I am going to ask the question that I'm sure everyone's tired of hearing. Nonetheless, I feel that it needs to be asked in order to establish some semblance of direction within this community. So with that in mind, I ask you all:

What unifying cause should we, the Dollars, spearhead?

Yes, I know many of you will argue that the Dollars don't do jack shit, and that the community is rampant with fans who wouldn't contribute to a cause to save their lives; that we are too spread out and therefore powerless; insert arguments akin to the above here.

But I disagree with such statements. The pen is mightier than the sword, and money talks. Those two factors are what grant us the ability to move forward and do something. While many of us (myself included) are limited in funds, we can use what we have efficiently and effectively, if we decide on something to pool our resources toward. Additionally, the simple act of getting a message out there through writing/speaking/whathaveyou can also make a massive difference.

I'm going to bring to the table what I always bring to the table. I have a list of issues that I gravitate toward; this is nothing new. The same applies to many of us here. So let's talk about it. Let's get a stream of ideas going, find something we can all agree on, and then determine a method of action. Sound fair? (See Post #2)

I personally think we should advocate Agriculture/Aquaculture, Urban Improvement, and Water Resources Restoration. Here are some articles/documents/missions related to those topics:

SuperDonate lets you donate your CPU resources to charity. Join the Dollars Team if you'd like (we seriously only have 30 people doing it now). The charity my computer works toward is Charity:Water, an organization that aims to provide clean water to regions that need it. BOINC is a more hardcore computing program. You can easily Google it if interested.
This issue of Scientific American talks about one of the US's most important aquifers. I actually brought this up in a mission about a year back, but not much came of it then. I would like to see more work done to preserve our water resources, either by writing to the government, donating to organizations centered around it, or ideally, purifying water ourselves. Anyway, the article is on page 32 of the magazine. Note: the magazine takes a few minutes to load.
Incandescents are getting phased out, and LED bulbs are getting cheaper. Getting a grassroots movement started to get more people into LED as opposed to Fluorescent would help stimulate that sector's demand. It also brings electricity costs down for everyone.
While Operation Great Wall never really took off, I like the idea of writing to city/county officials and trying to get some sort of grassroots movement started as far as public landscaping is concerned.
Operation Rapid Response was started in October 2011. It stressed the importance of knowing First Aid techniques, as well has having First Aid resources readily available. I have been speaking to Reilyx and he wants to make another Dollars Video; we're thinking of this one having to do with medical awareness.
This is a project proposal I came up with myself and submitted to Nevada's State Transportation Department. It's a 3D model of road design that they could possibly use in the future. The idea here is to scout out areas of nearby cities that need improvement, render them in 3D, make changes and improvements, then submit our ideas to city planners for review. I have a SketchUp 3D tutorial for anyone who wants to take this route. It would be a pretty massive undertaking.
Said tutorial. The image links should still be working.

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Come on guys, throw some ideas out there, or at least leave some feedback on what's already been listed. Let's ease ourselves out of the circlejerks and feelgood threads and try to actually deliberate upon something for once.

I'm not sure how much help I would be but operation rapid response sounds like a pretty cool idea.

I don't have much time rigt now and didn't read what was under the links you posted, but I nevertheless wanted to say something to the First Aid-issue -

Where I live everyone has to take a short training when they learn to drive. Of course this is only a very short course, but better than nothing; I don't know how this is dealt with in other countries.

But I see the problem concerning this not in the knowledge itself, it's often rather the lack of courage - I bet many people do know how to put someone in a stable side position at least more or less, but they are afraid to do so.
I am a paramedic and I've seen unconcious people with five or more persons standing around them and doing nothing, and when I asked why they didn't do anything they said they didn't want to do anything wrong :/

Yeah, I agree with that. Especially if there is someone collapses in a place with lots of people, everyone tend to think "it's not their problem", or "someone else will eventually do something" instead of helping out!
That needs to be changed.

>>6 My freshman year of high school we had the option of getting a CPR certification, which serves as a legal protection in case someone tries to file a lawsuit against you after you've performed CPR on someone. One of the things that the course stressed is how easy it is for an untrained individual to incorrectly perform CPR, and that's why most people don't do it. Also, the certification had to be renewed every year, since the nature of the course changes as new medical techniques become more widely practiced.

In any emergency situation, the obvious route it going to be having 911 on standby (110/119/etc. depending on country); that way, a dispatcher can correctly guide you through what to do.

I have been hailed to post, yarrrrrrr! And my name has been, once more, capitalized by mistake :(

1) This is cake. Members with personal computers (preferably not shared ones, other users may not want this program) should definitely be participating in SuperDonate. It's productive, requires nothing more than a small percentage of your computer's processing power, and is hands-free once you start.

2) I supported this the first time and offered what input I could at the time, however I don't see how our group can effectively participate outside of spreading the word.

3) Goddamnit MKOLLER you posted something involving LED. You automatically have my approval. I'll chew on this for a while and see if I can come back to the table with an idea for involving the BBS.

4) I never saw this as particularly important, but that's just my opinion. I'll be focusing my efforts elsewhere.

5) I like the idea of trying to get more members active in First Aid. I definitely feel that this is attainable if we can compile a list of links that explain the process in each state, just to simplify it for any members that are willing/able to go through a course.

As for the video, ideas are still being put on the table and thrown around. If anyone has any suggestions, I would be more than happy to add them to the pool.

6) I don't really have anything to add/criticize here. Any member that wants to put their 3D modeling skills, or learn to 3D model with a purpose, would be much appreciated here.

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Overall, I feel that any 'focus' we try to make should be made with the understanding that low-cost and low-effort tasks are what generally get finished around here. Because of this, I'm going to focus any suggestions I make on humanitarian concepts. That's where my success has been, so I'll add some suggestions in a few posts once some others get the opportunity to comment.

Count me in for anything possible. Once I get my own computer I will get SuperDonate. Also, my family just replaced all our old light bulbs with LEDs. Its a great idea. There are some out there that work amazingly.

>>9 Rei, your name is capitalized on my Gmail contact list. I'm going to keep doing it. Stay mad, bro.

1) As stated in Missions, we are the third most productive team on their servers. I want us to be #1. If we can top Team AMDUsers, who knows? Maybe they'll contact us. I envision a possible partnership with them, which would be beneficial for us since they have other projects they are working on (such as their own BOINC teams).

2) Fair enough. A massive distillation and restoration effort would take more capital than we can generate. If there's no objections we can drop this idea for now.

3) I'm still trying to figure out exactly where we should go with this. The city of Reno actually went as far as to replace all of their streetlamps with LED versions; that was pretty kickass of them to do. Getting other towns to do so would be a great next step.

4) Ugh, fiiiiinnnneeeeee....

5) I'll leave that up to the other users. You and I talked in private so you know where I stand and that I'll support the video in any way possible.

6) Well, I need more feedback from other uses if we want to do it, then.

I heard someone say something about 3d modeling?
I've used 3ds Max, as well as a bit of Maya for the past 3 years on animation projects and game development.

While I'm curious about the project, I still need to transfer liscenses from an old computer to a newer one to even use the software.

What would be entailed in said project, exactly?

>>12 The idea is to recreate real-life areas (buildings, roads/bridges, parks, etc.) with alterations. Different project proposals at the city, county, and state/provincial levels. It's more along the lines of urban development. If you're into that sort of thing.

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I'll try and see if I can rush transfering these liscenses, and then see how rusty I am after a month or two.
How detailed would the areas be? Depending on whether it's lego-like compared to a full city with a sunlight system and working city, it could take from hours to months for a given area.

It's up to you. It doesn't have to be overly detailed; take a look at my project proposal link and you'll see that it too is kind of bare-bones (second page of the document). It's a road project, so it identifies the number of lanes, general slopes, intersections, that sort of thing. Like I said, doesn't need to be perfect.

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Nothing no matter how small is will ever be wasted. Even if it is simply helping out in a minor community activity, it can go a long way and will ultimately help someone to smile.
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I feel that we should get everyday heroes, like cops or firemen, to join us, so that we'd have more good deeds done in our name.

>>19 There are a few things I like about that idea, and a few things I don't like. I don't like the idea of nominal members because then it would be like us piggybacking off the success of other groups without making our own contributions.

What we need to do, if we want to take this approach, is first prove that we have potential as a collective; and then from there, convince those other groups/agencies that there is something we can learn from them and emulate.

The thing is, there's more to firefighting than the traditional fighting of fires. There's prevention efforts, conservation efforts, safe practices education, regulation, and so forth. And there's more to law enforcement than catching criminals. There's the promotion of safe environments and civil order. It's stopping problems before necessary force needs to be used.

We need to keep those things in mind if we're to consider alignment with other groups.

i'm not sure if I make any sense but change in community is an inside out thing for the individuals in that particular community. I think that besides aspiring for big things for our community, we should have a sense of self development and a direction for self-sufficiency (a rather personal thing, haha but then if we have stable resources then any efforts of helping others will be closer to reality). I'm part of the working class so the small things I can do to help the people around me, I do since I have the job and any monetary issue can be resolved.. But then self-sufficiency is not only monetary but it's also the strength to not be the one needing help but being the beacon for others who need it more. I think... if that even makes sense, i'm caffeine induced right now haha! well, this is great! BUUUUMP!

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Hm...that this thread happened to be resurrected two months after its creation is interesting, to say the least...revisiting this issue now all of times...

In that case, I want to throw one final point on the table. The Dollars, if nothing else, has ideas. Small ideas, big ideas, rational ones, radical ones. And we know a lot, if Information Brokering was any indication. How well some of us can write leaves a bit to be desired, but...this could work.

The Dollars needs to organize a dead drop on a particular issue. One large, anonymous delivery. A single message, conveyed in a thousand viewpoints. Overwhelming social commentary and propaganda of our own design. The question is, could we pull off something like that?

>>23 Here a few points to make before answering your question.

How much power does each individual member have?
How many members do we have?
Can we all even fucking agree on one thing?

This is why I ask these questions. Quite a few of our members are under the age of 18. I don't know about the adults in your lives, but the ones I know would shrug of anything anyone younger than them says. Apparently, children don't know their shit.

If the person is surrounded by people who think they're smarter than them, no one will listen to what they have to say. I say this because, an adult and his daughter around my age have argued with me for thirty minutes over whether or not ice expanded when frozen. That same family has also argued with me for months over whether or not deoxigenated blood is blue. Apparently, I could have sources from the smartest person in the world and they can still be a complete idiot just because I'm the person stating their fact. I'm just glad I don't have to deal with them anymore and I'm surrounded by people that will actually listen to what I say, most of them at least.

If only 3 or 4 people send out our message, it won't be received. What we need is everyone here to be sending out our message. The sad part is, I rally do think we don't have over 100 actual members at any given moment of time that will spread this with us. A majority of them are in the same country, so there's nothing global happening.

You'd think from reading our missions that we all can agree on something, wouldn't you? Quite a few seem to be pro LGBT, but there might be others (excluding GHF) that disagree. How about some kind of donation cause? That's fine and dandy, but I doubt that we can agree on one thing. Cancer? Third world countries? STDs? On top of that, some of us may not have the money.

As you've pointed out, we know a lot. That gives us a chance to disagree on a lot. Since a majority of what we know is based on personal experience, and opinions are based on personal experience, then each of us will have a different opinion of "What's more important?".

If someone actually believes that we can do all this, then I'm for it. What we need is a large group of people globally delivering the same message. It's preferred that some of these members have some kind of influence. I don't mean anything big and important like president, but perhaps something a lot smaller. Student council president? Leader of a sorority or fraternity? The popular kid? Someone who occasionally sense essays to a local paper or something to get published? Youtuber with a decent amount of subscribers? A bunch of single nobodies fighting separately won't get much done.

You have some perfectly valid points. It's going to take a consensus to make anything work, really. But I want to tackle your other two questions if I can:

- The power of each member is indeterminate.
- The number of members explicitly is small (probably less than 100 like you said), but implicitly is indeterminate.

Treating the 270,000 different IPs as "members" is erroneous, yet at the same time advantageous. It lends itself to an individual manifesting multiple identities, and I think that's something we can use.

On that note, does anyone really know how big Anonymous is? Did anyone really know how many people volunteered for Kony 2012? When the Kony awareness campaign was going on, the downtown of the city I was in at the time was littered with flyers. That could have been done by fifty people, or it could have been done with just one. Who's to say?

If a city hall is flooded with one thousand individual, anonymous letters, all presented differently but with the same objective, will said agency reason that one thousand people complained? Just one? Somewhere in between? I don't have the answer.

But you have to admit, such a possibility is fascinating.

>>25 I'll admit to that. In instances like you've mentioned, you have a point. That brings up the question, will these people do it?

>>25 Our numbers may be small, or larger than we thought, but that doesn't matter. In the past many large and powerful armies have been defeated by just a couple people, just a fraction of their armies. Yet they were still defeated, why? Because if you can rally everyone to focus on one point, I'm not saying make them all think its going to be like this and nothing else, I'm saying leave the statement open ended. Don't put it in stone and leave most of it up to the people to decide, If we all get one common goal that we can agree upon it doesn't matter if we have 100 or 1,000 members. As long as we can all agree, in my opinion the Dollars strength isn't in numbers, but in information and intelligence.

>>26 My continual hope is that they will. It is the solitary reason for my continuing to come here.

Okay, how will we decide that "One Unifying Cause"?

Well, I can think of two ways. One would be a participating majority ruling. The other is, at the expense of sounding like a jerk, having someone take the initiative and start to direct the community of their own accord.

>>30 In reality the take over would work better, sadly we can't do that as I'm sure it goes against dollars. Lets try majority for now, have community vote on the cause and see how it turns out.

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Well, we could start a environmental movement, just like how the Dollars removed graffiti that was all over the city, we can help clean up the world, our initial impact doesn't matter, if we can have our movement spread fast and far, than any goal could be achievable.

*coughcopoutcough* Anyway,

>>31 Such a role is reserved for someone like Reltair, but he's not invested enough to play his part, if you ask me. Tech and environment come up a lot here so sending a message with those as that subject matter will resonate well through the community. That's works out well enough.

The million dollar question here is, "What information would be useful enough to circulate while also getting the best reception among the general populace?"

>>34 I like your question, and it is not an easily answered one. I think a big thing in our generations world is corruption, we could try and lift the veil on the corruption in economics, government, etc. Though I don't think it would get good reception

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>>34 Considering that this site was made on a "no hierarchy" standpoint, I'm glad he's not "invested enough to play his part" and you put it. I do believe that the person who does this wouldn't have to be the admin or a mod, but it could also just be someone influential enough, basically someone that everyone likes, to lead effectively.

If someone like me were to step in and try to lead us, it wouldn't work out very well. Considering that half the people like me and half of them don't, I feel that only half of The Dollars would do it and the other half would oppose it just to oppose me (because people tend to do that to me).

Someone like Navi could probably pull this off well.

It's interesting that you'd bring up Ayanavi as a person who you believe would have the intrinsic hegemony required to pull off such an audacious task. Judging from prior experiences, I'd believe that she would be highly reluctant to become a figurehead for such an ambitious campaign.

From another perspective, perhaps it would be judicious to consider why we, as a community have convened on this site in the first place. I, myself, must admit I have not been as active in posting as I have been in the past, due to various commitments in areas of my life. But I can say that when I first joined this site, it was out of a sense of curiosity, a wonderment as to whether such a community as featured in the anime Durarara would or could exist in the real world. Needless to say, the site has evolved, quite possibly beyond what most people would have imagined it to have been, to something that was greater than was posited by a simple community portrayed on a show. Yet, in some ways, the community itself seems to be a lesser entity, for we have no common goals or ideals. In some ways, you could argue that the site itself seems to itself as a sort of "organised chaos", with nothing but being part of the site keeping us all here.

I don't mean to belittle the reasons or events that may have led to everyone gathering here in the first place, far from it. I just feel that there was a certain something, an unquantifiable quality which kept me returning here. At first, it was because of the other people I had encountered here and still talk to on a regular basis. But as time progressed, it felt like a morbid curiosity had possessed me and taken over my interest in the site. I'm still kind of excited as to how this site will develop from here. But the thing that keeps me here was never going to be because our group has ideals, or beliefs. Far from it, I think that dollars exists not as an organisation, or a group, but as a mere collection of individuals. Some inidividuals synergise better than others of course, but we were never going to be united under a single cause. There's just too many different viewpoints and opinions for us all to ever agree on a single thing.

At the end of the day, I admire the effort that you've put into this, but it holds no interest for me personally. I prefer to remain as an observer, watching this fascinating fishbowl of disordered events. But as ever, my post has become hopelessly retrograde and I do not wish to diverge from the topic at hand already.

I'm loving this idea, I just signed up for SuperDonate and would be interested in something else, but ideas like the LED one don't seem like large group movements.

Note->I think the idea of city proposals is great! I've also thought that if enough dollars in an area got together we could use the Adopt-A-Highway system, I don't know if states other than CA have it but a group agrees to clean trash on a road and gets its name on that areas adopt-a-highway sign. It'd be an awesome way to get the word out.

>>34 one easy way I can think of is go to the news board, look for the top 5 threads. Then have the community vote based on current threads from the information board, biggest one I can think of from the top of my head is equal rights. Not saying everyone has to go with it we just need majority.

Sorry meant information on the news board, iPod sucks for typing.

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Yeah, that's an option. My only concern is being able to provide a concept for others to apply in addition to simply spreading word about an issue. Personally, I'm not a fan of pushing an equal rights cause; I feel that there are some flaws to doing so but that's just me.

>>41 Well, a majority of the tops on news board is LGBT. I kind of feel doing something to controversial will cause problems. While some people support us, there will be others that hate us for it.

>>38 I never once said that she would want to do such a task. Did I say that she would want to? No, I simply said that she was an example of someone that, if she chose to, would be able to lead The Dollars.

>>44 Members of the LGBT community are all going to be a bit different in opinion. Personally, I try to live in stealth and not bring up that I'm LGBT to many people; others are much more open about it than I. I feel that doing something like a group movement may cause people to step out of their comfort zones in a bad way, and that's counterproductive.

>>45 Never thought about that, I'll keep that in mind from now on. Because of my job I had to get out of my comfort zone a long time ago, sorry for my ignorance. But we can still try to find something on the news board that is big with the community and set up official votes.

I agree about the LGBT issue. It may not be about "equal" rights, but the "necessary" rights for this to work.
Now, besides that, I think CISPA, and other problems of the same kind, should be also taken into account here. I know Anonymous is already on it, but I don't believe a bit of help would hurt.

Hey all, it's been a while since I was on here last.
anyway, back on topic here.
I signed up for the Superdonate thingo and I'm working for The Nature Conservancy. I sent an email to my local council about LED bulbs in our streetlights as well.
Later, I might send an email about the nature wall type thing (Operation Great Walll).
I'm not sure what other ideas I can contribute besides something akin to an NPO dog shelter as an alternative to the pound.

Sorry for double posting, but for those of us who want to contact their government about streetlight alternatives, the common streetlights are high pressure sodium lamps, and currently, the best alternatives are lunar resonant streetlamps.
http://www.treehugger.com/interior-design/lunar-resonant-streetlights.html

>>49 Thank you for bringing that up. On that same note, the City of Reno just finished a project where they replaced streetlamps throughout the city with LED bulbs. Not sure if Lunar Resonant technology was integrated though. Las Vegas may also be doing a light swap; not quite sure since I don't live down that way.

Okay so here are some of the things I think we should support. MKOLLER, I think this first one falls in line with agriculture and urban improvement.

First, I think Guerrilla Gardening would be a worthy cause, especially since May 1st is International Sunflower Guerrilla Gardening Day. Guerilla Gardening is “gardening on land that the gardeners do not have legal right to use, often an abandoned site or area not cared for by anyone (Wikipedia).” Most gardeners go about their planting in the middle of the nights, but it can be done by day as well. The point is to make abandoned land attractive. May 1st is when gardeners go around and use abandoned land to plant sunflowers (or any native plants). The idea is to make the world more beautiful.

Second I think the best thing we have going for us is our numbers. There are a lot of us all over the world and we can use that to our advantage by supporting online organizations.
For example, I like the SuperDonate site and signed up for the Dollars team.

Freerice.com asks you the meanings of words and donates 10 grains of rice for every answer you get right. They’re backed by the World Food Programme to end hunger worldwide.

Change.org is a site full of petitions for just about everything. They have petitions about ending human trafficking, stopping the keystone pipeline, fracking, ending animal abuse, and stopping child labor to anything anyone wants to start a petition on. Some I think we should take a look at are:
Stop CISPA (Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act.
End horse slaughter for meat.
Stop Victoria’s Secret from targeting teens and twens with sexualized products for adults.

Greenpeace.org is another site with some petitions especially with a focus on environmentalism. They have petitions for:
Saving the arctic
More on saving the Arctic
Stopping the Keystone Pipeline

>>51 Thank you for the Guerrilla Gardening link. I feel that's definitely something that can be attempted, and is actually very similar to Operation Great Wall.

I really liked the idea of Seed Bombs, but I'm not sure what the best type of plant would be to distribute in this manner. Grasses come to mind more than floral plants since floral plants require a much more stable setup. I live in a desert area so I'd need to find a grass that's desert-friendly, or focus more on soil-bombs and then plant after they've been distributed.

I like to put the main Idea, we all share on paper and leave it places. To try and get more people to join for the good of what we are meant for. I tend to not get good feed back when I try it person to person. So I let people pick by them selves with out being put on the spot. I do my part to by cleaning up and stopping violence. Although there's not a lot of Dollars where I live.

Maybe not completely relevant, but along the same lines here, I suppose. In Missions, they're tossing around (loosely, if I'm putting it nicely) the idea of a Dollar's Mission fund for us to donate to and disseminate money to Dollars missions and things like these kinds of causes here... They're to the question of who would be in charge of it, (to which they have so far 'someone trustworth' or 'maybe the admin') and honestly, if something like this were to happen, MKOLLOER, you're the first one to come to mind, for me anyway.

Is something like this feasible? And, would you perhaps be interested, or know of someone who could help?

>>54 In early 2012, the idea was also proposed. It is, in essence, crowdfunding, not unlike Kickstarter. However, doing it privately means using the honor system, and that can be tricky. I personally could not handle such responsibility; it'd keep me up at night!

I do like the idea, though, and think we should, at the very least, have a Dollars Kickstarter Account managed by the most trustworthy individuals of the site and used to post projects for funding (though we'd realistically only be able to do projects with a spending cap of $1000 or less).

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>>55 The idea I had behind it was a bank account managed by trustworthy people which would give money (loans) out to missions to help them along. It would be donation-ran, so the bigger missions would have to advertise for it.

>>57 Make sure you check the laws in your area, by me you need to get permission in order to set up advertisements for donations.

Well we need to make establishments we can identify with. We need to know who is in our district and how many dollars are around us before we can effectively start affecting society as a whole. We also need to spread. Get more people/friends involved. But ultimately when people ask why we need to be able to tell them what we are and what we stand for. i like to think that we are a way to connect and an underground way of affecting society. Pretty much like the dollars in durarara

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Why not use the map thingy? Using that we can know the locations of other members… why not have representatives from each country/district??

I'm willing to be the public representative for my area. Also, we should try and have reps who are unlikely to be targeted if another group or someone tries to come after us (I don't think its likely, but you never know). I'm not afraid of any possible backlash against the Dollars

I'm playing around with the idea in my head of not reps, per se, but actual cells. I mean, even individual chapters of large organizations have their own officer divisions, right?

Going off topic for a second: The big thing for me personally would be spreading Kickstarter awareness in my community since many people are more than 40 years old and have no goddamned idea what Kickstarter even is. I feel if we can at least get some awareness we can set up individual backing divisions which serve Kickstarter in general.

And if nothing else, we can go back to the donation fund idea and do exactly the same thing.

MKOLLER, what's your e-mail? I've got a few ideas I want to run by just one person before I put them on the thread

mkollersms@gmail.com

I usually check my mail several times a day, though if I need to compose an especially long one it may take a bit of response time. Still, feel free to send me your ideas as well as any comments and concerns you have about...well, anything in particular, really.

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I think the dollars should be more "out there" if that makes any since. Plus it would be nice to get emails or txts from the website of things you've commented on.

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Hey so Im kind of new to this whole Dollars thing but I get what you guys mean.I think you need to start off a small rather than go all out and get yourselves in cold water. Another thing I want to point out again is the amount of active users who regularly go onto this site and read the threads. And finally, we have members from across the globe, Im from a small city so I find it difficult to participate in most of these.
But thats purely my opinion so hate me, whatever.

>>69 No, you bring up valid points. The strongest link we really have right now is the BBS itself, so we have to try and come up with ideas that are universally viable and can be documented through the BBS. That's why we're looking for projects that can be done in all kinds of cities and towns, not just specific types thereof.

I live in a desert town with less than 10,000 non-incarcerated citizens. There is, quite literally, nothing here and trying to get fullscale movements is damn near impossible. So for someone like you or me, what we have to do is come up with things that small groups (of ten to twenty people, perhaps) can oversee and enact. Meanwhile, we have to consider the needs and resources of much larger cities, where movements with hundreds of people can be organized.

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I just read the entire thing, and I'm glad the Dollars are willing to start up a project. However, I agree with new user 762 that we have to start off small and see how that goes... I like the idea of urban gardening, it's simple, cheap, and perhaps even fun to do with a group of friends! I'm not a fan of donating money though... It's not the same as actually doing something.
Besides, I have a practical question. How are we supposed to make a statement? For instance, if I did something, say community service, should we just hang up a poster with on it the Dollars' name? How are we going to present ourselves?

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This is a message for all my fellow dollars to pass on to your neighbors and so on. Our race, humans, needs to advance. We have evolved into the beings we are today. So why not get more modified hmm? Heres a few steps and its not bullshit. Simply be openminded. Follow the same path as Sidartha. He tried many religions and found all sorts of new beliefs and many more. But what if every religion is actually a piece to a puzzle, and that together with science, religion would henceforth become what its supposed to do. Help us. I dont care if I sound like a mad man, or a insane person. If you think I am crazy, correct, wrong or whatever. Your intitled to your own opinion. But every one is curious as to the answers in life and of life. So am I. So my friends, neighbors, and other members and so on, what is your opinion? Hopfully we can have a good conversation about this topic ^_^. Good luck to you all, and I will reply when I can.

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I Think In Order For Us Humans To Evolve We Have To Figure Out A Way To Overcome Our Differences, No Matter How "Impossible" It May Be.

Gin, you, are like the first to agree with this, because most people just say ah what the fuck is wrong with you Kehim (pronounced Key-hiem) but yeah, id hug you right now if I could lol.

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Really? Because I don't think we should "get over" our differences. I think we should embrace them. That's what makes us who we are! Sure, making everyone equal works for getting things done, but to make discoveries we need individuality! We need our own way to think about things! I think that our evolution is actually hampered by trying to "look past" differences. If someone's got a mental illness, they're a retard, but not in a bad way, in a unique way! We need to stop thinking about things as good or bad in general, but more as an exchange. For each thing bad about someone, I guarantee there's something good that you just aren't seeing.

>>78 Everyone already "embraces" what makes them different already. That's why there are so many fucking wars through out history.

"Sure, making everyone equal works for getting things done, but to make discoveries we need individuality!"
It almost sounds like you major league contradicted yourself.
If we made everyone equal, if we combined all of our knowledge, if we worked together we can discover things that we never would have apart. We can finish tasks quicker and more efficiently.
Here's a minor example: When you're assigned with people you dislike for a group project to be finished in four weeks and is worth 30% of your grade, now isn't the time mention what you think about each one of them personally. You ignore it and have everyone divide the work. If everyone succeeds in working together and looking past their personal differences, you wind up with a good grade on an amount of work that took less time to finish than if you had done the project alone.

Here's a worldly example. Why do you think scientists across the globe use the same metric system? Everyone could be using their own system like America, but I go on the other side of the world and nobody knows what a yard or quart is. And in return, I have no idea what a meter or a centilitre or millilitre is.
That's not progressive.

" If someone's got a mental illness, they're a retard, but not in a bad way, in a unique way! "
Actually... This method of thinking isn't progressive either. You think the handicap like being fucking "unique"? You think they like being treated as such?? That's the very opposite of what they want.

Think of how much we would develop as a world order if we all looked past our differences: looked past our religious beliefs, looked past our skin color, looking past each others' history.. Think how advanced neuroscience would be, education, every day technology.
If we look over our differences and just narrow it down to working and capabilities, I think peace would be right around the corner.

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You fail to realize that perspective is often more important than knowledge, when it comes to discovery. Of course, both are needed, but being different and refusing to share information are two completely different things. The retarded don't like being called that because people have made it a bad thing.

Embracing our differences and embracing what makes us specifically different are completely different things.

As for your last point, that's idiotic. It's throwing away who we are; making us part of a machine. Sure, maybe neuroscience would be advanced, but we might be missing whole branches of it because we'd all just be a big supercomputer, working off of one perspective, not allowing for any other approach.

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No one is ever equal, and never will be.

we need to find a way to change the world soemhow make it better tan it is today i mean with all the fighting going on fo what reason! its not helping its making things worse~

>>83 Wonderful sentiment, any substance?

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Here's a way we could organize if we wanted to. I've talked a bit about it with MKOLLER
http://mrl.li/182iymq

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>>86 I like the idea of using that. Please elaborate

>>88 but the dollars are not class in a hierarchy

I just want to re-establish that I do support Specter Praetor's idea (>>86). Organizing in this manner allows us to form individual cells at the county level, which are then united and overseen by districts and even state/provincial councils (if the organization were ever to get so large as to need one). National council is optional but should not be taken off the table.

Do you want a blow job?

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I think we really should do something. It sounds cool.

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I'm a fan and also willing to help.
And I too disagree! Being so widespread gives us the advantage of being a network rather than an isolated group.

And yes! Urban improvement is a good idea.

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I'm all for the LED promotion. Gonna start spreading the word. ^_^

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So, how about organizing?
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Darn it, making me have to use FF instead of Opera...
So the way I see it is that there is 1 nation, consisting of 2 states, which are comprised of 3 districts, each containing 3 countries. Each country votes on their rep, each district votes on their rep and everyone state votes for the national rep.
Right?

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Action speaks louder than words! Let's do this.

So, anyone who wants to start organizing please post it on the thread. Im gonna make an online group

Cyber Security / Ethical Hacking? -- It seems like a prominent issue on the internet these days. With SOPA and ACTA and their 9001 variants.

>>111 Sounds a lot like Anonymous

I support Anonymous. They are amazing and I hope them success in bringing down all the corrupt leaders. As for the cause I would like to see anything that works towards preserving nature and getting rid of pesticides.

Down with the Government. Let us go back to our roots and let instinct be our guides. Save nature and the animals that make it what it is. WILD.

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Organizing anyone?

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After skimming through the majority of replies, I can see you are all pretty into this, I'm willing to support...but... do not forget the flip side of this community, some of us wish to stay unknown,becoming well known might destroy this organisation, I'm willing to assist from Sydney Australia, but I do, as well, do not want to be too well-known.

After spending a good amount of time looking over all of what has been said here, it seems as though many people (Me included), want some sort of organisation. Just to get this out of the way, I'm Making a simple poll for this. I will probably post this on main as a thread to get more responses

HERE: http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=51a6d105e4b0604d061e7f15

This way we can figure out who actually wants to do this or not.

On the topic of organising. To do so we would need to figure out who is where etc. and with that create the nations, Yes? because if these groups are completely arbitrary, I think that they would fall into a hole like much of the rest of the internet. The lack of attachment to a group/Place/Thing makes a person less likely to actually do something helpful pertaining to said group (I am also part of this). To give people a reason to actually do something for a group i think that (at a minimum), binding that group to an actual place is a must.

If there is a majority vote leadership, i think an update of the site might be very helpful Because as it stands, it is very annoying to actually find out if there are people within your own area.

that is all i have for now

I enough people think we can do this then im all for it!!

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Hey, AccPO, did you see the link I posted that outlined a rough way of organizing (>>86)?
PS- I like the poll idea

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I think it would be a good idea to get eachothers Skype or Facetime accounts so we could talk about our actions. I don't have much say about the people doing nothing, becasue im one of them. But I think doing the smallest things are what we are. Like putting out motivational stickers in public restrooms, giving gift cards to the homeless, buying that single mom's whiny 5 year old that cheap action figure, giving money to elder strangers, the small things are what matter.

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I don't really believe this hierarchy idea is a good thing.
At first beacouse the main idea of the page is against that, I don't know how many of you people have read the FAQ but it clearly says that we don't have a leader nor are we divided by some status in this community.
Second I don' know what knowledge do people that suggest this have about old cultures but when cultures start developing social divisions happen. Then everything goes great but that division brings failiure in the end.
Abd this is only my belief but most of the people that suggest this have selfish intentions like having a higher status or becoming friends with someone who would have that status so they could have more attention when posting. So I conclude that hierarchy is a very stupid idea.

As someone new to these forums, I have to say I was brought to this site like many of the others,with the curiosity of something like the 'Dollars' existing in a real world society. I have read through everything said and like the various ideas being passed around but one question is, What is our One Unifying Purpose?
As hard as it is to get a community such as ourselves to agree on one singular purpose, without it are we nothing more than Organised Chaos?

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One thing we need to take into consideration is that fact that we are few and scattered across the world. We can't really expect to do things like the real dollars did, at least not yet. The easiest way for people to notice us would probably be to do something online first. When we gain more members and our connections to each other strengthen, then we can talk about large scale, real world changes.
I think getting our name out there is the most important thing to do.


...well thats just my thoughts.

Remember, the real dollars is based a bit in the future, isn't it? So maybe, this site is the beginning of something great. Something moving. Something covered in so many colors it becomes transparent. Our problem is our solution, we are spread out. So if we can encourage other people to join in our individual areas or communities eventually we will branch out. Respectively, I'm going through with this plan and try and balance my communality. Hopefully, my message moves some people to look at the more positive aspects of our weaknesses.

Generally, to have a strong gang or whatever, ya gotta have a base of operations.
Such as how the dollars in Japan are mostly in Ikebukuro.
Such as how some mafia, yakuza, triad are in one city.
Generally being one site, around the world aint cutting it.
You know why? Time difference, no members around area, true loyality.
Sure sure, there might be organizations that sites are their base, but frankly they have true loyal members, who wont go MIA or whatever.

We need members that will stick to it to the end. Such as how Mafias, yazukas, police, enforcers, night watch, etc. have their own loyal members to the end.
Its your in it or not, for life or whatever.

First get members
Then things will sort out
Any members

umm... when i open superdonate.org it said that the site is no longer operational. can anyone suggest any site similar to this site? i really want to help. even just a bit.

Once we get more members we should try to find out where everyone is. Countries, states/provences, cities/towns, etc. Then we can actually do local things collectively.

It's just going to make us like a bunch of lewd community, I mean will you talk to some of your friends about Dollars that you know they're a member of Dollars to? I think we should keep our privacy.

Hello my fellow Dollars! I'm Blank.

I'm behind this idea, and I've requested to join the kik so far. I made a chatango, and anyone can join in at any time to talk about anything in real time. Check my intro in the introduction boards if you want to find me.

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Cleaning up Main...

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Don't take it the wrong way but if ur the one behind this u should at least put ur name

>>139 If who's the one behind what?

>>140 Behind all of it, you evil sick bastard. Where is your pride???

Lol, this was marked 2013, so..did something happened with this?
(Lazy to read the 141 comments in this thread)

well, I bet there wasn't any action taken.

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Well in the show the dollars once gathered up and erased some graffiti maybe we could do that. Every city could have their own thread and try to spot ugly/unatractive graffiti and erase them. Like,has anyone seen the ones we have at greece ?https://www.google.gr/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=https%3A%2F%2Faristotleguide.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F11%2F27%2Fgreek-graffiti%2F&ei=glKdVe-fE4T9UomugaAL&bvm=bv.96952980,d.d24&psig=AFQjCNHPxzACtWO_0xaSy0Rk0pl-FYFpag&ust=1436460023401106

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I'm new, but from what I've seen so far, everyone keeps bringing up ideas for missions before saying "but we don't have enough members."

Why not make it a mission to get more active members? It sounds like the obvious solution, but has it been tried before here?

You all either keep adding ideas or keep saying we need more members before doing anything.

We don't need a shit ton of members to support or advocate for something, so feel free to stop using that lame ass excuse.