Interested in everyone's thoughts on different things regarding reality. Could range from philosophical, to fantasy, to scientific interpretations.

Anything ranging from how one perceives things in the universe, to the universe's existence itself. Or even other universes and realities that run in parallel to ours, or not. What can be considered reality, complete fiction, or something in between that we can't be sure of?

Thoughts on multiple dimension theory, alternate realities, timelines, possibilities, and yes, even simulacra. Have at it - discussion is a-go.

Reality is such a flimsy concept, like paper over water. It is really interesting to talk about, but at the same time erie. In truth be told anything can, could, would, will, or has happened, or at least to those with opened minds. \
An open mind is really all you need when involving yourself in this kind of stuff.

There's never really a way of determining what is real and what is not. Throughout life we are told things and simply take them for granted, no questions asked. Meanings change from one language to the next and when they do, how do you know that it's the same? Question things. A lot. See where it takes you.

Here are some of my thoughts on it. I'm likely going to be ninja'd, since I get distracted easily when I'm not chatting about this stuff in real-time.

My favorite theory is the one proposed by Rob Bryanton. Some of you may recognize it - it's called Imagining the Tenth Dimension.

He provides a very easy to understand, simplified explanation of 10 possible dimensions, going all the way from a plain line (1st) to a single point encompassing every possible universe (10th).

I won't describe it here, he does it much better than I ever could, in the short 11 minute video I linked above. But it's interesting to think about, in relation to our frame of reference.

We live perceiving the 2nd dimension, and we consider ourselves objects in the 3rd dimension, unable to perceive the 4th. It bridges over into philosophical thought when you try to consider anything even higher than that. The 5th dimension can only exist if one considers causality and free will to be a real thing - that is, if they don't believe in absolute, indelible fate.

But at the same time, you can.

If we live by traveling on a straight line in the 5th dimension, we are effectively ignoring all the other branches that make it up, and restricting ourselves to the 4th. Does that mean we really don't have any say in our fate? The fact that we don't follow different paths - does that mean we're tethered to that single line, even though our alternate selves find themselves on other ones, parallel to us?

Or does it not matter? We don't know which line we're on, and similarly, we're blissfully unaware of the lines we don't follow; the paths not taken. But if you consider the timeline to be something set in a spacial dimension, rather than an undeveloped temporal one, then it's hard to say whether or not we really have any say as far as predestination goes.

Divineraccoon and I already talked about this some, but I feel like it's good fodder for further discussion.

Well, I will often think about this type of stuff on my own, not really getting anywhere, and just causing more questions. Because of this, I personally do not like to have very specific beliefs about most things. Are there parallel universes? Very possible. Do they have alternate versions of ourselves? Could be. Are we the masters of our own fate? Who really knows. The only belief I have is that what happens happens, what will happen will come, and that if dwell to much on this thought, we can never truly move forward in the world or our lives.

My science teacher showed us a video about string theory. I don't entirely understand it, but it seems somehow real

I'll just leave this here for you and actually make a post when I have time. Gotta find a fucking cheeseburger!

Reality is a... tricky topic. Speaking scientifically there are multiple theories on dimensions and what we perceive is going on around us. Then, speaking metaphorically, reality is simply how we interpret what goes on around us and how we react to it.

I think I'll go metaphorical on this one.

I know there's not too much of a difference between the scientific and metaphorical ways of viewing reality, but there is a distinction. That is, scientifically has more to do with dimensions than anything else.

I've thought about this topic quite a bit before, and I never seem to come to a conclusion within my thoughts. This is what I've got so far though... Mainly they're just unanswered questions that may or may not start a discussion of sorts.

Reality seems to differ with every person, though to a single person's point of view it's hard to discern. There have been multiple situations where I've had a discussion with someone, and the way the interpret something is completely different from my own perspective. I don't mean opinion wise, I'm talking about the way some people think. As in, if you get someone to really explain their logic on a matter, you get a glimpse of a whole different way of seeing things. It's intriguing.

That brought me on to the question of color perception, and I came up with a strange thought. If everyone is taught what colors are visually from when they are little, do we see all colors the same? What I mean is, maybe two people label something as green, but do they both see the same color? This may have a scientific answer already, but I thought it was interesting to think about.

Which brings me to my next idea. If we possibly don't see colors the same, we just label them the same, does that go for everything else too? Are our senses different in ways, yet because we label things we perceive, we can understand one another? I thought that these matters were quite puzzling.

So now, my question is... If everything we know as a label is potentially false, what effects, if any, does it even have?

Another matter I wanted to bring up was people with born with impairments in their senses. Their perception of reality must be different ours. Sight is one of our most used senses, therefore making up a high percent of our reality. Blind people though, don't have seeing as a part of their reality. Some who are born blind might not even be able to fully grasp the idea of seeing, as it is such a foreign concept. It was never part of their reality to begin with.

I may have more thoughts on this later, but that is all I have for now. I'm probably going to be dwelling on this now...

I though of something else while dwelling for a bit.

As I said before, reality differs with each person, but to explain your own reality is extremely complex to do with words, yet in our own minds its so simple, because it's the way we live. What is it that makes reality so diverse that it can't be translated from our minds into words? Of course anyone can describe how they live and what they do, but they can't explain how they're viewing everything as they go along in life. There just aren't words for it.

I also believe that as we come to understand more about ourselves and the world, our reality changes. If you can, think back to when you were seven or younger. Everything was so much more simple. Life was simple. At least, compared to our realities now it was. Back then it seemed to be a mess. It's strange how the change in reality was so subtle though. It's definite, because there definitely was a change, but not noticeable at the time of the change. Unless you had a mind-altering event that changed your view of everything in one go. That's an exception.

I don´t think that human brain could ever possibly understand other realities. We are living through what we see,hear and feel in the reality which we meet everyday and our range of comprehension isn´t enough to understand it.

Reality is really tough to talk about. From my perspective, reality is like what @Morphine said. Everyone's perspective on reality is different because everyone sees everything differently. It's such a broad topic to talk about.

I believe in the "False Reality Clause" or at least that is what I call it. Might have a different, more official name, but I'm too lethargic to even bother trying to find the correct term.

The "False Reality Clause" is really a way of morphing or chaping reality by getting enough people to believe in that one certain reality. Sort of like how faith gives God, or by extension other religions, ground within our everyday lives. If enough people believe in something than that something must be real.

I know I've sort of invalidated myself by putting a religious spin on it, but it's the best I could come up with. But when you think about it, everything we know now, what we know to be our reality, started as an idea that grew into something more by having enough people get behind it and turn it into reality.

So, I guess to summarize, my theory has alot to do with the power that people give to the reality they choose.

Oh! And this also works for the alternate dimension idea as well. What if by some form of cosmic force(I know it's absurd but hear me out) we could create an alternate reality just by simply saying that it exists? By getting enough people to believe that there is another universe parallel to this one, could there really be one out there?

I obsessed over this stuff while in high school, sorry if I rambled there for a bit.

There are many times when I wonder if the world is particularly simple in its design. Have you ever noticed how its topography is one big tessellation? For example, go down US Highway 395 in its entirety and you will see the same terrain several times throughout in an almost cookie-cutter way, with only slight differences.

That simplicity would argue that this is the design of a computer system, but I'd hate to go that far.

>>14 Totally off topic. But. Youre, like, considered God in the chat rooms. Wondering why~

>>15 I didn't know I had ascended to dietyhood. Interesting. I will say this, though. I try to contribute a lot to the Dollars, hence the recognition.

Reality, what is it? Reality is everything and nothing. Reality is seen differently by everyone.
Allusions, assumptions, lies, tails, imagination, personality, religion, home and family life, school life, education; You have your own reality based of these things, based on what is told to you and what you learn.
Everyone’s Reality is different, just as no one man’s mind is the same no one man’s Reality is the same.
That is my opinion on this matter.

I am an alchemist so my perception of the world and reality probaably differ from everything else,but are base sientific in nature. As well as i belive there is truth in the Assassins creed "nothing is true; everything is permited" to recognise that societys ways are fragile and that we must be the shepords of our own destiny, and that there is no wrong path but that some paths end the paths of outhers therfor they thenselves must be ended.

>>19 Pretty much hit the nail of how I see reality. XD I think everything is possiable but allways try to see the good things over negative things.

>>14 You sound like you would really enjoy Vihart's videos. Her videos actually make mathematical concepts interesting, and some of them even relate to the real world a lot more than one would think at first. Perhaps one could even extrapolate and find some meaning in some of them about the broader scope of reality, if only to stay on topic.

Despite what anyone else thinks, I feel fortunate to live in a plane of reality where fighting games, infinite loops, and tacos co-exit in harmony.

There is a 1:infinity to the infinite power chance of being in this universe existing in any time.

I believe all things in the universe keep each other in balance, and that said balance is the "god" people came to belive in. I believe some parts of our lives can be influenced by "fate", but that our ultimate "destiny" is for us to decide. I believe that heaven and hell are mere perceptions of reality. As for alternate universes; I son;t see why they can;t exist.

Don't know much, but I do know im alive. And I do know that me and every other human being is capable of great power; that power will make or break our world. So we need to do what we can to repent for the sins our ancestors have left behind and make the world great once again. Happiness is not impossible, we just got to keep going trough the ugliness; never giving up. To win is strength; to be defeated is a part of what makes life beautiful.

This is... a weird question.

On one hand, because of experiences I've had, I know I believe in ghosts(/sorts of unconsciously manifested beings?) as well as some other supernatural things, but I don't know enough to base my life on that. I'm still young to be deciding my religion and such, so I just live my life on a day to day basis without religion affecting it. I don't think I could live relying on some greater being to make my life wonderful. I don't believe in Heaven, but I do believe in reincarnation. I don't believe in the religious versions of Hell, but I like to think that there is punishment for various actions in the afterlife. I don't think that whether an action is "good" or "bad" is the same as general religions, either - I think it all depends on the person. If you go against your own morals continuously and just stuff yourself with guilt, you're not going to have a happy experience when you're released from your body. That's why I always follow my own rules without guilt instead of hurting myself by following someone else's rules.

Personally, I like to believe that there are various dimensions, similar to what Misuto was talking about. I can't say that my theories are as drawn out as Bryanton's, however I can say that they are close. Various dimensions seem like the easiest way to explain things that most of us can't see.

To be honest, I believe the most that your own world is created by your subconscious. I don't think there is anything set in stone that defines how we should/do live. If you really wanted to, you could just escape to your subconscious and live in your little rainbow pony land all you wanted, but most of us feel this strange ass obligation to society and don't do it.

Basically, I've experienced a lot of weird shit, so I know there's something more out there, but I haven't quite put the pieces together yet. I have a lot of theories. I'm really bad at explaining this type of thing (mainly because my own mind isn't set yet).

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All of this.

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I know there's more to reality than what we can see. I know of someone who can apparently sense ghosts/demons or whatever, but I haven't talked to her since I found out about that. She was walking to someone's huse with other people and randomly stopped and said there was a ton of 'them' in the house, but it was okay because they don't like cats. She had never been to the house, and that person did have cats, and she said she'd been having weird things happening all the time. Apparently this sort of thing has been happeneing to her for almost her whole life. I don't know if that would be creepy or awesome...and yes this is real, my mom told me about it. She wasn't there, but she heard about at work, because the girl's mom works with my mom and the rest of the people whoo were there when that happened. Sorry if this was kind of random or not quite on topic, I just thought it was interesting. Just so there's no confusion, I am christian...

>>33 Maybe it's just me, but it seems like that last part of that post is contradicting the whole post before it. Do you have your own opinion about reallity, or do you follow the opinions of Christianity? Your post is confusing.

Saying, "I'm Christian," is defining your whole idea of reality already; no explanation is needed. If you are tied down to a religion, everything in that religion is your opinion, and if you are going to deviate, don't call yourself part of it :V

>>34 False. False False False.

I am non-practicing Christian.
I.E. I don't go to church or nothing
But I still believe in Christ.

I hate organized religion, but believe in spirituality.

Just because I am part of a religion, doesn't mean I must accept everything blindly. You can do that without being part of a religion.
And telling someone if they don't believe all facets of their religion, then they cannot call themselves a part of it, is a bit judgemental, no?

Im sure if you were to take a poll of all Christians, not all of their perceptions of reality will be the same.
Many may be similar, but they will not all be the same.

As far is what he was talking about with ghosts and demons:

I believe that hell is in the center of the earth (Bibilical), however, ghosts and demons are those punished to roam the physical earth as part of their punishment.

I have never really seen one before though. so... lol

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>>35 I personally think that it is ridiculous. I dislike organized religion in the first place, but if you are going to call yourself a part of it, I believe you should be dedicated and follow the preachings to a T. If you have different beliefs even a little, then I don't feel that you should consider yourself part of that religion. You have your own beliefs or you have the beliefs that have been set out for you. I feel that it is insulting to call yourself a part of such a thing with pride and then say, "Well, I think they're wrong; this is what I believe:" You may have your own interpretation of the Bible or another spiritual book/book series/conglomeration of crap, but then make your own name and group that follow that interpretation; don't call yourself part of another group. That's like a slap in the face to the original ideals. Christianity is the broad term (I believe) for those who believe in the bible, but even it has limits that need to be heeded. If you're not going to heed them, then don't call yourself a Christian.

My opinions apparently differ from yours. However, that does not give you the right to say "false" to my opinions. Nothing is right or wrong in an arguement of beliefs. I have given you my opinion, and you may keep yours as you wish.

>>37
"Well, I think they're wrong; this is what I believe"

Except EVERY fucking Religion is like this very statement. go ahead and correct me, but the worst out of the whole bunch that uses that, is fucking Christianity.

That type of ORGANIZED Religion, uses that very 'motto' more or less. Unless you think like they do, act like they do, talk like they do, walk like they do, fucking SMELL and TASTE like they do, you're always going to be wrong.

Organized Religion is the worst pile of bile and steaming bullshit, because there will be 1 person in every Church you go to, who'll try to place the power and word of GOD, in themselves, then preach like they are GOD themselves, and cast SHAME and doubt on others who they deem as NON-BELIEVERS because their opinion is a tad bit different.

Then they corrupt people to do the same, and then it spreads.

There is very few other Religions, that are a tad bit organized, but not as much, that don't act as bad as that, but it's becoming the norm.



Also, you think if they think any differently, they shouldn't say they are a part of that certain group. Now EXACTLY why is that? Because the original ideas, based soooo fucking long ago, are not 100% what they are going with? Why the hell does that sound so corrupt to me? "My idea is a tad bit different, so I should just run away from others I'm with, and try to be something different, that I don't wish to be."



You'll either agree, or disagree. The people who disagree are those very corrupted individuals who act that very way as mentioned above. Give or take a few.

But, I'll not ARGUE with what you believe. Because then I'm as bad as that in which I'm arguing about. Just saying.

Cool guys, intention of the thread was totally to get you to start being anal about the differing levels of adherence to religious views. I started this thread with the sole purpose to start nit-picking at peoples' beliefs and calling them out on shit like it was seriously a huge fucking deal.

Good work team, we did it. I knew I could count on you.

>>40 (ignores blatant sarcasm) I agree completely. It's a good thing to think hard about what you believe once in a while, and a little healthy debate never hurt anyone. I guess the rage thread on Random just isn't enough for us Dollars to get out all our passion~

Any thing out of the extraordinary I love if every thing was ordinary there would be nothing no cars no computers no Internet no dollars so I want to suppor any body that acts weard or any thing really cuz I want to and enybody in the high school San Diego High or going to San diego high next year I am making a club next year so if u want to join please do I'm calling it the Japanese culture club join please

>>42 The fuck? Very, very little of that was even remotely relevant to the topic of this thread

Damn, this thread has gone somewhere. I really wanted to be involved with this thread. Unfortunately, I have not read ANY of it since my last post... I will later then, so until then... BUMP!

>>38 I feel that organized religion is complete bullshit. I already agreed with you on that part. And like you said, that is how organized religious groups came along. They decided, "Well, I don't like the way it's taught, so I'll make my own group." That's why we have so many branches and groups of religion. I don't see why people nowadays are so afraid of starting their own groups and following their own ideas. It seems like a slap in the face to the people of the religion you're 'following' if your opinions differ. Their opinions differed, too, and that's how they came along; they don't need to hear you saying that you feel differently, yet you still attend their church or still refer to yourself using their name.

Again, that's just me. Hopefully this post explained me a little better.

>>40 Minus Thiamor and his capslock, I think most of us are pretty calm :| I'm just having a debate here.

>>45 Same here. Im pretty chill.
BTW I only said false because Dwight says it on The Office.
lol
Sorry if I offended.

But here, see, this is where I think you are wrong.

Who are you to determine who belongs to what religion because of what they believe?
Jesus didn't run an organization like a church.
His life was the only Bible some people read.
He didn't use tithing and offering money to buy himself a new car.
He didnt get a degree to become a preacher.
He did none of the things that most preachers do today (slanderous or not).

He was a man, that lived life accordingly. We are to emulate him.

I was a bit shocked when you called me out on not belonging to the Christian religion. Why?
lol
I am not making my own religion.
Nor do I want followers.
nor am I trying to use it as an Opiate.(of the masses)
It is my own damned personal beliefs.
Not respecting them is one thing.
Telling me I CANNOT is wrong.
You can't tell me I don't belong to a certain religion, just because I am different, or believe differently.
I believe the fundamentals, and was raised in the church.
And to be honest, you sound like most Christians, by saying such.
Just because I don't go to church every sunday, doesn't mean I am not a Christian.
That reason alone is why we left.
We were persecuted so heavily for not showing up EVERY sunday.
We stopped going.
That, and because I began attending a public school for my HS education.

I am Christian.
i believe in God's existence, and the Devil's
I believe in Heaven and Hell.
I believe in Jesus, and that He died. (This, in reality, is the ONLY true requirement of being a follower of Christ, or, a Christian.)

HOWEVER, I do think that many religions complement each other( I really enjoy Asian philosophies and religions), along with science, and what it has helped us to understand.
But I also believe, that some stuff, you can't explain. lol

Reality is different for everyone. Most people don't have open minds and rarely dwell on the fact that there very well might be other worlds beyond human comprehension. Most people go by logic, but honestly what exactly is logic? The stuff that can be proved by science and other careful research. My own personal beliefs is that there are indeed many other parallel worlds beyond our own that most normal humans cannot reach because of their own beleifs and mental abilitues that are too low to understand concepts such as these. Most of these similar arguments are caused because people refuse to believe in things such as ghosts, spirits, demons, extraterrestrial beings and such; because of science and possible fears...However these are just my thoughts and although i get incredibly pissed off when people say that demons and such are a bunch of bullshit, you may believe whatever you want. Just take this advice and try to keep your mind open about things like these, the results may surprise you. Also i know a lot of you probably know me as the weird girl always talking about demons, but that does not persuade my opinion on this topic. This is what i honestly and truley believe.

>>46 A'ight, fair enough. And I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, so listen once and don't make me say it again: I'm not telling you what you can and can't do. I'm telling you what I feel should be done based on my opinions.

I could continue to debate, but I'm running out of ammunition, so I'll end it here lol

>>48I could continue to debate, but I'm running out of ammunition, so I'll end it here lol

WHAZZAT I HEAR?

Barabi is losing ammunition in a debate!?
She is trying to end the battle before she loses!?
Forte wins a debate against Barabi for once?!
What?!

Am I DREAMING?!

>>46, this. You are amazing Forte.

Anyway, my perception of reality? I believe every mind process the world in a different way. Now, all the parallel universes/timelines and such, I think they might be real, but if they are we will probably never get through to them. Multiple dimensions? Sure, what we see as Heaven, Hell, ghosts/demons, fairies, or anything like that, is likely a glimpse into another dimension. Different people are more open to these phenomena than others.

>>49 Don't get so cocky.
I MERELY ALLOWED YOU TO WIN.

>>52 I SAW THAT.
ID: 7xe/WNBG\
Name: Doesn't want to be killed
">>51 Has officially adopted the mentality of Ayanavi."

I assume that was either Mael or Misuto...

Y U DO THIS?

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude she caught you!

>>54 HA. Anyway, why are you going to get killed?

ID: 7xe/WNBG
Name: Is going to get killed.
"Y U DO THIS?"

>>51 EVEN IF YOU DID, A WIN IS A WIN.
You should not have let down your guard :3

>>50 Why am I amazing?
What?
BECAUSE I BEAT BARABI!?
OH YEAH!
WOOH!
jk jk.
I would be a sad person if this excited me so.
lol
I really enjoy having debates with you Barabi.
Its so fun! :)

>>57 I wish we had a debate club at our school D:

>>58 We do. I have never done it though. Coach and a few friends wanted me to do it. lol

They think I would make a good lawyer.
The only reason I think I am good at debating is because I am so damn hard-headed. hahahaha

Rhe

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there is no reality only our own fantasies created by yor self because we want to belive they are true but in what we call reality they are fictional.

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>>64 Fucking get out. Now.

Anyone that isn't going to start a shitstorm about unrelated religious principles wanna take a whack at this? The answers thus far have been an interesting insight.

I've been reading them, just haven't had anything really to add, nor the time to discuss it at length.

(>>64 to >>67)
What occurs when people with 1st world problems begin to believe that the world is a manifest of their own mind and that everyone secretly wants to help you. World isn't so bright and shiny, and as much as alternative thinking can do, it can't change your reality outright. It is the product of thought, not thought itself.

>>69 Let's try to put sense to the statement then, for the sake of conversation then, shall we?

It's been discussed at different lengths earlier in this thread that perception is what you make of it. Literally, what you are perceiving isn't necessarily reality, but your interpretation of it. Quite literally, the subconscious, cognitive part of your mind could be fabricating reality around you, regardless of conscious thought.

It's impossible to consider the idea that you perceive something differently than someone else, because you don't know how they perceive it. You both describe it the same way, and call it the same thing, but are you seeing the same thing? Your respective, developed subconscious tell you what it has been programmed to perceive.

To give an example, what if the color brown looked different for you? You would have no way of knowing this. There would be no way to tell that you are seeing the color purple, and calling it brown, because everyone else sees it as brown and calls it such. And the same goes for them - what if that's not what it actually looks like at all?

The moment you consider that you cannot trust your senses to depict reality in its reality is when we take our first step into mindfuck territory.

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So... does this mean that there is no one general sense of reality? Does this mean reality is many things instead of just one general idea? Like... everyone has their own individual realities?
...

>>72 That depends on what you prefer to think and/or believe to be true.

>>72

Well everything here in the conversation is merely conjecture. Take from it what you will, give to it what you will.

But that is the jist of what I said in my post, yes. See >>9 >>10 >>13 and... sort of >>33, I guess.

>>64 What do you mean "In what we call reality..." have you not read any of the other posts? Many people have different opinions, i understand that but do you really believe it that much that you would put it that bluntly without even considering other possabilities? I honestly very strongly dissagree...>>47

Isn't the process of thinking life isn't real nihilism?

>>76 Not exactly. Nihilism is the belief that something is meaningless - that something holds no value.

An existential nihilist will say that life has absolutely no meaning in the end, so everything in between is pointless.

I guess in a way you could say that believing it to be a fantasy is nihilism, but it also doesn't necessarily discount the meaning behind it. It just claims it false.

I've learned that people are truely stupid. (This isn't directed towards anyone)

>>7 dude we will get along just great with that bad ass post

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What everyone see's and thinks could range from anything. Some lives are hazed by wants or anything they want due to their minds creating their own reality for them. Sometimes even I wish I could just drop my past and my future and create my own little world for me to live a care free life, but just to be awoken by reality. Some people think the world was created by god and come think the world was created by scientific reasons. But the way I see it the world was created to be created, we live our lives daily and do everything in our power to do, whether we're doing good or bad.

That's probably the reason why I'm still around, I believe that there is a reason why I-we all are still here, is there a greater being? Or were we all created by chance, I guess we'll all figure out one way or another

I don't believe in a higher force, but the idea of something keeping balance in the universe is comforting. About reality though, I believe in multiverse. So what is reality? No clue.

I believe no two realities are the same. Reality is defined through perception and nobody has the same truths (small-pictures or big-picture) so talking about one defined reality is a waste of time.

what if the end has alredy come our "god, lord" alredy came and left leaving this behind

>>88 Good thing that's totally the topic of this thread.

>>88 If you want to discuss this topic, make your own thread.
>>87 I think this opinion has been stated already, but, yeah, I think so too.

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>>88 good point.
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We all absorb different things since we all live different lives, but even if we all absorbed the same thing, we would still perceive different things then what anyone else did. We all have different perceptions of the world therefor we only perceive what we want to perceive. That means, the floor you are standing on? That could be fake. It could be an object of our imagination, but we choose to perceive it. Since we all perceive different things we each live in our own reality. Are reality may or may not be very different from the person next to us, but it is never exactly the same.

To be Blount...i dont really understand reality....so much things can happen

I think that reality is whatever you make it, that we're all on one path and the descision that we make can change the direction of the path or can widen, split, ot narrow the path, metaphorically speaking. Yet at the same time the definition of reality is looked at differently by every individual. Its impossible to determine whether or not the worl we live in now is even real. The word "reality," all in all is a total mind game. Is there real a "reality," at all?

Reality and life are a game and everything my pieces..

Another delusional power trip in desperate need of being unplugged. I would do it myself, but you hardly appear to be worth the effort.

>>98? Can you explain

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From a Metaphysical stand point we as Humans cannot percieve reality 100% correctly, do to perception we lose the ability to view reality 100% correctly, instead we as people must go over events with others for confirmation of any event to ensure that we accuretly percieved an event.

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Wow... So many openions and ideals...im starting to feel dizzy %-) lol

>>101 Maybe if you made this more than just one, repetetive, run-on sentence?

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guh. yea. I made it an uber scentence, but who cares? I'm not a grammer Nazi. O:

I would write everything about my perception of reality, except for the fact that it would take a while for me to type it all...

†PARALLEL worlds.

well.. same as 108.

The idea of "multi-verse" (that there are multiple universes based off of random chance or crossroad decisions) may also have come from the idea of "sudo-truth", which is what every individual perceives as the truth. Have you ever heard people say that your memories are never exactly right? Well, since everyone perceives everything differently, we very well may live in different universes.

-_-. never thought that much about reality. but now after much thinking about my perception of life. to me it is a game. the problems that happen video games shows whether or not the player can solve it. thats the same thing when a person has an issue, they find a solution.-_- someone is going tear me apart now. and bump

>>111, Memories are never completely right. As time passes your brain edits them to how it thinks they should have happened. It also makes you more of the center of attention. Many studies have been done on this. I trust my own memory more than that of other people's because I figure since I know what's going on I should have more accurate memories. I do, however, ignore them most of the time, dismissing what I think I remember as crap made up by my brain.

Im open to world views.

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Ehh~ My thoughts on reality. Hmmm. Well, i dislike reality. Reality is the one thing that can take away fantasies and show you the cruel truth. But then again, I don't like fantasies either. Fantasies can twist your entire world. Altering everything to how you please, and before you know it your delusions become your reality. And you wouldn't know what's the truth and what's a lie. Just like your memories, you can be so caught up in your own thougths that the true memories you have change. In my opinion, our human brains can dwell on something so long that what isn't true become the truth in our eyes. Until our own fantasies become to what we believe is to truth.
Well, that's just my opinion ^-^. I'm sorry. I'm usually told that I'm a confusing person.

Reality is a terrible place, remind me not to go there again. XD

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Reality... is any place where I chose to look. I dunno, fantasy can't take me away from reality because no matter what I do, I am fully aware that it is there.

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I'm of the Matrix perspective--that reality is just a series of signals taken in by our senses and interpreted by our brain.

Seems kind of simplistic, but I like to think that it gives grounds for "reality" and the definition of it to change whenever, since reality is just the world as we see it. Even if something's not there to other people, as long as it is to us, that'd be an altered reality, yeah? I dunno, the concept just interests me.

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"Simulated Reality" makes sense. Only when you consider a "technological singularity"...

i dont think anyone could time travel but i do believe in other universes. but the space time continuem seems like a frod too

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What the fuck is a frod?

>>125 it is spelled "fraud"...

i believe everything exists, everything that has, is, and can is real. maybe reality is just the belief of something being true or false, we consider real only what we can we can comprehend and not take into account that reality could be an infinite amount of possibilities that could be right in front of us, phased so we cant interact with it or parallel on some different plane. what id a place could be more than a location, maybe a place could be a specific time out of the endless possibilities of times.

Did anyone already watch "Horton hears a who!"? I got this from what the movie is plotting, that what if there are other existing worlds Looking down into our world and to them we are some kind of a tiny speck with little people inside. We cannot deny the possibilities. Even science don't have all the detailed information to other things that needed explanation.

>>129 I always wondered about a scenario like that. I thought that each atom in this universe could be an entire universe of its own, and that our whole universe might just be an atom in a different, larger universe (and so on). And, of course, the time in those smaller universes would flow almost infinitely faster than it would here, and almost infinitely more slowly in the larger ones.

Another notion I liked to entertain was that I was the only person in the universe (not how it sounds), and that everyone had their own universes. To interact with another person, your entire universe had to converge with theirs. I guess this one isn't so much a fanciful imagining as a real perception of reality that one could consider.

Sounds like you would like the science channel, they talk about that stuff all the time... bubble dimensions, micro universes, and string theory. And I think of reality as anything that can be done or thought of to be capable somewhere, as long as you are not dead.

reality is fantisy is reality nothing exists yet all exists you humans need help you all think you are great but only 1 of us is truly great

(no its not me im dispicable)

as a matter of fact its chuck norris whatever he wants to be real is real

anyway aside from my awful joke not asingle one of you humans is great

that is reallity

To me, reality is anything that is... real. We might don't know, and would never know, what is the thing that really exist or not, but I think reality is like the background and we are the one walking on it. So I think reality is the truth, that no one would know what exacly it is. (except God, that I believe, anyway)

Sorry if my writing confuse you, because I always had trouble explaining what I mean. >_<

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>>135 i want to agree to that, and i want to add some.Reality is what we call things that are real,you know pain,and all that sort.But if you look at reality in religion, reality is just a test set my God,but when you look religion in reality its fantasy.Its this time you don't know what to believe anymore.Just what if all the religions was wrong,that would make reality something as mistery...you never know what death would be like,where would you be if you are dead? what if you werent born? this questions...are hard to answer, and that to me is fantasy.

If my words doesnt make sense then i'm sorry,my english is very bad and i'm just 15

>>137 I agree with you. :o And it makes sense though.
Yeah, sometimes I wonder about that too. But then I would never know the answer, so I ended up ignoring it, and still believe what I believe. Because if I want to stay believing my religion, sometimes I have to just believe the 'fantasy' as reality, because no one ever knew anyway. Reality is just full of mystery... @_@

>>134 And what qualifies you to judge greatness?

I like how everyone says their idea of reality would be to long when this was the only thread that I COULD make short, sweet, and to the point without missing anything.

I'd just to make one more comment after pondering this today. You may say a shirt is blue, but I may see it as pink. That is our reality. The next person could come along and call it yellow. Argue as much as you like, but we sill still view it differently. That is because our perception is different. Perception effects reality. Therefore our reality is different.

I don't know a reality~
Anything could be true~who knows~?
Plus, 'reality' is such a bore-why not simply live the life you want to live? Instead of focusing on a dull 'reality' where bad things can happen, why not make up your own world?Your own version of what others 'see'?It can be much easier to live than reality~

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Reality is whatever u make it to be. The only thing set in stone for us is our past an that one day we will die. But besides that we can change anything we want to in our lives thats what makes them our own

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I don't know if you guys watched Baccano, but there's a scene where the rail chaser (or was it tracer...) had a speech on top of the train. Not tryna give any spoilers but he talked about how he was the greatest and everything and yeah...

I'm not sure if I got this idea from HIM or it came from deep within my head but I sometimes imagine the world as a dream. Like, you're LIVING a dream ya know? YOU are the center of this universe because everything revolves around you. It may sound arrogant but the best part of this concept is that if you believe in it, you're not. Because in actuality-well, in this "reality"- because you're the center, YOU'RE GOD...and if at anytime you want to end it, then you can die and everything in the world disappears with you...after all, how would you ever know if it doesn't? You're dead. :}

That sounded kinda twisted and I don't really believe it either, but it was just a passing thought that I wanted to share with everyone.

>>147 I see the world like that at times. Not to the extent of calling myself "God", but to the point where each person is the center of their own universe and if I die my whole world dies with me.

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I think the same way sometimes. Especially when i end up looking at it inception wise. I mean, in the movie Inception they state how you never remember how a dream began. Well do you remember how your life began? No, you don't.

sometimes I wonder about that. are we realy here? and why?

Honestly, who hasen't thought of this? Well, i'll give you my opinion on existence.
Call me crazy, but I think our brains are set a certain way from birth. And our thoughts are all lined up, so we think certain thoughts at a pre-designated time. So, if nobody else existed, our actions would be pre-planned. But, other people do exist.
So, when 2 or more people meet, thier pre-designated thoughts interact with one another, changing them, to make separate actions and events occur, compared to a single person's thoughts. Does that make any sense...?
Of course, I have other theories,but that's the only one that makes even a bit of sense.

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I love talking about things like this when I am not on the laptop. I hope you read this to the end because I am curious about what people think about this. Here I go.

Reality to me is the culmination of multiple experiences to the point that all things are both real and fake. The best example of this would be the story of Plato's cave.

In Plato's fictional dialogue, Socrates begins by describing a scenario in which what people take to be real would in fact be an illusion. He asks Glaucon (Plato's brother) to imagine a cave inhabited by prisoners who have been chained and held immobile since childhood: not only are their arms and legs held in place, but their heads are also fixed, compelled to gaze at a wall in front of them. Behind the prisoners is an enormous fire, and between the fire and the prisoners is a raised walkway, along which people walk carrying things on their heads "including figures of men and animals made of wood, stone and other materials". The prisoners watch the shadows cast by the men, not knowing they are shadows. There are also echoes off the wall from the noise produced from the walkway.

Socrates suggests the prisoners would take the shadows to be real things and the echoes to be real sounds, not just reflections of reality, since they are all they had ever seen or heard. They would praise as clever, whoever could best guess which shadow would come next, as someone who understood the nature of the world, and the whole of their society would depend on the shadows on the wall.

Socrates then supposes that a prisoner is freed and permitted to stand up. If someone were to show him the things that had cast the shadows, he would not recognize them for what they were and could not name them; he would believe the shadows on the wall to be more real than what he sees.

"Suppose further," Socrates says, "that the man was compelled to look at the fire: wouldn't he be struck blind and try to turn his gaze back toward the shadows, as toward what he can see clearly and hold to be real? What if someone forcibly dragged such a man upward, out of the cave: wouldn't the man be angry at the one doing this to him? And if dragged all the way out into the sunlight, wouldn't he be distressed and unable to see "even one of the things now said to be true,”

After some time on the surface, however, the freed prisoner would acclimate. He would see more and more things around him, until he could look upon the Sun. He would understand that the Sun is the "source of the seasons and the years, and is the steward of all things in the visible place, and is in a certain way the cause of all those things he and his companions had been seeing".

Socrates next asks Glaucon to consider the condition of this man. "Wouldn't he remember his first home, what passed for wisdom there, and his fellow prisoners, and consider himself happy and them pitiable? And wouldn't he disdain whatever honors, praises, and prizes were awarded there to the ones who guessed best which shadows followed which? Moreover, were he to return there, wouldn't he be rather bad at their game, no longer being accustomed to the darkness? Wouldn't it be said of him that he went up and came back with his eyes corrupted, and that it's not even worth trying to go up? And if they were somehow able to get their hands on and kill the man who attempts to release and lead them up, wouldn't they kill him? "The prisoners, ignorant of the world behind them, would see the freed man with his corrupted eyes and be afraid of anything but what they already know.

To summarize, reality is merely experiences that shape perception. To say anything is real would contradict another person’s reality for no two people experience the exact same thing in the exact same way. From this the conclusion can be drawn that even if people were to find ultimate reality, they would destroy it because it goes against what they already believe because we become accustomed to our life that we are unable to ascertain fact from fiction.

Separate from that is a postmodern look on life. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead by Tom Stoppard is a book I highly recommend. One particular section stood out to me after about a month of analyzing the text. It was a story about a man who spotted a unicorn one day while walking through a forest. Shocked by what he saw he immediately ran to tell others of his discovery. In a small group, others looked on in amazement as the creature stood before them. As the group grew however, the story changed till by the end of it, one man says "look, a horse with an arrow through its head. Someone must have mistaken it for a deer".

The story is presented to highlight society’s inability to understand anything mystical in large groups. Humans rationalize until they discard it as anything but truth, or until they discover a suitable explanation. Everything around us is just an illusion created by ourselves in order to understand the world we live in.

This leads us to the origins of though itself. The mind.

"I think therefore I am" - Rene Descartes

If anyone doesn't know, the movie inception was created off of his philosophy about dreams. He explains that right now could be a dream, but that doesn't matter because we are alive in some world to have it, whether it is this one or not. The moment we stop questioning the world we live in, however, is the moment we die, whether in the dream you live in or the world you come from. We cannot be accepting of the things presented before us. We must question with the intent of learning something. This of course comes with the acceptance of multiple realities that we traverse on a regular basis.

Friedrich Nietzsche takes this a step further by arguing there is a reality/dream that stands superior to all others. Our sanctuary, if you will. Point being, it is perfect in every way. We enjoy it so much at take it to be real, like we do with all other dreams, but we can never stay in it forever. We are thrust back into a harsh reality/dream yet we continuously crave to return to our area of perfection. This either makes us stronger for overcoming temptation, or insane for succumbing to our desires. This is the origin of passion, envy, lust, and greed.

We are called to balance passion and reason so that we find the balancing point between the two and continue on in serenity knowing that to lean to one side favorably would cause us to disrupt our equilibrium and begin to destroy us until we correct it.

Lastly, the topic of experiences. I believe there is no such thing as a bad experience because all experiences erode us until we become a pure substance. My best memories are filled with happiness and sorrow because both helped me become who I am today. Continuous growth that enables us to grow stronger and weaker depending on how we react.

If you made it this far I applaud your curiosity and hope you comment. Please and thank you.

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>>169 Admittedly I quite enjoyed what you brought before us in your contribution. But my question is if what we see may be an illusion we except as a reality then doesn't that mean we would disregard a reality for illusion? How could we know how we would react if nothing is curtain, something could happen to you minuets from discovering this true reality, shattering your reality in every way and opening you up to new ideas causing you to be more likely to except a new and different reality. How could we ever know or be certain of anything if this is true. In my opinion a humans reality is the easiest way for them, perhaps this true reality is the easiest, perhaps an illusion brought on by the true reality, or maybe something else entirely. Humans are simple yet complex creatures; they are an oxymoron, always contradicting their selves. In the life we live nothing is absolute, from my experience, no matter how small it may be, that is as close as we could ever get to an exact reality. I understand that this is an oxymoron in itself but in my opinion that is what makes it perfect for humans.

I'm not sure that this was what you were looking for when you asked for a comment but I suppose it cannot be helped.

It depends entirely on what the world around you believes. Personally, I don't see myself being able to comprehend everything enough to give a concrete opinion.

There are some theories running around saying that the underpinning of the universe is not three dimensional energy or matter and it is not four dimensional time. Instead it is two dimensional information and the only reason we perceive anything in three dimensions is as a consequence of the universe.

>>173 A reply is a reply. I have been away for a while, so if this is actually read I will certainly be surprised. That is what i was getting at. There are two possibilities constantly present; one that is real, and one that is an illusion. Certainly there are those who will feel the way you do, and that is not denied by the perception I put forward. it encourages it even. The point of our existence is to question everything, plain and simple. Any statement will have controversy. I don't care what it is. Even if to most it doesn't seem as though it could be possible, there are always contrasting beliefs. with that said, the conflict enlightens us on who we are and what we believe. I shapes our understanding to the point that we pick up a sense of identity. We internalize it to the point that it becomes real to us, even if it not real at all.

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i cant explain these theories but i believe that everyone lives his/her reality and fiction.

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In a way, isn't reality a form of fantasy itself

I myself sometimes wonder if this a reality i just made up to make muself feel better but then i rmembered, life is shit and im just a shadoow, so if i made this reality up in my head itts not to make myself feel better

>>179 Good point my friend. The struggle often lies with in fact how does one define reality? Everyone will have a different answer, and if you ask me that is the reality we can/should understand. Everyone has something different to say about anything. We can have a general agreement on certain things, yes...but, no two minds will ever have the exact same thoughts or ideas. We say reality because we have created that word among all the others in order to give us our own understanding or perception of the fact that we enjoy to ask the questions like what or why because as far as we know, humans are the only beings capable of such thought.

Think for a moment where you are. Take in everything around you. Stop...look at your desk...your hands, keyboard everything that makes up what you know at that moment. A keyboard only becomes a keyboard because someone at some point decided to put two blatantly understood words together to form what we use. For all we know, had history played out as such a keyboard could've been known as a cat. Or vice versa. Nothing defines anything unless we say it does.

In addition, every one is brilliant. Everyone is beautiful. Because of one simple thing. You all agree you have a reality. But we all define it differently. :D Misuto, thank you for the awesome post.

But it still depends on how you define reality. How can we be sure that our dreams are fantasy? Our dreams could very much be the reality, a reality we can, in some ways, bend to our own will

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Some people don't believe their other things out their,I know its silly and even lame to others but thats ok

>>181 / 182 >> I totally agree :D

So, reality is what every single person experiences to be real... Even illusions might be real at this point of view... not ? ; )

>>192 lol you never know what really or not till you see it ... I wonder... mhh I bet lots Of peoples see thing's thay the can't ex-plane I know i have ... lots oh times....

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well, in 1D world, there's a point. In 2D world, there's 2 paper, in 1, there's a circle, and in another, there's a square. The point think it's the only one in the world, but the square and the circle not, they are made from many points connected together. But the circle and the square can't meet, since they're on different papers. But they say, there's a creature that rule over their world. It can jump from the world to another world easily, it can make another 2D creature, it can make a new world, or destroy an old world easily, it can appear and disappear as it wants. The creature is us, 3D creature. We can draw or erase, we can tear a paper, and else. Then in 3D creature, how it is? Is there any other creature that can do that all? 4D? What's the 4th dimension?

>>195 Actually, a point has no dimension. A line, the first dimension, can be thought of as two points being connected together; a square, the second, can be thought of as two lines connected together; and a cube, the third, can be thought of as two squares connected together.

Also, beings just don't exist in one or two dimensions. In fact, most scientists accept the theory that all massive objects exist in at least five dimensions (the fourth being time, and the fifth probability), even if they can only be observed to move freely in two or three.

And.. three-dimensional creatures don't rule the world in the way that you mean. A flower, while three-dimensional, has absolutely no ability to create or destroy entire worlds, to travel to different worlds, or to appear and disappear at will. In fact, the most intelligent (comparatively >.>) creatures known to exist, humans, can't do any of the things you listed, except for creating new things—and even those must come from the parts of old things.

Your post was kind of difficult to decipher though, so I may have completely misinterpreted what you meant ^-^;

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Well, my perceptions are that people accept the reality with which they are presented. I used to worry about things like "what if it's all a dream?" "what if im actually in a coma or have gone insane" The conclusion I have come to is that if those things are true then then let it be so. Maybe this is all a figment of your imagination or mine but what it really boils down to is this. I feel and I think therefore I am and must be (to some degree atleast). Take solace in the fact that you do exist somehow in some shape form or fashion.

>>196 Was wondering what you meant by probability for a minute there, but it makes sense. If you consider the fourth dimension to be a line of time, and each point on it to represent a point in 3D space, then 5D would be the plane containing a 3D point outside the 4D line, and the entirety of the 4D line itself - an offshoot from the timeline, due to alternate routes or possibilities.

It ties back into the Imagining the Tenth Dimension string theory thing I linked somewhere far up in this thread.

I made a helpful graphic for anyone who hasn't seen the video in question, for clarification. It's largely pointless.

>>200 Actually, it has two rays on it, and therefore has an infinite number of points ;P

In relations to our fantasies, reality is normally a letdown. Scientifically, reality is an interesting subject that needs much perusal in order to discover the schematics of the universe. Philosophically, reality is what we exist in, and is the ingredients to what fundamentally makes us tick.

But in my opinion, reality is just what it is: reality. It where we exist, it's the environment around us, it's the life that we live and it's, well, what makes us tick. But that doesn't mean that I like reality any more for it...

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Our English teacher attempted to teach us about Plato's cave, but she failed miserably. At any rate, I thank you for presenting it to me in a manner that makes everything so much more coherent.

Now, as basically as I can, I believe reality to be the basic way that the subconscious ans conscious mind work together, never strictly one or the other. To say that one controls the other is generally foolish, since one cannot by any means alter their subconscious perceptions by any simple conscious command, or vice versa, we are held to our own personal realities by the same means that balances our sanity.

That being said, I've always been curious as to how one's perception related to the flow of time. For instance, I know how long a minute is, I can count it out, but I imagine that my personal conception of time may be different from others. I'm guessing this doesn't make much sense, so think of it like this:

Could it be possible for person A to experience a minute in what person B would experience in a second? Assuming that person B's thinking speed is adjusted in the same sense to compensate, neither would be aware that the flow of time caused any difference between them.

I belive every story every thought turns into another reality,b ut it's only a theory' but if it was true then that would mean all the stories we come up with like all the animes we watch become another universe. Just like how there is a dimention for every action we take and we could have taken, imagine the drastic changes that there might be in the other universe, you or I could even be dead in one or have never even been born. In one the holocost might never had happened while in another the Nazies might have won the war.... just imagine all the possibilities.

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for all you know the world is a figment of your imagination. It as impossible to prove that it is isn't.

This is a very interesting discussion, but there no definite answer of what reality and existence is. This is why Socrates said, " I am the wisest of all the Greeks, for I alone know that I know nothing." All we have to go on is our senses and logic and those things the same source. The brain. The brain is where all the information that comes from outside the human body (and inside the human body too). The brain is core of our own consciousnesses without it we would not be able to know that we exist our be able to set up complex goals. However the source of the brain only reflects the information that is given off by an object. This is where the simulacra which has four levels.(1) basic reflection of reality, (2) perversion of reality; (3) pretense of reality (where there is no model); and (4) simulacrum, which “bears no relation to any reality whatsoever. What the brain does is just simply give us the closest reflection of our reality. Then if there are any judgements in the mind (fire burn = fire bad) this would fall under the second order of the simulacra. and the other two orders can be easily explained but I feel like I am digressing. So it is my belief that we are experiences reflections of reality and so forth. But since it we cannot prove that the world as we know it is real or a twist perversion of reality we can only assume things in this game that we call life. But as long as I am stuck in this game I intend to enjoy by following the laws of nature that I observe (ie law of gravity and such. though it would be difficult not to). I believe that is all we can do really; we can either make this experience we call life a palace or a prison.

as for alternative realities and multiple dimension theory I believe in those too because of the new theory called The M theory and there is the string theory that supports these. I don't have a major in physics, but I understand although I just can explain the theories. ( I'm not really good at explaining things).

A lot of anime is fucking awesome because it can cover these kind of questions and give a different perspectives that many of people never considered.

>>220 Something that is generally absent in American animation, I agree. We tend to concentrate more heavily on social satire than scientific and philosophical introspection. Both are honorable in their own rights, but one without the other makes things rather dull.

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I think its hard to actually say what is real. I mean most of what you perceive is corrupted either by your senses or faulty storage in the brain. And the more you think about these things the more corrupted the memories get. This is kind of scary once you get into the notion that you are a product of your memories; but your memories are false. So who are we really?

I dont think it matters what is "real" or "not real" the experiences that we have are ours the fact that we have the memories of those experiences makes them real to us. Who cares if its "real" or not its real to us and thats all that matters.

I think fantasy can turn into reality, however there are boundaries to those fantasies,my perception on reality is a bit shaky because I daydream quite often and it clouds my thoughts of reality, however its because of my fantasy that I can laugh so easily a my faults, knowing I can escape to a world all my own any time I please,more often without me knowing. In short Im ditzy and love to wander off into a dream I wish or "think" is reality.

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The idea of reality is a highly overated concept. Realy, the only thing that we use to precive this "reality" is our mind, and that has proven to be an unrelieable source. So what reality is, well, what our reality is, is nothing more than our mind preceveing what it assumes to be light bounceing off objects, which realy, is so complex while at the same time primative. For instance, in our reality, half the stars we see at night have died out years ago, yet they are clearly active as to what we see. And all of this information is controlled through the brain. This could very well "not realy exist" by the standards of society today, this all could be a dream to youa and you wouldn't know it, and this thread just some deep part of your subcounsious at work building your "reality". Now as for alternate realities, well that I think is entirely true, not just on a brain scale but on dimensional as well. A long time ago, I started a small study (I realy should further this study) of Precognitive dreaming *dreaming of the future*, and had multiple subjects, includeing myself have dreams of the "future". Well I theorized loosely that this wasn't looking into the future at all but rather other realities, usualy when the subject died.
SubjectA: Had dream that he was in a car with friends and driver was distracted and did not notice the railroad tracks were malfunctioning, all individuals in dream includeing subject died on impact of a train. Two days later the individual had the exact same experience except, recalled dream and brought driver's attention to road to which he saw the train and stoped in time before impact.
SubjectB: Dream of walking down the street with girlfriend, didn't pay attention while crossing and were hit by a car. Subject died in dream along with partner.
Reacurance of dream allowed the subject to act quickly and stop himself and partner from crossing. Sure enough a roag car spead through the crossing just as they were about to cross. Note the subject did recall wearing a different shirt in the dream.
So in conclusion, I don't know how this happens, I just know it does. So I think there are an infinite number of realities with INFINITE outcomes includeing the species of the planet it'self or even if there is life on this planet. (sorry if this was confuseing it's 12:47 and I need sleep, goodnight)

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There is a scientific theory known as the "Holographic Principle" which states that the universe, along with everything we percieve from matter to energy to empty space, is really a projection of information which is stored on a two-dimensional surface. Ties in with the "String Theory" and "M-theory". This video explains a small part of it.

A person's perception is up to them and there surroundings but it can also be changed by the views of others so what i'm trying to say is that it's hard to define it.

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I have given the thought of reality to a rather odd perspective. (If that made any sense to anyone) I don't know if anyone else has thought about it like this, but what if what you look at and "see" as "green," someone else looks at and "sees" it as "yellow." Or your "English" is someone else's "Korean."

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Colors are particular light frequencies. We perceive them through cells in our retinas. Unless anomalies are present (ex: color blindness) the way color is perceived should be the same in everybody, because it's the same biology and the same chemistry. The blue that the cells in my retinas are sending to my brain should be the same as yours.

And like color names are just color names, language names are just names too. Language is defined by a number of symbols (words, signs in sign language etc) and rules by which they are combined. A set forms a language and each language is unique. So even if somebody who's never heard of English before hears it, what he's hearing is English regardless of whether he's familiar with it or not or whether he knows what it's called.

I can't see how it could happen given our common biology, mechanisms of perception etc. (And apparently it's been brought up before >>140).

>>254 We may have common biology but that doesn't mean we all perceive things the same way. For example, there are people who see scents, hear colors, and taste sounds. And their bodies are made up of the same stuff yours is.

>>255 That is synesthesia. It's a sensation where cross-association between senses through conditioning or otherwise makes people associate particular scents with sights, colors with sounds, sounds with taste, etc. The most common is when one smells food, they can taste it.

The only case where sights could literally be perceived differently on an objective level would be if your vision was impaired. I hate to be a wet blanket about that, but it is a literal physical impossibility.

Of course, I also don't think that's what you meant, and you might have gone on to defend the wrong part of your original point. Words are words, and labels are nearly meaningless. One could certainly be raised to think that the color green is the color yellow - by what they identify as yellow, they would be correct, but the only thing saying they're wrong is the rest of the world that knows its label as green.

To be as true as possible, there is no right or wrong - only what is perceived as right and wrong. So you're right about that! However, for the sake of mutual understanding, we use common labels and language anyway.

Technically speaking, this is not an alternate perception of reality, for they are viewing it in exactly the same physical way as you are. It is an alternate labeling of reality.

Unless they suffer from any number of colour blindness related conditions, in which case, they would perceive colours differently from others. :l

Reality is but an illusion.

It's possible that our reality isn't actually real, hard to explain but the Matrix film pretty much sums it up. The whole of humanity may have gone too far with wars and the constant need for power, and due to endangering ourselves, our trusty robot companions decided we must be saved, from ourselves!

Actually, considering the fact that once a person dies, the brain releases a chemical similar to hallucinogenic drugs, these can cause a range of effects, such as "Seeing a bright light", it's possible this is a 'dream-like' reality.

On a related note, it is said when you die you relive your entire life as your brain slowly decays and dies completely, we may be currently re-living our past life, so all this may have once been real but is no more.

I used to think that I was the only real human in this world. Everybody else was just my imagination or robots. That this world was created specifically for me. Everybody who I imagine or is a robot are people like me but on different planets. Like, my friend is just a robot but the real one is on a different planet and we're friends on that planet.

I also used to think that what I see, feel, taste, hear and smell is just my brains way of perceiving reality. Maybe I'm the only person who sees things this way. I'm typing in English, but to another person, they're reading it in a completely different language. For example: This pencil is long, hexagonal from one perspective and has a black tip for the lead. But for somebody else, it could be like... a ball, powder, square, shaped like a shoe, etc... I don't know, I'm weird.

I've been reading a few things on Boltzmann Brains and now I'm kind of creeped out.

A Boltzmann Brain is a hypothetical sentient human brain that comes into existence due to a random fluctuation in a state of chaos.

The whole idea comes from a try to explain how the universe came into existence in regards to how entropy works. Entropy in a system is supposed to only go one way, and that's from low to high. Orderly things naturally become disorderly, everything tends towards uniformity. But the universe seems to have gone from a state of disorder to the state of high order we can observe today. It's contradictory.

So there's the theory that from a state of chaos and high entropy the universe could have come simply into existence through a random fluctuation. It's extremely improbable but not impossible.

But the probability for something as complex as the universe to pop into existence is much lower than say a single part of it appearing. A single part like a fully formed human brain not accompanied by any of the universe, but still carrying human memories. So we could all be just Boltzmann Brains.

Or not. It's just hypothetical and not many people believe it to be very plausible. It's still kind of interesting.

It has been reported that some victims of torture, during the act, would retreat into a fantasy world from
which they could not WAKE UP. In this catatonic state, the victim lived in a world just like their normal one,
except they weren't being tortured. The only way that they realized they needed to WAKE UP was a note
they found in their fantasy world. It would tell them about their condition, and tell them to WAKE UP. Even
then, it would often take months until they were ready to discard their fantasy world and PLEASE WAKE
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i think there si a endless posibility of realitys... but if we were to go there there would come to be no good...

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There are tried and tested concepts that we hold true.. such as gravity. If you jump out of a window you're not going to float into space. That's pretty much what I think of as REALity. We know this to be REAL. When we start talking about sensory perception is when things start differing and becoming interesting. What two people see standing in the same place and light aren't necissarily going to be the same.. and since sensory perception pretty much creates our individual /perceptions/ of what reality is to us.. it's really hard to say what is and isn't real. I think that's why we in society use majority populations perceptions as a standard for the rest of the population...
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Reality is confusing, there are many ways people can look at it. I see it as a lab for us humans, something greater is testing us, trying to find a purpose for us. Waiting to see what we are capable of, perhaps they created us, and are waiting to see how well we work, if we do ok they let us be, or if we dont, they might just scrap us and start over. Thats just my thought.

It is what it is.

>>29 , I totally agree with this
I also believe that reality completely depends on a persons view. for anyone who reads manga or watches anime (which I presume would be quite a few of us) you might have or not have ever thought this. In this world, that story is just that, a story in our universe. Like Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Bleach, and others. But what if in their worlds, our world was just a story to them. I also believe in the concepts of multiple universes. A single choice can completely change the course of a universe, or completely split it into two other lines. Anyone ever watched Steins;Gate? Those who have should understand what I am talking about now. Okabe/Okarin discovers these possibilities through sending messages back in time, thus changing his decisions in those moments which would then change his future. You never know how much a single decision will change your life, even after you make it because you will never know what could have happened to you if you made a different choice. Like, if you're an otaku, could you imagine how your life would have turned out if you never discovered anime? What would you in another universe where that happened be doing right now?

Sometimes I think that everyone around me is an AI and I'm the only real human in the world.

I read something recently that basically said that every time you recall a memory, you are in fact completely reconstructing that memory, your brain does not just access old memory's as you would think it does, but completely rebuilds them from scratch every time you access them. This gets me thinking about what reality is to me. Is my memory of 2 seconds ago the same as what it was in my reality? Or has it changed ?

I hope any of this makes some kind of sense haha

I Feel like I have somewhat of a god complex when I'm dreaming. I developed completely lucid dreaming and now control my dreams as though I am making them myself. This gets me thinking that if go created a world out of his science and own imagination, am I godlike constructing my own realities within my dreams? I thought it was just a cool way to look at it.

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My idiot of an acquaintance once showed me a video that explained how he got the best parking space in the lot.

In the video, a number of people dressed up looking like professionals claim that our desire actually is felt by others, and that they yield to our wishes if we wish it hard enough. And that it's "scientifically proven" or something. And there were some psychologist-or-doctor people saying it's a "phenomenal discovery".

How the hell does that work? Is reality really that simple? All we have to do is chant, "Let me get the parking space under the tree." enough and we'll get the spot just like that?

No, I don't think wishing enough will get you a good parking spot. It's probably a mixture of coincidence and wishful thinking.

>>287 Yeah, I figured. It's funny how they had a whole one-hour episode on it though. Funnier how I watched the full video despite not believing a word of it.

But I'm pretty sure the inner self's confidence would affect how others react to us, and the consequences that come with it.

>>284 how does one develop lucid dreaming?

>>289 It develops in people who tend to have more thoughts per second I hear, but I don't quite know for sure. I didn't even realize I had it until a friend mentioned it, and my doctor explained it. I didn't think anything of it before I knew about it and apparently most people who develop it never notice either.

>>284 I also have very lucid dreaming. I can understand what you are saying....I can see, touch, smell, feel, and taste in my dreams....it is very strange...but such dreams led my to become a writer, and most writers have a God-complex. Actually I believe most anyone with a creative brain has the ability to have a god-complex. I heard a theory once that everything we ever thought of exists...that there are literally countless different worlds interconnected....and that those who have realistic dreams, those who can create something out of nothing, or even those heavy daydreamers are somehow connected to these different worlds. It is a very interesting concept...

>>289 One does not *develop* lucid dreaming, but rather induce it. Lie down on the bed in the most comfortable position, in a quiet room. Close your eyes and calm your breathing. Around half an hour later, your brain will be fooled into sleep mode, but still has consciousness so you can control the elements of your dream.

The hawks have a much better vision than humans. The dog's nose is the same, much more better. Same goes to the human mind, wich is limited and easy to decive, as our five senses. We have limited perception of reality...
Even if we right now are decived, we couldn't notice that we are, and wich is reality or illusion.

>>292 You are actually right, people don't develop lucid dreaming unless medication is taken, but people born with an increased amount of activity in the parietal lobes in their brain tend to have it. There are strategies to make yourself enter the rem state while still being active in those lobes through what you said and similar things like meditation. It's not exactly the same though.

Reality is not as simple a touching or seeing something, tiss a complex and unexplored state of being. One could say when you discover reality you discover yourself.

Reality is what you make it.

>>295 agreed. What may be reality to me may not be reality to another person. There are basics like our 5 senses but what about beyond those? Just because we can't see/hear/touch/smell/taste something doesn't mean it's not there. And what if those aren't correct? What I call purple may look like another person's green but I have grown up calling it purple(kind of confusing. sorry for my lack in explanation skills). I feel that people may have their own realities that share common similarities and may be completely different in some ways.

>>294 I thank your enlightment. Currently learning about dreams and sleeping in Psychology, it is useful side information I can apply. So yeah, once again, thanks!

Reality is subjective. There is no truth. It is different for everyone and is not something tangible. Reality is what you see in your own eyes, not what others see.Reality is something that goes beyond the surface, beyond what our 5 senses reveal.

>>298 If reality is beyond the senses it is objective not subjective. I typed and deleted so much here. I will just say this. Read a book, take a class, or at least use google. Also look up the definition of cognitive dissonance.

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Reality is what we percieve to be real, or how our brains process information gathered from our senses. There is no saying whether someone is "in reality" or not, because theyre in their own reality. At least, thats what i think.

once you stop perceiving reality it ceases to exist for that individual.

ive always wandered about that. Like the few senses we have is one way of seeing the universe. The universe could be different to what we see but hearing, seeing, feeling,tasting, and smelling is the only way our brains could understand it.

Or like in the Hindu religion, we all experience different realities. And true enlightenment is in the ultimate reality; the understanding of them all (like being all knowing).

Or like in Buddhism suffering is reality.

People do have more than five senses, such as the ability to sense changes in temperature, changes in movement, perceptions of bodily orientation, perception of how much time has passed, etc.

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...also, this reCAPTCHA wasn't always here and it just asked me to verify which images have pies and I read it as pees... think about that moment and how believing that these images didn't have what I was looking for, pees, when I should be looking for pies and how that misunderstanding, just for a second, cause an existential crisis and doubt in the perceived existence of being.

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Mine will be short because I think someone else has probably said something similar, but reality is what you make it, its a construct by the human mind to cope with things, its all within our own minds.

I don't know if it's been said but I believe that stuff about every time you're faced with multiple choices, alternate dimensions are created from those decisions. Ex: which cereal brand will I eat today kind of thing.

reality cannot be proven as long as people do not have a set unanimous idea on what reality is such as how everyone here has a different perception on reality which seems to beg the question does reality even exist

>>312 I would argue that no, reality doesn't exist, there is a "real" world out there that most perceive as reality but as I said in my reply, reality is a construct of the human mind, we humans made it so that we could begin to try to fit things into tightly defined boxes and when things don't fit, they're viewed as wrong.

What is real? How do you define 'real'? If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, what you can taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain. -Morpheus (Matrix)

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>>314 that's exactly what real is, real is a different interpretation for everyone, its what your brain perceives it as, if your brain doesn't perceive it that same way it does other things then your brain concludes that it isn't real

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If there is a way to exit and enter the current "reality" we think we're in then I'm pretty sure this thing isn't reality. It's the dimension beyond this one, not even adding the fact that these might not be the only realities, and every single thing that we imagine is projected in a parallel dimension, a different reality, to which we might be casted after we leave this one. Though this is just one of my visions and one of the possibilities. Thank you for your attention.

Reality is what it is. It's not as open to interpretation as a lot of people want to say. How do I prove this? Easy, reality does not bend to your will.
You can't get food just by opening your mouth and wishing for it.

This is something to think about when ur fucked up af.

Here's something to think about: Can you prove that everyone around you is not a robot that is programmed to respond to certain stimuli in a specific way and thus achieve the illusion of a personality when in truth it is actually AI?

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My thoughts on peoples reality. Everyone has a different sense of reality from somebody else, and some people create false realities. Might not make much sense but oh well.

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Nothing really matters. We are as insignificant as any other ball of dirt floating in space. People spend so much time asking why we're here, what's the point, what's the best way to live. A deer in the woods doesn't ask these questions. It just lives. When people stop worrying about trivial matters, we can start improving the quality of life for everyone.

Perhaps all that we hear or see is not what we think? Separation is but an illusion and time is something that holds us back. What is simply asked of us is to live and so we do so. But what is holding us all back from peaceful lives? Most likely the seven deadly sins. Greed, pride, lust, gluttony, sloth, and envy. Or perhaps it's something different? Humans desire power and wisdom, but it's mostly filled with conflict and naivety.
Some merely are corrupted over foolish and small things. I see reality as an undesired thing, for it's full of hate.

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Related discussion question: who here believes there are more dimensions beyond what we can see / the one we are living in?

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Everything is just being simulated right in front of us and we're just turning a blind eye.

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This thread being revived means there is more reason to bump it. As hard as it is to admit, this is a horrible, pitiful excuse for a reality. That being said, it still is one. Even self-proclaimed reality SHIFTers are bound to this reality until their death at the earliest. There has been talk of "Red Pill" vs. "Blue pill." The truth is stranger than either. One way of explaining the true nature of reality is the idea of transcendent existence. That all people, good, evil, law-abiding, and criminal are all a part of the same organism. Hate crimes weaken this being by killing of vital parts it needs to function. In this way it is indeed better that not all people are born into equal upbringing, but are born equally under the highest law: Love. As different organs are needed to survive, so diversity is needed to survive. A being made only of kidneys cannot survive. A world made only of Straight White Men loses it's greatest artists, philosophers, magicians, musicians, and of course all women. Thus society dies. The collective human subconscious in this case is the organism, and society is its manifestation within a 12 dimensional construct called a universe. All variations are guided by quantum waveforms to the most likely outcome of a probability equation. The only time this becomes a problem when there are two equally likely outcomes at any given point in time, but that can be explained by M-theory and how it views time and alternate realities. What I'm trying to say is that existence, whether real or not, is not the issue. The issue is how to simultaneously live as a part of society and be free. In truth, it can be done. Love more than you hate. Or rather let love be the chaos that destroys the law of hate, and you will be a part of both worlds. You will be both a protagonist and a background character in your own narrative.
Destroy the Fascist ideal of Hate with the Progressive ideal of Love and you will always be both a Hero and a Rebel.

For this reason the Nazis and their sympathizers must be shown the power of Love, no matter how truly vile they are. We must show them that our Love can conquer their hatred.
With that, Caio Bella Caio!

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The Prophet of Southern Illinois

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I believe that the mind creates the universe not the other way around. Just like how a plant or animal wouldn't understand the concept of the universe but live anyways. Humans is capable of thinking thus, all of these theories and such. The universe itself is just a theory to be honest, even though "facts" can be seen. We interpret what we see by our own opinions anyway. That is why, I think its all in the mind and only that.

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Are we mind with a body or a body with a mind?

Your perceptions of fiction and nonfiction sounds like an interesting power but to lame and wasted for this timeline.

work on something more to every ones interest not to yours...I literally barf at the sound of creativity wasted on, a site of people who don't care.

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Courtesy of Goldengrim from IRC

Suppose that timeline is singular, consisting of one list containing a chain of events that must occur in an orderly fashion. Each events also requires certain conditions that must be met in order for it to happen and for this, there's a system conveniently set in place that regularly checks the space that inhabits the timeline to match the list of events and its specific requirements.

Goldengrim proposed that when a paranormal activity happened, that is a sign of time travel. To be exact, he specified the paranormal activity as objects that moved on their own. The list and each event's requirements shouldn't mismatch what's happening in the space.

So if an event caused an object to move into certain position, the next event that involves that particular object must have the requirement of it being assigned to the position that the previous event has assigned it to.

But lets say, someone time traveled into that time frame and moved the object from the position that first event has assigned it to. The next event requires that object to be in that position, only to find the object wasn't there. The system that regularly checks and matches the time and space noticed this and execute a 'manual override' by defying the laws of physics, moved that object back to its required position so that the requirements of the next event can be met and executed.

Again, this all is not my thoughts. I merely reposted what Goldengrim had proposed during a conversation of ours on IRC.

>>346 Adding my comments to his idea, it resembles game cutscenes by a lot.

You can also imply that the list wasn't a complete set of events that we mankind has deemed to be very important stepping stones in the human history, at least when you think about how time travel becomes real according to this concept and are allowed to freely interact and even change the space of the time frame they're visiting. Which means that time travel itself wasn't scripted by the list, it is the result of human tampering itself.

Throw the grandfather paradox and all sorts of our known time-altering-bending theories into this concept and it will all be chaos.

But all that aside, this concept could mean that the universe ultimately doesn't care what humanity does. It only cared about itself and its chain of events we've deemed insignificant, though we can't be sure of that since we will never know what events are on their list and how impactful would the event affect the rest of mankind.

Going off topic, man I really like the flexibility of this thread, I should use it more often.

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There's that video from exurb1a titled "Upsilon Dies Backwards" which tells one big story in bits from a monologue of a dying galaxy, a human taken as hostage by a sentient AI of a spaceship that wanders through space, a switching monologue of two person falling in love with each other but is to shy to ask each other to go out, and a pelican trying to rob some horse's bar.

I'd want to expand on this later on. Just throwing this out to know whether anyone has watch it or not.

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I've seen a lot of "belief" and the like in this thread. I think believing in concepts relating to something as hard to understand or prove as reality and perception can't not be arbitrary. Most people I've talked to about this believe things that make them feel better or conform to their other beliefs in some way.
Not that there is something wrong with that, but when you think hard about it: how do you choose what to believe? Considering that question, I bet most belief is either arbitrary or practical. Especially when it comes to "reality".
Sometimes I can't help but feel like sight, sound, all of perception are like pixels on some screen. Just a signal coming through and a little bulb lighting up, a reaction to some input, some other signal. "Reality" is an electrical signal to me, especially when I'm at my lowest.

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>>353 Aye, welcome! To the Introduction board you go aight?

>>352 Is that... a coping mechanism?

Not that there's anything wrong with it, I suppose choosing to believe that nothing matters in the end could give some sense of comfort in a world where there are win/lose conditions.

>>355 Lol, maybe.

I have no problem saying all the fun "reality is what you make of it" and "anything's possible" type of stuff, but when it comes down to it and I really think: aren't people just mechanisms? The reality we perceive is just a lot of chemical signals taken out of context, no?

What's the difference between a rock rolling down a hill and our everyday cognitive function? When you boil it down, not much. It is just completing its exchange of energy, potential to kinetic to stop.

Sorry if that got a bit off-topic. Not trying to be edgy, I believe there's more meaning to a person living than a rock rolling down a hill, (at least I hope so) seeing as how I am a person. XD

>>356 Wait, what if the meaning is equivalent? Rather than acting as if a rock rolling down a hill has no meaning, (meaning when I compare it with a person, the person has equally no meaning) what if we say it has just as much meaning? That's a different way to look at it. If you have trouble seeing why people are meaningful due to that, find out why the rock rolling down the hill is meaningful. Because it is, because we are.

Reality is tricky. I've been trying to figure this thing out since I came to understand how things work. Sometimes when I'm alone and just thinking I can't help but to question if any of this is real or are we just living a dream, or how would i see myself in the point of view of other people like I see them in mine.

Lately I've been thinking that life might just be a property of matter, like magnetism or radioactivity. Everything has to follow the rules of physics, so living things and life have too. Maybe every choice that we take is not really a choice, but just matter that behaves following its properties, just like when two magnets attract each other.

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