Hey hey hey! I haven't been on too much as of late, nor have I posted a whole lot on here yet. Even so, I have a lovely discussion for you all, if you wish to take part. And please do, I believe this could be such a fun discussion! <3

I really feel that there is a difference between true evil and actions that people sometimes view as evil. Motivation is the biggest difference in my opinion. True evil is motivated by the desire for pain, agony and destruction. True evil has no other reason for acting other than that. Now, what many of us view as evil is really just humans acting in accordance with their desire to live their life how they want and feel is best - sadly, much of it is done in ignorance and fear, hence the usually less than positive outcomes. But that is not evil - foolish and ignorant, maybe, but not true evil.

Just some things I ponder once in awhile. What is your opinion on the matter? Let's really get down and dirty on this!

I resonate with this.

I'm excited to hear that input people have about it.

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Wrong place for this, please look under Personal or Random.
Thank you.
/saged

No, this is where it's supposed to be.

bump it up!

Many people view Lucifer as evil but as a Satanist I can assure you he's far from. Man is the only true evil. (Well besides Cthulu)

So example of true evil, I want to eat your soul, or hmmm lets see I want to devour your soul, something like that? Ok now what I am going to say will be inappropriate for some but isn't true evil hmmm, a satanist kills and chops off a sheep's head and drinks the blood of the dead animal, while doing that this satanist has sex with multiple demons, you know what I don't wanna go too far on this it may be too much.

Of course Lucifer is ummm hmmm lets just say hes evil, but pure evil drops in categories of demons so yeah fuck that shit.

Funny thing is that The Devil was never the one who meant harm to humans. As it goes, Satan knew that God was withholding free will from his creations and Satan Rebelled against it, as he saw that this was wrong, and made it be that the apple from the tree of wisdom was eaten, God was furious with this and cast both Satan under the earth and Adam and Eve out of his Garden of Eden.

Satan is seen to be evil, but as the lure goes, he's very much nothing more than the person who stood against the system of a corrupt God.

Now don't start fucking things up here, I know it's your own personal opinion but before Lucifer did that it was something else that got him kicked, first he got kicked then he was cast, then after all that mess he then went to garden of eden and tricked eve into eating the apple, they had free will but Lucifer has other plans one he does not give shit about anyone, but heaven yes he still has feelings about I guess, but fallen angels and demons are one's doing the actual dirty work, Lucifer is much a by stander right now.

And he did it all by purpose, I'm not saying he's wrong or anything but now look him and 1/3 of God squad fell, then we have demons but if I were to describe myself on how truly evil I am, lets say if I am pushed to certain lengths, then I may hurt somebody hard, I have a chart of certain evil stages for myself.

>>10 You're wrong.

Oh shit, no you're right.
>>10

Enigma, I have to politely disagree with you. The Main Board is for important, real discussion. I feel this subject is both, don't you? Sure, I have asked for personal opinion on the subject, but evil is something that touches on all realms of our lives.

Anyways, I have agree about Lucifer, as depicted in the Bible, not truly being evil. Then again, I do not know much else on his story, so perhaps you can shed more light on his evil, Kids?

Also, religion is fine, but do you have some human examples of Evil or actions that were mistook as evil? Such as war - how many wars have really fought against evil? WW2 comes to mind, but I still haven't been fully convinced even the Nanos nor Hitler as being evil. Yes, they did horrendous actions against groups of people for ignorant reasons, but was it truly evil that motivated them? Hmmm, sometimes I wish Hitler had lived to tell his side of the tale.

... If that's seriously what you think Satanism is about then you need to go back to Sunday school, little boy.

Reply 10 was not in anger, everyone has the rights to speak, hell we always had the rights to speak.

Hitler's actions were evil no other explanation on that, he knew what he was doing, also knew that it was wrong killing millions I don't find any other explanation on what he did.

I think Lazaro got it right. What really is right and wrong in the world? I mean, if a person says eating pig is wrong, and the other eats pig, then is the latter person evil? I don't think so.

That doesn't make someone evil, it's more like doing evil is evil that evil makes you evil, I'm lost I/

I truly believe it is the reasoning, the motivation behind your actions that decide whether you are evil. I may kill to defend or protect, but I am not killing because I simply wanted to kill. Killing for the sake of killing, hurting for the sake of hurting - true evil does evil deeds just for the sake of doing the deed, no other reason.

Oh Lazaro you basically answered the whole entire problem to this topic, your right 99.99% but there are some actions that are obvious to settle.

I believe that right and wrong are purely objective. They don't really exist, Good and bad are seen by relevancy. It all depends on where you stand in any particular conflict, what's believed in and how what's taking place effects you personally. It's all derived from a feeling. The primal instinct to protect what's yours, anything else is seen as bad, or hostile.

That's not what I believe. When I see good and bad, right or wrong, the only thing my eyes see are people protecting what's important to them. They're stopping a threat from jeopardizing what they believe in or their particular way of life. Right and wrong are decided by the status quo and those who are held in positions of authority. Objective morality and social standards are all set in place by the same principal.

The way I see it, what's seen as good is focusing your actions outward to benefit the people around you. Acts of selflessness.

That's seen as evil is focusing inward and satisfying your own needs over the well being of the community around you. Acts of selfishness.

All else is purely ogmented on where you stand, and how you view what's taking place.

ogmented

Do you mean "augmented?"

Ok are we talking about evil in general or specifically, cause I'm losing track.

I wouldn't view it as evil if anyone chose to slit Ryku's throat.

the poor bastard.

I would.

Aww, don't you mean Ryuk?

And that's based on your belief.

I prefer to burn trash, personally.
But I guess one man's trash is another man's treasure.

Now toxic savior how would you like it if I came barging In your home and murdered the hell out of your family, I killed your mom, sisters and started raping them before their deaths, oh now your dad all pissed in the corner I decide to stab him in the leg then the chest, afterwards the heart, well your brothers ummm about them ohhhhh this is the good part, but spoilers, and then I leave you behind to rot, get so enraged you want to just kill me for what I did this is the part it gets bloody. Remember this is an example of how you would feel, cause I'm pretty sure no one likes their mom and sisters into the equation so yeah, you shouldn't want others throat to be slit at all, keep talking like that watch the road it brings you to.

He probably murdered them, himself. Have you seen his behavior on this site?

Sure did.

I left home when I was 16 so I dunno. I don't talk to my family much. I've been on my own since.

Now now, he was just helping you out. :) We all have spelling errors time to time, no worries.

And yes, I feel very much the same as Water. A lot of it is objective and varies from each person's perspective. But, I still believe there is true evil in the world - don't worry, though, it is a miniscule number of individuals that are evil. Like certain serial killers, the ones who killed for no real reason than they could.

I believe that as darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of God in the hearts of the men.

Hey, we don't need to divulge into acting like belligerent fools now! Please keep it civil and fun, guys!

I knew it cause how you was talking it didn't sound like a adult to say such a thing, but i was right for one you must've did leave home or something, so why you did it huh, mommy and daddy was not caring enough, but hey it's nun of my business, and also dude just quit the cussing and crap that ain't gonna help you anytime or anywhere just apologize and stop stitposting for starters and dont get kicked again.

Go fuck yourself, Kida.

Ok I wonder how that would look once you go suck it for once, you don't want help do you, is there a counseling board or some shit cause mister tough guy ain't all that tough he may kick the bucket sometime sooner or later, so he needs help, but I'm sorry don't you have any friends go bust some heads with them, lost cause does that fit you at best.

>>38 Alright, enough, both of you. Water, go to test. I made a thread. Respond and let me know if you understand and agree. Stop harassing each other, and focus on the meaning of the thread, instead.

You feeling alright?

Yeah I am, but back to the topic at hand, now sorry for your loss.

Personally I do not really believe in "pure" evil, it is all a matter of perspective, you view someone else as evil because you can not fathom the reason they chose to do an action, you can speculate about why they did it but it probably will only be a small part of why they did it, I mean killing out of revenge, is that protecting someone or something? No. Is it evil? Yes and no, I mean an eye for an eye could be the logic at play here so the person might only be doing what he thinks is fair but to others it seems just pure evil, but then isn't the person killed in revenge evil too since they probably did something similar? What if that person was a foreign soldier who killed your father in a military attack? To his country and to others he would be considered a hero, while to you he would be considered evil, and since it's all down to perspective I do not believe in pure evil.

Alright, Ryukagoka. See you there.


Kida, you're sounding delirious. If you're experiencing any kind of mania, sluggishness or feelings of dread, you should drink four cups of water mixed with electrolytes and get a heft rest. You may feel a great deal better, if at all you're as unhealthy as you're sounding.

Finally.

oh Adam and Eve stories~ fun. I wanna give my own version of the story now.

So after creating Adam, God asked all his subjects to bow to him. The only one who didn't was Satan on the basis of 'why should I bow to someone made of dirt? I'm made of fire which makes me better than him'.

So after saying this y'knowww God got angry and Satan would be punished with eternity in hell when the time came. So with that verdict, Satan vowed to make God's creation, humans, to commit many crimes and take them down to hell with him.

So pride has always been the biggest killer of all things. Hey there's too much to say on this so I'm gonna keep this simple in the meantime.

>>42 I completely agree with that. Good and evil is all dependent on where someone stands on the subject.

I disagree that true evil doesn't exist. I do believe it is in this world, it is just very rare and in a small amount. Much of what Kro said is how I feel about it, but you all are missing a subject. And trigger warning. What about rapists? Or serial killers? Do someone of them contain true evil?

True evil exist, its just that (in my opinion) not many have encountered and like lived through it.
Things aren't the same any more. People view ignorance, foolishness and wrong actions as evil. Which is not the best way to view things, however, thats just how people view it as humans.
I feel like people need to learn how to overcome the habit of looking at the faults people have, because that's what creates disagreements which leads to wars and fights.
But true evil? it exist.
I personally believe in demons and Satan. Those are plainly pure evil. For they create those disagreements, by playing with the minds of people.

I disagree with that. I believe true evil is all around us, and that anybody is capable of unlocking it. Most stop themselves from going that far, but in the deepest, darkest part of your mind, it is there, waiting for you to snap. Remember, a bomb is not a bomb just because the wick is lit.

>>49 Woah, I typed so little in such a long time. I disagree with >>47, btw.

>>47
In those scenarios I agree with you that they are pretty evil, and yeah maybe I said it doesn't exist because I have not yet encountered it, or maybe I am just hoping it doesn't exist, or maybe it's my nature of trying to see the best in people, but yeah in relatively rare scenarios (I mean compared to the billions of interactions humans have each day) true evil can be seen, I take back what I said about it not eisitng

In Shintoism, it is believed that all are born pure. All evil comes from the evil Kami that may influence or possess

Ryuk, I feel you are speaking of what people would call evil deeds. Killing another, hurting others, all of that which causes pain to others can be viewed as evil deeds, but does performing an evil deed make you yourself evil? Do you have moments where you literally want to hurt people for no reason than just to hurt? I would think not, it is more a response from something like fear or pain, etc. I think few people relative to the overall population actually desire to cause pain just to cause pain. I just don't feel committing an evil deed outright makes you evil.

And might I add that this has turned into a wonderful discussion indeed! <3 Thank you all for the input and opinions!

Yo wow what happened.

I know. To be honest, I thought this would be permasaged right now.

You guys do know that evil is evil and always will be, bad is bad and will always be bad, so for that evil is our thoughts and actions that leads to whats in the middle of the equation, if we all gather what information we know we could all solve this like a puzzle piece, so my thoughts can be evil and my actions good just as my thoughts can be positive and my actions evil, if I told my son go do the dishes and he say's no, and if I am to tell my other son to do the dishes and he say's yes he will, but then later the son who says he ain't doing squat does them while the other who say's he would doesn't do them, which son is obedient, just that if this was another matter wich son is truly evil.

Why do you say that, Ryuk? I find this has brought about a good many responses about a very deep aspect of humanity. It is thrilling to me.

Not to be rude, but I am having trouble following you /Kida. Then again, it is late for me and I am just exhausted so it could be me @.@

Anyways, hope you all have a wonderful and well-rested night!

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Before we can identify evil or bad, we have to know what is good. What is good? I believe that morality is subjective and is almost entirely influenced based on environment. This explains how mass morality is constantly changing throughout human history. Non-human animals (humans are animals, that's a fact) do not have a sense of morality. Not only that but evolution naturally benefits those that are "immoral". Its all about survival of the fittest. Who do you think would survive: an animal that gives all its food to other animals or an animal that is greedy and keeps all of it for himself? Not only does the greedy animal not run out of food, but it also becomes bigger and stronger than the other animals, making it even more fit for survival.

This is kind of a build off the first reply and just some things I didn't say in the first one. Just to basically sum all of it up and what it means: morality doesn't really exist, in fact, immorality is encouraged and facilitated naturally through evolution. Really all morality comes down to is what an individual likes/tolerates and doesn't like/doesn't tolerate.

>>60
I disagree with the fact that the greedy animal would survive more as being greedy and taking more than you need might make it an enemy of the other animals, and even if the greedy animal is fitter, it is on its own, so would it survive longer? Not necessarily, or at least that is my opinion.

>>62
You have actually proposed a very good point. I can't think of any animal species that can act greedy like that and survive totally solo. Most travel in packs, even if small. So sure, independent survival depends on the fittest, but overall survival of the species relies more on the ones who can be the most helpful to the majority. Still, I do agree with >>60 about morality being a mostly human construct. The only true sin I personally acknowledge is needless, reasonless destruction or pain. Which I think is really rare, can't say I have ever met anyone like that.

Im too tired for this type of discussion, someone, guys yu can ask a college professor on human life or whatever falls into the evil aspects, Ive done lots of research, and it came to me what and why is evil again? I mustve forgotten the feeling.

damn people are assholes when it comes to the right places to post......
but yes! i think this quit a lot! thank you for making this.

But what if you feel as though you are evil because of the people around you? And the pain and agony are taken out through destruction and no other way to get rid of them? i know your talking mostly about big physical destruction like bombs but what about inner destruction too?

This is interesting, despite the fact that the topic has been around for a long time.
But I believe that there is no reason for "true evil". A person does this without feeling anything, nothing at all. A good example is Hannibal Lecter.
If you delve into his history, then he committed murders, not out of his desire, but simply because he could. He could do it without feeling anything. I think this is the true evil.