There are so many different people in this world and some people don't even realize it. Every single person has their own thoughts and opinions along with their own purpose in life right? Well I had a debate with my sister the other day about how some people have no purpose. Her argument is that some people are born to do something big and "purposefull," in life and some people don't matter and aren't meant to do anything on this earth. That litterally, this is her exact words, "they're just wasting air." My argument was that people choose have their own purpose, that they control their own destinys if that makes sense. I wanted to know what you fellow dollars think about the topic. Do you believe that some people are a waste of space or that every person has meaning and importance in this world?

I am a nihilist, which basically means that I don't believe that anyone has a purpose. Taking this a step further, I also agree with Camus' radical freedom, which states that because people have no purpose, they can create any purpose they want for themselves. Put simply, there is no higher power which grants people purpose, but rather everyone has the potential to create a purpose for themselves. Which doesn't really matter because in the end everyone dies and everything will cease to exist in a recognizable form, rendering all action meaningless (that last part was nihilism, not radical freedom).

>>2 So then you don't believe in a heavan or hell or anything to do with an "after life."

I agree with you- that people have their own destinies. I believe everyone has a purpose, big and small. However, some people seem to not take life as seriously, even though they may come off as more fortunate as others. I mean, there are people with disabilities that have come so far in life, and others who have perfectly good arms, legs and brains and don't seem to put them to good use. Still- I do believe even these people have done something useful in their lives, may it to be an example for someone else or a wake up call to an aquaittance of their's who is going down the same path. Maybe temporary companionship or a good time or two- they would have helped or comforted /someone/, right? Even after death. So, I guess that's what I think. ^_^"

I agree with you and Euphemia.

Maybe one person gets a nobel prize and the other is only a janitor. It sounds weird, but really, they feel like they aren't that much different in importance. It's a really strange thought, and you might think I'm mental, but every little piece is needed to compose this whole.

And adding to that note, you really can't judge a person's worth by how famous they are or what they do. Maybe that janitor was a total saint who dropped out of school early so he could help support his family, and that noble prize winner was a total a**hat who treated all of his colleagues like dirt.

I dont usually believe that everyone has a big purpose, but i do believe everyone is a domino peice of sorts leading to another thus triggering chain-reaction leading closer to the end. but of course i do understand slim chance of there being no purpose at all. and the pondering of this message as a waste of time.

>>6 s basically your saing that no individual person is more important than the other that we composed multiple purposes that make us a whole?

I think at the moment most people have little purpose. Like how a politician promises to make things better for everyone, but then never follows through with it.. so what makes him better than that janitor who does everything he can in his job? Even if its less of a job in some eyes i respect that janitor more for doing what he would say he would and not giving false hope to people.
Dont get me wrong though i dont think anyone is completely useless and 'waste air', i just think one person alone isn't significant. What if a mission got posted on here that could change the world in a big way? Well that could happen maybe, but no way could one person do it.. its why the dollars are a group of people coming together, this site in itself shows my believe that people have to group together to become something 'significant'
The only way someone is a 'waste of air' is if that person goes out their way to hurt an innocent.. but that's a whole other topic.

basically we're all important in some way we all have people and friends that know us and we all have eachother thats why i joined the dollars

>>1 No offense, but I'd slap your sister if I could! XD

>>9 I must agree with Pollux.

Maybe.. people were born into whatever task or job they needed to do in their life time but refuse to do it whatever the case maybe. Or even, Maybe people make their own path and their own goals but also refuse to make a step forward for whatever reason.
It all boils down to this: Everyone, no matter who they are, has the potential to do great things with limited resources but they refuse to step up to the plate because of lack of motivation, or laziness, or depression or whatever the their story is.
I think that your friend has a mind set of "no excuses, ever." a real get-it-done additude, where as you have a more merciful and easy going, understanding additude.
But I'm just rambling now, sorry if what I say seems edgy or offensive or something. I'm just being me, ya know?n.n

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Well this is an interesting debate that you just had with your sister. The great philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre dealt with something like this. He said that everything essence (a purpose)before the object was created (ie. a hammer has the essence of hammering nails). Humans are the only exception in this case because know no one knows a person's essence before they exist, so a person existence precedes his or her essence. Many religious people argue that God or some great deities give every single person on the face of the earth a purpose. However, Jean-Paul argues that we are absolutely responsible for our purpose and choices. If a coward decides to do something cowardly, then he is creating himself to be a coward. In Jean-Paul Sartre's case he believes that we are fully responsible for creating ourselves to be who we are. He says people who believe that believe God or any deities give us a purpose is just a way for people not take full responsibility for who we become. It is easy to follow what someone tells us to do, but it is harder for us to create ourselves into something by ourselves. Personally I agree with Jean-Paul Sartre on this.

This reminds me of the movie Hugo were the main Hugo thinks that the world is like a giant machine and that like a the parts in a machine all have a porpose, we are the parts in the machine that is the world and there isn't any part that doesn't have a porpose because machines don't have parts with no porpose at all like people, it's just some people don't know what their porpose is yet but will find out aventually.

>>8 Yeah, that sums it up pretty well!

>>9 I like your thinking. I, too, don't think humans are that significant on our own, but as a group we have the potential to do amazing things... as well as equally horrible things, unfortunately.

I agree that some people have no purpose in the grand scheme of things. They just waste air and are liable to put more people in the already overpopulated world. As an individual, you have your own purpose. Looking at humans as a whole? There are some people who spend their whole life under the radar, pretty much doing nothing.

It depends on the person, though. Even if they didn't do anything amazing by themselves, some people just have that influential personality. Their story, idea, speech, or just that one awkward moment spread or cause something to happen, like a reaction within the giant scheme of things. Nobody notices it, but in the end, that little spark may be the only reason an important person is where they are today or a certain event happened. Those people may not seem important, but they are. They are the catalysts of humanity, and most of us are some form of human catalyst.

>>17 basically this.
within the big picture, 76% of people have no purpose; but within their own lives, they play a role that can somehow get them into the grand scheme of things. It all happens by chance. It's something you have to believe in, i mean, if it weren't for chance, where would the human race be right now?

I would be either the evilest man, or the greatest man, but nowhere in between.

The sad truth is that even though you are important to the success of another person, you yourself will never be remembered for what you did. You can either let the cards fall there and be fine, or seize the opportunity and steal it all.

I'd commit murder before I let someone else have power that could have been my own. To Hell the God that limits me in what I can achieve.

As far as I'm concerned, everyone is necessary. Hey, even supporting actors get awards. No one is entirely good or entirely evil and when you realize that, you must also realize that everyone is just playing out their own tragedy and their own happy-ever-afters.

In my opinion, everyone makes an impact on the world. We were given life by whatever gods/goddesses or god (depending on your belief) and they didn't give humans any meaning originally. Yet, we do all kinds of things that impact thise around us. Some of us become great leaders or discovers something unheard of. Though even the ones who struggle in life tend to make a difference, no matter how small. I'm guessing that the gods never wanted to give us meaning, but everyone makes themselves have meaning, ever since we were born.
In my final opinion I'm saying this:
Humans were never meant to have meaning, though we were given life by an entity of a religion. So, us humans decided to give ourselves meaning. Well, this caught our entity's attention. So he/she/it decided to let us live on and create a destiny of our own. If us humans wanted to do something, thats what we did, and if we wanted to become bums, then we did so. The entity gives life to us, but also takes our lives when it feels that it is nessessary. The entity tries to point us in the right direction at random times throughout our lives, but never writes anything in stone for us.
I say entity because I'm not wanting to bash religion or anything. This is only my opinion on the matter.

>>11 None taken I have already done that myself ;)

>>13 that is irrelevent to this discussion

>>14 I'd have to say I some-what agree with you on this.

>>21 but what about the people that never get to live out their own lives. Like the people who die young?

Also, Just for the sake of keeping this discussion going. Depending on whether you believe people create their own purpose or whether you believe people are destined to have a specific purpose. What about people like Hitler, Kony? people who are just all around HORRIBLE people, what about people like that?

Of course I agree. What she said is completely opinionated. Like you said, Her herself has her own opinions and thoughts, and purpose in life. You do aswell. I dont see how she cant see she is displaying that herself.

people have their own reasons. maybe not the ones we can accept, but reasons nonetheless. Hitler was a racist; maybe he was raised that way. Kony must have been molested when he was younger. who knows? you've got to remember that people act that way because of upbringing and own personality. (although i believe that children are blank slates with which we should write on with care.)

Read most of thread. I think I got the gist of it.

I don't believe people have a predetermined purpose. They have potential. Their worth is measured in the people they touch rather than the things they do. Some people chose to do horrible things. These people have little worth. Those who don't do much of anything have little worth. Those who strive to be their best and help others have a greater worth.

No one has set purpose. We have free will. We can do whatever the fuck we want.

>>25 Thats what I told my sister!! But she went all super religious on me and was all "God has already chosen our paths for and some people aren't meant to do anything." and then the argument got all heated and eneded with her calling me an idiot.

>>26, I'm Christian and I don't believe that. I hate it when people drag religious crap into intelligent arguments. I can win most of mine without pulling out religion. Tell her I think she's an idiot. And intolerant. And that's against her religion.

>>27 T.T finally someone understands me, I will tell her XD

>>25
I don't think people who do horrible stuff have little worth. they're still humans after all. what else is human right for if that's the case?

>>26
Tell her if there are people who aren't meant to do anything, she's one of those. Besides, God would never, ever force himself to us. He gave us the God damn "freewill" to do the things we want to do. It's in the Bible.

Meaning? If you consider everything, literally everything, then what goal is it towards? That is all of existantce: meaningless. There is no where it is going, God or not, no purpose. But the value of a person? Everyone has an effect, in the way of the butterfly effect (look it up if you dont know), every action anyone does creates some impact. Without the common person, what would the world be? How can there be greatness of you dont see what total worthless dispair is? It's all comparision, we need the average, the good, the bad. Everything you do or say affects something or someone, it may be small but every little thing adds together; it is the small things that matter, big made from small. We need everyone to make what is what it is.

>>22 I think they play an important role. They decrease the population, and their actions anger others. By angering others, they've created organizations against themselves. Thanks to these organizations (like Invisible Children, which are publically known to not be nonprofit), other people make money, and then more people get to know about them. Hitler killed many, many people, severely decreasing populations. Both these people are important in the grand scheme. Without them, the world wouldn't be where it is now.

I believe that overall, we, as humans don't have a predestined purpose. I think that it's up to us to decide what (if anything) we want to make out of our lives.
I believe that everyone is significant in one way or another. And I also believe that we all have the potential to make a road for ourselves and impact the world on a greater scale. It's just up to us to actually use our potential to the best of our abilities.

>>1> For those who believe in pre-destined life, I suggest you could lay off and think of it as a gift.
Even though an RPG games have pre-destined routes, scenes, and endings, you can still enjoy playing it, right?
You can still choose different paths to take, and get different results.

For me, I believe we can change our own destinies.
Our purpose is a gift, our choice is another thing.
As a student, my purpose is to learn.
As a friend, my purpose is to support.
As a man, my purpose is to impregna*cough* to ensure the continuity of our race.(a jokes for a high tension thread.)

And you yourself have that free will to change whether to just study normally, be just a friend, and be a normal man, those are the ones you call wasting air.
By extending the purpose you will then have an importance;
By studying you can be a teacher and teach someone that will become a president someday.
By being a friend you will not regret spending time just to talk about this whole topic with your mates.
And by being a man you can have your own family to live with.

Quoting a phrase from one of my favorite songs:
"People are born with
People are born without
Some people have
And others want
But some go without"
That is, purpose.

As a human, my purpose is only to live and die.
But I can choose to live to the fullest.

>>34 So basically you believe that our everyones purpose is predestined but that you can change it?

>>31 that makes sense but what about all the people that were and still are being sacrficed? Does tha meanthey're purposes are going unfullfilled or that their purpose was to juest die? or that they never had purpose to begin with?

>>35 Maybe you mistook my perspective of purpose and destiny because of my last sentence.

My definition of destiny is the ending.
Cause I suppose the word destiny is taken from destination.

So destiny is the ending you will have, if you choose a certain path in your life.
It is not the same with most people who think of destiny as fixed and cannot be changed.

well its not that people are a waste or have purpose in this world. A person has a right to choose their own paths for their life. some people make good decisions and so you think that they have purpose in life. and some person dont make good choices and you think they are waste. honestly, if you choose something that you are happy with, i would say that you are not a waste but "you're missing out". say you chose to just sit around the house because you're really lazy but happy with it, then you're not wasting life but simply missing out the good things out there around you. there's no such thing as wasting life unless you think it is.

i believe that every has the ability to choose their own road. we are all like dice. we roll ourselves in the direction that we choose. Everybody trys to use their life and time to do something, some more important than others also depending on the personality of the person.

I do agree on both sides..... there are definitely people with purposes such as Ghandi and then there are those who do nothing with their life and all they do is work and never accomplish the big picture in life. but in my opinion there is no right answer to this because life literally is what you make of it.

I believe that everyone makes a difference, but not everyone has a strong and meaningful purpose. The people who are a waiste of air are people that choose to do nothing with their life.I forgot who the conversation was with, but I had a conversation with someone that dubbed a certain kind of people 'sheeple'. Those are the people who I believe are a waiste of space. They are only their to be used and manipulated. They are unable to think fro themselves and make no difference in the world, for they only do as they're told or manipulated into doing. It is really the people that aren't sheeple that are not a waiste of air. All the sheeple are useful for are that the nonesheeple would not be able to do anything or get anywhere in life without sheeple.

I know I probably typed a wall. I have too much on my mind to organize my thoughts properly. Also,sorry I forgot whose term 'sheeple' was. I could not think of a better term at the moment.

>>37 Ohh now I understand
>>39 but they're certain events that happen in life the can change the direction
>>40 but what about the things out of reach (depending on the person)

Sheeple. I love that word. Hate the sheeple.

Okay. Well. I haven't thought THAT much about this particular topic. As for the moment, I think that everyone can control their destiny. I think that everyone's destiny IS set in stone, but as for how you get there, well, that's different. Because you can choose how to get there, there are also unlimited futures that you can have. They're all set in stone, but how you go about it is your own will, so you can choose which future you have. The people who are "unimportant" are always important, because in some way the influence or cross paths with the "important" people.

>>42 well i understand that but even those people can make something...even if their names are never known. thats why i said life is what you make of it

well 1st off your sister sounds like a mofo bitch. and 2nd off everyone has a purpose on this earth they dont take up space they have somthing to acomplish on this world weather it be a worker at fukkin MD's, a fire fighter,or a druggie they have a purpose but sometimes they have to look for it because not everything comes on a silver platter and just handed to them they have to work to get it but EVERYONE has a purpose.

I believe that people do choose their own destiny, but you can also CHOOSE with that same right to be a waste of space. That's their decision. They want to dottle around, and they do so.

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