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Should Vaccines Be Required for Children to Attend Public School? (13)

1 Name: Henry Clay43 : 2015-02-23 17:22 ID:0rrHnbPK [Del]

For my English class, we had to choose a debatable topic and give a presentation on it. So, I chose the topic 'Whether or not kids should have to get vaccines to go to public school.'

I know that some people think that vaccines are harmful, for they do contain ingredients like mercury and MSG, and that they cause autism.

Other claim that the dosages that the ingredients are given in are not harmful, and that they do not cause autism. And, that the use of vaccines have eliminated diseases like Small pox, so why should people stop using them now?

I would really appreciate it if you guys could share your opinions and some facts about this topic. Thank you very much!

(Note that the arguments that I listed are not the only ones that are used. Those are just examples that I researched.)

2 Name: Smithy : 2015-02-23 17:32 ID:LmlgnNeL [Del]

This is a tough one to answer. For one, I'd like to say that this "I know that some people think that vaccines are harmful, for they do contain ingredients like mercury and MSG, and that they cause autism." is pretty BS. Vaccines don't cause autism. There's enough studies out there to prove that it doesn't. Also, what you said about vaccines containing mercury? Probably not that true. Vaccines are made from inactive and dead cells of viruses, so that the body can adjust to the virus so they don't get sick. Also, even if vaccines do contain mercury, it's true that there isn't enough of it to cause harm. There's probably more mercury in fish than vaccines.

Truly though, the only chemicals in vaccines are used to stabilize the dead cells of the virus. Overall, vaccines are beneficial to humans. There's no reason why people shouldn't get them.

Sources:
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/Index.html
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

3 Name: Henry Clay43 : 2015-02-23 17:38 ID:0rrHnbPK [Del]

Awesome! Thank you for the help! :D

4 Name: Leigha Moscove !9tSeSkSEz2 : 2015-02-23 17:43 ID:+57tUXM0 [Del]

Doctors are actually starting to deny treatment to unvaccinated children.

The Disney land incident was traced to one child who could have been vaccinated but wasn't.

92% of people need to be vaccinated for heard immunity to work. We've dropped below that. We're at 80 something I think.

A lot of children and people depend on heard immunity because their immune system is too weak to handle the vaccine. And some ate too young to get it.

If my child wasn't vaccinated because he couldn't be and he got sick from someone who could is sue their ass.or their parents for reckless endangerment.

If you want sources I'll add them when I get home and on my computer

5 Name: Kip : 2015-02-23 17:48 ID:kYIfYwFY [Del]

Only one study has ever been published that discusses vaccines causing autism. However, this study was largely incorrect and fabricated much of its data, and was proven to be wrong by multiple other scientists shortly after.

There are only three foreseeable negatives of viruses:
1. Sometimes the weakened virus used varies too much and is not effective, hence this year's flu shot in the US.
2. Sometimes it can cause people to get sick. This is rare, and only occurs with an extremely weak immune system, but it is very possible.
3. Over time, it is making our immune systems weaker, as our bodies begin to rely more and more on vaccines, instead of naturally fighting off pathogens like our bodies are programmed to do.

Also, Smithy said that the only chemicals used are to stabilize the cells of the virus. He is right, but viruses are also stabilized within vaccines through heating, and sometimes they are weak enough that they do not need to be stabilized.

However, there are no proven downsides for an average person to get a shot. That is all myth with no evidence to back it up as of yet.

Hope this helps!

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7 Name: Litairtak Speruff!NRf7wfm3Qk : 2015-02-23 18:56 ID:ttqmIqOr [Del]

A short overview on the safety of vaccines from the biggest Western database for scientific medical studies, PubMed:

"Some people worry that vaccines are not safe and may be harmful, especially for children. They may ask their health care provider to wait or even choose not to have the vaccine. But the benefits of vaccines far outweigh their risks.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the Institute of Medicine all conclude that the benefits of vaccines outweigh their risks.

Vaccines, such as the measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, and nasal spray flu vaccines contain live but weakened viruses:
- Unless a person's immune system is weakened, it is unlikely that a vaccine will give the person the infection. Persons with weakened immune systems should not receive these live vaccines.
- These live vaccines may be dangerous to the fetus of a pregnant woman. To avoid harm to the baby, pregnant women should not receive any of these vaccines. The health care provider can tell you the right time to get these vaccines.

Thimerosal is a preservative that was found in most vaccines in the past. But now:
- Only one third of flu shots still have thimerosal.
- NO other vaccines commonly used for children or adults contain thimerosal.

Research done over many years has NOT shown any link between thimerosal and autism, or other medical problems.
Allergic reactions are rare and are usually to some part (component) of the vaccine."
- taken from Vaccines (immunizations) - overview

If you check the article's sources, you'll see that this info is backed up by various sound medical studies. Only after becoming a medical student I have come to understand how important vaccines are and what it means for people not to get the right immunisations at an early age.

1) If 95% or more of the general population is immunised through vaccination, even the remaining 5% and less (children, pregnant women and elderly) are protected from infections by the vaccinations for the germs go extinct due to the lack of possible hosts. This is called heard immunity and thanks to this mechanism, we were able to eradicate great endemic infectious diseases like smallpox which had plagued humanity for thousands of years.

2) People in industrial nations have become so well-protected from most severe infections (due to the increasing success of vaccinations, good hygiene and effective medication during the past 200 years) that they underestimate both the danger of serious infections and the danger of not being exposed to harmless forms of many infections. It may sound confusing, but let me elaborate:
Vaccinations do not only protect people from great infectious diseases (see above), they may even contribute to the correct development of a person's immune system. The human body has to contract and overcome infections in order teach its immune system how to function. If it doesn't learn to discern harmful germs from harmless ones because it didn't come into sufficient contact with various kinds of germs, the immune system may become prone to auto-immune diseases and allergies, as various studies indicate.
Nowadays, infections have become rare in comparison to the past 1800+ years, and the immune system often doesn't get enough infections to be able to practice and mature in the right way. Therefore, harmless forms of germs like the ones they use for vaccines are a good and comparatively safe way to help strengthening and developing a child's inexperienced immune system.

3) As for the vaccines' own allergene-sensitising potential, only a small number of people react in an allergic way to certain components in some vaccines, and only an even smaller number suffers severe implications. In comparison to those few, a serious infection does not only burden its original host with grave, long-lasting or letal health defects, which they may or may not overcome with strenuous therapy, but it also endanger those dear to them.
Example: The dangerous herpes zoster disease can only break out in people who have been infected by the chicken pox or varicella zoster virus before as it develops from the varicella virus which stays in a formerly infected's body for their whole life. In contrast to the seemingly harmless chicken pox, the herpes-zoster rash is very painful and long-lasting (from 1 month to chronic). It's affliated with certain spinal nerves which may lead to large-scale, striped eczema. When it heals it often leaves scars in the whole area. By being vaccinated against chicken pox, one can prevent developing herpes zoster completely.

I hope I could provide you with a different perspective.

8 Name: Yuurei !l6b21W13yM : 2015-02-23 19:33 ID:cw8CY+9C [Del]

hm.... tough one. This is more of an argument over whether health or education is more important.

9 Name: Setton : 2015-02-23 19:57 ID:d+Gba4xQ [Del]

Well if you dont want to be seriously sick and stuff of course it should be required. Vaccines can save your life

10 Name: Mem : 2015-03-28 20:24 ID:xkanDxnX [Del]

Yeah, they should definitely be required for school. Unless, of course, there are genuine medical reasons why your child can't be vaccinated. But as other people have said, the fact that some people can't be vaccinated is all the more reason why the rest of us should be vaccinated.

11 Name: ssvfti15017 : 2015-03-28 22:28 ID:D+oEGuYK [Del]

It should be required not just in school but in the entire world...

As an old saying says"prevention is better cure"

12 Name: Rieg !ZW5PizsNSw : 2015-03-28 22:28 ID:Yu1dmyxF [Del]

Yes, vaccinations should definitely be mandatory to attend public school. The only exception should be if the student has a severe allergy or medical condition making it impossible for them to be safely vaccinated.

13 Name: HeartbeatKnight : 2015-03-28 23:39 ID:xMnj2ks0 [Del]

Eww what a horrible evil terrible malevolent thing to do. No gross.