "older members" should stop being condescending assholes.

>>315 You didn't read the entire thread, did you.

No, I'm just getting that out there. Feels better.

>>317 Well, that's not what the thread is about.

This thread is largely an explanation for what can be perceived as rudeness. It would serve you well to read the ensuing conversation - it's insightful, whether or not you agree.

>>315 ....lol

Well, my input on the topic, whether it matters or not, Is that I see where both the "newbies" and the older members are coming from. Older members have lost their tolerance for it and the verbal aggression is necessary, but it the same time it offends newer members because they get their asses chewed out for something they weren't even aware was wrong or that big of a deal. I mean it happened to me today. I'm still pretty new, but I've been in the shoes of the older members before too so I totally understand both. But I think it's the situation that offends most, not the language. I personally try not to let people on the internet ruin my day.

and I don't really have time to read the WHOLE thread, so sorry if I repeated someone else just now.

Yeah but it's uncalled for to be called something when people tend to jump to conclusions... and as a newer member I do feel a bit hurt for that.

>>321

Read >>303 as it will sum up everything the best

>>322 im sorry you feel hert D8 we don't....okay maybe we do. It's more like Discipline shows our love for you. It's only to protect you, and if you think that OUR members are mean? Well, you gaiz have a lot more to find out about the internet. We're not quiet as mean, in fact we're just using common sense. Again I at least am sorry 'bout ure feelings :<

^Truth hahahaha.

the chat should stay up

>>326

>skim through first post
>read no ensuing conversation
>expect to contribute anything of worth by responding

Nope.

On top of that, the chat as we knew it is already gone. But not for this reason. This was an unintended side effect.

I love this side effect

>>328
this

First of all, I do want to say that the exposure to the blunt and brutally honest replies that are complained about in the OP are good for the younger people, and/or new people (such as myself). They need to get used to hearing their mistakes called out in a way that spares no expense to their feelings. On the this site, doing something you were told 'not' to do will only yeild a few harsh words so that you can learn from your mistake(s). Now imagine how your boss would react if you did something at work that he/she expressly told you 'not' to do. That would be much worse than a few harsh words.

Secondly, I do want to apologize in advance for potentially restating things that have been said 1,000 times already, or slipping up in a way such as creating a duplicate thread. I have very limited computer acess (and have read up on rules, but may forget), but I would like to help police this site once I have more stable acess.

>>330 Have you ever seen it from the people who have been here for a year? How they've seen many mistakes being made for the same thing? For a year. And then many of us has tried to rectify this problem by setting up stuff like the board descriptions and the FAQ and then to have that ignored. Do you know how that feels for us? Feels like all of the things we've done has been for NOTHING. Please see it from our standpoint if you haven't. We have tried everything, again since this site has been up for a year.

>>331 ...Their post was in agreement with that, y u lecture

>>332 i fear people are getting a little bit too quick to jump on the rage wagon.

>>332 What. Goddamn it all. My bad bro.

>>333 I'm ragey when I wake up, and ragey when I'm about to go to sleep. Don't ask me why, it's like automatic for me, yo.

>>330
A+

>>335 Don't worry about it insert - reread, rethink.

And I guess, rerage. About something else. Since that seems to be a quota you need to meet, daily, lest you tear into a random innocent jackass on the street.

>>335 too much rage glaze yo. only a few people will get this reference.

Thank you!!! Best. Suggestion. EVER!!!! :)

Unbiased rage is only positive when it's objectively distributed. The moment someone rages out of line, its not helping -It's being a jackass.

Sometimes its a misunderstanding, sometimes its when the person themselves didn't read the post and just assumed it was rage-worthy.

When those things happen, its the communities job to call them out on it just as unforgivingly as we do the people who make mistakes. One standard of rage, it applies to everyone.

None of us are better than the others, so this system keeps everyone grounded. We moderate each other, not only the new guys - But the ones instructing the new ones as well.

Good job >>330, you bring up a good point. I'm often baffled by how much people expect to be coddled even when being scolded.

>>330 Approved!~

aaaaaaaaaaannnd
BUMP

Same here, I agree! Let's try to be nice to our fellow members! They are like family after all :3!

>>345 Didn't bother reading the entire thread did you? Hell, you didn't even bother reading the first few responses.

>>346 noticing that >>345 doesn't like reading long posts in general. can't necessarily blame him, but it does sort of annoy me.

I havent noticed any members at all acting rude so far, everyone seems so nice :3

>>348 Look in the Countries board, I just acted rude to you. But before you start your complaining, read the posts after the OP.

i thnk if they are new, help them, dont just say" hey, fuck-tard, wrong place for that post, shit head"
honestly, i've seen that on a thread, thats just stupid, thats how we lose members, they're noobs, HELP them constructivly, just let them know, nicly,

>>350 *newbs. And they're not babies. They are people who can read. And I expect them to READ. And besides, we have shit all laid out for them, there's the board descriptions and other shit. But the only skill they need is to FUCKING READ. It's not a hard skill, it's a daily skill.

>>351 So what if they can read or not? They're still new, they wont know how everything works, dont have to treat them like shit for a mistake. Besides, if you're here, you should atleast be old enough to act mature and respect other Dollars, no matter how new.

>>352 Then they have to learn, which requires reading. Lurk, read around, get a feel. If you're new to a party, with a bunch of unknown people, do you immediately act like an asshole? Or are you quiet and ever watching? But anyways, acting like an asshole to them, being blunt, etc has shown to work. Hell, we even took a break for a week of not acting like an asshole and things went to shit.

>>352 Respect is something that has to be earned. And if they're new, they should take the time to learn how things work. And as *insertnamehere* said, we tried being nice. It only made things horribly worse.

>>350 Need I link to the Happy Muffins rant? Yes, I need to.
>>279 link

>>352 You shouldn't spoil them so much :/ People need to learn from their mistakes. "Besides, if you're here, you should at least be old enough to act mature and respect other Dollars." Unfortunately, this is not true for everyone. Nevermind age. We have many immature Dollars who do not listen when we ask them kindly. In fact, most don't. If you don't, and they obviously do not learn, why do they deserve kindness? They should listen to the rest of the community the first time.

Posts that have responses like this are ridiculous...In my opinion

thats it im quiting im tired of all these people who cant open their mind a little just to see what the others aretalking about i understand all the other openions but im quiting the dollars and to the person who started this thread i hope you reach sompeople

Open their minds? What the hell are you talking about, we're only raging at the duplicate threads and people posting in the wrong boards, how is that being close minded? Hell, the header on the Main board says "Please help keep the site organized by starting new threads in their appropriate board and checking for duplicate threads".

But in any case, nothing of value was lost.

358 Name: well $@×〒* this site : 2011-12-11 14:05 ID:HCgmcztg
15 Name: beelzebub : 2011-12-11 14:10 ID:HCgmcztg

Just felt like doing that.

ha ha very funny and i saw your posts on the main 2 i see you treat eerybody like this well random punk i hope that we could be friends and erasedmy posts and went to another section trying to stop our bickering how about agree to disagree i will meet ya half way okay your right im right we are both in the wrong okay

Pft, I'm never wrong if it's about the site. Except that one time or so, regarding the chat. And yes, I'm an arrogant bastard, but prove me wrong.

okay well if ya see me chat i would like to talk or somthing you seem like you could be alot of fun to talk 2 okay well have a nice day

It doesn't matter what this guy did or didn't do, he/she is right! All of us (including me and you) should be kinder and treat our fellow members the same. No more rudeness or mistreating. We all came here thanks to the wonderful thing of "Durarara!!", alright? Now please stop arguing or being mean. Let's all just be nice :3!

>>364 I do treat everyone the same, I treat everyone rudely. Herp derp.

And no, not everyone came here because of Durarara, don't assume such things.

And read the long ass posts that came after OP's to understand why we're mean. And read >>279 just because.

>>364 Insert is pretty damned rude to everyone if they deserve it, I can attest to that. He's not a bad guy at all, there's just a lot of stupid people he has to deal with on a daily basis. He basically takes it upon himself to do the dirty work where others refuse to, because of the aforementioned fact that niceties tend to be ineffective when dealing with profound levels of stubborn idiocy.

The basic theory is that rude comments get a response of greater magnitude. It imprints into their minds that "this is not something I should do," whereas a polite slap on the wrist makes them go "okay, everyone here is nice. I can make as many mistakes as I want and I won't really get yelled at."

I like to believe respect is something well-earned. I don't even remember the names of members we tell off - I make it a point not to. I only start to if they repeat offend, argue back fallaciously, or when they start to contribute positively to the community.


Also, yes, many of us may have come here because of Durarara, but few of us continue to care about it so much. I liked the idea, and thought the anime was pretty decent, but I stayed because of the community that came of it - one of actually diverse topics that didn't just center around anime fantasizing.

That said, the point of the Dollars is not to be kind. It isn't! It's to be a community. A community is allowed to have unkind people and actions. It's nice when they don't, but sometimes it's necessary to have some balance - otherwise we don't have any quality control at all.

I wish people would be nice to me. It is a real problem on the site. So many rude things being said and no one listens to me. I just want them to listen when I say "THIS DOESN'T FUCKING GO HERE/THIS IS A DUPLICATE/STOP REPLYING TO THIS SPAM", but people are just mean and stupid and don't listen.

/end satire reverse role that actually points out that those complaining about the rude responses are actually the ones who are rude

I just wish some people weren't so bitter in replies...

Some are, some arent. Some want to find you and smash your head into your computer screen, while others want to hit you over the head with a newspaper. Its the way life works, deal with it.

I have been one of the offenders who have posted in the wrong place (recently) and i apologize but that doesn't call for all the cussing like seriously >>367 you don't need to cuss to get a point across it turns people away from the site dude

>>370
Yes, I do. Read the whole thread. Cussing is fine. Derp derp derp.

>>370 Derp. Didn't read the comments about why that's really the only thing that works. If you're not going to take the time to read, and understand why things are necessary, then please retain your comments. It's been explained time and again that rage is the only way shit gets done.

Unfortunately this is an issue some members take what other dollars say and who cuss at them to heart ^"^ but there are some dollars like myself that will try the nice approach and not bash down ideas rather give suggestions in areas that ideas may need improvement so don't take it so personal and if I come across your threads ill try and say things in a sweet manor but not everyone is meh and some feel rage gets people to act and some might try the pity approach but at the end of the day if things are done like they are supposed to be hopefully rage will cease please try and look past the viasing and anger because beyond that is advice that can help you ^^

i understand that you cuss for the purpose of getting your point across NOW
but i gotta admit the only thing that got me to read the whole thread was >>372
he didn't cuss and but it did make me feel stupid for posting before reading
I just would like to know if you guys might lay off or try to give a one thread warning ya know? you dont HAVE to cuss right off the back because those of us who do want to be here will get the message without having to be reminded a second time

>>374 just because you complained about it.
anus - butt
arse - butt
arsehole - butt
ass - butt
ass-hat - idiot
ass-jabber - homosexual
ass-pirate - homosexual
assbag - idiot
assbandit - homosexual
assbanger - homosexual
assbite - idiot
assclown - butt
asscock - idiot
asscracker - butt
asses - butts
assface - butt
assfuck - rear-loving
assfucker - homosexual
assgoblin - homosexual
asshat - butt
asshead - idiot
asshole - jerk
asshopper - homosexual
assjacker - homosexual
asslick - idiot
asslicker - Buttlicker
assmonkey - idiot
assmunch - idiot
assmuncher - butt
assnigger - Racial Slur
asspirate - homosexual
assshit - idiot
assshole - butt
asssucker - idiot
asswad - butt
asswipe - butt
axwound - female genitalia

Think of it this way, Tatsuo.

If you're a new member here, and the first thing you see if everyone being nice, would you be inclined to give a shit about making mistakes and posting incorrectly?

Now consider, if you're a new member here, and the first thing you see is people getting yelled at for not doing their part and reading around the site.

In which situation would you be more inclined to be attentive?

It's largely done for setting a precedent that we aren't going to tolerate mistakes when we personally set up countless ways to avoid them. The fact they are all being ignored so blatantly is an insult to our efforts, and thus our anger is justified.

It's something that's taken for granted when people come here - FAQs, descriptions, and help topics are things people are used to seeing without consequence. What they fail to realize is that they are all created by other users of the site, and disrespecting the guidelines is equivalent to disrespecting the members themselves.

Now granted, people don't always respond with venom. We try to be as unbiased as possible, and act accordingly. If someone makes a light mistake, we respond lightly. If we find their mistake completely uncalled for and totally baffling, you'll have to excuse the resulting frustration.

It's the difference between posting a News topic about the Occupy Wallstreet movement on the Art board or posting a 18th fucking Vocaloid thread on Music, and posting a controversial topic on the Main board. In the former example... there's absolutely no reason for that mistake to have been made, and there's no excuse for it either. In the latter, while it may not be a topic pertinent to an overarching issue that everyone can discuss, it's at least a discussion topic - even if it's better suited for the Random board.

You have to understand that the people that yell at others on this site are not doing it out of a sense of spite or a sense of seniority, but for the betterment of the site itself and the eradication of flagrant stupidity.

Given, some members take it a step too far in inappropriate situations (going too far with the insults on a mild mistake, for example), but people will be people. We do try to avoid this, and the fact we aren't a conglomerate of circlejerks allows us to moderate each other as well. It's a system we've found to work well for the past year.

I understand your point Misuto I just don't like it when people go too far and get angry at the little offenses like people who didn't realize there was another post about it that had been permasaged before or corrected and finished.
I just would like to give everyone one chance before an onslaught of cursing I realize though that this may make the site seem too accepting but I just thought it would be good to mention as an idea.
Thanks for listening

Oh look, more white knighting faggots who are butthurt about mean people not holding their hands and/or still have faith in humanity.

You guys must be new.

Default statement:

If you take issue with the way things are done, we invite and encourage you to step up and try and handle things yourself. It's not a matter of what's nice, nor is it a factor of any kind of inherent cruelty - We do what works. What has been proven to work over a year of trial and error.

If you think being nice will suddenly work now, then by all means - Prove it to us with actions, rather than flowery speech. If it turns out to be true, we will be more than happy to convert our methods. Efficiency is key.

Until then, we will curse. And we will rage. And all the stupid fucktards will get their feelings hurt. Because that is what works. And the majority of us doing it? Are people like you - Who started with those same intentions in mind, practiced what they preached, and it failed.

Don't let that discourage you though! It might work this time! Do the best that you can! Because if you don't believe in it enough to do it yourself, then why should we care enough to listen to your opinions in the first place?

So, as always, if it bothers you - Take a stand and try to fix it by example. It's what everyone else did.

In my opinion the rage and bluntness works. It scared the crap out of me, but I respect the people that do it because its bettering the site and makes thing run more efficiently.

>>379 I agree with you rage and bluntness does work better. It may scare you because it did rattle me. But it does work better. Take it with a grain of salt and get used to it.

>>378 >>379 THIS.

Yeah you're right! This "old" members need to know their new.. They don't know a thing on this site..

>>382
"Derp derp, read threads? Why do that?! Post anyway! Derp!"

>>382
Are you saying the old members don't know shit on this site? That's basically a load of bullshit.

The new need to learn how to act BEFORE fucking posting, then we'd not have to get rude. Easy said and it's easy done. Learn it.

>>384 na hes saying new people dont know shit.
which is why we tell them to lurk and learn, cuz ya know, its an amazing way to get people to not hate you

385 and 384
are rite i came on here for the first time and just posted a mission that in retrospect should have been tweeked or worded better and got in a huge flame war.
after reading ARE YOU NEW?! Click me i can see why
but i will say that if people would just have talked to me and not just shout how stupid i was it would have saved alot of time.

Then you wouldn't learn.

As earlier stated: Some are mean, some arent. Some want to find you and smash your head into your computer screen, while others want to hit you over the head with a newspaper. Its the way life works, deal with it.
You dont have to be here if you dont want to, nobody is making you. But you shouldve known, o gee, im new, maybe i should look around n see how things work here first, before posting anything ever at all.

>387 truth
388 i seemed to have pissed you off im not shore if it was you or not but i called some one stupid and a 12yr old yesterday it was rude and i was in the wrong.to any one on here im all ways looking for a good debate or to talk but never an argument. I do my best to not unjustifiably call you stupid bc i dont know u. Im not gonna ask u to do the same but i am here bc i choose to be and want to.

Nope, just sick of people complaining how mean the templars are.

Guys Ayanavi isnt discriminatory on her anger and thats awesome,excitement caused me to double post forgetting i posted one without a name, and got raged at and i am not new lol.. fixed it (deleted the wrong one though -__-)

So grow balls fix your mistakes its a method, if you know your right then bite back, like when forte commented.. use already established posts as well to learn how the community works. AND PLEASE PLEASE USE PUNCTUATION, its so annoying to read what looks like a blurb of words :)

There's also a difference in the mistakes the the newer people and the older people tend to make. newer people tend to make obvious mistakes, older people do the same, but if they do they generally just say "my bad" or whatever, fix the problem and move on. Older members also tend to make mistakes in areas that aren't necessarily clear cut. i've seen some threads made by older members where other older members raged at them, but then the poster argued his case using not pleas of "don't be mean" but actual LOGIC. and even then, if the general population of the site all seem to be against him, he accepts defeat, deletes the post, and moves on.

I think we need a counseling thread for when maintaining the site makes a Dollar want to FLIP HIS FUCKING SHIT X(

Ooooo thats a great idea. We should put tsu in charge of it.
but that doesnt sounds like a bad idea, maybe put a number/email for them to contact for any questions/concerns they may have, that isnt serious enough to bother the bossman.

>>393 lol. therapy may be needed for a lot of people here.

Buuuummp

I love seeing threads closed/permasaged as I F5 a board. I also love thinking that I figured out who did the closing/permasaging. :3

>>398 "thinking" huh?

>>399
Yeah, cause I only THINK I figured out who one of the mods are. I don't KNOW. And who I THINK is a MOD totally deserves it and does a great job as a MOD and as a regular Dollar.

>>400 i was just amazed that all the rage left your cognitive capabilities intact.

It's ok to make mistake this is the web.there are billions of noobs like my self that are going to check this site out and a million of them are gonna make the same mistakes. All attacking them will do is drive away the thin skinned ones.
And ps if any ones referring to my thread from 2 days ago I deleted my own post after some one said nicely that I'm causing a bit of a stir.
Oh yea a mods job is not to delet anything you don't like, They are here to keep it civil and clean and orginize dead threads.

>>402 No, they're here to clean up the bad threads, the duplicate threads, the threads that don't belong here etc, dead threads stay until someone doesn't get the point and keeps bumping a thread that a conversation is over. Or you mean threads that are old and haven't been replied to in a long time, which is "necro posting", which again, falls under the don't reply to a thread that the conversation is fully done with. If a thread is old, but the conversation can be continued, like some discussion threads, then you can actually bump those, because you can add things to it and it won't be actually finished.

Derp

And derp, the web is real life also. And sometimes, real life doesn't give you second chances. That's why you have to look around thoroughly and make sure you understand shit. We've spent a lot of our times putting up board descriptions and shit, they're there to be read, not to be put aside because you're new and all that bull shit. Being new is not an excuse, it's a current state of hierarchy. You can be new and never make mistakes, or you can be old and make a load of fucking mistakes.

And because he didnt say this, mods cant delete threads, and they were only recently implemented because of the sheer amount of stupidity people like you have been posting, which is why they are given such a hard time about doing stupid shit. If the original poster was able to delete threads then we wouldnt get so pissed, we would be able to just tell them to delete it. But we cant, n this is the most effective method.

406 Name: Macking : 2011-12-14 17:27 ID:wxH+AnxL [Del]
404 like I said to clean up threads and the web is virtual not reality
But your point is correct people myself included should do alot more reading b4 they post.

So let me get this straight, Macking.

Because you believe everything on the internet to be, in fact, fictional, you believe it gives you free reign to do whatever the fuck you please without consequence because basic niceties and manners are not immediately called for? Or is it the fact we cannot see your face and dictate to you with visual and audio reference why exactly you are a complete and total dumbass?

Oftentimes, people refer to things as the cancer of the internet - be it 4chan, dumb memes, or stupid fucks like you who take the stance of "lose all inhibition" when you open your favorite web browser.

I don't know how much of this you're going to take seriously, which is why I don't mind being abrasive. You claim to be some kind of thick-skinned assfaggot of an internet badass, so none of it should be consequential at all.

I respectfully request you either revamp this shittastic view you have acquired of online communities, or get the fuck out. I inherently dislike you, and your ilk bodes ill for absolutely anything that involves online human interaction.

No the inter net is not reality it's virtual you don't walk out of a chat room you log off.
And also call me what ever you want but there is nothing wrong with being gay bi or transexual I understand you want to make me feel bad but I'll ask you not to use any group of people to do that.

I'll assume you're a virtual construct then, Macking. Since the internet is virtual, I can proceed to assume you're an NPC put here specifically to be pretentious; instead of some person on the other side of their monitor.

Moving on then, gotta finish some sidequests before I get back to the hub and continue my main quest.

If its not real then why are you here, typing away, wasting your oh so precious time when you could be doing things in the real world hm?

Hmm... 410 true
And 408 I'm not trying to mess up anyone's community I have made an extra effort to be nice and somewhat smart about replying to flames. There are 79386 members I'm shure not every one agrees on everything and I don't think anger is going to help anyone and just make everyone not work together.

Sry to dbl post but
410 after stewing on that for a day I just wanted to say I did not mean to belittle this site or what it's about the conversation is real.

>>412 That is the number of separate IP addresses that have contacted this site since it began, including the trolls and proxies. The actual number of active members is closer to 300 or 400.

>>413
Suggestion, when referring to another reply, click on the number next to the reply or type ">>#" where # is the reply number instead of just typing the number of the reply.

I think I understand what you are saying, and TECHNICALLY you are right. At the same time, I believe you understand what we are saying and what we mean. Please don't be difficult. You have been a fairly well behaved member and for that, I can give you some respect. I am usually ready to rage, but I will defend you since you aren't actually being a douche, just a smartass, which I also often am.

The Internet is virtual, but that does not mean it holds less value to realty. Our society has taken on the virtual and digital and made it a part of the actual culture of today. You can go to jail for your actions on the Internet. You can make friends through actions on the Internet. What you do online in turn effect your life in reality, and vice versa. You understand, yes?

If so, then recognize that expectations of users here could be mirrored in reality if we had some form of clubhouse, office, building, meeting, etc; we would not want people setting up a second table in the film conference room for discussing the new [insert movie title] while there is already a first table set up with people sitting around discussing just that. We would also not want people going into the book conference room and set up a table for discussing [insert movie title] since that room is for books and not movies.

Get my analogy? People = Users. Rooms = Boards. Tables = Threads. Building = This site.

The expectations in the real world transcend into the world of the Internet.

>>415 *claps* pretty good analogy

HEY, COMPLAINERS. Put your complaints here so you don't have to get yelled at even worse for making another thread about how much d--- you think the Oldfags suck.

true that we should all respect everyone wither old or new, though even new members are jerks, wither new or not we should all be kind to our fellow dollars

I see you read all the important posts made on this thread.
We treat everyone the same in our harshnessness. Everything that is done that is "rude/mean/blunt" is done based off of the severity of what the poster did. Everyone has there own differnet ways of reacting, and you are more then welcome to be a part of it, bringing your own way to the table, and seeing what we have to deal with on a regular basis.

I was jst talkin about this on another thread
Everyone shut me down then one guy came in and basicly told everyone to stop hattin, then more people came in with him/her and helped out come on and start a chain reaction help someone out when their in digetal trouble

>>420 Your thread was misplaced in the first place, though. It will likely only get negative comments in that situation because most sensible members will ignore it, and the only ones to comment will be the annoyed or the uninformed.

Don't take it personally, you just fucked that up right off the bat. Should read things before posting, like the board descriptions and the FAQ our members have so meticulously compiled due to these exact errors.

Also, if you read up on this thread, as sleep said, the conversation goes on to explain why some members are like this is detail. It has since stopped being a "complain about meanies" thread. I suggest you read, it's good insight.

>>417 lol, even IF they put their complaints here, they'll get shut down because of how quickly things got explained on this thread. people who obviously didnt read the whole thing will probably get raged on just as much as people who misplaced threads or duplicated them.

>>422 They're going to say it somewhere anyway, and most of them are too lazy to actually read the important posts :/

Perhaps we should just keep this bumped with links to the important posts that people should read. Like with the FAQ thread. I mean... If i saw a thread with 423 posts, fuck that mess, I wouldn't read the whole thing lol. I haven't even looked at this thread in over 100 posts, so someone else find the important ones, and set this shit up.

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For some reason it didn't come out in order, so whatever. I took my time getting all of the important posts, you do the ordering.

>>425 It came out in exactly reverse order.

>>426 Whatever.

Bump for fools.

I guess I can somewhat sympathize. (Okay this is where I rant. And yes, I did not read the previous posts so I will repeat. And rages are welcome as well as swearing... just hear me out, then call me a complete retard)

I actually am an what you call an 'older member' and you wouldn't believe how much shit I get.

But I guess the 'older members' make a good point about giving shit to random people. I'm not saying they do it out of enjoyment (okay... some of them do) but the point is.

They all probably go through a lot and such and help make this site really awesome. (And I am saying this after a bunch of older members raged at me.... so that probably means everyone gets the same raging and swearing.You're not the only one!)

But if you really can not put up with it, why not just suck it up, and make a joke out of it. (exactly what I did last time someone raged at me)

So yeah... Just be the better person. Smile. Enjoy reading the post where they swear in every other word. And think back to how nice they were to write out that post.

You can't really change other people's way of thinking

And yes, I do know you older members will rage at me for writing this, but I have officially given up in... certain things. So I am slightly more positive now. Anyway, felt that had to be said. (okay lie. I am actually bored and saw this topic interesting.

>>429 Don't understand why someone would rage at you, unless it's totally for no reason.

>>430 It's usually for no reason... -______-

But I do know that people who WANT to rage at you, will find every reason to do so. =D

>>431 I take offense to that, somewhat. Whenever I rage at people without any facts, I do it as a personal type of thing, if I rage at people, presenting facts, it's nothing personal, it's just that they broke the rules. So, I guess if you don't count personal stuff, then it is within reason.

Get what I'm sayin'. But then again, that's just me, other people, like Tsuki, do it just to do it.

>>432 Whoops... I see. Well. I apologize again...

You do make a good point. But yeah.... I guess... well everyone has their reasons for what they do....

Great... I have nothing to say-ish.

>>431 actually people always have a reason when they do things.... but when they do things that seem unreasonable it is possibly because they felt like it, or maybe the reason can't be realized by people with small brains, or maybe the reason was because they hate their life, and need to take it out on someone anonymously. Whatever it is there is a reason...

perhaps they are giving new members a hard kick in the right direction.

Huh... This thread is still going. Anyway, >>425 is where you want to go for an index of all the comments that make sense of the so-called "rudeness".

The Reason of The Rude

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If you truly want to know and understand the reasoning behind us being so blunt and mean, then read all above linked posts.

Uh, okay so, I fixed the index since Insert did it backwards like a genius.

I've only been here a week, and some of the members' (who have been here longer than me) blatant ignorance is painful. I understand why raging works and being nice doesn't. Daily, I see posts where they don't belong and people getting raged at left and right because of it. And you know what? Some of those people never make those mistakes again. Obviously, raging works, no matter how "unkind" and "hurtful" it may come across. You can be nice and polite all you want, but eventually your tolerance will wear down and you'll either quit trying to fix mistakes or resort to more effective methods.

I've had my fair share of headaches dealing with just the wristband distribution thread and all the people who DON'T READ MORE THAN THREE POSTS + the OP. As a result, they confuse more people and hide the posts that actually have something to contribute so that more people can just read three posts + the OP and become confused...it gets tiring posting the exact same thing every hour just so no one asks stupid questions.

tl;dr
The older members have their reasons to rant, and they are completely justified in doing so. If you can't handle being raged at, you probably aren't ready for the internet. There are plenty of people out there that will give you shit for no reason; at least the older members are trying to help you correct your mistake. If you don't want to get raged at, be extra careful about where you post your threads, check to see if you're making a duplicate thread, and actually read more than just the OP. Chances are, you'll never get raged at because you won't have made a mistake. It's worked for me so far :)

>>439 And this proves my point of "Being new doesn't mean shit, it's just a state of being. You can be new and never fuck up, or be old and fuck up constantly." Always hate it when people jump to that excuse like no tomorrow when they get called out.

>>439 This. Only a week old member, and I already like you. To anyone reading, like *insertnamehere* has said numerous times:
"Being new is not an excuse." It's not a get out of jail free card, nor does it gain you any sympathy.

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If you truly want to know and understand the reasoning behind us being so blunt and mean, then read all above linked posts.

Uh, okay so, I fixed the index since Insert did it backwards like a genius.

Incidentally, the most ignorant of posts are successfully rebutted by copious amounts of Spiderman.

I find that to be a more constructive method, for those that are beyond help anyway.

>>441 Thanks for looking those up! XDDDD

Bump.
important stuff indexed at >>441

this is so true. when i fist came to this sit a long time ago and made a mistake, a few of the older members were horrible.

but some of the older member were nice and told be what to do.

noobs will be noobs but if the older keep this up that means the

noobs will do the same to newer noobies so pls stop

>>445>>447 Did you not read >>441 and all the links on it? There are reasons they bash people, and its not just newbies. Elder members try so hard to keep the site organized, and then newbies come on and screw up their system. I think they have a right to bash whoever screws it up. It doesn't have to be just newbies either, its just that the majority of the people are.

>>447 Also, its not like its a cycle. Even if its a person's first day here, they might follow the rule's better than someone who's been here for a month. And they wouldn't get bashed. It just depends on whether you follow them or not. Remember, members don't just bash people just because they're new.

Nope.

It's the internet, what do you expect?

Pfffft, and then >>441 Umbra got all the recognition for my >>438 hard work...

The Reason of The Rude

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If you truly want to know and understand the reasoning behind us being so blunt and mean, then read all above linked posts.

bump!

>>448 jkfvrbjr3lgrtnlj

it's going to be so hard getting used to two different misutos on the site, especially seeing as i seem to ignore the 27g after your name, instinctively thinking it must be part of the tripcode or something, lol.

>>452 Actually, insert was the one who originally linked them all, you just re-organized them, and I just copied and pasted. And yeah, to anyone else, those two deserve all the credit on that index.

bump!

indeed

UGH. *read all 456 effing posts*

Well, that sucked.

Anyway, I get how on the interwebs people, on average, don't quite listen unless you rage at them and some just can't take things seriously without a foot shoved firmly up their ass. Sure. Very true. However, I'm concerned, since this isn't an average forum. It's filled with very kind-hearted, do-goody people who are with DOLLARS because doing good is what the whole thing is about. They, I included, tend to be a tender-hearted bunch. I don't want to push them away. They're probably not here just because they like forums. They like volunteering, and picking up trash and being part of a bigger good. They possibly have no netiquette. I know I don't - I just started learning this month. I got raged at a million years ago and never touched a forum since, yeah? Except this forum is different - I reeeaaaally want to be here. Because I like being part of a bigger good and knowing I'm not the only one who enjoys volunteering at shelters, etc. Faith in humanity. I don't want to chase people away~ I want them to know the world is not as bad as they think, and I hoped the conduct on this site could reflect that.

Like, I don't care about cursing. They're freaking words. But namecalling? Kind of different. Also, raging at the behavior - clearly understandable. "A;SFLDK;FLS DUPLICATE POST READ THE FAQ" is different from "I know you think you're a special fucking snowflake who needs a thread all to his special little self, but post in the right place instead of being a conceited fucktard who thinks they can do whatever they want."

tl;dr - Raging at actions vs raging at people - you can correct them firmly without making it personal and making them run away and never come back. People on DOLLARS likely have thinner skins, being so altruistic and all.

That's very true I support you on that claim, all I can say is that were all on the same side here people there is no need to go haten on the young guys, I don't really care for how long someone has been a Dollar it's how they act that earns my respect...

>>458 you didnt have to read everything, an index was nicely created that showed all the important posts made.

>>458 Alright, I'm happy you understand that we have to be firm in our scolding of the members that fuck up the site, and sometimes we may get a little cussy(note: sometimes means all the time).

But uhm, calling people names? I don't think-- Oh wait, never mind, people do call others names. Well, there's always extremists in any group. Or at least, that's what I'd like to believe.

And if it makes you feel better, when I say "Fuck you" to people, it's obligatory. Nothing personal.

>>460 And same with me. The people who can't follow the rules of the site won't earn my respect. And the rules are damn well easy to follow.

Oh and also, Kouda. It's not just new members, it's anyone who breaks the rules. It's just the fact that newer members have a tendency to break the rules more. But there have been older members breaking the rules before.

On another unrelated note, how do you really know someone is really an older member of the site, unless they constantly flaunt off their seniority? Or unless you're one of the few people who looks at the dates of posts. But let's say you aren't that person. How do you know?

I mean, I don't flaunt my seniority, unless it's necessary, like that one post in this one thread on Main. I forgot the name. It was like something about an original member and what they expect or some other bull shit.

And then I responded "I'm an original member, and... etc etc"

See, I posted that as a joke I guess.

>>452 for the index of useful posts.

>>458 >>462
I insult people directly only when they don't take the hint. If someone is refusing to cooperate or just being a dickhole and/or troll or insulting other members; I will verbally skull fuck the shit out of them. We do not want those individuals here if that is how they are going to behave.

ANYWAY, here is the useful post index:
The Reason of The Rude

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If you truly want to know and understand the reasoning behind us being so blunt and mean, then read all above linked posts.

I've been lurking around the sight a lot too.

I've been yelled at on multiple occasions.

You know what I do? I learn from my mistakes... Well I try to learn from my mistakes. I don't complain, I take it like a man. I don't cry to my mother, I definately don't post a stupid thread whining about it.

These people know what they are talking about,

You need to grow a pear.....

>>464 Nothing like a good old fashioned skull fucking lol.

I've been here a while and I can start to see where all of the more senior members are coming from. This site really doesn't have a true moderator (or at least none that I am aware of(sorry to any existing mods)) so it's really up to all of us to help keep the place tidy and clean. To make sure that duplicate threads aren't all over the place and to make sure the threads created are relevent to the overall category.

I've taken it upon myself to start helping around the threads and trying to steer the newbies in the right direction, and believe you me, it is far more taxing than one might think. And then there are the trolls, I wont even go near that one.

I'm a pretty patient guy, but some days I just want to tear people apart. Like the countries board a few days ago. Or even now, actually.

I've made a few mistakes here and there, it's bound to happen to a newbie, but you just have to see it from the perspective of the people who have been here a while.

/Has never been yelled at...

Not sure if I feel like a win, or just don't feel like a fail.

Thank god, you are truly a blessing, Feral.

Sometimes, people just have to do the ol' saying, put yourself in the other person's shoes. People have to ask themselves this, can you stay devoted to this site, and patrol this site every day, almost 24/7 or at least when you have free-time, every day?

Because that's the life I've chosen, and then comes these people who are all "I has a life, fuck your not existing life" bull shit and all that shit.

>>469 Well, I certainly appreciate the work you do here. If there is anything I can do to help around here count me in.

I like this site too much to see it go to the dogs lol.

>>466 lol I saw my mistake, and was too last to correct it. Plus I figured someone would love to troll.

>>462 I'm glad you get what I'm saying.

>>464 Trolls are always free game - I fully support the skullfucking of trolls. I just hope it doesn't encourage them.

>>465 I have no pears in the fridge and now I want one. This is your fault.

@Aerietigre:

I understand that you're posts on here are mainly about me, but what you need to understand is that I'm rarely as bad as others can be. In fact, I'm generally civil unless it's a bad day or it's a complete fucktard who deserves to be called a fucktard. In your case, you saw what was a combination of both

Therefore, I will reserved my right to call him a fucktard and will not sit back and let you call me a troll because of it.

I don't know if he was a new member or an old one - I don't discriminate about that. However, not only did he make a duplicate thread, he remade a thread because the other one was permasaged. To be permasaged means that the moderators do not agree with it (usually because it was a duplicate). To remake a permasaged thread is to go against the Admin/moderator, which is an obvious and huge no-no that anyone with an ounce of common sense could get. So, not only was it a duplicate, it was a duplicate of a duplicate that even refers to the creator of the first duplicate in its title. That's disgusting. There were several comments disagreeing with the thread and explaining why it was saged - they were clear, in view. He did not deserve to have any respect in return, and so he did not.

He was either a troll or someone with absolutely no respect or care towards the site.

Also, your idea that everyone here must want to help is rather... frivolous? Not sure if that's the right word, but I'm sure you get what I mean. We don't really have an objective, and we have plenty of trolls and plenty of stupid people and plenty of people who just like to come here for the forums. Why do you think there are so many posts everywhere else, too? Missions is less active than Random, to be honest, and it's just silly to assume that the site is full of sensitive little flower children who can't handle getting disciplined.

Anyway, this post was directed toward a particular incident that fired little aerie here up, so those who aren't involved can just ignore this post.

>>473 .... I honestly thought Aerietigre's post was about Thiamor or something. Oh well.

We get tired of people not following the rules or posting something like "ZOMG IT'S JUST LIKE THE ONE IN DRRR!!1!2!". I mean, the first mistake I point it out to them. The second I wanna rip their ass off. And believe you and me, there ain't gonna be no third mistake...

Anyways, it's people that think it's a fan site that pisses me off to no end mostly.

>>474 Perhaps it's about a combination of the two? Either way, I'm the one who gave aerie the link to this thread in the end :V

I totally agree with you on this topic. I am a newbie and made one mistake. Like literally one, and got my head ripped off. It is not that I am not all up for organization. However, older members and people bullying around other people isn't what the Dollars are all about. In all honesty, it is supposed to be free of command right?

>>477........
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By "I agree with you guys on this topic",i assume you mean "I read the first post and felt obligated to comment without even reading the arguments of the other side"

Don't mistake this reply as a further act of "bullying", that's not what I or any other member deemed by the majority of the site to be constantly rude are about.

Also, i don't know if you felt like you had to post anonymously because you didnt want any backlash from the "bullies" of the site, or if you just forgot to type in a name, but if it was the former, then it really was not necessary. People only get yelled at on this site when they mess up and only on the thread they messed up in. there is no personal vendetta against new people here and i don't think that any of the people that try to help moderate the site even care/have enough time to memorize names of people that have messed up. unless they're chronic offenders. then those people get spider-man threads.

>>477 Internet etiquette. When you don't use it, you get your head ripped off. It's the same everywhere else; why is it so shocking that the same thing happens here? The internet is the internet.

oh, while we're on it, >>479 brinngs up a point that i wish to elaborate a bit on.

>>477 a lot of people get this idealistic view of the dollars like how it was portrayed in the anime. there have been several discussions about it on this site, but since you're new, i don't know if you've read those discussions yet. General consensus is this:

The idealistic version of the Dollars that people are attracted to does not even accurately follow the Dollars model from the anime. sure they turned out to be helpful in the end, but that wasn't their original purpose, just what a few individuals felt was the right thing to do. The dollars were neutral, and so is this version of the dollars. As for the "No rules, Free of command" idea. sure, it worked out in an anime,where i'm sure the majority of the people probably knew how to work the internet and navigate the dollar site perfectly, but this is Real Life. the rules that guide the anime don't necessarily apply here. there are only a few rules on the site, and EVERYONE has the right to enforce them, there are just a few people who give enough of a fuck to constantly try to enforce them. I've been on the site for close to 3, maybe 4 months now, and i have spoken to almost every one of the members considered to be "bullies" on the site, and it isn't that they're on some power trip where they feel their seniority gives them absolute power, the just legitimatly give a fuck about the site and want to try to keep the internet trolls and idiots at bay in order to try and preserve the site and all it's glory.

The glory is all gone. It's just the memories I have left. And I'm keeping that there till the very end.

Anyways, I'd like to believe that it has grown from few to about maybe 20, more or less. Of course, considering we may have around 200 or more, it's still few. But yeah.

Also, another thing about the no rules of Dollars. If we had no rules, how the hell do you think we'll be able to fend off trolls? What, the admin's gonna still ban them? No, that'd go against the no rules, you can do whatever the fuck you want thing. See, no rules has two sides to it, like everything else in the world.

I know... I was posting a new thread, didn't realise there already was one and immediately was told "fuck you". It's extremely rude and no matter how long they've been on here, it doesn't give them the right.

>>482 It's not a matter of how long someone's been here. It's a matter of actually reading around instead of just posting willy nilly.

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I agree. Profanity and excess immaturity while claiming to be a Dollar is hypocritical and counterproductive to our cause. Be kind, be smart. What you say reflects on all of us (you know who you are).

>>482 >>484 You're only proving our reasons for being "rude" to be even more well-founded, when you can't even read past the Original Post. We've provided a nice little index of important comments to help explain, please use it instead of completely ignoring the massive conversation that is this thread.

I've got to say, I'm new to this site too and even though I haven't made a mistake (...yet) when I'd seen other people get bitched out I got worried.

Then I started reading this thread and realized it's mainly insertnamehere's general demeanor toward everyone, haha.
I guess if they're not the type to be polite to everyone it's silly to expect them to be polite to the sensitive.

oh god guys....it's the michigan gay bullying law thread all over again... (kudos to those who know what the hell i am talking about)

>>486 Stay here a little while longer and you'll find that *insert* can be a pretty understandable person. See >>467 and >>469 for a good summary of what I mean.

Well I guess you could say I'm kinda new, however the thing I like about the site is how you always an change your name. You do not become popular nor on-popular with a name.

I think that's a great thing yeah

>>488 Oh hell, before today I rarely lurked this site and today I was bored enough to read through and post in many threads.
Short span of time to have a change of heart but I'm already feeling silly for being threatened + seeing the rage is justified >>

>>490 It always takes that first, but long step, to see why it's justified. Welcome.

>>473 Mainly, yes. I only really hang around the Missions board. I don't deviate from it much.
Hehe~ 'little aerie'~ that gives me fluffles inside, regardless of whether it should or not.
>>474 Anyone I've come across that fits the description, really~ but as I just lurk on Missions, not Thiamor. Haven't come across him yet.

I'm sorry, but even with reading some of those reasons, I just don't agree with it. Admining, moderating, and running a website needs dedication and patience, especally with user and forum oriented sites, if you don't have those you shouldn't be in charge of a website.

Good news, then. Only one person is in charge of the website, as has been explained ad infinitum. A major point that was trying to be clarified is that none of the users here hold any leverage over another user, but a group mentality does. The moderators appointed by Reltair himself don't post on the site, as far as I know, and anything other than permasaging is done by the users themselves.

I posted this in this thread's duplicate (ref. Main page thread "Rude Dudes" >>41) but I think it would be of more use here, and I'm not trying to defend the rudeness or attack it, it's just something I found:
I did some digging and found something interesting. In Psychology there is a way of controling behavior called "Operant Conditioning" it states that one way to control behavior is with punishment(p) and reward(r). Punishment when you want a behavior to decrease and reward when you want it to increase. Along with punishment and reward there is also positive(+) and negative(-). Positive is when you are giving something, and negative is when you are taking something away. So in total there is Positve Reward(+r), negative reward(-r), positive punishment(+p), and negative punishment(-p). Still with me? I won't go into reward cuz that's not in play here. Now lemme apply this:
PersonA makes a duplicate post, so PersonB gives PersonA a cussing out.
PersonB gave PersonA a cussing out(+) because they want the behavior of duplicate posting to go down(p). Let's do another:
PersonC posts a thread in the wrong spot so ModeratorA permasages the post.
ModeratorA took away the post's ability to be bumped(-) because they wanted the behavior of posting in the wrong spot to go down(p)

>>495 tl;dr... who cares? Why are you so adamant in defending people who are in the wrong? Are you some 'ally of justice'? No, probably not... you can obviously see that you are against the overwhelming majority of the site. Your tid bit of info isn't going to change our opinion of whats right and wrong here... Nor will it change how we react to such.

GET OVER YOURSELF...

Note that I was basing that off of everything I've seen you post on this site, whether it be in Random or in Main, or anywhere else... this was a generalization of what I've seen. I'm only expressing this here, because it is where it belongs...

>>496 Derp. He wasn't defending anyone. He was explaining in scientific terms the principal behind rudeness and saging. He's not wrong there.

I don't think he's white-knighting, I'm pretty sure he was just trying to figure out why it was so necessary to rage at every mistake, when a member wasn't even a repeat offender yet. He used psychology to sort that out.

Well... like I said in >>497
It was a generalization from what I saw everywhere...
I mean, now that i finally read his post... I can see that he wasn't defending anyone in that post, which is the reason I posted >>497 in the first place...
Also, I only tend to rage at repeat offenders... I try to be nice to everyone else... Unless the OP is a dumbfuck.

>>499 True, but I've noticed some of the others raging prematurely a bit more often lately.

>>500 That may be true, but their rage isn't unjustified, it's just as you said, 'premature'. They just need to be a tad bit more patient, if that's the point he's been trying to make then okay... However, he should go about it differently, he's only inspiring more and more animosity towards himself and his cause. If he wants to be able to get on this site and enjoy it, he is the one who has to adapt to the way we go about things... We won't all change at his whim. So he just needs to sit back... and relax.

I heard premature rage was happening while I was distracted else where.

I leave for a couple days and suddenly you people start getting the idea that you aren't lower than the dirt I walk on - What the hell, guys? Don't you dare speak above your stations! You are all equal insignificant specks of dust beneath the soles of my shoes; how long you have lain in wait for me to trod upon you means nothing. How long I felt the need to stand upon you means nothing!

Everyone is equal. and inferior to myself. Don't forget that.

>>502 Lol when the fuck did this happen?

okay...i make a small mistake by saying happy birthday to Shizuo on the main when someone made a thread for it..and because of that...it doesn't give others (probably older members) to try and verbally kill us. okay, i understand this isn't a fanclub but dude...no one..and i mean..NO ONE. said nicely or formally to correct us. Especially this 1 dollar who told someone else to die in a ditch! ...wtf...if that person was insecure or just a child, and went to kill themselves in a ditch...who's going to take responsibility ?hmmmm? well that's probably another way to show how mean some dollars really are? idk...if people are gonna hate me for saying all stuff but seriously...so what if someone puts a 'happy bday ' thread ,it doesn't mean 'you' can go ahead and bully everyone out of the site. The person who made the thread was probably new so...yeah..nuff said ==

A birthday thread can go in Random. But when it's about a damn fictional character, it can go die.

>>505 yeah yeah. i know but come on..there's a bday thread on the main and no one has told them to go die in a ditch and put it in random ==. i just think people are getting abit carried away with that they say in the internet (myself included) besides if it wasn't for drrr , dollars bbs wouldn't exist in the first place.

>>506 Because that does pertain to only one person, it's a thread to share when your birthday is, the whole group can post in it.

but i highly doubt anyone is really keeping track of it. ohwells then :) thanks for not swearing at me then XD *thumbs up*

Does it really matter who keeps track of it? As long as they don't spam their bull shit as just ONE thread, is fine.

And I keep seeing people posting "THIS ISN'T A FANSITE" but then they turn around saying "IF IT WASN'T FOR DRRR etc etc", I don't know what the hell you want. Do you want this to be a fansite, or do you want this to be a site that lets go and be its own thing. It's like a kid on a bicycle, you can't hold on to your mommy or daddy for fucking ever.

Inspiration is one thing, adulation is another.

okay nevermind. chill. no..i don't want it to be a fansite ==

I was calm, by the way. I only use such and such to express my opinion in a more vivid fashion.

well gj. ps nice quote in >>510.

Thanks, I made it myself.

it's actually really damn smart :p

I see the term "bully" being thrown around a lot. I feel more like a parent telling a kid not to do stupid shit than an older sibling yelling at a younger sibling over the same. Think about it. A kid would obviously respond to being yelled at by his parents with less retaliation than he would with a older sibling (I hope.) Only difference is the parents swear more than the sibling, but that's just cause it's the same bullshit each time. I guess that makes it more like taming a pet. If it doesn't like what's going on, it'll leave, if it really cares to stay, it won't make the same mistake twice.

I doubt that made any sense seeing as I lost my train of thought halfway through and switched analogies, but whatever.

I know Noobs are annoying but try this;

ONE person tells them what they did and what they should have done (no cussing/mean language.) and permasage.

Seriously, what has cussing ever done? It's just words. I mean, there are other ways to hurt people's feelings than cuss words, and they're damn well harsher than normal cussing. I just use cussing to emphasize my posts, that's all.

>>517 You can try it. We all have our different methods of doing things.

>>517 If we were all actually to do this, it would be doomed to failure. The only person with the known ability to permasage is the admin, of which the is only one. In theory, he could be the one to end all disputes, but he does not actively comment in the forums. This could be for a number of valid reasons, but one of the greatest being is that just because you saged someone, it doesn't mean that the issue has been put to rest. The user could do anything from generating more useless posts to corrupting as many good ones as he/she/it can. So why do so many people jump on a stupid post? Usually it's just because stupid post is very stupid and the older users get tired of having to repeat lengthy details, especially when 9 times out of 10 the user being stupid doesn't bother reading them. Many ignorant OPs also tend to ignore the first 2...3...9 people that tell them that what they're doing is wrong. This situation DOES tend to get better when the fool sees that it's not only one person that disagrees with them, but many.

Now as for swearing, I believe there's a balance to that. Cursing really doesn't hurt anything, but there are just the people that respond differently to it. Cursing, at it's core, is intended to be an expression of severity. It's like if you saw your child with a metal fork about to shove it into an electrical socket. No one could justly blame you if you ran over and slapped the utensil out of the child's hand and yelled at them for it, because if you hesitated the child could've been seriously hurt and if you don't make the issue seem like a big deal then the child will just end up trying it again. If you are too polite then your message sometimes just doesn't get across.

Insertnamehere tends to respond to negligent posts with an almost mechanical message and "an obligatory fuck you." In essence, it could be recognized as censure for something wrong while not being held as him being combatant. Honestly I believe this method works better than anything, since the OPs feel less of a need to defend themselves and just move on.

To all the randoms against the no cussing and no being rude thing :D
WHAT THE FUCK? DO YOU HAVE ANY FUCKING MANNERS! IF YOU DON'T FUCKING AGREE WHY DON'T YOU GET LOST AND LEARN SOME FUCKING MANNERS! THE DOLLARS ARE MEANT FOR GOOD PEOPLE! DON'T TREAT THEM WITH ANY FUCKING RESPECT AND THEY WILL LEAVE AND TELL YOU TO FUCK A HORSE LIKE I AM RIGHT NOW!
Don't like it :3 Well then stop swearing and learn about the invention of the soap!
Bye bye Children! Chu~ <3

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Guys, this is what we call a hypocrite.
Example: This person said to stop swearing, using cuss words, and oh, not to be rude, yet they're doing the exact same thing. They used cuss words, and they were rude. Look at that.

I think it was done on purpose.

Like, for ironic humor, but it failed horribly.

Atleast, that's how I saw it.

>>523 My sense of irony is lost when I'm on here. Or something like that. The point is! My sense of irony is lost, somehow.

>>521 I am only more inclined to curse now, if only to spite you. You embody the one type of person I hate unconditionally in any online community: acting cute after thoroughly convincing themselves that they made a good point, in the most arrogant self-righteous manner, yet being so flagrantly ignorant that it's hardly worth a response.

But here's mine.

Nobody said the Dollars was for the sort of good people you define. Cursing and being rude does not make you a bad person; believing yourself to be better than others because you side yourself with the obvious moral decision, however, does. You blame people for not living up to your personal standard of the community, which is evidence that you know Jack shit about the community to begin with.

If you need another reason for why certain members are so rude all the time, you are one of the most prominent things to blame.

Uhhh... yeah, I couldn't tell if >>521 was being sarcastic, or just an idiot...
I'll just go with the prior...

I think that deserves a slow clap malekith

>>521

>>528
Forgot to type my name.

Raccoon, is it me or did you disappear off the face of the earth for a little while?

Im sorry...Im still trying to figure out why this thread is still fucking alive...I thought we dealt with this whiteknight issue AGES ago...what the fuck is going on in this thread?

We can deal with it all we want, it'll come back like a stubborn bastard. Sometimes, it comes back stronger, like a fucking virus.

It probably just comes back cause every time someone makes a dumb thread about the topic, they get redirected back to here, and for some reason they actually DO transfer the topic over, thus bumping it.

>>532>>533 That makes sense.
Ugh..lol

>>530
I keep getting a PRX-something-something error when I try enter the site/post/click on images stating shit is malformed. It has been a lot of trouble for me. Also, work is getting busy.

I'll keep it concise so it won't be too painful to read this, but:
Politely correct them with patience so we can get bigger due to more people wanting to stay, after they've joined for w/e purpose they had. Quit flaming. You're turning what's pissing one party off into what's pissing both parties off. Learn a better compromise. I'm sure many here have already agreed on something similar.

>>536 *big inhale*

No.

White Knighting is no longer an accepted method.

>>536 My response to this is the same in >>520. The majority of people that actually get pissed off by someone swearing are those that refuse to see the reason behind it.

>>536 Here are some handy links that explain exactly why raging/flaming/cussing is the accepted method for dealing with those who make mistakes:

The Reason of The Rude

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If you truly want to know and understand the reasoning behind us being so blunt and mean, then read all above linked posts.

>>536 nope.

~We are the Dollars, if we don't all cooperate and get along then we can't all be one.

>>541 Few of us here are intent on being one.

>>1 oI'm general a thread watcher, only really psting when I'm bored. Though the older membe rs are nice when you don't mess up. Its like when you have a really cool teacher that will call out all your fuck ups as if they were your best friend.

>>543 Seems fairly accurate to me. I haven't seen many instances over the last 7 months that would disprove this analogy.

We aren't mean, we're blunt. Why? Because its the most effective way for people to learn.

>>539 for the index of important comments.

>>541 >>542

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If you truly want to know and understand the reasoning behind us being so blunt and mean, then read all above linked posts.

>>543 that was....a pretty accurate analogy actually. Why don't you post more often again?

Anyways, just read the posts in the index above if you want the long, boring version of why shit happens the way it does.

oh great, now i get it why all of them are so fucking sound like my grandma's fart. rude and noisy...okay. i'll try my best not to be stupid anymore. im so sorry for making all you mad *bow

>>546 For the record, not that many of us are much older than you, most likely. Unless you're like, 10.

The general assumption tends to be "Oh it's a lot of OLD PEOPLE bossing me around" when several of us are as young as 14-16.

I think that most of those who are called older on this site, mean that they've been on this site longer than most of us...?

>>548
Bingo!

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If you truly want to know and understand the reasoning behind us being so blunt and mean, then read all above linked posts.

>>545 thanks, I normally don't post often n because I'm on my cell phone that drives me mad with grammatical errors.
>>544 thanks as well. I agree humans are just hard headed sometimes and a shock like that is the only way they'll understand.

us older members want peace you noobs are too roudy and act like this is a fan site!!! now get over it yah wimp!!!

>>551 It doesn't help the case if you call yourself an older member.

...

Wait, who are you even

>>552 She/He has been going around acting all pompous for the past week or so :V Even though Etza is an idiot whose opinions are liked by nobody, she/he seems to think they're amazing and better than other members.

Don't mean to be harsh >>551, but you've been a complete asshole lately.

>>551 What is wrong with you? Like Barabi said, you've been a complete asshole lately. It's one thing to correct someone, it's quite another to be wrong when you're yelling at them. So really, you've just been baselessly insulting people. And another thing, how can you call yourself an older member when people only found out you existed a week ago? Or in Misuto's and my case, today. And why would you give yourself that title? You're just supporting the people you were insulting.

Keep in mind that a major theme of the argument here is that seniority means absolutely jack shit. A level-headed member can join, and on day one of their membership, they can be a better contributor to discussion and organization than more than half the people on the site. It's entirely possible.

On top of that, at no point have the purported "older members" ever fronted their seniority over anyone like it gives them more authority - at least, until just now, when you did that. But as far as I'm concerned, you don't count.

I agree, newer members can have as much of an impact as anyone else. Good or bad. But regardless of which side of the spectrum, they are still new and deserve a chance to make mistakes. That's what makes us human, after all.

>>556 Please... read the thread. Or at least read the posts linked in >>545. The matter is pretty much settled. This being bumped is mainly for reference sake so you can see why some people come off as rude.

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Figured i'd just bump this page with the table of contents thing in tow.

>>558 Thanks :O I had something important in the clipboard and was being lazy lol

>>1 Great , that's what I'm talking about :X:X

>>560....The Reason of The Rude

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Please, if we go through the trouble to make an index for people to actually read, read it. It is there for YOUR benefit and refusing to read it does several unpleasant things, namely we get ignored and feel like you do not give a damn and YOUR opinion gets ignored because it is not made based on what was said.

I, too have seen how rude some of the members can be. And it's hard to tell them the difference between telling the truth and being a jerk. I just think we all need to be more considerate of eachother instead of cursing at eachother if we don't agree on something . We all are working together for the same cause after all...

>>562 Can you not read? Perhaps you're just too lazy to.

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Please, if we go through the trouble to make an index for people to actually read, read it. It is there for YOUR benefit and refusing to read it does several unpleasant things, namely we get ignored and feel like you do not give a damn and YOUR opinion gets ignored because it is not made based on what was said.

>>562

You're the type of people that we NEED to be rude towards, it appears. People with a thick head like yours, that refuse to listen to the obvious shit that needs to be fucking said.

564 Why do u feel the need to be such a jerk? And why don't you watch your mouth he didn't say anything wrong.

>>565 It's not what he said that was wrong, it was his ignorance and inability to read at least some of the posts mentioned in >>563.

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Please, if we go through the trouble to make an index for people to actually read, read it. It is there for YOUR benefit and refusing to read it does several unpleasant things, namely we get ignored and feel like you do not give a damn and YOUR opinion gets ignored because it is not made based on what was said.

>>562 i agree
>>564 theres nothing wrong with what >>562 said. its all true

>>569 once again, shut your hole.

>>569 Before anyone will care about your comment, you're required to read the following posts:

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Come back once you're read every single one of them, mmkies~? Until then, we don't give a fuck ;O

People seem to keep saying "ignore each other if it's something we don't agree on", but it's the fucking rules. No shit is given if you disagree with the site rules, it's the fucking site rules. What the fuck.

I do not think rudeness is needed here. No ones more important then another person. I'm new and i already now that.

>>573 Perhaps, but there are people who show far more intelligence than other people. There are people who follow the rules, and people who read the information they need to have a valid opinion. You are apparently not one of these people.

We gave you a nice little list of things you should read, and it appears you completely disregarded all of them. You, like many other lazy and ignorant others before you, seem to have read the OP, and decided that it was good enough to spout your ramblings. If you had actually taken the time to read >>571, and all of the comments linked there, you may have a vague idea of how wrong you actually are.

>>573

You're new and know jack fucking shit. Reason rudeness is needed. You're a perfect fucking example of the flat out filth known as stupidity.

You people think you can waltz right on end, and post shit, may it be stupid, duplicated, or against our rules, then expect us, and/ or demand from us, to play nice and be nice because you're new.

Being new doesn't mean shit. It means you're obligated, better yet told to, read what is needed of you, so you can be a better, functional member of this site. It doesn't imply you have leeway only because you're new. Not by a fucking long shit.


If you think you deserve to be treated with respect right away, get the fuck out of here, moron. If you THINK you deserve it, earn it. Now...or leave. No other options.

>>575

Right on in, not right on end.

Thiamor, Umbra explained it in a way that wasn't flat-out irate yelling. Cut the guy a break, only need one guy to yell at him regardless of his ignorance - not like he said something completely stupid.

Just relink the list.


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Read these for context. Until then, we consider any further comments you post on this thread to be invalid due to ignoring the rest of the conversation.

>>577

But you know how I am, so really stating that is, no offense, kind of dumb. I'll still, always, voice my opinion. It's just who I am.

>>578 then one may be able to argue that you are part of the unintelligent masses, or that you really are just out to be mean about it. I'm not claiming you're either of those things, but it's like we've told many people, how people are viewed on this site is based partially on the depth of what you contribute, whether you follow the rules or not, and how you sort of carry yourself in a conversation. I would have understood your angry rant if it had been done not too much longer after Umbra's, or if you had some additional info you wanted to provide, but you really didn't

TL:DR calm down. not worth getting worked up over this shit.

I'v read about the frist 100 post but theres just WAY to much stuff going on to keep up with I think my head is going to explode just trying to keep up. Not to be rude. But I do under stand where the old memmbers come from and some of the new memmbers to. I'm a new memmber and I'v been some what; ok i'v been a dick ever since I join. But that cuzz some of the othere memmber/older memmbers have been dicks to me from the time i'v join. Now yea we could and should read the rest of the post but not every one has that kind of time. And yea I know i don't spell but you don't have to kill me for it. I'm just saying that mabe some of the older memmbers could just be a little nicer? And no i didn't read the whole post so don't kill me if you all have all ready talked about this TY. And I'll try to do better as a new memmber too.

>>580 you were supposed to read the stuff that was indexed.