Do you think that real life at's are possible? I believe that the blades themselves wouldn't be hard to make (just modify aggressive blades). My concern is the ability to make technology small enough to produce enough power while staying small enough to not become a nuisance.

I was thinking the same thing like if we could insert and use nano technology in our bodies to shoot electricity or repeal metal object's or make our bodies light up or ect.I have so many ideas but i can't make them into a reality...

Well everything starts off with ideas. I'm pretty sure that if it was presented to apple in a reasonable and convincing way then they would be able to make a small enough motor. They have the resources and if it's funded, i wouldn't mind going in anytime that i can to help in any way that i could. I pretty much have a general idea of how they work. All i would need are blueprints, a computer, and time to myself, but that would all be meaningless if there isn't anyone backing it up.

Let me just say, I wan't At's as much as anyone else, but even if they were created, the laws and restrictions on them would be enormous because of how dangerous they are and they most likely would be nowhere near as badass as in air gear.

Yeah true.And if it were created,it probably be sold to the military as a wepon for war...

lls. why would you say that? anything in the xgames is dangerous. Half of the people that compete probably broke more bones combined than the number of times we have blinked in our lives. plus, i think it would be kind of funny watching soldiers shoot at each other while on AT's

But if you guys seriously want to do this then we should do it. If you want to just let me know and we can proceed from there.

Really!? I'm in!!!

yeah ATs would so work. its fine with me. it enhances the ability to ride smoother than you would skates. and it depends on speed. so i think ATs are a great idea. it just need its rights.

Sweet! ok. so to start off we would need to make the technological part. That's displayed on the air gear show how it's made. we just need to find out what's possible and what needs to be modified to realistic possibilities. To do that we need to get a firm understanding on technology and draw up some blueprints.

No problem I'm good at developing and making blueprints.

could you guys really try an make AT's come to life?
electric motor and all!?
i want to see this...srsly!

I'm sorry, but whats an AT? Sounds interesting, but I have no idea what it is.

From googling Air Gear AT, I think they're some sort of super-sonic roller skate.

However, before the electric motors are even an issue, its impossible.

Wheels that small simply couldn't hold up to speeds past 30mph. Heat, friction, and vibration would destroy them.
Even if some magical material was created that generates no negative heat or friction, the vibrations to the human skeleton would cause fractures in the legs.

Sorry guys.

1. The heat could possibly be negated by having a cooling system generated by the wind created by the speed.
2. People ride in car going over 200mph. Not to say that we will make anything that fast, the problem will just be creating a cushion system. Just like how they say that theoretically the average track runner would fracture the bones in their legs by the amount of force put into their run if it weren't for the cushion in their shoes and they way their legs developed.
3. If you have anything else please let us know because these are good things to think about before hand. Thank you :)

>>15 It would have to be liquid cooled, like an internal combustion engine, which, due to the size, would be almost impossible.

Cars have rubber tires, suspension in the tires, the undercarriage, and the seats. By the time it reaches the person, its reduced.
Roll a Hot Wheels car over pavement, or roll downhill in roller skates. It's pretty rough, huh?
Your legs wouldn't snap off as soon as you move (Unless you fell really weird), but there would be stress fractures.
And no Doctor Schoells would be able to absorb it.
By the time adequate suspension was added, you'd pretty much have a small motorcycle on each foot, which brings the question: Why not ride a motorbike?

>>16 lol. That wouldn't be as fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc6jCGHj6Nc.That's a ink to the worlds smallest v12 engine. At the rate technology is moving that will be even smaller within 2-4 years. I wouldn't even assume that we would need something with that much horsepower, but i can't make assumptions yet. And to me that is more of a conscern than the "will the legs be able to handle the speed" wuestion right now. I say this because i know my arms feel like jello using a weed whacker. and plus professional inline skaters have been recorded at going at 30mph on skates using the terrain and their own muscles to get to that speed. the hing is that because aggressive skates are heavier its harder to get to those speeds. Since your on skates you already have an instinct to push so all the motors will be there for is a slight boost on your already present physical abilities, not something that goes faster or slower on just how fast the person wants it to go (like with the push of a button). So i kind of feel like more stress would be generated by the motor than the speed since (with safety designs) you wouldn't be able to go that fast without having the skill or the strength.

ohh and thanks for teaching me how to do the >># thing. lol. never knew you could do that. kinda jst took a guess by the way you set yours up :)

oh and put a password on your account so i can know that it's you. you actually have constructive criticism and i don't want someone to come in and say stupid things that would give me a negative opinion of this currently positive one that i have of you for your help so far.

>>16 (>>17 continued) OHH! what if we have the motor in a sealed of area surrounded by suspensions on 2 or more pairs of opposite sides. that way it can vibrate without transferring to much energy to the user.

Val0....
Are you under the influence of a controlled substance?
Your thoughts were all over the place...

lol, no. i just learned that there is always more than one way to solve a problem. Due to that i always try to find out the one that works the best for me in the given situation. So when i am faced with a problem i'll probably think of 5-10 different ways to solve it, but when typing it's harder to portray these things in an understandable format. my bad if i confused you. but what are your thoughts on some of the ideas that i posted?

The short version without all the engineering student mumbo jumbo?

Powerizers are the only way you could absorb the vibrations and G's from turning.
But on that note, normal Powerizers are WAY more bad ass and versatile.

Well, not the only way, but it's definitely the best and cheapest.

lol. thanks, but you can use the engineering definitions. I'm still in High School, but i've taken multiple engineering classes, so i can understand the basic stuff and put 2+2 together for the harder things. Im trying to double major in E.E. and C.S. so i understand the possibilities for pretty much anything, but the current limits that we have due to technology as it currently is.
and when you say powerizer are you speaking of the battery or the stilt thingies?

The stilts.

lls. true but i had something more like this in mind, but inside the boot, not the wheels

What is that?

lls. that's the michelin active wheel. it's "two electric motors housed within the wheel, one for traction and braking and the other for electric active suspension control, the system has revolutionary potential - no more engine under the hood, no more traditional suspension system, and no more gearbox or transmission as all the essential components have been integrated into the wheel itself." it's only used in electric cars though.

If it were to be inside the boot, the boot would need superb insulation, plus the liquid cooling mechanism talked about earlier. Plus the boot would be enormous, not to mention the heat.

Get Powerizers and go running.

It'd be more fun too since you can jump MOTHERFUCKING NINE FEET OFF THE GROUND.

This fella made some motorized blades, but they only go about 10-12 miles an hour.
http://www.etotheipiplusone.net/?p=804

-_-well first of all that dude is retarded because the type of boots that he used aren't even safe for something like that. he should've used used something like a valo boot. http://thumb.egloos.net/460x0/http://pds23.egloos.com/pds/201204/26/14/b0064814_4f99352fc02d2.jpg but other than that i like his determination to making motorized blades. they just have to be safer about what they do. lol. and when i used retarded i meant in his knowledge about aggressive blades. (but i'm just partial to valo since i own a pair).

>>33 Motorcross boots.

Would you say get a pair of Valo boots or aim for some USD Carbons?
That guy is very determined to motorizing things that shouldn't be motorized.

Lls. Either one. It doesnt matter as long as its not regular skates. But hey you havta respect his enthusiasm to it.

>>36
Fair enough. It's a shame he has since considered the project "completed" and has moved onto what appears to be little go carts.
We need more ideas for tiny electric motors.

>>37
That's true. And it's going to be especially hard to make one that increases speed based off of the users ability and not just desired speed. If it goes by ability then desired speed can be obtained through practice (like any other sport), but if it can just be changed with a push of a button (or something similar) then it becomes dangerous because some people might bite off more than they can chew.

>>38
That may be harder to achieve than the actual creation of the ATs as it is. We can put a motor and pressure pads on things, but how do you give it the same user handicaps that something else would.

I've seen some guys working on that.. They already completed the look of them.. But they had no motors xD

>>40
pfft, I don't care if they LOOK like A.T., What I want is functionality.

>>40
lol. i'm sorry buy RK is kind of right. we can worry about how they look after we get a pair to work. If you want cool LOOKING skates that can do the same things as A.T.'s without the motor then you could just get pretty much any pair of aggressive skates. The only thing that differentiate A.T.'s from reg skates are that they have motors
>>39
The skates can have v1 type motors that gain speed based off of pre-applied pressure and don't gain more speed until more pressure is applied. This type off pressure can only be attained through a push. That way they'll gain speed like any other pair of skates, they just give you more output for the power input (power as in terms of physics).

>>42
That sounds plausible. That could possibly work, if you could microsize something enough to cram in some skates. If you could somehow convince the gov. that they were safe it would plusgood.
I assume there would be some way to get them to recognize that they need to shut off, probably through an alternate kind of pressure.

wow..this is very focused an thought out,keep experirementing!

>>42 >>43 I don't think anything like that is going to be approved - at least, not in America. If they had some test where you could get a liscense for them, then maybe, but I doubt they would be widely available. They definitely would not be available for anyone under 18.

Does anybody remember the motor scooters (or still have one)? The ones that got recalled because of the number of kids who were seriously injured on them? I rode on one, and that bitch got some speed. However, if you weren't really good on a scooter with great balance, falling happened almost constantly.

Now, imagine falling sideways into chunky black pavement at 20MPH off a two wheeled chunk of metal. It hurts - bad. Sometimes kills if you fall/flip the wrong way. That's why they were made illegal, and a similar danger would exist with most real life AT designs.

The idea of AT's sounds interesting, but they would probably be reserved for official sporting arenas/events if they were actually made.

>>45 makes sense, but i don't mind if only pros could use them when they were first made. safety features and improvements can be made over time. the only difference between these and the motor scooters is that they gave output without any input (in terms of physical input such as a kick is needed to move a regular scooter). an example that i can give is a trampoline. You can't just stand on a trampoline and expect to go in the air , it just gives you more bounce from your jump. That's the same type of physics that i'm trying to apply here.

>>44 thank you :). I feel like as long as other people take this seriously then i should put my best foot forward to make this real one day. and i don't mind if anyone uses this information to make it real. As long as this can be made real then i don't even mind if i don't get credit (can't really speak for anyone else though) lol.

Anything which gives speed or power without real effort from the operator would be doubly dangerous than one which could only function on your own ability. Creating those limitations would certainly be a challenge though. And yes, the scooters (though cool as hell, I happen to own one) are a good example of how dangerous it can be.

ok, give me some time to think about it and i'll come report in about a weeks time. right now it's 6/22/2012 where i am. and midnight hits in 6 min. so i'll repost some time around the 29th if not sooner. thanks for all the help you guys p.s. i'm not thinking about how to make the a.t. right now as much as what we would use as the power source while keeping it safe for people to use.

Alrighty lol. I can support commitment to an idea.
Anyway to make them safer would be great. If it sounds dangerous in concept, it will be hard to prove wrong through demonstration. Granted most things sound dangerous, but I think you know what I mean.

I know this is a little early, but what if we make it so that the auxiliary motor can't start until there's an input speed of 5 mph? that way the motor won't turn on while your putting the skates on. And there could be an on/off switch so that the blades can also perform like regular skates if you just want to maintain a slower speed. Maybe even an auto off switch that cuts the motor of after a certain speed so that after a certain point it would perform like regular skates so you can only go faster if you have the physical ability.

Oh and we can also use some safety features that the author thought of because some of this was actually really thought out. like having it so that the skate break if the suspension pushes in a certain direction on the back wheel. then it's like an inside break version of the inline skate design (instead of having to stop by dragging the back of the rubber from the skate against the floor (inline skates) or having to go on your tippy toes to rub the rubber against the floor (Quad roller skates)).

I'm fairly certain that trying to break by dragging your toes across the floor would be hazardous to your health. I did like the main idea behind acceleration and braking, but the more complicated it gets the harder it will be to fit everything into the skate. Of course that could be why AT's were designed so huge.

lls. i was just using the quad roller skate as an example. i never really liked those, but some people actually liked them, so i was thinking that maybe we could have the system reversed for them so that the brakes applied would come from the front wheel instead of the back. everything's going to have to come from inside the skates though.

It might be worth noting that any brakes at all, if not done properly, will send the wearer flying to an asphalt filled injury.

lls. yes. i did think about that. i was hoping to make it something like how when you pull the brakes with your hands on the bike. that you you can adjust the intensity of the brake for your current situation. instead of having to use your hands though, it should be the amount of pressure you use.

Very careful application of a break pad of some form. Just had the amusing image of getting sparks off the pad. Doubtful, but fun to imagine.

lls. unless we have the safest object in the world i think that if the break pad produced sparks it'd get shot down IMMEDIATELY.

LOL no doubt about that at all.
Reminds me of those plates you can put on a scooter break that make it spark up.

lls. that's exacty what came to my mind. plus those mess up the sidewalk. but now that i think about it. who do you think would sponsor something like this?

I toy company with a great creative vision? lol

At's? Like Absolute Terror field form NGE? That would be sweet.

Lol. Air Treks. I like your creativity though.

>>61 lol. that;s be some toy company,
>>62 now if we could produce that type of technology, we wouldn't need a.t.'s lol.
and sorry i haven't been on recently. between my summer job and swimming i haven't had much time to get on. shall we continue with this discussion?

I actually have made my own pair of AT's. They only go to like 50 though. I used a pair of converse, skates, and a few wheels slightly bigger then skate wheels. I had to make the motor from scratch though. The blades were another story. Lets just say I almost cut my hand off trying to make it right

65 pics or it didnt happen

It would be possible, but the problem would have to lie in the durability of the skates. It is possible ot put a small motor with wheels that could withstand such things. Look at the people who longboard and reach speeds of 60 mph down some hills. However putting a motor on it causes the skate to be more brittle and withstand a lot let. Overall I think it would be possible, just it would require more money to build than what it's worth.

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>67 it might be, but at the same time you never know. lots of people want to try it and i'm sure aggressive skaters would love it. But it would cost a lot to start it off. lots of time and effort. maybe someday we could do it. the technology is definitely getting close.

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Expensive stuff to make bro.

Pull back cars, i realise this may sound stupid but you were looking for a motor that only works with the skill and power of the user, so why not pull those little suckers out of the toy cars, rebuild them to withstand pressure and place them in the A.T.s so that they only work when the user works, of course some kind of suspension for the boot would be needed for this to work, otherwise the motors would be useless. lets say that when the user strides or lifts their foot after a stride they "fire off" and accelerate the spin of the wheels, when the users wheels touch the ground the wheels would be accelerated slightly faster than during the former stride. in order to reach a decent speed the user would still have to have some skill, breaks would still be a must but only if the speed surpasses normal speeds of the user. not sure any of this makes any sense at all, i'm no engineer or anything, just an idea, which you can all feel free to criticize.

brakes not breaks, but if this would work the cooling system would be almost completely done away with, but another problem that you would run in to with or without this would be noise reduction, shits going to be loud

its very possible, thay already made a slow retro ver. of it

Funnily enough I made a thread thats related to this a while back in tech area.

link - http://dollars-bbs.org/tech/res/1326215682.html

BBC news tach link to save time
Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16484371

First off, I'm trying to develop some. Not looking too hot. I blew up my best try already, so I'm back to square uno.

But if someone else made some, I would love them.

If you really intended on making ats real then the first thing to do is work on the shoes interior then the suspension the brakes

i really want those Air Treks... it's like you are flying in the air and you have the speed like a race car...

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is it possible that there are any electric engines small enough for this because if there are couldn't you use an electromagnetic generator that has the magnet directly linked to the wheels so that a person has to get enough speed before the engine will start? with this you don't have to worry about the engine starting while putting them on you, still have to have some skill to get to the start up speed, and you don't have to constantly recharge them or worry about them running out on you in the middle of a ride you could also make it to where once they reach a certain speed they cut off so people dont go faster that the suspension system can take.

>>83 Real ATs would likely use nanotube battery cells to power them, A little like what they are going to be doing with cell phone batteries, that would also go in hand with the electromagnetic generator.

http://news.ncsu.edu/releases/df-cntbatteries/

hmmm well >>52 posted a picture from the manga that raises the idea of using springs and air cushions to reduce the vibrations. also it shows an inside break where i guess a person would press down with their heels to break. sorry if this has been already said, i didn't quite understand all the mechanical talk.

>>85 do you mean that the electromagnetic generator is still in the ATs charging the batteries which power the engine or do you mean that someone could keep a portable electromagnetic generator to charge the batteries if they run out no matter where?

>>87 yes to both or and even carry 2 extra nanotube battery power packs would even work.

messed my name up on 87 but anyways while were on the idea of real life AT has anyone put any thought into the ball roller types?

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as >>84 said would we be able to hook up a electromagnetic generator to a set of gears made to increase the amount of spins from the first gear and make the first gear hooked up directly to the wheel so that we are transforming the mechanical energy from the wheel increasing the amount of spins it puts on the magnet directly increasing the amount of electricity sent to the engine making it reliant on the wearer, but then again even in air gear the AT's were reliant on getting a small amount of strength being placed in them from the wearer so it should work

I love this idea!

Can you define what an AT is, please? if you could, i will most likely be able to draft up a design or two about how it could be made

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>>93 ATs are basically engine powered roller blades that can get up to 70 miles per hour or so i do not think it was said what they can reach. they have air cushioning systems to help with impact absorption as well as shocks, they have breaks as well and are usually battery powered though i think we could use an electromagnetic generator to do that. AT also have it set up to where they start to move when you put pressure on the front of where your foot is and brake by putting pressure on the back. though we have been working on a system to where for safety reasons you need to get up to a certain speed before the engine starts. if anyone else has anything to add they can because i only really scratched with this explanation you can also go back through the entire thread or read the Air Gear manga the anime does not go over what they are as much.