"I think there should be Caucasian History Month and a Straight Awareness Day.

Am I a horrible person? No. I just want a piece of this pride that's been thrown around for so many years. Why is gay pride so important, and if you say you're proud to be straight, people get angry and think you're discriminatory toward other sexualities? Why are so many African Americans proud of their race, but a white person says they're proud to be Caucasian, they're considered a racist? I don't understand this logic. I understand that these people suffered and still suffer discrimination, but don't we all? Everyone suffers from some form of discrimination, and I don't feel that, just because there were/are mass events related to it, others should be given so much empathy and space to act as they wish.

Am I a horrible person? No. I just want equality and permission to be proud of who I am without continuous the threat of hatred. For now, though, hated or not, I say just this: 'I am white, straight, atheist and damn proud of it.'"

What is your standpoint on this subject? Do you think it's wrong to think this way, or do you have mutual feelings?

Reverse Discrimination: the group who is usually discriminated against turns against those who discriminate.
(Ex: 'Whites' disliking 'blacks' was usual, so it's considered reverse discrimination when 'blacks' dislike 'whites'. Reverse discrimination is also seen with homosexuals against heterosexuals or athiests against religious people.)

I pretty much completely agree with you. Now, many years after most discriminatory events took place, people still get riled up over this. Sure, there are still groups going through those events now, but there will always be a new 'taboo' that comes up and gets railed on.

I'd like to bring up a few interesting points here:

Caucasian people were once the driving force of the world. We created many ingenious machines, discovered hundreds of laws of the world, and are the race of many philosophers that are still well-received today.

What did Africans do? Well, as far as I'm concerned; the majority of Africa was underdeveloped and primitive in comparison. Sure, there were a few places here and there that knew what was up, but not enough to be notable. For the most part, they didn't do much. I'm not saying that they didn't do anything, but rather not as much in the grand scheme.

So, Caucasians did a bunch of cool stuff and were one of the driving forces to create the world as we know it today. African people didn't do nearly as much, and ended up being sold into slavery because they were too low-tech to fight back.

And yet, it's the African race that we recognize.

~

From another perspective, no race should be celebrated. Ever. It only creates a superiority complex, and leads to a bunch of stupid shit. Want to celebrate something your ancestors did? Sweet, do it on your own time.

Don't drag the rest of the world into some bigoted, entitled fantasy.

I worded >>3 really bad, sorry.
>>2 I agree with the last part. But since it's not going to go away (at least, not for a while), do you still think it's wrong to have some of our own for now?

>>3 Really, I don't care so much about being recognized. What bothers me, personally, is that we -at any point- allowed for something so recklessly stupid to begin.

As for their bubble bursting... I don't think it'll happen until some shit somewhere hits the fan. Say, another Hitler appears, and goes on another anti-race rampage. He's one of those with a 'celebrated' heritage. His race agrees with him, and sides with his blasphemy.

Then they realize that, sadly, despite all attempts at me trying not to sound racist, their race is most likely in poverty as a whole. The other non-celebrated races that spent more time on, oh, I don't know, intelligence? Will end up mopping some pretty thick blood pools off of the floor.

But until something ridiculous like that happens, the best we can do is snicker from the background while they waste so much time on 'pride.' In the wake of ignorance, progress must be made in order to survive. Those people are the ignorant, it's up to everyone else to create progress.

>>5 I like the way you put that, and I understand what you're saying.

I gotta be honest, though... I don't want another Hitler unless he decreases the population in a slightly more humane way than the first.

I'm in agreement with the thread. Nobody is special because of their race, religion, orientation or other. They are all simply human, all simply unique and thus normal.

That's an incorrect definition for reverse discrimination/racism, I think.

As I understand it, reverse racism is when a group glorifies their own far beyond others: not singling out one race to belittle, but singling out a race to glorify. It's a situation where a minority, or anyone for that matter, insists their race deserves better treatment than another for any reason. Like when the black community demands reparations from people who are otherwise innocent, ancestry aside.

I even see particular opportunities aimed specifically at minorities as a form of reverse racism, such as scholarships and affirmative action. Racism isn't always a detrimental thing, but it's always a thing of inequality.

That said, I don't think we need a caucasian history month, or a straight awareness day. I also don't think we need a black history month, or a gay awareness day. I feel like drawing attention to that sort of thing is counterproductive to striving for equality. There is a small percentage that may be made aware of homophobia or racism, but there is an even larger percentage that already know and don't need it pounded into their heads every minute.

Giving someone special treatment gives the same amount of attention as treating someone unfairly. You're pooling attention to them and saying "LOOK AT THESE PEOPLE FOR A MONTH. THEY ARE DIFFERENT, BUT YOU SHOULDN'T TREAT THEM THAT WAY." It's hypocritical, and unneeded in this day and age.

>>8 This.

Also, I think the point of things that are made to celebrate minorities are legitimate. They're more to honor people who were/are discriminated against, but that..doesn't really happen to straight and/or white people.

Either way, it's stupid to have appreciation days for every single fucking characteristic that a given person could hold. We're not all that special, and we don't need people to say we are for a day or a month or whatever. Can't we just have everyone accept each other? :D I mean, the ones that weren't gonna be accepting anyway wouldn't do anything special on a random day..

Because, one what history do white people have, when all of man was started in africa? Two the history that they do have is mostly terrible, like comeing and killing out almost an entire race or inslaveing, setting free and beating another race?..........

Now can you tell me something good enough (because they havent done anything good) the "white" people have done that should be praised?

I think I have a mutual standpoint. I mean everyone has been racist at least once in their lives. I myself have been "racist" a few times in my life. I am white, bisexual,and atheist. I don't take crap from anyone.

>>11 Fucking die.

- The Magna Carta
- Common Law
- The Automobile
- Mass Production
- The Telegraph
- The Telephone
- The IBM Computer

>>11 Are you seriously implying that people of other races haven't had any history of bad decisions?

Have you heard anything about Asia in regards to immorality? What about racism and sectionalism in Africa, between native africans themselves? Religious fanatics in the middle east?

If you're going to call out a race's particular faults, be fair and don't disregard the other races, otherwise you're being horribly racist yourself. You sure don't do your research if you think white people are the only one with a tarnished record.

I should also point out that a lot of people shoot flack about Caucasians enslaving Africans.

You understand they were sold into slavery, yes? By their own people?

The Africans weren't happy rabbits frolicking the wildlands of Africa until the evil white man showed up and caught them with a carrot - They were pretty bad off compared to most other civilizations and willingly sold off their own kin for a profit in the growing world trade industry at the time.

Educate yourself before bitching about something.

Whoa, late to the party.

>>8 All of this
>>1 >> 14 >> 15 All of these
>>2 >>9 A considerable amount of these
and lol at >>11's ignorance and >>13's response to it.

Well, screw the appreciation days and months. I would be perfectly fine if every fifth black person I get to talk to won't try to convince me about being "mystically responsible" for whatever bullshit their ancestry has faced. I will let the stupid people emotionally confining themselves to the "sufferings of the black race", since I have a little bit of respect left for the little part of sanity that's left in my skull. Black race has earned my personal mockery for their victimization.

Mind you, this is coming from a white European whose ancestry (personal and common) has never been involved with African people in their own continent, or the ones being colonized.

My own country has faced quite extraordinary cultural genocide, which in the scale resulted in about %50 of it's inhabitants being sent to forced labor just for the starters.

But maybe I will have to admit this one... I am fucking jealous of black people... I wish I had some nation or race to demand guilt, unearned respect, unneeded attention from and disrupt their general life in any given moment for no good fucking reason...

I believe this quote applies here: "I'm not racist, I hate all races equally"
All kidding aside, my friends and I prided ourselves on being the most multiracial lunch table last semester. We had Asians, whites, blacks and Latinos, and guess what the world didn't end. No race should be celebrated more than any other, all of them have flaw, all of them have accomplishments. Get over all the crap that happened to your ancestors and live in the present. Obsessing over what happened in the past is not going to improve the present. Besides isn't declaring one month a year as "Black history" or "Native American history" month basically saying we can ignore them for the rest of the year and still feel good about ourselves?

>>10 Need I remind you that slavery started in Africa? The Europeans copied off of them and made it a hell of a lot more harsh, but they didn't start slavery. Slavery had been going on for a long time in Africa BY other Africans. Then they went on to sell people into slavery to the Europeans and, later, the Americans.

>>17 >>18 This.

>>19 I guess I should clarify this...
I'm referring to the slavery of Africans. Slavery itself has been going on since history's been recorded :V

>>19 Not sure who started slavery, Romans used slavery as the base of their economy, going up to ofc, gladiators. Scandinavians have had it for the longest time in their clan culture, enslaving people from other clans and working them to death, and it's been in the Middle East and India... well, even today many cases are found.

>>21 Before Europeans took up the slavery of Africans, Africans enslaved their own. God knows what happened before that, but that was my point. Like I said in >>20, slavery has been going on since probably before recorded time. I'm just talking about the small portion which refers to the thread :O

Although, if you come back to it... To answer to OP himself... I will say that being a proud atheist and proud straight male is possible because it's a matter of choice and sometimes a great personal achievement through trial and error. I am sure as hell don't know why would you even bother being proud of something that you can't take credit for - being white. Really, it's nothing you should actually take credit for. This applies to all races. Most valuable discoveries and achievements in your life will be achieved IN SPITE of your own race and it's given credit not THANKS TO IT.

So, most of you guys think it's bad to take pride in yourself in general, particularly with race. May I ask why? Your race is just another part of you. The same way you may take pride in your personality, why not take it in your race?

>>24

You are talking pride itself then. It's not "wrong" or "bad", just that from a different viewpoint, many things people pride themselves with are fucking stupid. I can tell you what things i find stupid. Then you can decide if I am correct or my viewpoint is shallow.

From my viewpoint, people can be proud of many things that involved their own effort (both physical and mental), their influence in the given matter, their successes and failures in the given matters and choices etc. In short - i believe you can only be proud of something you have influence in. Ready for this?

You have no influence whatsoever in choosing your own skin color you are born with.

Please tell yourself you are proud to be born "X" (an X being a color of your skin). Your parents could actually be proud of their decision to roll your genes so that your skin looks the way it does now. But not really you.

Now, I am not proud to be white. I am proud of myself for not using my race to advance my social position in society (you could be proud for doing the opposite). I am proud of myself for reserving my compassion and guilt for what I believe is worth it and not of what is being demanded of me because of my race and ancient hatred circus.

>>25 That makes it a little more understandable. It's obvious that everyone has their own idea of "pride" regarding both what it is and what one should have it with. For me, a person should have complete pride in what they are, whether it's something they can control or not. I'm not saying to take pride in your race, I'm saying to take pride of the fact that you are that race.

To me, saying, "I'm proud I'm white," doesn't imply that I think whites are greater. It just means that I'm proud to be who I am. Problem is, it's so easily mistaken (getting back to the point of this thread) as racism.

Wow. *applauds* That should be be a speech. Lol, show it to someone like the president or someone. XD

Anywho, yes, thats just taking pride in who you are. Its kind of like when someone says "Why am I so freaking stupid?" others comfort them and tell them they aren't while someone says "Yay, I'm smart," and people glare at them and think that their snobs. Not to say that in this thread, being the side thats discriminated against is bad or in any way deserves discrimination.

Plus, reverse discrimination is just another form of "Two wrongs dont make a right.
And i shall follow your lead, my friend. "I am asian, straight, Catholic, and I'm proud." :D

>>16 This,
>>17 this,
>>18 and this.

I feel like people do have the right to be upset about what their ancestors went through, but they shouldn't try to influence modern decisions about things that happened hundreds of years ago. There isn't a single person alive today who owned a slave during or before the Civil War, and generally if someone is demanding respect over something that happened a ridiculously long time ago, then they're just being irrelevant. A nice example of this would be the fact that since I'm Catholic, a lot of people have told me that I personally caused the Inquisition and the Crusades. I just can't. sldkfjlsdjf

Meh, how about this?
We all just pull our heads out of our asses and view each human being as a fucking human, regardless of what they look like on the inside.
We are all built the same way on the inside.

I do feel as though slavery is an important topic, but that doesn't mean we should hold it over everyone else's heads.
It happened a while ago.

Yes, we need to get the fuck over it, but never forget our past, so we don't repeat it in the future.

But I treat every person I know the exact same way, regardless of skin color.
Because that is the last thing I see.


And Barabi, You have Caucasian Awarness month.

Its every other month that isn't already reserved for another ethnicity.
lol
No srsly tho.

It is.

Here is an idea.
Instead of asking for months, how about we divide up the weeks of the year and give them to each different nationality we have in the US...
Oh..wait..
there isnt enough..
so..maybe we could have days?

lol

IMO, there shouldnt be specific months for each race, you should just be taught the fucking history of all peoples in school, in your history class, where you should learn it.
Not from little blurbs on TV that only run for 4 weeks out of the whole damn year.

Besides, the races themselves don't even really pay attention to the months.
For the entire month of FEB. I had a picture of Langston Hughes set for my FB profile pic.

Not one word was uttered as to why I did so.

Meh.

I just hate discrimination period.
I dont care if you are Gay,Asian,White,Black,Tall,Skinny,Fat,Short,Straight,African,Arabian,Islam,Catholic,or some type of talking sponge, who manages to defy physics and start fires underwater.

You are the same to me.
A walking organism, of the Homo Sapiens class of Mammals, that I have to share the earth with,

And if we cant bring ourselves to respect each others views, then I will gladly welcome the end of the world with open arms.

On a side note Barabi...my chin is cold..
I miss my goatee T-T

>>29

"Gay,Asian,White,Black,Tall,Skinny,Fat,Short,Straight,African,Arabian,Islam,Catholic,or some type of talking sponge, who manages to defy physics and start fires underwater.

You are the same to me.
A walking organism, of the Homo Sapiens class of Mammals, that I have to share the earth with,"

I was not aware that Sponges of any kind are Homo-sapiens.

Though, it does make me chuckle.

>>30 Lol I just threw that in there to have fun. hahaha

I tend to believe that NO race, religion, nationality, creed, gender, whatever is more special than the next. Because no matter what, for every great accomplishment one makes, there is immediately a great fuck-up that very same group makes.

We're all the same, human beings.

The only people I discriminate against are those who make a complete dipshit out of themselves and are completely aware of how idiotic they are and do nothing at all to change it.

I'm proud of who I am. For example, I'm proud to be American. Not because of some belief that America is better than any other country, but because it's my home. I don't think one group/race/country's pride is better or more valuable than another's.

I also consider myself to be Christian, somewhat. However, I don't shun other's beliefs or condemn them in any way, because it's my belief that everyone is entitled to believe what they want. I don't believe any religion is better than any other, I just believe what I want to believe, and let others believe what they want.

In my opinion, people should take pride in who they are, without putting others pride down, because everybody fucks up eventually.

Just my two cents. ._.

Just by looking at WHO is posting, I have to say that this discussion must be interesting. Okay, so now for my opinion on the subject. I'll put in another post later commenting on all of the posts. Simply because of who's commenting, and how often, I'll read the whole thread after this post.

The goverment made a Black History Month due to discrimination. Because of this, people would think that it would be used to reduce discrimination. This is false, as you know. It is supposed to make the blacks feel less discriminated against and say, "Hey, you can't say you're better than these black people. Look at what they did!" The way they go about it though looks more like, "Hey! Look how great black people are!" So now the black people are getting more attention because they were treated bad. Yea, some people are still racist against black people, but what about the other races? I have seen more discrimination towards pretty much every single race than blacks.

As for gays. This I can see more. People hate gays. Gay people can't marry. Christians say gays will go to hell. Etc. Etc. I have seen more discrimination against gays than anyone. Gay Pride is a way for them to say, "I'm gay and I don't give a shit what you have to say about it." I mean, you don't see them running around telling the straight people that they're wrong. You don't see them discriminating on straight people as much as straight people do to them. They have to live through that, and sometimes the easiest way to is be proud of who you are. That means every detail, even being gay. Does this make it right? No.

The difference between blacks and gays is that gays are still fighting for their rights. Blacks got theirs already. The people that discriminate them will always hate him no long how many good things you say about black people. Gay people can't marry who they want. They are kicked out of the house for who they are. They lose all of their friends. They are treated differently because of who they are. Christians say gays will go to hell for being who they are. You don't see Christians telling blacks that. Gays are still fighting and therefor have to do everything they can to change things. Blacks got equality.

Where do I stand in all this? I don't care. I hate the human race as a whole because of it's baffling ability to divide itself against each other and fight each other because of who they are. You don't see animals doing that. All of the other animals live in piece. You don't see the blue poison dart frogs hating the red or yellow ones. You don't see black cats hating the white ones. As far as animals go, its an agreement that was never stated aloud. They live in piece. The human race has an insatiable desire for violence. Whether it's turning neighbors, friends, family, or even random people that have never met against each other.

How do I think it should be? Live and let live. If everyone just stopped hating other people, fewer people would be diagnosed with stress and anxiety. Most of the people I've met that have been diagnosed with stress and anxiety only have it because either too many people are hating them, or they can't get the fucking stick out of their ass long enough to meet them before hating them. You think about it. How much more relaxed would the world be without discrimination? Wars would probably stop. People wold live longer because stress is no longer hurting their health. We could do all of the things we've wanted to do. We would no longer fear going to a country we want to visit simply because they hate us.

Does that make me a pessimist? No. That makes me a realist. I never said their was no hope, I simply said they're too blind to care. People don't want to change even if it is for the better. Half the time I wonder why they're complaining about not being able to relax when it's their fault they are so uptight. I simply just want a world where everyone can chill and hang out, you know? We don't even have to all be FRIENDS. We only have to DEAL with each other WITHOUT trying to KILL the other person. Is that so hard? To just relax?

>>33 Just throwing this out there, Blacks may have "gotten rights" but in many parts of this country we are still treated like we haven't
Perfect Example?
The kid who just got shot down in Florida.

Since to reply to each comment I have to say something to would mean to reply to each comment, I'll just make this one to all of you.

Racism is irrelevant. It has been around since the Roman Empire and maybe even before that. Racism is a whole new topic all together, and if you want to argue about it, make a new thread. People who complain about the racism in the past towards blacks is ignorant to the history of racism in general and the history of Africa. They are even ignorant to Africa today. Another reason why racism is irrelevant is because the past is the past. We should not go around loving a particular race simply because we hated on them in the past. I don't care if it was last year or a thousand years ago. The only time that matters is when trying up to make up for a wrong to an individual, but once it's all been forgiven and fixed then just leave it at that and be done with it.

>>13 >>11 Let me tell you that your whole comments sound racist, ignorant, and stupid.
>>2 Part of what you said sounds incredibly racist. I understand what you mean, but most of that sounds like bragging about whites. Some of it may be facts, but you have to think about how you sound when saying it. Here's the part I'm talking about:

I'd like to bring up a few interesting points here:

Caucasian people were once the driving force of the world. We created many ingenious machines, discovered hundreds of laws of the world, and are the race of many philosophers that are still well-received today.

What did Africans do? Well, as far as I'm concerned; the majority of Africa was underdeveloped and primitive in comparison. Sure, there were a few places here and there that knew what was up, but not enough to be notable. For the most part, they didn't do much. I'm not saying that they didn't do anything, but rather not as much in the grand scheme.

So, Caucasians did a bunch of cool stuff and were one of the driving forces to create the world as we know it today. African people didn't do nearly as much, and ended up being sold into slavery because they were too low-tech to fight back.

And yet, it's the African race that we recognize.

Reilyx, I usually love your opinions and love reading them, but most of your comments here sound ignorant. Sorry to point you out like that.

I'd just like to bring up for anyone who wants to bring christianity into this. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins. I have nothing else to comment about that.

>>29 This is probably my favorite comment. Damn it Forte, you always manage to out do me. Are you in a debate team? You should be.

>>34 Hey, that could happen to anyone anywhere for anything. Do we need to give black people a month because things like that happen when gays only get a day and they're treated worse ALL OVER?

>>35 So it sounds racist because I used an example? Alright, whatever floats your boat. I'm going to redirect you to >>15 and >>13. Two completely different people supporting the same premise, and not being racist about it.

I knew full well it would sound blunt. However, calling it "racist" because I used an example is absurd. You can't possibly be suggesting that I am to provide a point, and that I'm not allowed to compare the two of the most obvious cases. At that point, you're being ignorant of history.

"Bragging" is also something of your own perception. Compared to another side of history, those were our accomplishments. The comparison failed to live up to the same standard, and that is simply a fact.

There is only one sentence out of that I would edit: "Caucasian people were once the driving force of the world" would instead be "Caucasian people were once one of few driving forces of the world." Simply because I failed to acknowledge other groups as a whole, and I should have. I should really proofread my posts here, but the typing box is so damn small...

I apologize if common knowledge makes me appear ignorant, and I hope you can see a bit clearer with this explanation.

>>36 To clarify for you, the definition of "racism" is: Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.

I did no such thing, merely stated fact. Albeit vague because I'm too lazy to provide specific examples. MKOLLER pretty much took care of that for me. Save for philosophers.

>>35 I would like to know how my comment was racist, ignorant or stupid. I was countering the argument >>11 made that "[whites] havent done anything good" by making references across time.

You'll notice that the contributions I stated were focused on Europe or North America (which was settled by the Europeans in the first place). The reason for this is because the majority of cultural, societal and technological advances were made in or around Europe, the heart of civilization. Look back to Rome, look back to Greece, and tell me that I am wrong. Look to the Middle Ages, to the Renaissance, and tell me that I am wrong.

Now, a similar empire was forged by the Mongols around this time, and for a time the East was more advanced than the West. I'll spare you the details because you should have learned most of this in some form of a world history class. To sum it up, the East and the West have competed with each other for centuries, and I of course acknowledge that. I would not say that either side is better than the other.

However, none of this has anything to do with racism. But what makes my blood boil is when illiterate fucks come in and shoot their mouths off about how a majority or minority is good or bad with no substance to their retarded claims. Sure, I could have found a more eloquent way to respond to >>11, but he or she simply is not worth it.

And for the record, you can think what you want of me too, Leigha. It doesn't bother me if you agree or disagree with my statements. But don't be like >>11; be sure that you actually have some base to your claims next time you call me racist, ignorant and stupid.

>>39 i completely agree with you its times like this where i wish we would have been better about letting in the lower iq leveld people into our beloved sanctuary i mean the whole reason i go to this site is too have intelligent conversations ... sure they're will always be stupid and ignorant people ... but i come here to escape them ... ill leave it here before i get attacked by people for being anti-stupid ... i guess?

>>40 No-one is going to attack you for being "anti-stupid;" however, I, personally. will attack you for being ridiculous, hypocritical, and idiotic. You speak of "lower iq leveld" people, as well as "stupid and ignorant people," and yet you're being ignorant and stupid, as well as using horrible grammar? Don't make me laugh.

>>41 woot we got a grammar nazi .... but i actually do agree that was a "wee" bit discriminatory but its a rant ... most people dont stop and think hey im ranting maybe i should make this less like a rant and more like a thesis in collage (bad examples but w/e) ... and i know ... i wuv woo too

>>39 Don't you know? Stating facts that don't support the minority immediately makes you racist.

At least, that's what I'm picking up from this.

Aside from my dry humor, I'm still in favor of NOBODY having a special 'frame of time.' There is no one race that deserves it. As in my belief system, it doesn't even fucking matter. None of it does. It's all nonsense that we bring upon ourselves as an irrationally thinking species.

>>36 Fuck you.
The kid was walking home with a fucking iced tea and a bag of damned skittles.
The man pleaded self defense, and is walking free right now.
Fuck you.

Stop hating on the people who are defending the whites. When you complain that white people have done nothing (which is completely untrue by the way) you have to expect someone to defend them. Also, by saying that white people have done nothing you are being racist. Every race has made contributions. At the same time, every race has had it's majorly stupid moments. When someone brings up the fact that whites, as a race, have contributed to the world as a whole they are not being racist, they are stating facts.

Now, I'm not trying to say that whites have contributed more to our current situation in life, but without the accomplished of many whites we would not be here today. That being said, the same is true about many people from other races.

>>36
As does fucking Racism, to be exact. Racist actions, also can happen at any time, to anyone. Just because Gays get it worse in your eyes, does not mean jack fucking shit.

It's 1 group, out of the billions of people who get shit.

The kid he is speaking of, is a very important topic of discussion.

>>36 This couldn't have happened to "anyone anywhere for anything" this happened because the idiot who shot him was suspicious about a black kid being in his neighborhood. He called the cops and they told him to wait. Instead he shot this defenseless kid because this stupid fucker is a racist asshole.

Now, while it's horrible, I doubt having a "Black History Month" will do anything to change attitudes like these. Some people just can't be fixed.

>>47

Um...there already is a Black History Month.

Unless you worded it wrong and meant something else.

>>48 Pardon me if I'm wrong, but I think he means that the current one isn't really helping as much as we want it to.

>>48 he was saying that even though we have one the chances of it changing people are slim to none

>>48
That was worded correctly to me, it just reads weird since she used "will do." In this case, she's talking about an action in progress as opposed to one being put up for discussion, and I could clearly see that.

Double ninja'd. Damn.

>>52 lol i got ninjad so it makes my ninja of you even worse *sneaky face*

>>53 That's why he said "Double ninja'd."

>>54 i know i just felt like reuderring ... off topic posts ftw

>>48, I mean the current month we have set aside for is probably not doing anything to help. Some ignorant people will continue to be racist against all logic.

I agree with you about being proud of being a white/straight/atheist person. But African Americans are given a Month to celebrate black History because of 400 hundred years of enslavement, rape, and the tearing apart of African American families.Plus the years of bigotry, lynches, and further more oppression. So I think its not to much to ask for African Americans to celebrate black History when really there isn't anything to celebrate at all except for the fact that we don't have to suffer today. As for gay people they are fighting for their civil rights as of today. Their the ones in the heat and deserve to have a little gay pride. Hmm but we all atomize ourselves today as humans. Why not be proud human beings? That's what I do and I'm 15. Its not that hard :)

I am shocked and (I could go as far as saying) horrified even. I agree yeah, But no race should even be celebrated. Though I do think its not that much for Africans to get their own day seeming as they were enslaved and saying that Caucasian people did all this cool shit and comparing them to Africans, like wtf man? Who are you to say that? And I also hate the fact that just because Hitler did something like 'that' doesn't mean that every German thinks that. I don't think there should be a day for 'white' people and 'straight' people, that is just either a really biost or a really stupid idea. No, you're not a horrible person. But I just think it'll be another day for celebrating yourselves for NO DAMN REASON.

Africans have a day to celebrate black pride because it is an apology from the actual people who enslaved them.(I actually want to say the proper term instead of 'gay' come on people it actually means Happy we all know it, if you're talking about this subject use the mature understanding)Homosexual people still don't get accepted enough today, I have 7 year olds here saying homosexuals are bad and the bible says they should all be burned to death. Not even joking, people at my school STAY AWAY from homosexual people. IT IS DISGUSTING.

Also I see people type here on the dollars that certain countries should all go to hell. Sure you can say your opinion, I see you might have a logical reason, but really when you explain it, you don't. EVER. Just because Hitler was German and hated Jews and black people doesn't mean that every German thinks that. Just because it is called 'Japanese Anime' does NOT mean that every Japanese person likes Anime. Get with the program people, you can't refer to a country as everyone whole.

~Kiyoshi-baka

>>58

Africans enslaved Africans. Caucasians just bought them. So it's a month dedicated to saying "sorry, we bought you"?

your intentions seem to be in the right place, but at some point you just derailed completely and started talking about countries as a whole.

that is totaly traue!

>>59 That was supposed to be a whole different topic completly, I didn't actually think that critiques would start judging my own comment as a whole thing. It was also aimed at >>2 Sorry for not clarifying that. Though as a defence no, I'm not aiming it at Caucasians (or the ones that bought them ._.) if that's what you think.

I totally agree with you. Its just like saying im a boy so i get a whole week where everyone celebrates boys and your a girl and if your proud of it, your sexist and you dont even get a week celebrating girls

>>61 No worries, I just thought it seemed kind of out of place and was curious how it fit in.

My confusion is remedied.

Bumping this.

Bumping this.

>>33 "I mean, you don't see them running around telling the straight people that they're wrong. You don't see them discriminating on straight people as much as straight people do to them."

False. It happens plenty :V

>>66
I'm pretty sure they meant telling them it's wrong to be straight. Not that they are wrong in how they act.

>>67 Again, plenty do.
My school has a lot of gays and bisexuals, and there are many of them who act like in many ways discriminatory toward straights, some even more than the straights discriminated towards them.

>>42 >>40 >>50 >>53 >>54 No. Stop being a hypocrite. You obviously don't have a pariticularly high IQ if you can't even write properly.
>>44 This.
>>36 Allow me to be frank: you're biased in too many ways. Gays haven't had it worse than blacks, and there's nothing OK about a black man being shot down for his race. It's not a matter of opinion.
>>57 What's so big about that? Just because they suffered because of their race? Every race has suffered at some point in time; every one has an ancestor who has suffered at some point in time. Why should blacks have a whole month dedicated to their experiences?
>>58 I don't think there's anything wrong with saying gay. Gays call themselves gays. It's sort of obnoxious to call them homosexuals; it's like you're purposely trying to put more letters between them and society. Also, see what I replied to >>57

For the record:
I'm only saying this because you guys seem to be misunderstanding me. The reason why there is the part about Straight Pride Day and Black History Month because I wanted you to see how ridiculous any sort of celebration is, as many of you have agreed, unless every race and sexuality has their own.

>>69 Caucasian History Month*

Huh.. you adults constantly cease to understand my logic. Be proud human Beings. That is all it takes and we wouldn't be so divided amongst ourselves. In fact we would be much stronger as a species if we acted as one. Its like we oppress ourselves from ever advancing forward in a much faster pace.

I get where you're coming from, but wouldn't it just be easier for people to not acknowledge the special months/days that discriminated groups get?

Here's my chain of thought: Discrimination is eliminated through acceptance. Acceptance comes from seeing something as equal. Seeing something as equal means not affording it special treatment.

I understand that people would want special days/months, but I think that just exacerbates the issue.

>>72 That is what Bambi keeps saying. Hence the:

"I wanted you to see how ridiculous any sort of celebration is."

>>71 Not sure if troll or overblown ego...
Also, >>71, there aren't any adults on this site. Almost everyone is under 25 :V

>>72 Read >>69

>>76

Adult is anything 18 and up.

worldwide

Everyone is completely equal, so I don't see how this could possibly be homophobic or racist. Good thread, bump.

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this is stupid as hell. why can't we just be equal god damn it!

>>82
...though aren't we?

>>83 I'd certainly like to think so, but then again I think it's fairly safe to say that a lot of people on here are pretty liberal minded.

My point being that we can agree we're all equal human beings, but other people either don't see it that way or don't care about inequality.

>>84
Right. >>82 sounded like they were complaining as if they were being treated like a lesser person, in regards to the rest of this conversation. I probably just read it weird. I dunno. :P

You just can't have good conversations with people these days.

I'm just going to be honest here, Judging by what I have seen in the Stalker thread, most of you guys are of Caucasian, or light colored skin descent.

I'm not trying to be racist, but perhaps we could get some more Ethnic input here?
I put mine in >>29 but noone seems to have read it, I mean, its coming straight from the horses mouth.

BTW, the kid that was shot, they are now saying he called his GF scared because the man was following him.
And that during the call, the girl heard him fall to the ground as if he was tripped/simply tripped or was forced.
You can also hear him yelling help in the back ground.

I give no fucks about race. NONE. That is a damned red herring (while relevant to this conversation)


That fat fucker shot someone in cold blood. He deserves jail time regardless.

Thought that while we're talking about race and contemplating the aforementioned incident, I should share this, particularly for those that don't know what we're talking about: http://globalgrind.com/news/michael-skolnik-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-race-sanford-florida-photos-pictures

I agree with so many posts on here...
Let me just point out a few.
>>2 I particularly love the last bit of this one.
>>8 This. J'adore.
>>17 Yes.
>>25 All of this. I especially love this post.
Etc.
Basically, quite a bit of what I wanted to say when I saw the OP has been said already, perhaps more than once. But I'll give this a shot anyway.

I don't believe we should all be the same. Don't mistake me, I'm not some ignorant bigot with a superiority complex. Quite the contrary. I fully believe everyone should have equal RIGHTS. But let's face it: humans are diverse, and, as has been previously stated, you won't find even two that are exactly alike. Races, cultures, subcultures...they each have defining qualities that make them unique. I love that about this world; it may cause consternation and disagreements, but I think things would be dull and pointless if every single race or group of people decided to undermine their cultural pride and unite under some banner of sameness. It wouldn't be human, point blank. So go ahead, celebrate your culture; it's part of who you are, but no one should feel obligated to join in if they don't want to. Something that's forced like that only tends to make things worse.

As for gay rights, I feel like saying that I happen to be a Christian. >>33 Dislike. Sure, people claiming to be Christians may go around and make a big fuss about how "God hates gays" and "All gays go to Hell"...but really, even if I don't agree with the lifestyles they've chosen or been led to, I'm not about to single them out. Personally, I have quite a few gay friends. I love them; they're fantastic, gifted people. I may not, under the code of my faith, even believe that what they're doing is right, but I do things wrong too. I'm no better than them, and because I was granted free will by God, I believe they should have rights equal to everyone else's. Yes, even marriage. Religion should never be imposed; it should be chosen, or it isn't real and you're wasting your time anyway.

That being said, I reiterate what's been stated previously on this thread: take pride in yourself, in who you are. But let it be the right kind of pride, not the pride that will lead you to a virtual war with everyone else. We've been complicating matters like these so much that it almost hurts to think about it; if people would live, let live, and move on, it would be ideal. But that's not very likely to happen; we're human, after all. But again, pride in yourself is one of many baby steps you as an individual can take to better things. If people can be confident in themselves, they can start recognizing confidence in others, and no matter how different those others may be from them, it can cause a sense of connection. I speak from personal experience, and now I've spoken too much. I hope this wasn't overly confusing or wordy; I'm running on a ridiculously low amount of sleep ._.

>>78 By law, technically. But in all honesty, most people aren't mature by 25, and it's difficult to consider them full blown adults.
>>86 Perhaps we should have more input from the darker community, but I don't think it matters if it's coming from the mouth of someone who isn't racist. Still, I'm curious to know why Black History Month is so important from more of their own perspective. I can't fathom it's importance. It's like when my friend makes a fuss on and on about how horrible the Holocaust was and how her ancestors died... Like slavery and mass segregation, it's mostly in the past. Jews are still hated by many today the same way blacks are. But why are you still clinging to it and acting like you deserve sympathy because of something your ancestors went through?

I can't process this idea.

>>90 And in addition to this, everyone's ancestors (as previously stated) have gone through something horrible at some point in time. Why is it so much more important just because it happened in mass by discriminatory influence?

>>38 >>39 I'm just saying what I'm perceiving in all of this. Your posts sounded like, "Look at all the great things whites did." I perceive it as you saying whites are better. If that wasn't your intention then I apologize. I would just like you to know how many times I got into a fight because someone perceived what said as being racist. You have to be careful how you word things on a touchy subject such as discrimination. It's hard especially because everyone can read what you say and think you mean something else.

>>44 >>46 >>47 Hey, I'm not going to defend a guy being racist or a jury for being stupid and allowing him to walk. People aren't going to change how they feel against any race. They're too close minded to. They are still allowed to get married and adopt children. They can go into a church without someone shooing the out and telling them they'll go to hell for being themselves unless they pray to God for forgiveness. That is what needs to happen. Yea, in an ideal world that shit wouldn't happen. I personally know people that I have to deal with that are racist. It is because a few people of a race stole something from them, and now they hate EVERYONE of that race. I won't talk to them unless I have to. My point is, a month to celebrate the black will not help them. The say for the gays COULD get the gays their rights. After that's done, the people who hate them will treat them no differently. You can't change what someone thinks. I disagree with discrimination, but I'm focused on the things I see that COULD happen. I doubt changing people's opinions will happen. The people like that are too close minded to give a fuck. Even if someone of that group they disliked saved their life, I doubt they'd give a shit.

>>66 >>67 >>68 As far as I'm concerned, they DON'T tell straight people they are going to go to hell. They don't kill people because they're straight. I'm just taking a guess at this, but maybe they're just pissed about the straight people hating them? I know some gay people that don't like straight people simply because they get tired of that shit. I know some gay people that dislike christians because they're tired of their shit. As far as I know, they'll probably chill more if people didn't hate them because they're gay. Yea, there will alway be those that don't but that's true in pretty much every case I've seen. My point was, it isn't as bad as the way the straight people treat the gays.

I'm tired of typing and busy. So I won't go into further detail. Also, >>39 yea I could have put a little more effort into my post and explained why. My posts get too long and I have too much to say. I get lazy with them and forget to add detail. I know Quality is better than Quantity. I had cut down most of what I wanted to say to provide better quality, but it's a desperate battle for me to make sure I put more into every statement I make. My biggest issue is that too much of what I put is opinionated and not factual. I AM working on that. The best I can do is explain why I think a certain way with opinions, and people rarely agree with my details. They usually only agree with the idea as a whole.

Okay, so this was the worst post I've ever made. Wait, nope I've made worse on here. This is still pretty bad though. Please forgive my scatter-brain for I have a lot on my mind. I will try to make my posts better in the future. You all just have to bare with the long and painful process of seeing me miss things.

The reason why we have Black history month and not White history month is because the United States still felt guilty about slavery and the racists. Seeing as an African child cannot say, "My ancestor was Slave," they devoted an entire month to focus on the extraordinary achievements that African Americans have done. Also considering the fact there are many racists who believe that every other single race out there besides White is "inferior," a Caucasian History Month would literally add fuel to the flames. "I just want a piece of this pride that's been thrown around for so many years." Your pride can be found in an History Textbook. There is no such thing as reverse discrimination in this society, seeing as Whites are the natural Majority in Europe and N. America. If anything their should be more "Minority Appreciating" days/months.

>>93
If anything there*

>>13 Oh we killed almost a whole race, we enslaved another, we take others ideas and just call it our own. Never mind all that we made the telephone so its cool right? Idiot do you even read what you type?

"Also considering the fact there are many racists who believe that every other single race out there besides White is "inferior," a Caucasian History Month would literally add fuel to the flames". Yeah, but what about the black people who are rascist? Hardly ever do I see a white person making race a big deal, but I can't tell you how many times I've been called "whitey" or "cracker", and then been called the racist person, just because I was white.

>>10 "Because, one what history do white people have, when all of man was started in africa? Two the history that they do have is mostly terrible, like comeing and killing out almost an entire race or inslaveing, setting free and beating another race?.........."

1. It's black history month, not Africa history month. The target is skin color, not place of origin.

2. Not all the history is terrible. But if you want to bring that up, then it was the African tribe leaders who saold their own people into slavery.

>>96
Do you know how many times I've been called a N*gger or Spook within the last 2 weeks? At least 50 times...and I live in the good part of California. Though I know blacks are racist, but those guys are literally idiots, because they don't seem to learn from the past."Hardly ever do I see a white person making race a big deal," hey lemme introduce to this new club called the KKK.
>>97
"Slavery in African cultures was generally more like indentured servitude. Slaves were not meant to be chattel of other men, nor enslaved for life. African slaves were paid wages and were able to accumulate property. They often bought their own freedom and could then achieve social promotion, just as freedman in ancient Rome."
African Slavery was a lot different from America's.

>>98 >>96
In different areas both of these are true. Where I live we don't really care either way, however, I almost went to school in an area that I could have been shot for being white. I've known others who have lived in areas where it's dangerous to be black.

So, both of you are partially right. It just depends on where you live.

I agree, not only is it where you live, but it's the people your with. For example, if there are many people who are hateful and judgmental then your bound to go through that suffering. It can't be helped, the only thing you can do in that kind of situation is to keep your head held high and stay strong.

Thats the only thing i would want to add to this.

>>98 Like I said. Hardly ever do "I see" it happen. And yeah, I live in the middle of Tennessee. Right in the heart of "the south". I have lived here my whole life (almost 19 years), and have yet to meet one single person who agrees with the KKK at all. And wether or not the terms are different doesn't change the fact that their tribal leaders sold them to others.

I completely agree with this, If you're gonna be "fair" to gays and minorities you have to honor and promote everyone and every lifestyle, race, and backround equally. Like where i live, if they are going to make announcements in spanish and english, Make it also in french, german, russian. and other major languages.

Ehh I think this should be bumped

>>95 What a moron you are. You completely missed my counterargument that our technologically advanced society would not have been possible without the Europeans and their descendants. Not to mention you take it for granted. Go back to school, learn some history.

And for the record, the European enslavement of Africans was not the only form of slavery ever known. Not only did African tribes enslave them members of other tribes, but slavery can be dated back as far as the Old Testament. Again, learn some goddamned history.

As for your claim of genocide, that had more to do with religion than race. I cannot argue that what happened was needless bloodshed, but to blame those of European descent is foolish because only a small portion of Whites are antisemitic themselves. It was the propaganda heralded by ONE MAN that caused six million Jews to die. I feel like his name need not be mentioned.

As for "taking others ideas," I am interested to know where you're going with this one. On one hand, there is blatant theft of intellectual property. On the other, there is reverse-engineering, which isn't necessarily a bad thing and levels the playing field between nationalities. It is the fabric of free-market capitalism and open competition; are you seriously going to argue that this is wrong?

I'm noticing more and more bias working its way into these arguements...

Bump over bullshit.

Bump over moar bullshit.

Also "Affermative Action". It was adopted to help ensure minorities that were discriminated against would have a fair chance at getting a job, or getting into a school, and as an apology for letting rascism go. But honestly, do you guys think it's outdated now? Most people going to school or getting jobs never had to go through segregation, or anything from that time period.

Thank you.

I've a question. When the world is grey(everyone being of the same color)who will we discriminate? It's the very reason I like it here, we are all transparent and have no color...

>>110 We have plenty of things other than color to discriminate against.

Likes, dislikes, general personality, style, size, defects, intelligence, e cetera.

>>111 ideas, gender, etc...I know...it sucks!...

Bump over saged

bump over things bumped by dumbasses

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bump

Anymore opinions?

Bumping shit off Main

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I agree with you entirely. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being proud of who you are. Though many people, of all races, religions, ethnicity, orientation, so on, confuse pride with elitism. Too often the line between the two are crossed.

.....uhmmmm every month is Caucasian history month its the bulk of what we learn in school so you''re in motion of a month dedicated to everyday life??? there's never really been a case of white struggle in america only struggle of minority such as asian, hispanic, irish, and black ect; i you want a straight pride parade have one, just realize it'll make the straight people in the parade look a lot more gay. what non queer likes parades??? so your motions are pointless. not being a douche or a troll, just being realistic sama

oh and i agree with the rest. everyone has the right to be proud of what they are

>>104 May I be so kind to ask, what trails of tribulation or oppression have white people have been through that obligates them to be recognized? Now im not saying that one race is better than the other because we are all the same, im saying the is a black history month because people should be remembered for the hardships they have had to face in order to give us the life we have now.

>>121, She's not really in favor of a Caucasian History Month or Straight Awareness day. She just wanted to put that out there because of how ridiculous it sounds. She mentions this earlier if you read the thread.

>>123 Every race in existence went through hardships in order to get to their current standing. Ignoring that is sheer idiocy.

For the most part, we fought ourselves. We were enslaved by ourselves. We progressed by ourselves.

I don't see a Jew history month.
I don't see a history month for people that got murdered during the Inquisition.
I don't see a history month for the people that lost their lives turning America into a full-blown country. Rather, they only get one day.

And yet, somehow, US wanting to recognize those things is irrational, racist, and generally stupid.

African Americans were enslave at one point... And that's pretty much it.

Nobody is fucking special, everyone needs to get their heads out of their fucking asses and realize that NOBODY needs to be fucking recognized. If you paid the fuck attention in your MANDATORY history classes, you'd know all of these things WITHOUT a fucking month dedicated to your bigoted, entitled asses.

My final conclusion for this thread: Everyone needs to quit fucking being little pansy bitches and move the fuck on. You're not fucking special, you entitled little fucks. Nobody is fucking special. Get the fuck over yourselves, you uneducated asshats.

This goes for EVERYBODY that wants a fucking month.

(If this appears aggressive, fucking good. I'm finally tired of seeing all of the racist dumbshittery that this thread brings to Main.)

>>125 its not just slavery call it a day its because of the oppression that was suffered durring and after slavery and still is, such as inventions that weren't credited, discoveries, unsung heroes, over comers, the great minds that were such as scientists and mathmatitions ect; that were under appreciated. its not just a month to say oh we did this we deserve this, its a time to be grateful for to make the racial barrier thinner hopefully gone in do time. so quit being so offended because its not that serious its only a month a short one at that

>>125 Thats a valid point, but why should people so stupid that they oppressed themselves have a month in honor of that? "Yay, we fought against are selves, arnt you proud of us!". I do agree that no one is special but, people should be commemorated for what good that have done in a hard time.

Also, no one cares if your mad or not so its no use capping words, dumbass.

>>126 That makes us entitled fucks too. And it'll only cause more racial tension.

"We're better!" "No! WE'RE BETTER!" and stupid shit like that.

>>127 Jews were not oppressed by Jews. The average European was not slaughtered by other European inquisitors, but rather Spanish inquisitors. You know, from the Spanish Inquisition. Americans were technically still British during the war, but then became full-blown Americans once we won.

Anything else?

I'm still 100% positive of my previous conclusion, and neither one of you so much as came close to touching on it.

>>126 No. Most people in this day and age don't care about race. So having a month specifically for one race 'creates' a barrier.

>>128 No one is saying anyone is better then anyone idiot. and I was not talking about the jew, i was talking about the europens. FYI the medieval inquisition attacked alot of their own lands because some did not agree and because alot of spanish Muslims were in their lands dipshit, if you dumbass would have paid any attention in history class you would know this.

>>130 So basically, you're acknowledging everything I said as being true, but ignoring it anyways.

Fine then, carry on with your idiocy, I'm done with you if you can't even properly defend your point.

Next.

I would like to bring a few things up.

Most of the people on this site are fairly young. Not many of us have ever experienced firsthand the kind of discrimination that once existed in this country. It used to be present in everyday life. It was blatant.

We don't only have Black History Month because black people were once enslaved, we have it because of the things this caused. The slavery of black people in this country caused a lot of things... Like a massive war, for one. It's so significant in our history. It's caused a lot of discrimination, as well as social issues. Mistreatment, violence... Look at the thing that happened in Florida recently.

Just because they officially got their rights does not mean discrimination doesn't exist. Our generation is said to be the least judgmental by far, but people older than us, our parents and grandparents, still remember these things. I see it when I watch old TV shows. For that matter, I see it in current shows too. I see it in the news. Racism is still there. And black people are still a minority.

Both gays and blacks ARE minorities, whether it seems that way to you or not. That is why they have months. The "awareness" isn't supposed to be "Look at how great we are". It's more like "Hey, we have rights and this is how we got them! Despite being a minority, we became successful! Etc."

And if there is someone who tries to hold slavery, the Holocaust, or some other historical event above people's heads, all it means is that individual needs to get their priorities in order.

It's not like they're being offensive or arrogant by celebrating and remembering. No one is trying to separate themselves from the rest of the population or discredit the idea of equality. They know that everyone is equal, but some just like to remember how and when and why we started acknowledging it.

The fact is, they're black, or they're gay, and they have history, and reason to celebrate it. It's justified. These things are still relevant today. They matter. We can't just deny the existence of race, or sexuality, or even gender, in favor of equality. We'd might as well deny everything else too.

On a similar note, I bet that many of you would be surprised to learn that it's Women's History Month. I'm proud, and I celebrated. Anyone offended?

>>132
1. What war did it ever bring to the United States? If you mean the Civil War, that wasn't about slavery. The topic of slavery was actually introuced later in the civil, and the results of the war never ended slavery either. All that it did was prevent new states entering the union from purchasing any new slaves, though they were allowed to keep the slaves they already owned.

2. Our parents, and most of our members grandparents were born at the end of or after segregation. We're not saying that discrimination doesn't exist, it always will no matter what. What we're saying is that our generation for the vast majority doesn't care about race, and that for us, Black History month is something that is more likely to cause discrimination because it makes race an issue, rather than the opposite.

3. We've also said the difference between blacks and gays is that gays are still fighting for rights that they don't have yet.

>>133 What I meant was that the Civil War had to do with slavery. They were related. No matter what the initial reason was, slavery was brought into it, and it slavery was affected by it.

Racial discrimination was a big thing when my parents grew up. I don't think they're that old either. My grandparents are mildly racist, not because they're bad people but because they were raised that way and just don't know any better. But I even see this in people my age. Or younger. My brother has a very racist friend, he claims to be a redneck and thinks it's cool. Then again, I'm technically in the south...
The fact is, it's there. Whether we think it isn't, it is. And the adult world is the one that decides these things, so if we decide to get rid of Black History Month we we're the ones in charge, so be it. Originally they expected that to happen, once we became completely integrated. The point is, it's there for a reason.

Blacks may have rights where gays do not, but both have the right to celebrate. Racism and discrimination still exist, and honestly I think that's enough reason. I'm going to go back to my example: Historically speaking, women have had their rights for quite a while. Does that mean that we're treated equally?

>>134 Slavery was actually mainly used for propoganda for the war.

Then I'm guessing you're older than most of us. Most of us on here are about 16-19 I believe. I'm also in the south, but I don't know anyone that's rascist at all. Most of the rednecks here are groups of black and white mixed. Most of the latinos aren't redneck, but they're not rascist either. Around my area, people are more concerned with illegal immigration. They don't hate Mexicans or other immigrants as long as you follow our laws and obtain citizenship legally. But there's no rascism there.

For the most part, yes. Actually, in my experience, most of the leadership positions available to my peers, and I believe many positions of leadership held by our elders are or were held by women. However we don't have "Woman History Month", or a "Gay History Month". And honestly, the Jews are historically the most repressed people in the world, but they don't have a month dedicated to them, either.

Okay.

I am 19. Maybe my parents had kids late? You know, that's probably it.

I live in an area that is just barely below the line, where no one is really a redneck but some people think it's cool to say they are. They are usually volunteer firefighters who hunt , listen to country, and wear a lot of camo. They're usually pretty racist. That's my experience, I know I can't claim to know much about the south so I'll let that be. One thing though.

WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH EXISTS. IT'S THIS MONTH.

Oh. My lord. Please, tell me again that women and men are treated equally.
Then, give me the extra 33 cents to match every dollar my male coworkers make.
After that, give me the ratio of female to male members of Congress.
Then go to youtube or facebook and count the sandwich jokes. Just count'em.

THEN you tell me men and women are equal.

>>136 You're 19? That would be one explanation I suppose. I had an ex who's parents had her in like their 40's. Makes sense.

lol, I like in the middle of Tennessee. You? (Nobody's rascist here)

Pay 'is' a differential, I'll give you that. But there are jokes about everything on youtube and facebook. I've heard more "Jew" jokes than anything, but nobody I've ever met dislikes Jews. You can make a joke without being prejudiced. Here's one for you: What's the difference between a government bond and a guy? The bond matures. See? But that doesn't mean mean are instantly going to be discriminated against.

And if it is Womens History Month, I haven't heard anything about it on the news, or in school, ever. Why? Because being a women apparently isn't 'as' big a deal as having a different skin color. Which means that black history month is making race an issue, when everyone else is trying to go in the opposite direction.

I'm in South Jersey. Not to be confused with North Jersey.

Pay is a differential, yes. But there are patterns here that cannot be ignored. Also, sandwich jokes are not a joke. They aren't funny, they are an insulting way to tell a girl to shut up. If you were to protest, you'd be accused of having no sense of humor. Have you ever have of gaslighting? Because that's what it is.

Some jokes are mean, some are harsh, and some insulting. But these are demeaning and actually harmful psychologically and to our society as a whole.

Now let me get this straight. Because people don't make a big deal about Women's History Month, it's not as big a deal to be a woman? Do you honestly think that there's a bigger difference between black and white people than there are between genders? Cause that just makes no sense.

Why people don't make a bigger deal of it... Well there have been papers, probably whole books, written on that issue. But nothing changing the fact that technically, women are the most oppressed group of people throughout history. And in many places, we currently have limited rights, or none at all. That's why Women's History Month is worldwide, not just in America. And that's why it's important.

But the fact that no one thinks about Women's Month doesn't mean "women have all their rights, so it doesn't matter." All it means is this- while black people have gained their rights and are exercising them, slowly overcoming race barriers, women are having their freedoms threatened or taken away in ways that are subtle and subversive. Unfortunately, we're too busy feeling secure in our freedoms to notice them being slowly revoked.

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I would like to point out that my university celebrated Women's month and also emphasizes gender equality. So it is known. But I'd like to point out that when you say that women are the most oppressed group in history, that's entirely up to debate.

The social paradigm for centuries was that women were the caretakers of a family, not unlike how mother animals in nature are commonly the caretakers of their own kind. This was accepted by women as well as men, largely due to the religious ideologies of the time.

Then, with the onset of industrialization came a workforce more filled with women. The first consensus was that men were still the primary breadwinners, thus women were initially paid less. This was, however, proven over time to be an untrue factor. Women united to fight for equality in the workforce. As women continued to work toward this goal, the paradigm shifted.

Women were granted greater roles in government as well as in industry. Men started to work side by side with women, and women because to take on the responsibilities of men. It's a mutual understanding between men and women; that's not going to change, at least where the first world is concerned.

Now, the third world is a different matter. I'm not going to argue that there are nations where women are treated very poorly. In these nations, women will be tortured and beaten for reasons that make literally no sense and are nothing short of sickening. That is heinous and unforgivable.

At the same time, you still have individuals in other countries, both male and female, who follow the traditional doctrines. In these nations, females are still the traditional caretakers. Feminists would argue that this is wrong, but is it? Who are we to interfere with a culture that is uniformly accepted? And who are we to call it "opression?"

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. But my own personal doctrine is that humans are stronger by relying on their character instead of their classifications. There is one last thing I would like to point out, however. I am transgender, which means that while I will become a woman, I may never know that which a natural woman goes through. And you'll probably say that makes me hypocritical.

But remember this, if nothing else. I'm going to be discriminated against. People will still think of me as the sex I was and insist I'm a male and cannot run from it. That or they will insist I am crazy. There will be discontent, hatred. I am aware of all of these things, but damned if I'm going to let it get to me. I will become stronger, and prove that I am a person to be respected. I will do so in the same way women have in the past.

But personally, I don't need recognition in the form of a day or month. I don't personally devote time to pride days or months, nor do I attend events pertaining to the LGBT community. The respect of those around me, the respect I will earn from my devotion to success, is all I need.

That's all I wanted to say.

That was directed to Vives, by the way.

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>>144 Thanks for bumping an actually useful thread, albeit in a crude fashion. I'd recommend that you try to learn, instead of arguing and spamming everything with your mindless crap.

>>143 >>144 Gotta be honest - nobody cares about what you say. However, thank you for bumping my thread.

>>138 No I don't think that there's a bigger difference between race than between genders, but my point is that emphasisinga certain race for any period of time annually will give the impression that there is. Because it gives the impression that race does make a difference, I think we should do away with it.

If someone is offended by a holocaust joke, does that mean they have no sense of humor, no. Most people will just not tell Holocaust jokes when that person is around instead. I make women jokes to my female friends at times, and we all just laugh at it because we know we're no prejudiced at all.

And what do you mean women are losing their rights? Women are accomplishing more and more. Now the only job in the military women can't apply for is a front line infantry role. Most recently, we even had a women run for president who might have actually won, but she dropped out on her own.

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>>140 Thank you for the response!

Now I know that that is debatable, but what I do know is this: in the grand scheme of things, throughout history and today, women have significantly less power than men. Socially, politically, economically... I won't even go into the examples, they are endless.

Although we do work side by side and our equality is supposed to be something that is understood, what I meant was that this is slowly changing before our eyes. Look at the way the media treats women... Look at the recent anti-abortion bills going through. And again, let me bring back the sandwich jokes. In subtle and not-so-subtle ways, our equality is being threatened. Maybe this sounds like me being a conspiracy theorist, but I can see these things quite clearly, and so can others.

As for places that accept traditional gender roles, well I think that is fine. I want to travel one day and I'm fascinated with other cultures, so cultural differences are something I tend to consider. There is nothing wrong with traditional gender roles as long as it fits with that people's idea of equality. If both women and men believe that they should be treated in specific ways, than that is their decision and if no one believes they are being wronged, then fine.

The difference is, in this county we have certain things that are expected of us as women. We are allowed certain rights, we have fought for them, and we exercise them. It's become part of our culture. However, there are things going on (which quite frankly disturb me) that seem to be changing the way we and others see the female gender, not to mention the things we are allowed control over.

I very much agree with your personal doctrine. I believe the same thing. I just think that, while we shouldn't rely on our classifications, we should be able to draw some strength or empowerment from them. As in, "I am who I am, and I am proud of these aspects of it". When the way I identify myself negatively affects me, that's when I get defensive. After all, being female is a part of my character.

It doesn't define me however. The reason I started thinking about women's rights in the first place was because I didn't want anyone to think they had some sort of god-given reason to think they're better than me. This may be the mark of an egoist, I won't argue with that.

I do not at all think you are a hypocrite. In fact, I think you have just as much reason, if not more, to talk about this kind of thing. Yes, the biological part of being a woman does matter, and a lot of women's concerns are centered around issues like abortion, what we are and aren't allowed to do with our bodies.

But honestly, it's the social aspect that matters more. After all, gender is a social construct. Not enough people understand this, and I feel like this lack of information causes more problems than anything else.

As to your last point, I don't think anyone needs a month to celebrate. But I don't think there's enough argument against it. If there is really no need for it, people will stop celebrating. I feel like earning respect is something we all need to do. We need to take responsibility for ourselves. People who use pride or history months as a crutch or a tool, well, they shouldn't. That I do not agree with.

But I see no harm in celebrating; not only your gender, race, or orientation, but others as well. I attended a Women's History celebration at my school. But I went to the one for Black History Month too. I've attended LGBT events before as well. I don't think these days and weeks and months of celebration should be criticized, I just think that they shouldn't be exclusive.

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Because I tend to lurk, I knew that about you before now. It's part of the reason I respect you. I believe that it takes tremendous strength of will to be transgender. You willingly face that discrimination and everything that comes with it for the sake of being true to yourself and becoming who you are. To me, it's the highest form of bravery.

>>150 Not to sound like a dick, and I'm not trying to be rude... But you sound like a conspiracy theorist... No, not all women excerise their rights. You fought for your right to vote, but half of the people in the U.S. don't even vote anymore.

And the anti-abortion topic doesn't have anything to do with women losing rights. Honestly, if men could give birth, the same thing would be going on for them. It's an issue that a lot of people are sensitive about, mainly for religious reasons.

>>147 The thing is, I don't think that they are emphasizing it in a bad way. There's nothing wrong with recognizing differences that exist. It's not about the way we are different, it's about history. We can forgive, but we shouldn't forget.

As for the strides women have made in recent years... You realize that we make up half of the population. The fact is, not enough of the people in charge are female, we've had no female presidents, and the few females who do have positions of power are often discredited or disregarded.

>>152 We could have had a female president, but she dropped out of the presidential race on her own. But who says when women hold enough offices? When they hold 100% of all positions of power? Of course I don't think this, but do you see what I'm trying to imply? I'm having a hard time trying to think of how to express it at the moment.

>>151 I said that I might sound like that yeah, but not for no reason. It feels like women have forgotten that our rights are something we had to fight for. People are letting it go by the wayside, and it feels like they may be slipping away.

And yes, abortion is related to women's rights. Abortion is something offered (or not offered) to women who are pregnant. Men can understand it certainly, but women should have some say in it too, or you would think. The fact the we don't have enough say in the decision is proof enough that we're losing our rights. This is a female-related topic. This is control over our own bodies. Abortion isn't only a religious issue, but even if you see it that way, well women are religious too! We can have that debate on our own, and make our own decisions.

Some background:
http://www.progresswomen.com/2012/02/23/missouri-women-reps-ignored-in-birth-control-debate/

>>153 Again, we make up around half of the population. The amount of women in politics is disproportionate to the amount of women in this country. We are grossly underrepresented.

Having a woman run for president is a meaningful step yes, but she didn't win. That's it. She dropped out. In addition, she appeared overwhelmed or confused almost the entire time. The point is, having nothing but a candidate in the entire time since we gained our rights...? It simply isn't enough progress, not for me, not for others.

>>154 If some people don't want to excersise their rights, that's a personal choice. Their rights aren't fading, their just taking them for granted.

But the fact that abortion is still a hot topic of discussion means that it's likely to change. It doesn't mean your rights are fading. A lot of women don't want to legalize abortion. I know quite a few who feel that way. It's not just men being sexist, it's that it's an incredibly controversial issue for both men, and women.

>>155 Under-represented and not holding office are two different things. Honestly, I don't care who holds the office as long as I'm 'represented'.

And if she seemed overwhelmed or confused the entire time, she wouldn't be fit for office, and I'm not going to elect someone who isn't as well prepared for an office or someone who is more suitable just because she's a woman. And I think she could've won, but it was her choice to drop out, so she's accountable. You can't be pissed at everyone else and say your rights are being taken away because a woman didn't make president when the female candidate dropped out of her own free will.

>>156 It is for social reasons that people aren't utilizing their rights. Our rights aren't fading, they're being revoked.

The fact is, whether abortion is legalized or not, women should have a say. I'm not saying that outlawing abortion is sexist, I'm saying that keeping us from choosing for ourselves is sexist. We deserve to have more say in it.

I meant under-represented as in "not enough representatives". We don't have an equal number of men and women in charge. It's not even close to equal in fact.

I never once said that "my rights are being taken away because a woman didn't make president". That is not at all what I said. I said that she wan't a good example of a candidate in my opinion so for her to be our shot at the white house just isn't enough. She dropped out. I was glad, because I didn't want her to win anyway, even though she's a woman. I just wish that we could've had a more competent female candidate, who could've had a shot at winning.

I'm not pissed at everyone else by the way. I think it's sad the way the country is going but a lot of people think that too, for their own reasons. I'm just giving my take on things.

>>157 They're not being revoked. It's apathy. People don't vote because "I'm just one person. It's not like my vote is gonna change anything".

And a lot of people think marijuana should be legalized, but we don't have a say in that, either. The issue with abortion is whether or not it would be considered murder. It's not illegal for any sexist reasons at all.

Whether or not she's a good example, I don't even see any other women running for president. How can we elect a good female candidate if none of them decide to run?

And sorry, to me it just sounded like you were angry. My apologies.

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