I keep on seeing people complain about people wearing band shirts without knowing what the band is and to me THAT IS F*CKING ASS STUPID!

Pardon my french...

To me you should buy whatever clothing you want for the DESIGN and not JUST for the band. I'm not bashing people who dislike people who do this but I hate the people who outright CRY that it's a shame to do.

They are blindingly supporting your band you know! Even though you buy the bands merch shirts b/c of the band whether b/c you like the band or want to support the band, the people who blindly buy the shirts b/c they like the design also support them as well even if they don't know it!

I think this is the same argument towards "fake geeks" or "fake nerd." Whenever someone wears a batman shirt and someone point out "what's your favorite comic from batman?" and they respond they haven't seen batman DOESN'T MEAN YOU BASH THEM! You can inform them to read it and make them more interested, but saying they aren't geeks/nerds is like saying "oh you only know this part of batman? WELL YOUR NOT A FAN!"

I had similar situation with "Asking Alexandria" t-shirts, I don't like the band's music but I love their t-shirt designs. But when I met a person who knew they band and ask about my shirt, she just felt appalled and didn't understand why I didn't like/didn't know them and was still wearing their shirt.

I CAN LIKE THE ART/BRAND, NOT THE BAND!!!

Let me give you a scenario,

Let's say you have a nirvana smiley face shirt, and removed the band's name from the shirt. You give it to someone who doesn't know the band but like's the shirts design.

If someone walks to them and ask if they know nirvana, you shouldn't be mad at them if they don't know or care. Because it's just a shirt someone lent them.
IT'S JUST A SHIRT!!!

And if a person who doesn't like those types of people who buy band shirts without knowing the band, try to defend how they should research the name of the band on the shirt.

I want you to buy a new shirt, a band shirt without knowing the band and tell me honestly if you are willing to research a bunch for a shirt you just want to wear on a lazy day?

It may be advertisement for what you like, but the whole point of T-shirts is that they are "statement" clothing. You don't just wear a T-shirt to wear a T-shirt. You kind of wear it with the notion that other people who like what you like will notice it or you want to spark a conversation with others about what's on your shirt.

I do get where you're coming from about people wearing what they want to wear, but I don't agree with it. Why would you wear something you know nothing about? I was hanging out with this girl a while back and she had a Grateful Dead shirt and I asked her if she'd ever heard one of their songs and she said "No, I just bought it because I thought it was cute." Sure, that's okay, but it's kind of pointless to waste your money not knowing what you're wearing/advertising. I would never ever buy a shirt without knowing at least a little or appreciating what I'm wearing. I recently bought a DC Comics shirt that has a bunch of characters I have no idea about on them mixed with characters I do know about, but see, I want to learn more about what I'm wearing. I'm not just like those people who buy it thinking it's cool, but don't know about it. That's stupid. I don't buy band shirts because I like the design. If that were true I'd probably have a few more band shirts solely based on design, but I don't. It's annoying. I have an Albert Einstein shirt, does that mean I know about Einstein's whole life story? No, but I'm curious and have a general understanding of what he's done and I have an admiration for him. What if someone had that same Einstein shirt just because they thought it was badass (which in fact, it's a very badass T-shirt). That just wouldn't do, because sure it may look aweseome, but you're basically telling the world, "hey, I don't like Einstein, but I wasted my money on something with his face on it, because I thought I would look cool" and T-shirts are not about looking cool.

if someone lends you something that's a totally different story though. I have a Walking Dead shirt, but I don't like the show. I don't wear it out, but I wear it to sleep. Do you get me? If someone wears the shirt out and someone asks them about it, like your nirvana situation, the person should explain the situation not say, "oh, i don't like nirvana." It just makes you look like a bad consumer and no one wants to be a bad consumer.


Oh and yes on your last "tell me honestly if you are willing to research a bunch for a shirt you just want to wear on a lazy day" yes I would.. Considering I never wear T-shirts on a lazy day, I would, because if someone randomly wants to start talking to me about what I'm wearing (which they do) then I want to be prepared to talk about it. I have a Star Wars shirt and I haven't watched Star Wars yet (and I will in the near future), but I know a lot about it because my uncle is obsessed with the franchise. I now have a Back to the Future T-shirt that my cousin gave me as a hand-me-down and I'm not wearing it until I watch it. So yeah, this stuff is actually pretty serious to some people.

Ok, also on your whole don't bash the people. We wouldn't bash someone who at least knows a bit about what they're wearing and if they don't know what they're wearing, you probably wouldn't get bashed either. You'd probably get made fun of afterwards or told that you ought to read/listen/watch whatever is on your shirt. =/

For your Asking Alexandria situation, well, I see your passionate about wearing whatever you want, but still you should reconsider buying "statement" clothing for the design, because it's not the design that counts, it's who the design is for. Wearing a shirt with Poison Ivy on it, because she's hot is cool, but knowing about Poison Ivy is even better don't you think. When you have a connection with your clothing, you feel even better in them. Just appreciating it for what you see on the outside is not everything. Do you get what I mean?

Than I would reply to the notion, if I saw you with a shirt with just a random design that wasn't band related and asked you if you knew the artist of that shirt, should I be saying that your stupid for just wearing that shirt just because you feel like it or just to be cool?

And also like I said in my prev. post, if people introduce them to what they are wearing, that completely fine! They might be interested if you just TOLD us what we were wearing instead of bashing us on the spot!

I would also reply if some just wears a design to just be cool, are they doing it for peoples attention or for them selves not to feel better but just cause?

Also, do we wear t-shirt just for a "statement?" Sure, people like activist and fans do that, but if someones just wearing a shirt just cause, does that really mean they HAVE to make a statement with their clothing to explain themselves all the time?

Also, do you then know all the artist who design your shirt? Unless most of people's shirts are blank, all the art of your shirt has to come from someone coming from a art student, so does that mean that people have to be interested/learn for EVERYONE of those shirt they wear then?

It's like what people with makeup need to explain with. We wear makeup because we think it's cool to us, not because of the certain makeup brand we wear nor if others think it's cool.

What's wrong with buying a shirt if you think it looks cool? Are we doing harm? Are we giving you a bad name in the community? Hell no! How are they harming the music industry?

THEY ARE JUST WEARING A SHIRT TO NOT BE NAKED!

Wear whatever you want! You band fans can wear your band shirt! You naive people can wear those band shirts!
Can't we all just accept each other IT'S JUST A SHIRT?!

Your arguments are so bad. I was actually seeing where you were coming from but you sound absolutely ridiculous. =(
Well if you must know, art is a very different thing but i'm quite sure most people who wear art-related t-shirts know the artist and if not you usually find who made it on the inside tag. For t-shirts like the ones you see little kids wearing that say random words well I'm sure you're buying it for the wits not the artist and even then that's a matter of how you want to represent the kid, but let me not get of topic. You skidoo mention how we don't know who created or t-shirts (and I'm assuming you mean band things) well, outs the franchise and if you did not know that then look inside your t-shirts and you'll find it somewhere. Trust me.

The make-up argument you make is really bad because a lot of girls do wear their make-up based on brand. There are tons of girls who only buy make-up from MAC or Sephora. Also make-up is used to impress others. Yes, i use it because i like it but it's like that's very student compared to clothes. For me, make-up is a matter of whether or not you understand what goes well with what you are wearing/skin type and tone not necessarily a "don't judge me for wearing it" kind of thing. I don't think I've ever meet a girl who doesn't have a general understanding of make-up who wears it, but like i says it's not comparable in this sense.

Also it's not making the franchise look bad by wearing it, it's making you the person look stupid for buying something you don't know about at all.

Again that's just bad consumerism right there. Sure anyone can wear it but it's not worth your money to wear it if you don't know it. Example: There are some cute Breakfast Club shirts but i hate that movie. Am i going to but it because i think it's cute? No. That is a complete waste of my money not to mention a waste of an outfit.

Now do you get me? Or do you need to make a few more bad arguments to help mine look better?

>>4 I'm sorry there are some typos (my phone sucks!). Ok so first off words not wits, also not skidoo (lol), our not or, different not student, and buy not but.

Did I say you need to know anything about it?

I'm saying that if you DON'T KNOW the band/artist of the shirt you should still buy it, I'm not saying you don't like what's associated with it you can/cannot buy it.

It almost feel like it's dangerous to buy a band shirt if you don't know or don't know enough of the band. Do we really need to be afraid of ridicule of buying a cool shirt?

People do what they want with their money, it's not part of your business or anyone for that matter. As long as they simulate the economy, they're fine. As long if they themselves like the shirt and wear it most of the time, it's good consumerism.

It's like if a kid buys a polly pocket set without knowing what polly pocket is. Do we ask the kid if they know anything about polly pocket? No, we let them buy it to try it because it's meant to be played with as a shirt is made to be worn. It's not about supporting polly pocket, it's about doing what the product does and others if they're interest can look into polly pocket or in this case the band if they choose it.

Is the child bad if they still don't want to learn more about polly pocket? No, they might be missing out but it doesn't mean their bad, they just want to play with the toy which it's design to do. Same thing with the shirt, people might just want to wear it because it's design to do so.

And saying my argument is bad is to me feels like I don't have a valid opinion which to me feels as if your does and I'm just some crazy person with a crazy an opinion when everyone including me and you are crazy in general.

I can't seem to make you see on my side even though you say "I know where your coming from." So we'll just end the argument here.

What's the point in arguing over a shirt or two crazy people?

It's just best we both just let this go and just have our own opinion. You have a valid opinion and I do to, best to end it here before things get crazy stupid with the both of us.

>>6 I appreciate that you can openly end the argument (also very sorry if you didn't want a reply, but I'm not here to argue anymore) and don't worry I really do see where you are coming from. A lot of people do it, the "buying shirts without knowing" thing. I guess it's like that kind of "there's two types of people in the world..." kind of thing.

I'm also not saying you don't have a valid opinion, I'm just saying you didn't give good arguments for it. That's all. Take it as advice. =/

But yes, I do understand. It's really just a matter of perspective at this point and I thank you very much for making this argument (because I love debates and well, this was fun).

fuck you