I don't know much about this stuff, but I have no idea on weather this should be a right or not based off the first amendment and stuff.

Freedom and privacy arn't privileges they are rights and they should be protected

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freedom is the right of all sentient beings-Optimus Prime

I agree with Rieg

>>3 I agree with Optimus Prime.

In the U.S. the right to privacy is constitutional, therefore any suspension of this right is illegal.

There are, however, instances in which it can be legally suspended, but usually only in a national crisis. Example: American Civil War, World War II. Even then, it was only suspended for groups that were considered more likely to commit treason/sedition.

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And yes, I agree that freedom of privacy is a right all humans should have. Would the fucking soldiers want me peeking into their showers when they showerin' or stalking them in their bathroom when they taking a number 2 or number 3. Exactly. Shouldn't take out rights, son.

bump because what the hell man.

>>11 This.

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>>10 If you were with us at basic, then you'd be seeing a lot of naked guys. No privacy at basic.

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Based on the first amendment? Stay the tuck out of my life. Based on basic human rights? Stay the tuck out of my life.

pardon my laghug but hell no it should not be a privleg it needs to be law privecy is what keeps secrets that need to stay just that

SECRET

I agree it needs to be a law still not some privelage. Although there are some secrets that need to be shared like a serial killers secrets where he hid the body or why he did it. Other than that it needs to stay a law.

Rights, or privileges, whatever, doesn't mean the Government won't just not look into your life. They can and have always had the skill to just look at what you're doing, no matter if the law was meant to prevent them from doing so.

>>18 oh fuck you why are you back here. BEGONE FILTH!

The U.S. government is allowed to tap any phone in sake of terrorism, due to the patriot act. But we can't delve into what they're hiding without penalty. Words are flagged when used over the phone, like bomb for instance, and anyone that uses it is monitored for that discussion. So the government found a loophole for the invasion of ones privacy.

>>20 This.

I'm pretty sure that the overall right to privacy IS a privilege. Freedom too. Fuck up and you lose it.

>>19 that is true but the fact that the goverment and many others think that privacy just dosent ageist

>>21 shut up i have as much right to be here as you and nothing more

>>23 statist scum

>>26 Fuck off, I didn't mean it like that. I was speaking more in terms of pedophiles and rapists and generally fucked up people. They have no right to complain about their lack of privacy or freedom.

>>27 people like pedophiles are sick and need help, not to have basic human rights taken away from them. The whole point of democracy is equal rights, or else who is going to decide what groups deserve rights? You think rapists, others might think gays, others may think mentally handicapped people, do you have that much faith in a bias government?

If there is one thing history has taught us it's to never give the leaders too much power. Letting your government control who gets the rights of privacy and freedom precisely fucking breaks that rule.

>>27 I will agree with you and say that they indeed have surrendered their rights.

That is not the issue with freedom of privacy. The issue is whether it's all that wise to take away everyone else's freedom of privacy to deal with the bad people. Furthermore, what about the use of false accusations to stifle freedom of speech? The pirate bay is blocked in a lot of countries because of the use of CP as a scapegoat to block them. This also applies to DMCA takedowns on youtube, as the use of alleged law-breaking has somehow become enough evidence for the current system.

In the US, (theoretically, though ignored disturbingly often)the fourth (constitutional)ammendment says that everyone has the right to protection from unreasonable searches and seizure. The fifth is protection from forced self-incrimination. and the protection of due process.

Without these ammendments, who's to say that a protest leader couldn't just be branded a pedo because the government does not like them?

So, yes they are bad, but privacy is too important to give up over a small group of wrongdoers.

>>27 that is true and i agree but i think that the acused is inosent untel proven gelty so as to privent any false punishment and forter more many rongdoers and scum get off free of charge

my own openen below
like that zimermen trile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiBt-pqp0E
I'm not saying it's right , I'm just saying its true

>>28 This.