You know this whole issue about God and wether he exists or not is really troublesome. I've been thinking about that lately but haven't reached a decision yet. Perhaps I will never reach one.
Sure something exists but I feel it is not God as we know him via religion. So what do you think Dollars?

Religion is an invention of humanity.

My personal opinion is that it doesn't really matter whether God exists. Every religion, for the most part, exercise similar principles of just being a good human being. Whether it's for God, Yhwh, Allah, Buddha, Brahman, or Satan (of LaVeyan Satanism), not being a complete asshole and doing some good in this world is what matters most.

hello

u believe in God? then you must be believe in me too, try to summon me, because God cannot be summoned, but i can, so i'm told

>>2you have a point there and >>3 why did you choose that name?? :)

>>4 eh? what do you mean by that?

u asked for a proof of God right? then here i go, i can be your God, lol

i mean, if u believe in God, u must be believe in Demon too, find a sacred book that tell how to summon demon, try it by yourself, it's easier than suicide just to find the truth about God

everyone says you can meet God if you're die, but with demon, you can summon it

if the demon do appear after you did a summon, then God is actually exist, as simple as that, the question is, will you take that chance to summon me?

tick-tock big boy, i've got some soul to collect

>>12 that's true, in fact, i created demon so i can kick adam and eve out of my beautiful garden

>>13 i know i know, because u didn't want to get your hand dirty, stupid old man

>>14 don't talk about your father like that!

>>15 you're no father because i don't have a freakin mother!

>>16 ooh you're gonna rot in hell

>>17 bite me!

It reeks of preadolescence here.


And a God can't exist if people don't believe in one.

And one person is making comedy routine to himself not knowing that other members can actually recognized you by your ID.

But >>4 got a point. Why can demons be summoned but Gods can't? Would that be a proof that God doesn't exist? Or is it just some of the religions diety are true and some are fake? Either way, if non of those Gods show up to me in person, I won't believe in them.

Anyone who thinks they have the answer is wrong. No one has the answer.

I like to think that Gods exists because we think they do.

>>20
One explanation is that much like how in early polytheistic religions, nearly everything in nature was explained away by some deity, humans just like to have an excuse for all those "evil" things in the world and cases like demonic possession can just be attributed to psychological disorder.

Interesting facts: "demon" comes from the Ancient Greek δαίμων (daimōn), denoting a spirit or divine power. The Greek term has no connotations of evil and in fact εὐδαιμονία (eudaimonia) means happiness. Plato uses it in his works to describe divine inspiration of Socrates. Christians adapted it to describe malevolent beings like the Devil. Occultists like Aleister Crowley often used demons as a psychological metaphor and some scholars believe that demonology in Judaism originated from a later form of Zoroastrian.

Basically, demons are just as manmade as gods.

God pr Gods exist for those who believe them.
If you decide that a rock is a God, then it is one.

>>25 Amen.

>>21 Isn't there a quote that goes along the lines of "It's not certain that nothing is certain". But yeah, I doubt anyone has the answer, someone could, but it looks really unlikely from what I've seen. It's hard to know how it all works though.

God is dead.

>>28
God isn't dead, he's alive

Life is only a bunch of chemical reactions occurring at the right place at the right time.

tbh it's not really that important.

Don't believe he exists but religion can still be good cause it drives some people to be a better person. As long as you don't use it to condem others.

>>32
So you're saying it's fine for someone's meaning in life to be false?

I'll bite. Most religion has texts re-written and opinion makes it in every time.

I personally believe in a God since everything in nature seems to be too perfect with the complexities in the universe.

But I take in a little from all religions. The last one was paganism. I just can't take one religion as being the true one. I think there is truth in all religion, but each one has been clouded over time.

Just think of religion as the manifestations and cummulations of people's wisdom, creativity, etc.

That said, there might even be some purpose behind a particular religion. For example, (no offense, ppl) some scholars thought that muslim was started to unify the ppl and motivate them to go to war.

On the other hand, some less widespread religions like Shinto that doesn't really have any particular universal sacred texts are thought to instill discipline (hence most of the moral teachings are passed from mouth to mouth)

>>1 Sure God exists :O

Go up to a river and see if a bridge will miraculously be made right before your eyes so you can cross. It doesn't? OH MY GAWWWWWWDD. There was no one there to create it, I think? But OBVIOUSLY there's a creator for all the other bridges riiiiight? duh.

>>36 This makes no sense. What are you trying to say?

>>37
Bridge engineers are apparently gods.

>>37 I think that was a really bad attempt at the cosmological argument.

I am my own god.

>>40
That's actually the philosophy satanism uses

>>41
What do satanists even believe?

>>42
LaVeyan Satanism involves believing that each and every individual is their own god. That personal god is a projection of their personality. For the most part, Satan is a metaphor rebelling against Abrahamic religions and their ideals.

The Nine Satanic Statements
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence.
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates.
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.
7. Satan represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development", has become the most vicious animal of all.
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification.
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years.

I still think Baphomet Rebels would make a better name than Satanism.

>>43
Wow. I actually believe every single one of those statements, even if not by a full extent for some but a general agreement for all. Though the 9th statement doesn't really apply to people. I don't really want to be a Satanist however and I heard they listen to black metal. Yuck.

>>45
Classic stereotypes.
Most of them are completely indiscernible from most ppl.

I mean, why not? its nice to believe someone out there is watching over us right?

>>47
Those are called voyeurs.

>>47 Is God some kind of stalker? Why won't he/she just show up in front and say "Hey, I'm watching you."

>>49
For the suspense maybe

>>49
Because if you knew that They were watching, you'd stop.

To use a logical argument, namely the ontological one, God does exist.

Find holes in the argument, please:

1) It is possible for a maximally great being to exist
2) It is better to exist then to not exist
C) God does exist

>>52 Well, premise one is certainly possible, but ultimately unprovable. Basically, we could only take your argument at face value, without objective proof of truthfulness of premise one.
Premise two is also an opinion. Granted, it's a very common opinion, but still ultimately just an opinion.
Don't get me wrong, the structure is nice here, it's a solid syllogistic arrangement. In terms of soundness of the argument, though, d say your premises leave something to be desired (objective proof, namely).
I believe the God question is ultimately a matter of faith, largely divorced of reason. This isn't a bad thing, necessarily, as your relationship with faith is ultimately an opinion, one that you hold with great intensity.
I personally believe in God, but not as a conscious entity. God is the name I give to all matter, energy and force in the universe (or rather, God IS the universe). This is my belief, one I don't intend on proving or seeking proof for, as it is based on faith.

I personally believe in the Big Bang theory, evolution (along with natural selection) and the many worlds theory along with the premise that there is no supreme stalker watching us.
However, it would be nice if haruhiism turned out to be correct.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=2-d4otHE-YI

>>54
I hope it's not correct

but secretly I hope it is too ( ◔ ʖ̯ ◔ ).

I loved the idea of a random girl being a God. TMOHS was one of my favourite fap materials.

On-topic, being a filipino, a race that has a large percentage of Christians, my rationale is constantly telling me that God cannot exist but being raised in the way that I was, always stopped me from resolving to stop being a believer fully. It feels like my beliefs on God are due to mild indirect brainwashing.

>>53

If God is the entire universe, then there is no God. To quote the Incredibles, "One day when I'm old and weak, and I've had my fun, I'll sell my inventions so that everyone can be super! And when everyone's super.. No one will be."

Dealing with the argument: It is better to exist than not to exist. Think of the greatest computer that one could possibly ever build. My crappy Chromebook (sitting unused on a shelf) is better than that great computer because it exists. For the maximally great being to be maximally great, it must exist by definition, and that means we have logically proven that God must exist.

I choose to believe in the strength of humans rather than gods. I don't care whether or not a god exists. If god does or does not exist makes no difference to me because I choose to believe in the strength of my fellow humans. Gods are said to be perfect, I don't want to believe in something flawless, I want to believe in something that is as flawed as I am, whether it be for better or worse. We all have to carve out our own paths using our spirit, passion, and strength as Human beings. Rather than pray to a god for strength, I look deep withing and find the strength that's hiding inside. That's what I choose to believe.

God can suck my cock.

>>61
Just saying , Respect others. What do you get out of it by saying shit like that other than actually hurting other people's feelings who do believe in god? Aren't we supposed to be like a family here? you can keep your opinion to yourself if you say stuff like that. I have no probs with whoever doesn't believe in god and I won't hurt their feelings. please be respectful and don't offend others with that crap

>>61 wow that was the most intelligent thing to add to this thread well done.

- sarcasm -

if you have nothing good to add to a thread don't bother and to necro to add this -_-

My understanding is that man creates the God as a concept in pursuit of meaning to life, & God creates man as man changes due to his understanding of religion.

Who even cares one way or another. You are going to be dead in 80 years at most anyways, you can waste it on your knees feeling guilty because of a book with fallacies or just do you. I am doing me.

I don't believe in religion. Religion is created by humans. (Not saying that (all) religion is bad though, each has something good to teach.)
Faith comes from within and you don't need religion to have faith. I'm an agnostic theist for the record, so I believe in a God, but not necessarily as described by scriptures and religions.

Also, exactly what >>34 said, took the words right out of my mouth.

It doesn't matter till you die.

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>>67 That's also very true. All we can do is speculate while we're alive, never knowing for sure. Only those who die have the privilege of knowing the truth.

Well, for me God isn't like a human figure, just like some religions think it is, and I don't even call it God. But my belief is that there is a major force, an energy, that is omnipresent and acts on all things in the universe. And I also believe that people can manipulate this energy with their minds. For exemple: if you are pessimist and think only about bad things, bad things will start happening to you, just like if you are optimistic and thing about good things, good things will start happening to you. Well, I guess this stuff is beyond our comprehension and for the moment we can't really understand.

Look. God is an omnipresent force that exists as the worlds creator. Even if you believe in the Big Bang, or something more atheistic, people know there is some kind of force that created the world. God is a being of knowledge and wisdom. He watches over this world. Of course, this is from a more religious standpoint, but still; God is the power that created this universe, and the many things in it. As he is a force, you can't see him; but if you look, you can see what he can do. Kind of like gravity; we can't see it, but we see what it does- we have faith in gravity and the force it has on this planet. Wind too, cannot be seen, but we see the tree branches sway, the grass get pushed down. We have faith in wind and its gale. Therefore, as God cannot be seen, but his powers can be noticed with enough time, he is like those other forces- the forces we have faith in. That is my input on this question.

God no, Gods however, possibly.
im just going to use the Steven Fry response really.

why celebrate a single god who has done bad, when we can celebrate the various gods who have done good and praise there work. while of course accepting the ones who do bad.

in biblical works, satan/lucifer has done no wrong, he fell from heaven and that was it. then he tortures those who do wrong, thats actually a good thing. but we are told that satan is bad? yet we should praise and worship the god who says that we should stone women for speaking in churches and if a women is raped then it is her own fault and should be stoned for having sex with another man?

in the greek pantheon, there is many different gods tied to death. each of them good and bad in there own regard.

in Hinduism various gods have control over each aspect of life, death and rebirth.

but apparently those religions are bad compared to our one great god who has created plagues and disease and contagions and viruses. we should worship the god who once tried to flood the world to purge it of humans. we should worship the god who did not intervene as his followers raped and pillaged in his name.

Why give my life to worship and accept such a god?

I have a lot of ideas swimming in my head about this subject.Let's say god is real then what?Have you read the bible?God said we should STONE people who don't agree with us.Gay people would be stoned as well.Girls under 12 would be sold to grown men.If you put god right in front of me I wouldn't choose to believe in him.What if he doesn't?Okay cool whatever.I like to think there is a higher being.The key word is like.Most people believe in religion because it's convenient.Who wouldn't want to believe in someone who cares and looks after them.For now Id like to say Im agnostic.

NO

I have no idea why you're all arguing about something that's somewhat pointless. In the end it's unlikely to swade anyone's mind so let's all just agree to disagree and move the fk on with our lives.

I hope sharing what I believe helps out.
I believe that God does exist.
I believe that he created the universe and everything in it.
If we really think about it, how was such a complex universe created out of sheer chance like the big bang. Everywhere you look there are signs of intelligent design of the world.

In regards to comment no. 73 :)
The old testament (which Momochi is referring to) was written for a different culture in a different time. Yes, punishment was more severe back then, however people were not stoned left and right. Again, in the culture the bible is focusing on in the particular passage Momochi mentioned, marrying girls at a young age was acceptable, even normal. The bible sets up rules to protect girls whose husbands no longer want them. Normally, they would have to become pmrostitudes after divorce, but the bible makes them slaves instead. Sometimes they were returned to their family.

Anyway.
If you are curious about God, why not read the bible?

>>76 Oh for fucks sake, shut up. I hate religious people like you. Shove your bible down your own throat.

>>76 Nashia, that's where the Bible is morally wrong and no God, even if he existed, can convince me it's right for a woman (or man) to be turned into a slave, or that she's property of her husband. Why would they have to become prostitutes after divorce? Common sense and moral values would show you that that's horribly wrong.

Also, I bet that a lot of people don't read the Bible exactly because of some of the things it teaches which are completely immoral and lack common sense. I tried reading it out of curiosity, and there are so many things I can't believe it preaches, and so I never finished it. That's why I don't believe in religion. Now a God, whatever it may be? Yes, I believe.

>>77 I don't agree with what Nashia said at all, but let's be chill dude, and let's attack with our common sense if we disagree with her, eh? She can be religious and preach for all she wants, we don't have to agree and we can simply ignore or dismiss her statement as wrong and leave it at that.

There's an interesting paradigm here.
The bible's supposed to teach morals (what's right and what's wrong), so the moral compass comes from the bible.
Then some people say some of the things in the bible are immoral.

In other words, people make up their own morals and don't give a shit about other sources of morals. Bible's as useful as a history book.

I'm buddhist. I believe in Buddha and Buddhism.
But I also believe that Christians' God and other gods of other religions are real.
They're exist and helping us as long as we have fate in them.

>>79
Implying history books aren't useful?

>>82
History books aren't used for marriage problems.

While we're on the topic of faith/God/religion, this might be relevant and interesting (also kinda fun): http://www.beliefnet.com/Entertainment/Quizzes/BeliefOMatic.aspx

That is, if you guys didn't already hear about that website and/or completed the quiz.

Apparently, I'm a Unitarian Universalist.

Ofcouse he exist. He made me.

>>84
ayyy shout-out to UUs everywhere lol

I think so, but people give religion such a bad rep.

God. What if someone like God exist? What you gain if such person exist. Is meaningless. God is a fictive person someone that person can rely on.(Weak people) He exist only in the mind of the people. Whatever im tired of hear about this God Why people still rely on this thing.And to think that some of wars happened because of this thing. HAHAHAHAH. Humans are very ridiculous.

>>86 It's funny that it describes my views pretty well actually, I was surprised, since I'd never heard of UU before. I almost completely agree with UU beliefs haha!

>>87 'Tis the sad truth.

You kids are weird just saying, and if you guys wanna know if he exist so bad call your friends over go buy a ouija board and record your investigation, but make sure do it outside far away from homes and bring salt with you like 5 bottles of salt to make a circle around you while playing and have paper, and 2 lighters, including a half bottle of gasoline to burn the shit if something goes south u know what i mean :) but remember to ask if God exist there are 96.5/100 chance these spirits dont mean good, also have at least 6 friends or more. :)

record using 2 phones or other devices and post on this thread called, The Supernatural Division.

I believe not in a God exactly, but in a limitless, never-ending energy. All matter is energy, energy is found practically anywhere and everywhere.In addition, energy always exists and can never be destroyed - sound familiar? By extension, all matter is of God, even what one would call bad. See, I more believe good and bad to be human ideas, not truthfully existing. My reasoning falls back to the uniqueness and individuality found in all of us - no two people are identical in thought or heart. We all have differing views of good and bad to some degree, sometimes even in drastic ways. We may call some people terrorists, others call them freedom fighters. We call some heroes, others see them more as invading demons. This list can go on and on. So, this "God" truthfully does not care about good or bad, rather it cares about the continuation of matter and life, it lives in all being and every deed. Sometimes, even in death and destruction, new life and possibilities are born.

But this is just my opinion on it, I don't have much fact or truth to back it up, just what I have observed in the world. Sorry if it seems a bit like rambling, poor habit of mine haha

Ehhh... /Kida why did you bump this? These types of discussions get bothersome the longer they stay up.

I don't see the discussion as being bothersome as long as people can keep the respect concerning other's opinions.

Which I guess almost never happens, so this could potentially become bothersome. :) Even so, being bothersome shouldn't prevent a topic from being discussed, in my opinion.

I believe in Valhalla. That's all I need to get by.

Honestly I think we are all aliens we just forgot our past because the theory of evolution appears to have some holes in it and so does God/gods.

As a Christian who was raised by Bible thumpers, left the faith and became an atheist for years before returning to Him after discovering He was real on my own; I say He does exist. He loves you and like a father it hurts Him to see you in self-destructive behavior, known as sin, and wants you to build a relationship with Him. But He will only reveal Himself to you if you are truly willing to test if He's real, everything He says He is, and are truly willing to change into something better and happier He wants you to be.