In interest of the re-occurring themes of 'Free thinking, right and wrong, morality, justice, principal and righteousness' for those who set out to make the world a little bit of a better place by chipping away at the no longer useful, corrupt or problematic elements of a systematically law ridden community of any shape or form.

I've found that those who are morally firm enough to act significantly against the grain are met with an equal but effective current of strife or conflict whenever they chose to stand or speak up either for their own beliefs or against the over all beliefs of the community around them, no matter how right or wrong this movement may seem.

My overall question is a very broad one, all that I want to know is if you, personally, have anything to say about this 'hive' mentality, if you have any opinions or beliefs on the subject and for those that have experienced this kind of chaotic dilemma for themselves brought on by their own toxic actions for whatever cause they felt was for the greater good and the bettering of whatever they're own personal aim was, to speak up and/or speak out on conflicts and experiences they've had when doing so.

>>1

This is off topic. But...

I got my section8 approved two months after I became homeless.
I have an apartment now. I just wanted thank you for the advice.
"DO NO HARM BUT TAKE NO SHIT."

That saved me from getting beat up or possibly even getting killed.

Thank you.

>>2
I remember you, you went by a different name and you posted a some about spirituality, I'm not to sure what that name was but I'll know it when I see it again. I've been wondering how you were doing lately to be honest with you, I'm so happy you took the time to let me know what's been going on.

As you probably know, I was homeless for a time too, and I understand what kind of rough or disturbing situations you can get into by virtue of just trying to say alive. I'm so happy something I said stuck with you, I'm surprised you remembered what was said. If you'd like you can contact me on Facebook. My name tag is the same as here, just like on all social media.

I think about you a little more than you'd think, even though your name is something that slipped my mind.

Hey !!!como ayudas a diaria a dia? \\\\Hey , as aid day to day ???

As I observed, this 'hive' mentality is the result of people not wanting to take responsibility for their actions and going on their own way. It's the fear of doing something that puts them between the rock and a hard place that makes them not wanting to be different. And being moral, good, free, justice-loving and strong-willed, that's the liberty we all, rightfully, benefit since we were born.

"You can't be free when you're not responsible." -Mircea Eliade

Yeah, I think I know what you mean.

>>7

Right! Thank you :)

I attempt to follow utilitarianism as a general rule of thumb. With every action, step back and evaluate which decision will make the most people happy.I'll

i agree, many fail to identify the mistakes in their own reasoning, such as those due to perspective. I think in order for those to truly participate in such discussion, it is necessary to each individual to discuss from another's perspective, never their own.

>>10
Would not discussing anything be based on ones own perspective? To deny that you have a perspective and claim to be viewing something from another's viewpoint is only a warped perception of your own, attempting to apply your own logic to another's situation and seeing if the logic is consistent.
Also, wouldn't reasoning be based on your perception? If another's perception sees their reasoning as right then it wouldn't really be wrong, not to them at least. A mistake in reasoning thus would not be an error in perception but perhaps not thinging clearly enough on the decision.
(Bah, I hope my logic is consistent here ^^; hey, feel free to point out any flaws in my argument!)

>>1
To answer the question on my opinion of hive mentality...
With the way things are (in this I mean the way the world is in its views in education, life, morality and whatnot) from what I've observed cannot be avoided. Sure, every human is unique in its genetic information but if the differences are minimal in each human then in a way it wouldn't matter. There are things that all humans share and even that gives the impression of a hive mentality.
(Look at me, I'm so naive XD)

>>11 I think you have a good point there,
but what if the current hive mentality is obsolete or is toxic to it's community, only each individual person is too afraid to break away from it, in hopes that the community can grow rather than the loyalty to the hive?

>>12
In that case it would be a matter of adaptability and who has the better system. This new system may or may not follow hive mentality but if people are to work together (aka have a community) I think some form of it is needed since there needs to be a common ground for them all so they can relate to each other. (Hey this is fun XD)

>>13 Then how would that new system be implemented, because every hive has it's officers who maintain the order within it, and that will cause an uproar which could ultimately divide it's people and lead to the fall of a community.

>>14
Not necessarily, from what I see you are arguing any community will disband because of its moderators. If you observe current societies I can see how you reach that conclusion, but I think that's an unfair comparison because although their societies don't work doesn't mean a new one wouldn't either. Theoretically, if you had a community which with every new leader could maintain its agreements with its peoples couldn't that work?

#####This especially goes out to the dollars that want to make GREAT things happen######

What do I think about the hive mentality? Especially with regards to the dollars.

The dollars do have two conforming mentalities.

1.I describe as you said Water. It's the hive "mentality". Like drones we follow the leader instead of the HEART. And I think it can sometimes lead the dollars astray from their potential. Which is moving beyond anonymous and making this a fucking awesome
world.

2. The second conforming mentality is the FAMILY MENTALITY. I learned this lesson the hard way. When I first came to this site. I came with an ambitious rage to change the world. I think this site wasn't very much used to that. It was more of a place for people to share fine art and to console one another about their problems.

My guess is that I must of looked like an asshole bringing in the problems of the real world into this peaceful community with no such problems. I was corrupting the homeostasis of a well functioning family.

Despite having moral and idealistic intent. I was treated like the enemy, (or so I felt) being questioned, trolled, and eventually ignored.

There in lies the dollars greatest strength though. FAMILY. When someone fucks with the way we like things we get pissed. And the same thing goes for Anonymous.(In fact that's how they started being hactivist) If you're trying to get the dollars ready for world change.... don't. We have a family. We will defend it if we have to. And we don't need an enemy to come in and ruin things because one is already well on it's way. Just have fun and keep making friends. And also keep doing your missions.

>>16 >>16 >>16

I'm going to send this to Bryan Luna, he's going to be as happy t read this as I am.

>>17
We all suffer for a reason.

I've learned that nothing in life is the enemy. Everything is your help. We should all remember this every step of the way.

That's very true,
and I could not agree more.

"You can't run away" is an ideal for the strong. You're not always wrong. Society, the world, the people around you - often someone else is in the wrong. To think that you can change is adapting to this cruel, indifferent, trashy world. It's admitting defeat and servility. You're simply deceiving yourself by dressing it up with pretty words.

>>16 And was it the HEART that told you you'd like to drown every member in this site "one by one?"
http://dollars-bbs.org/personal/res/1331875337.html#1134

>>My guess is that I must of looked like an asshole bringing in the problems of the real world into this peaceful community with no such problems. I was corrupting the homeostasis of a well functioning family.

Give me an example of this, because all I ever read were your incomplete thoughts and messages about hating yourself and wanting to kill yourself, being nice one moment then telling people to kill themselves the next, while using 2 or 3 different usernames.

Are you SURE you came to this site with "ambitious rage to change the world" and that the sites and the members' "mentality" is what stopped you? Seriously? People can say from the beginning that this isnt the site for that. In your rage filled rant I linked earlier, you mentioned how we're not Anonymous at all...

But if a random site full of random strangers is what's stopping you from making a difference in the world...was your ambition even that strong to begin with?
Or even a better question... Why did you come back after saying you never would?

Well if you not agree with something you speak up.You can't stand someone or something you speak up.It's only showing your opinion.Nothing wrong with that.Now will you win discussion or no is something else!

>>21 There's no point dragging that shit up now, to be frank. I know it's annoying, but just let it be. At least they are civil now, whether or not that was by convincing themselves of something you don't think is true.

>>23 He ASKED ME to comment on what he had said. That's the ONLY reason I said this >>21, that's the only reason I gave it any mind. He kept jabbering on about mentality and how our hive likes to suppress him.

I just wanted to point out that "our hive" never suppressed him, but he suppresses himself with his own delusions and making an enemy out of seemingly everybody, even the people who considered him a friendly person and valuable member.

>>21 I completely forgot about this.

"ANd was this the heart that told you that you would like to drown every member of this sight."

I actually forgot I even said that. I'm not singular. I'm not all good. I am evil as well as good. Isn't that part of being human?

To drown every member of this sight.I did say that though. I didn't mean that. I never meant it. I'm really sorry. I just felt violated and angry. For years I felt safe coming here...looking for help....trusting people....because I could never find that in my lousy dysfunctional, and incomplete family.

At the same time, I knew full well that the emotions that I was having where irrational. However they weren't going away. So I went to the complaining thread just to vent. And even amidst the rage I still went here because I feel stuck. For so long I have come here.

To recall information when I need it. It's not something I'm always good at. Rather I just get all the emotions out the way by first writing poetically or ranting. That's why I'm recalling this so late.

>> Give me and example of this....honestly like I said that was just a guess.

http://dollars-bbs.org/main/res/1417676164.html

http://dollars-bbs.org/main/res/1332470464.html

Read the second line :(

http://dollars-bbs.org/main/res/1342330419.html

My conspiracy theory faze. But I was trying to understand what's wrong with the world. So I had to be open minded and look into different thing. My emotions got the best of me.

http://dollars-bbs.org/main/res/1366224931.html

No one believes in me. I am a failure.

http://dollars-bbs.org/art/res/1425220210.html

My attempts to join the family. Integrating with the beauty of this site. Loving it more.

http://dollars-bbs.org/art/res/1425846922.html

My attempts at making a return. At apologizing.
http://dollars-bbs.org/literature/#1292656529

http://dollars-bbs.org/literature/#1428193016

A site full of strangers isn't stopping me from making the world a better place.

My own self destructive ways are. I am a mess. I carry it with me every where I got. With each person I meet.
I want to stick with this one group. If you'll allow me to.

>> Why did you come back when you said you never would?

####ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDer THAN WORDS####

All of what I said was just a rant. I couldn't handle my emotions and I lost control. I think you always need to remember this. That I tend to lose control.


I do care. I bare with your discontent...your hatred of me...just so that I can be understood...just so that I can be helped. My favorite super hero is hancock.

I believe I can be like him. I believe I can overcome my adversity. I also believe I'm talented. That I have a lot to offer you.

I believe I can integrate into society
I believe I can be human just like the rest of you..

But then that's up to you.

Am I worth being understood?

Have I ever made you happy?

It's your family.

It's your site.

I am the only stranger here.

The power....yours...not mine.

I hope this is enough to at least clarify things.

IF not...just ask more questions. I will answer as best I can.


The verification code. MUTABLE

I am Intuitive.

I dream a lot. I'm an Idealist.
I look within to find the answers.
I use different thread names to better navigate and emulate who I am.

HeartbeatKnight. The one who stands outside of humanity. Admiring it. Wishing to be part of it and to protect it.

Read the poem 422.

FellbeatKnight. The Heartbeatknight who failed at making the world a better place. Instead he turns to malice and hatred towards others.

Hoarse- The tired one but wise one. Having been HeartbeatKnight and Fellbeatknight....he is old barely able to speak.
Crippled by old age and remorse.

Noskills- The one who feels weak and useless all the time.

Heather- All my knowledge and insight on photography. She's my camera.

As a photographer. Someone who works with imaging. I have to work with light and shadow. I have to always think about light and shadow.

In life you and with people..and with the self...you also have to work with light and shadow.

SweetHeart- The one who has come a long way. The one who can forgive himself. The one who knows that everything he has done...no matter how bad....it all comes from love.

He knows that no human is born evil. That every human...every life form...everything is worth loving. Is worth forging.

And

William.

My true name. Meaning Conqueror of Adversity.