I don't know how else to consolidate the various complaints of this thread, but until we decide on some kind of standard for how to organize this board I figure we could use a thread for it. Feel free to close/sage this thread when it's deemed obsolete, mods.

Basically, it's been suggested for a while that the music board is cluttered and hard to organize. People post threads for multiple genres all the time, we have a ridiculous number of threads for bands/artists/groups with only a couple posts (if any) to back them up, etc. This thread is just to discuss what goes where and why, kind of like a mini-FAQ discussion.

I'm a bit iffy about making this thread, actually, since it's technically not about music. So make sure to make use of the sage function if you aren't making a significant contribution to the discussion - anyone that cares can just find the thread again, after all.

Honestly though I just want an excuse to articulate my complaints at length. I'd imagine they're numerous enough to warrant attention in the board itself rather than the previous discussion topic in Suggestions - but if I'm wrong, again, feel free to say so and get the thread closed or saged.

Anyway, here's a few remarks on my end:

• J-metal and J-rock aren't any different from metal and rock. It just means they're in a different language. J-pop and K-pop are maybe sort of arguable as different from Pop, but I would beg to differ.
• I think we need something similar to the art sharing thread in the Art board to screen which topics warrant their own threads. If a band generates discussion it can be moved out.
• This is a music discussion board, but a good amount of it is just listing songs or bands without really regarding others' opinions. Going along with the last point, I'd much prefer threads like the Song Analysis thread than 5 "best anime song" threads and a hundred "ever heard of this band no okay that's okay" threads.

Hoping this will get the ball rolling on finally cleaning up this mess.

You'll find that there are like...three members who take this board seriously.

I agree that the endless postings is a little ridiculous, but it happens in all the boards, not just Music. Not to say I think the newbs should run rampant, but I think the people who actually care about this site take the time to find the threads they want. I know I have no issue just finding and/or bumping my thread in here. (Make your own music? Plug it here!)

I dunno, I guess i just think it's kinda pointless to complain too much. We point out dupe threads like in every other board. Beyond that, what is there to do?

My complaints were moreso about how disorganized it was. We get a thread for every single band in existence and very few of them generate discussion. Though it does make it easy to search for should someone ever bother to look.

Perhaps my arguments are unfounded though? If it's really not as big a deal as I'm making it then that's just fine.

I know a large chunk of the "ever heard of this band no okay that's okay" threads in questions were by me, considering I've done around....maybe 30 at this point? In each one though, I always make an effort to try to convince people to listen by giving them background info and letting them know if it will match their taste or not. The problem I see with getting rid of those individual group threads is that I (and anyone else who puts an attempt in) work hard to create those threads and attempt to get people interested.

I personally don't think that making forcing them all into genre threads is a good idea, though keep in mind everything I say from this point on is biased cause I don't want my 30-something threads to disappear. On Animation, arguably our most used board aside from Main and Random, response would certainly be negative if we made threads for genres instead of individual shows. Likewise, on Sports, unarguably the least used of our main boards, the few people that frequent it would probably be disappointed if leagues and sports were forced into a thread specifically on the type of game they were: stick-and-ball, martial art, etc. On other boards such as Films, Games, and Lit, genre threads exist, but it's unquestionable to get rid of movie, game, or book specific threads just to avoid clutter. It would generalize everything too much.

Another problem I have with genre-specific threads on Music is that fans (especially younger or inexperienced ones, most of whom are doing the dupe threads anyway) looooove to argue over the genres of groups. I don't see much point in that unless the genre label is totally off the mark, but it's an easy way to turn a thread to a shitstorm.

So for those reasons, I don't want to see artist threads replaced with genre threads. The Music board does however, need to be cleaned. There are many dupes weekly like every other board, but as of late, permasaging has found its way off this board far more so than many of the others. We have dupe threads that go unsaged for a long time, even after being bumped off the page, which just creates more clutter. The most common offenders have been Vocaloid threads, the K/J-pop threads, and threads of minimally informative "this band is good listen to them hope you like em" threads. We do need to clear these out, it's undeniable.

I mostly agree with Chimera though in that there are very few members here that take this board seriously. Between us, I don't think there will be much opposition to the fact that things need to be cleans, but there isn't a whole lot we can do at this stage that isn't the obvious norm for cleaning a board out. I don't think there needs to be any reform in the way threads are created- there just needs to be better created-threads.

I'll be back later if/when this discussion continues. I'm willing to discuss more, since the Music board is the main reason I come back here nowadays.

Main Board has sub-boards, right?(y'know the introductions, countries, missions, suggestions.) What if we apply same concept to some boards? Like for example this music board, If we make a sub-board for bands in which all things about bands can only be posted there (either member's favorite band or why-this-band-even-exist topics or this-band-is-better-than-your-band topics).

Don't know. It is just a suggestion anyway.

Let's get down to business.

1) Those threads like this, http://dollars-bbs.org/music/res/1303704980.html have to stop. If you like K-Pop and K-Indie, then have 2 threads not one. For organization's sake, please.

2) Albums and songs are a big no-no. If you like an Album, put it under that band. This is a big problem simply because Music can be broken down so far from Genre, to band, to album, and then to song. Let's stop at band.

3) I feel like the mods don't bother to check this thread and clean it. Please, mods. There are almost 5 Volcaloid dupes.

4) We do not need a band for ever possible band ever in existence. While Yata makes a good point in, >>5, those threads are what bumps off all the threads getting Duped. A majority of those threads don't even get over 20 posts, if they even get one. Put the band under the correct genre, and if people like it, then carry on by making a thread.

5) If you make a thread, be informative. Too many of the band threads aren't informative, which means anyone who doesn't know them can't reply. Most boards don't have this problem, but this one does. If we need to make a template just for making a band thread on this board, we can.

6) While I disagree with what OP said about J-Rock being just Rock, I see where they are going. Alternative Rock doesn't need it's own thread when you can dump it in the Rock thread. Perhaps we can have a thread for Korean Music and Japanese Music? Since the whole from page is usually filled with different genres of both, it really pisses me off.

7) We do not want a thread for every faggot asking for music suggestions. Either you can go to the appropriate threads that discuss that genre or we can have one thread where you can ask for Music Suggestions. The choice is yours.

8) Faggots. I also don't want a thread for every possible instrument ever made. I use the same rule of thumb as bands. You put it in the instruments thread and if enough people like it you can give it its own thread.

9) I think there should be a post limit to threads that get to live. The only Board that has as many threads as this one is Random, and even Random doesn't have as many dead threads as this one. At least those threads can reach 5. Very few of the threads on here actually have 10+ replies. If no one else knows your band, then no one else will respond, ever. All of this shit lying around that only has 1 post is just a clutterfuck.

10) If anyone is going to bitch about, "J-Pop shouldn't be combined with J-Metal" then we can do OPs idea where J-Rock is combined with Rock. No If people visit this board and only see Japanese and Korean threads, they won't be interested.

Thank you for listening.

Honestly, I just think the mods need to crack down on dupe threads harder. I mean seriously, do we need 3 vocaloid/ 4 anime song threads and threads that have more than one genre completely unrelated to one another?

>>8 This really. I still don't like all of the threads that get one post and are never seen again, though.

Fuck you all for bumping this off.

>>10 Well obviously you know what this means, then.

^

>>5 However, on Animation, each thread gets far more than a few replies in most cases. It's a different story, imo.

I really hate to suggest this, but perhaps one way we could reduce the amount the amount of dupes on this board would be to make a few good, official threads for the kinds of music that's really popular with most of the members on here (you know, Vocaloid, J-Pop/Rock, etc.), and well, just keep bumping them when they get too low. It should reduce the amount of dupes, at least a little bit, and ignorance is no longer an excuse in that situation.

The only problem with this that I can think of is the fact that if there are too many of those threads (and there'd need to be at least 4 or 5), there'd be very little space left over for better ones., really.

Still. It might be an improvement over what we have now.

>>13
or people can just ctrl+f and see if there is already a thread about whatever they are about to make a new thread about.

>>14
In a perfect world, people would. We're bringing alternate suggestions up because they aren't.