I'll try this again, but better.

Do any of the Dollars practice Witchcraft or any other form, branch, family, or sect of Magick?

I personally practice Hermetic Cermonial magick. Much of that practice involves the evoking of spirits physical and spiritual Alchemy. Neither of those are things I practice with emphasis.

If there is anyone who practices any of the Arts, please leave a message here and we can get in further contact to discuss things. We don't necessarily need to share anything. It's just nice to speak with like-minds.

If you're interested in the art of casting, I can lead you to some books to help get you started, but it's something you need to take the effort to learn and research yourself. You will not be spoon-fed information.

gosh..

*...the evoking of spirits AND physical and spiritual Alchemy.
My apologies..

Right here. I'm a wiccan

Hello, A.I.d.a?

ya lost him aries!

Can someone post a legit chant or mantra?

Not exactly my specialty. I work with spells and enchantments and earth magick. Anyone else??

in all honesty im actually anti magick and witchcraft becuase ive become more of a victim of it, as well as the family. Sooo our family is well known to be haunted by VARIOUS things. some are good, some are bad. But if you wanna know of a remedy against some form of this magick, holla at me aye.

nau maku sanmanda bazaradankan
nau maku sanmanda bazaradankan
rin pyou tou sha kai jin retsu zai zem

the nau maku bla is mantra
thw second one is shinto exorcism

i think

>>12 >>13 whata wha? i dun do exorcisms like that either lol

Sorry guys, I didn't realize so many people replied to this.
Aries, you didn't need to spam the thread with your pictures, but okay.

I'm glad to see there are a least a couple practitioners here.

>>11 I'm sorry you've had such negative experiences with Magick, but there are several things you can learn to remedy the negative effects of others intent, not all of them pure spellwork.

>>12 >>13 I'm not going to intone those words, but I'll take yours on it.

>>9 A mantra is only one piece of a successful mediation. To complete it, you need a mudra, which means motion, and a mandala, which is a meditative thought used to focus attention. Mantra means sound.

A particular meditation I use involves the mantra "So Hum" (the only Sanskrit mantra that doesn't need to be spoken).
As you breath in through your nose you say "So", envisioning pure white prana entering your body, and as you exhale through your mouth you say "Hum", envisioning dark stale prana leaving.
"So Hum" is the sound of breath, and while you perform this meditation, you are to sit in Asana while performing the Jana or Gyan mudras with both hands placed on your knees.
(http://www.yogicwayoflife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Jnana_mudra_gyan_mudra_yoga.jpg)

I'm willing to share a particularly useless, but powerful spell with you all that is difficult to find information on on the Internet (God love this digital age).

Sit in Asana and perform the Rin mudra.

As you hold the mudra, intone the mantra AUM VAJA MANATAYA SVAHA at half your normal breathing rate.

After a time of intoning the mantra (once you feel your mind is set) visualize a bright red orb of pure energy entering your body through the tip of your skull, and pull it all the way down to your root chakra at the base of your spine. When it reaches the bottom of your spinal chord and pranic tube, imagine it igniting a fire there, and each new breath in you take fans the flames, making them hotter.

This meditation is the first of nine cuts in a series of meditations known as Kuji-In and Kuji-Kiri.
This particular cut is used to awaken Kundallini energy at the base of your spine and force it upwards.
As a notice of caution, your body will increase in temperature while performing this meditation (properly), so clothe appropriate.

I messed up my password somehow.

Fixed I think.

meditation with thoh u should search it up. its about opening third eye. that should make your witch craft and magick interesting. but beware some people has had awful experiences after and while opening their third eye. awakening I is a bit iritating while Awakening II is pleasurable. thats what i heard.

>>16 Currently what we do is that if you seem to be affected, at night burn seven dry red chillies on an open fire until they turn to ashes. For an open fire we use the stove. If you were affected by something, there will be no chilli smell or sensation in the air meaning the remedy works and you were very much indeed affected by some forces. It's the opposite if the remedy doesnt work (meaning your eyes will begin to water and etc etc.). By the way this can also work against the Evil eye.

Sometimes during these ritual you might find odd stuff going on with it (such as a chilli going missing when you're not looking or even half of it) but all is good in the end of it. When half of it is gone, i do believe 'they' are up to more planning. But this is just from my own experience as sometimes ive found things that are cut in half very strangely, they really like to cut things....

>>20 first of all, there's so much wrong with this statement, I don't even known where to begin. You clearly known absolutely nothing about the chakras or their significance and use.
Whatever you're doing to yourself, stop now before you cause some serious permanent damage.

>21 It sounds like that's similar to forms of smudging that exist in various Shamanic and Witchcraft practices.
I have my own methods of preventing spiritual attack that don't require the use of spirits or other forms of casting. I use my own energy to get the job done.

A good book I recommend for those of you poor souls who think you're master mages, when in reality are just starting off on the Path.
Initiation into Hermetics is a book written by a famous magician named Franz Bardon, who lived during World War 2.
It leads you through the prerequisite steps needed to perform powerful, successful magick. This book highlights very important steps that are needed in practice that many other paths ignore or look down on.
The secrets shared in this book are information that used to only be available to initiates and high-orders who offered limited entrance into their walls.

I'm happy to try and teach some of you guys some things you may like, and that may help on your path to Truth, but the Great Work takes a lot of dedication and effort, and you must be willing to take what I give you and go running with it.

Btw, I meant to post this picture in my last post. This is the Rin Mudra.

By the way, the book I posted is not specific to *ANY* dogma or religion, and can be combined with your daily life no matter what your spiritual beliefs are.
It used language most anyone can understand, and is written to accommodate even the lazy mans life.
Even if you read it just for theory, this book is an indispensable piece of literature and spiritual pathwork.

lol I was unaware we have total nutcases on this site xD

heya Aida is it alright if I could email you please? I want to ask you some personal questions which I think maybe you wouldnt want to answer out in the open.

>>24 Adam, I swim in insanity. You have no idea what you've stepped into.

>>25 Unko, I would prefer to answer questions here, or in a new thread, or at a site of your choosing. I do not wish to share my personal email, and I don't want to create a throw away email for this single purpose.

This is a new age, so I'm sure the powers that be wouldn't mind if I answered some simple questions anonymously. It's not like I'll be sharing any special secrets that you can't learn elsewhere.

Go ahead and ask away, I'll do my best to answer what I know I'm capable of.

Depending on your activity, I'm willing to chat with you on IRC as well.
I'll be available for the next hour or two, if you happen to be around. Otherwise we'll need to message here or arrange another method of contact.

Just realised, it should be Ceremony in the title, with an extra e

>>28 You are correct. I've made a few typos, and it does upset me.

So the meditation have to performed in specific positions
Someone tell me the positions please, i'm someone who doesn't particularly know about the world of magic

The meditations I listed are to be performed in Asana.
http://blog.gaiam.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/BlissOut_PIC.jpg

The first meditation using the mantra "So Hum" Can be performed laying down as well, as long as you don't fall asleep, and remain straight with your body.

The Rin meditation can only be performed in asana.

Google can be your best friend, and I've made sure to use words that are easily searchable within the Internet.

AUM BHUR BHURVA SVAHA
TAT SAVITUR VARENYAM
BHARGO DEVASYA DHEEMAHI
DIYO YONAH PRACHDAYAT

>>26 >>27 ah thats okay it's understandable. I guess my first question is, what got you started on whitchcraft, magick and all? and also why do you continue to practice it?

I've been lead down this road my entire life, and it was inevitable that id end up here.
There came a point in my study of religion and philosophy that I learned there were certain universal truths that existed tthroughout all dogmas, that have been taught by most religions.
I continue this practice because I have a deep desire to understand God and Truth. There also is nothing else.

I see, i guess when you're embraced by it you take it up at some point. So is magick related to God? Also what do you get out of it? Sorry if these questions sound a bit rude, i just get very curious

I used to trying hard to be a sage, i even digging some infos about mantras, but witchcraft was too hard for me, so i be a satanic instead, every morning i do satanic chants in latin when i woke up

>>35 Put simply, "Magick" is the result Willed intent. Essentially, anything you do in Life that starts out as a thought is magick.
As taught by Kabbalah, "God is an imprecise word for the only thing that actually exists."

A little bit of what i get out of my practice is Happiness and peace of mind. Happiness is as much of a skill as carpentry, and it must be learned just the same.

>>36 I don't know if you're a troll or just dumb, but you really need to learn a few things..

Is it possible to summon a ball of water? If so, how? Please tell, I want to learn simple stuff

A ball of water? What?

If you want to begin magick, learn meditation and simply read the material I've mentioned in previous posts.

>>13 you watch too much Ghost Hunt

>>1 You're a Hermetic mage? What a coincidence, I was just about to do some research on the matter.

What are some misconceptions I'm bound to have about your practice given that my acquaintance with the esoteric is limited to Persona, a book on alchemy I read when I was like 12, and some vague knowledge passed down from the fact that I'm Jewish?

>>41 That's actually a really good question, that I'm going to have a hard time answering as well as you'd like.

First off, I haven't played Persona, but I've seen some heavy occult influence in it just by looking at screencaps and story quotes. I can't really offer you anything on the events or ideas portrayed in that game, especially as to how accurate any of them are.

Alchemy is a huge subject, which I even have a lot of trouble learning and deciphering through, so depending on the book you read, you still have a lot more to absorb.


Judaism actually has a lot of heavy magick- and mystical-influences in it's religion, but don't tell that to any dogmatic follower, or they'll have your head.
The entire Jewish aleph-bet is one big spell spread across 26 smaller spells. I actually encourage you to do a little bit of research into your background, as Jewish lore is ripe with secrets and power.

Hermeticism, as I know it (which isn't incorrect, but can still be heavily improved upon), revolves around the key truths passed down through all religion and sciences.
These truths are outlined in The Kybalion, a book said to originate from ancient Egypt (which is debatable.)
Hermeticism follows the teachings of Thoth Trismagistus, a mage from Egypt who ascended to become a godform, and was the teacher of magick and science to the ancient cultures.

A few common misconceptions I can think of relating to the Art include;
You need not believe in one, many, no, or any Gods to practice magick. As Initiation into Hermetics makes painfully clear, magick can be a part of any dogmatic following.
Those prayers that are said in church, the entire act of attending the services, it's all a spell made for a specific purpose.
Magick knows no dogma.

Also, many people believe that science and magick are two very separate things, but in reality, most magick is what conventional science has yet to fully understand. As we've been progressing, several of the key truths of magick knowledge have been learned and renamed by science as facts that are taught to the younger generation.

Magick, in the past, was called either The Path or the Great Art. Both of these saying hold incredibly true for it.
Taking up the path of initiation is more about learning your yourself and understanding where you fit in to the bigger picture. This path leads to more questions than it does answers, and it travels with you through many lifetimes.
Every human soul is destined to walk this path in their own way, at some point or another.
The quicker you start, the easier it becomes.

I have a hard time talking about this subject, because there's just such a ridiculous amount to learn and understand. I do a lot better with specific questions rather than general conversation.

In Kabbalah, (spelled Qabbalah in Judaism, although the spelling makes no real difference) teaches that the purpose of life, as dictated by God, is to create a creature and to fill it with utmost delight.
As you can tell by our society, that isn't going over very well.

A fantastic quote I read in a poem called The Epitaph of Twilight states:
"No memories remain but this:
The Whole cannot be changed. We have already lost that chance.
Because the time left to use was short, we were mistaken in our path.
But no do we realize, we should not alter the whole, but change the parts."

Change yourself, not society.
That is the only thing you can do to fix anything, as there the only constant is Change.

Wait you were serious? I thought u were one of those people who took their roleplay seriously. Oh god I'm scared now please dont chant me to death xP

There are a few very important things to know about practicing magick;

1. Intent is key. Will/Intent, means the very original beginnings of a though. It takes a lot of meditation to understand Intent as well as is needed. Pick up your hand. You just created intent, now meditate on this feeling and idea until it becomes so clear to you that any thought in your mind is instantly made reality.
Whether you believe a spell is all in your head (as chaos practitioners believe) or if you know it as fact to be part of reality, Intent is always start, middle, and end of every spell.

2. Most magick is Visualization. This essentially means, imagining, although not quite. The power of Mind is quite great, and it can make some marvelous things reality. There is, however, a great difference between a visualization and your imagination. Never be dissuaded by the power of the subconscious mind. Just because you can imagine something does not mean you can visualize it.

3. You must master yourself before you can master the outside world. If you take up this Path, be prepared to hate yourself for every moment you don't spend meditating and improving yourself as a human being.

4. Every question answered is followed by at least three more unanswered questions. Every time. Always. The pursuit of knowledge is hopeless and eternal.

5. All spells require a few key ingredients, and almost nothing more.
The Target of the spell (optional), the Purpose you want to achieve (required), the Qualities and Forces you imbue into the spell to achieve your Purpose (required), and the Fuel that you provide in order to make your spell work (absolutely required).

Obviously, this leave a hell of a alot of flexibility in your practice. You can literally do almost anything, and, as long as your mental attitude is in the right place, you can achieve absolutely anything.

>>43 I bet you think you're really funny.
Sad fact is, no one is laughing.

Magick takes on many forms. Tell me your address and I will come slit your throat using a short piece of glass and my bare hands.
That is the only magick I need to kill off fools like you.
Your body will serve a great purpose, don't worry.
I plan on using you to bring rain to my village for the next three months.

cute xD

>>47 You have spoken your volumes on your ignorance. You're now welcomed to leave my thread, never to return.

btw you sure you not doing the "visualisation" bit wrong? Sounds to me like you got a great imagination, keep it up might become a bestseller good luck and remember ... INTENT!

>>49 Again, all you're doing is spamming how poor your knowledge-base is.
You make me pity you and people like you. Congratulations.

You are what's wrong with society. Ever heard of having an open mind? Clearly not.

I bet you were really popular in highschool. Or are still in highschool, and not popular at all.

Either way, read a fucking book.

Seriously, I can tell why you're hanging around Personal.
You're like all the other pathetic people here who hate their lives.
I came here hoping to help some people. Maybe you should read some of the material I mentioned.

Alright alright no need to get so sensitive just taking the piss. I thought you'd maybe see the funny side and laugh. Was worth a try. Idk bro kinda stuff's not for me wouldn't be into it. Goodluck with your hobby sorry for the trouble :P

>>52 a respectable reply, but your apology falls on deaf ears.

I understand that its easier to be a skeptic than it is to believe in something outside of your small, dull world.
Easiness is no excuse for ignorance.

You're right, there isn't a need to get sensitive.
There also isnt a need to deal with trolls.

ah but in your case what benefit is there to your enlightenment? is it knowledge for the sake of knowledge or is their a purpose?

>>44 The pursuit of knowledge is hardly hopeless, even in that case. The pursuit of knowledge in the attempt to know all things? I guess, maybe, but that's pretty much doomed from the outset even if we do manage to get immortality at some point. But both the pursuit of useful truths we can use to improve the world (science) and the pursuit of knowledge for the joy of learning (also science)- if every question leads to more questions, then that just means that they're a wellspring of entertainment and potential value that never ever dries up. But I guess I'm an optimist.

Anyway all of this was /extremely/ helpful. Thank you very much.

but surely if magick is even semi-plausible wouldn't its existence be common knowledge? Don't you think its quite far from a science which is based on facts and evidence. I'm not criticising just asking here. Why do think they are "ignorant" people like me if magick is such a painfully clear reality?

Its existence is common knowledge.
I could immediately link over 500 books on its theory, practice, history, and future.

Its not my fault your don't use the rresources at your disposal.

I was being generous and underexagerating, by the way.
Its more something like 20,000+ books.

>>57 sure there is. there's also a shitload of books on cryptids. or vampires. or really anything you can think of. and they all say they're nonfiction. if magic were real we'd have military mages casting spells at our enemies. we don't have that. we have drones and shit because magic's not real.

>>59 And that's where you're wrong.
The American government already had their fair share of projects involving magick, in several different forms.
Obviously they wouldn't call it by the name "magick", nor would they tell you the results of their experiments.
Don't act like you know what your government is really up to, smartass.

If you understand anything about what magick is, then you would know how wrong you are. I'm sorry you watched too much Harry Potter and got so far brainwashed by sparks flying out of wands that you can't even bother to do a small amount of research on what you're talking about.

The entire field of psychology came from occultists.
You guys can talk and talk, but I'm not here to try and convince you. If you want to be skeptical about it, I'm sure you can probably find a forum just so you can bitch about how fictional it is. Hell, you can even start your own thread right above mine, free to say whatever you wish in it.

My knowledge, or your lack-of, does not constitute a problem on my part.

>>60 How did the government use magick?

Their experiments with brainwashing is a notable example.
That movie "The Men Who Stare at Goats" is a satire film telling of their experiments with telekinesis. They did a good job at making it seem like their project was a failure.
Do a little research and you'll learn more than I can offer without digging up resources.

The picture posted in my first thread is a circle created by a sect that called themselves "The Illuminates of Thanateros."

These symbols were channeled by members of their order during their various rituals.
The website for this group existed for about two months after my first visit to the site. I made sure while I was there to copy down as much information as possible to decide what was truly usable.

I've used these symbols in my own work, and they do have their merit, although, as I didn't create the sigils myself, I don't have the current know-how to validate anything beyond their usability.

Starting at the top left, moving clockwise, the symbols represent; Fire, Air, Water, and Earth, the four Cardinal Elements.
Each element faces with the tip facing the circle pointed upward.

This picture, as a whole, represents the earth-sphere (symbolized by the black dot in the center), along with the Zone girdling the Earth, where the Cardinal Elements reside.

The little swirly things represent some other supposed esoteric bs, but by that point, I get too tired to care.

No one is mocking you they are just genuinely curious. If you are more knowledgeable than us in something wouldn't it be nice to simply fill us in. However you have basically stated that governments "do stuff" and "there are books" nothing you've actually said is concrete. As much as I want to try to believe you. It's others that are stubborn it's you who is impatient to explain. You don't have to write an essay just a simple shred of evidence which you haven't provided. I wanna believe your not completely bonkers but your making it hard to believe that.

Now go ahead if you wanna explain your free to do so but without a gazillion assumptions and attacks on the people commenting rather. People are thickheaded and believe what they want but the least you can do is supply some kind of argument which is backed up.

It's not that others are*

whoops typo xP

I have mentioned at least two books by name for you to read to get started.
All I can do is show you the light, I can't coax you into following it.

I've offered what I can on what's been asked, but people like Unko ask dumb and irrelevant questions that I'm forced to answer as clear as possible, which isn't as easy as you assume.
You know literally nothing about what I'm talking about and you've taken no time to read the introductory material listed, so your claims against me are quite weak.
Believe whatever you want, it's meaningless to me. Either read what I offer and improve yourself, or leave.
You choose your own failures.

I have better things to do than than spend my time convincing skeptics.
Again, a little research, and open mind, and a willingness to be proven wrong are all thats needed.

You arent "genuinely curious," you're arrogant and set in yourvways. You have no desire to change. I can't do all the work for you.

If you really feel like you have something to prove, try picking up a few books on tthe occult and practice some of what's written. Try a ritual and record what happens.
Find the proof for yourself.

>>12 That's off the Ghost Hunt anime

Ahh sorry I got carried away

>>66 Yikes well sorry about that, butwhat 'improve' yourself? You might be the only one who 'actually' knows almost EVERYTHING on this topic and you're original point for this thread was I think ,

"If there is anyone who practices any of the Arts, please leave a message here and we can get in further contact to discuss things. We don't necessarily need to share anything. It's just nice to speak with like-minds"

and then you're off on this guy:

'>>36 I don't know if you're a troll or just dumb, but you really need to learn a few things.'

I think he genuinely wanted to share it with you. If you're knowledgeable then you might want to act like it.

If my questions are really 'dumb and irrelevant' then maybe you should've replied "no" when i asked for permission, you didn't seem to mind.

Now I'm not angry, however it can be a bit unfair for us. You're thinking we're 'arrogant and set in your (our) ways' but although I've been patient, this whole time in this thread proves to me that you may be what you've stated.

Trust me, I dont know, nor claim to know everything about anything.
Seriously. The dude asked if you can summon a ball of water? What is that? I literally ccould not tell whether hes a troll or not, and hes made no effort to clear up his post.

As you quoted, I said I wanted to speak to like-minded people, not a bunch of kids who think they have something smart to say.

The reason I said your last post was stupid was because it was in comment to the reply of another stupid post.

I have no problem with questions and I've had a couple good one that were fun to answer, but you people have gotten off base.

Read the two books I mentioned. If youre interested that's all you need to do. From there you'll have more knowledge to bring to the conversation and bbetter questions to ask.

Like I said, I can't do all the work for you. Learning isnt supposed to be easy.

Sorry for any typos, I'm on mobile.

Seriously, I'll even go a step further for the lazy people here and link those two books, since you can't take the time to google them yourselves.

http://marjadevries.nl/universelewetten/kybalion.pdf
http://library.abundanthope.org/index_htm_files/initiation-into-hermetics-franz-bardon.pdf

Boom. Get reading.

Can you clearly explain where the energy for magick originates from? And how the process of magick works? Please don't say "just because tradition"

>73 Because Tradition.

Seriously, like that's something I'd say..

Where it originates from is a fact only God would know. I can explain what I'm capable of.

Energy used in magick can come from multiple different sources. The first and most often-used source is your own physical energy.
This energy, (called by many names such as Prana, Chi, lifeforce, etc.) exists in all things, and is recycled by living creatures through the act of breathing.
http://www.arfalpha.com/ScienceOfBreath/ScienceOfBreath.pdf

The second form of energy would be Akasha. This is a more difficult one to describe, as it's not only a source of energy but a realm of existence as well. Akasha is essentially the Mental realm. Anything that exists in the mind or the collective subconscious lives here, and can be used.
Franz Bardon's book Initiation into Hermetics goes into this quite well, but I cannot use similar words as him without directly quoting the book.

A third source of energy would be the energy contained in other entities, such as spirits of their varying degrees, demons and angels, etc. Whatever non-physical entity you can think of from whatever pantheon or religion you follow can be harnessed as an energy source (provided the entity is willing or forced).


Along the same lines of these, you have the Planetary energies, which are created by the physical planets themselves. The planet Mars isn't just a planet, it's a God ruling over it's own energies, and this energy must pass through others (such as the suns) and our own earth-sphere to get to us and be used.


All existence is vibration. Science class should have taught you that. Even modern science is coming to the conclusion that matter doesn't exist, just energy as various states of rest.

Sound, color, and motion are all directly and intimately linked. We literally are just moving across Waves.

The planets also create their own sounds, and sound, as you may know from music, has a particular way of effecting living creatures, depending on the type of sounds that are played. The same goes when you see a color.



As to how magick works, you probably didn't read this but "Magick is the result of Willed Intent."
Thus, anything you do that originates as a thought is magick.
it's actually quite simple, it's just very flexible, and that's what gets people confused.


I'll explain how to create a sigil, because it is one of the most basic forms of casting possible.

You start with an idea, something you want or desire.

You take this idea and break it down into a symbol that represents your desire clearly, but at the same time, is easily forgotten.
You burn the symbol into your mind, and then, you reach what is known as "Gnosis."

Gnosis is a meditative state in which absolutely zero thoughts arise within your mind. It takes significant amounts of mental control, and usually years of meditation (meditation defined: The active attempt to quiet thoughts within your mind.)
Orgasm is also Gnosis.

While in this state of Gnosis, you perform the mental action known as "Charging", in which you imbue all the properties of your desire into the symbol as though they have already happened. You're essentially telling the future that it's already happened, in your own mind.

After you charge the symbol, you go back to your mundane activities and forget about the symbol, allowing your intent to manifest in reality. When using sigils, this often happens with unpredicted side-effects, as magick, like electricity and magnetism, takes the path of least resistance.


I hope that covered it for you. You could literally write a library on the the uses, forms, and methods of energy use/magick practice.

>>74 Know what? Out of all of your above posts, the one that said "Magick is the result of Willed Intent." is the only one that I read very seriously.. and the one you just typed.

From what I read, magick can only be used on what someone truly wants, so playing around is impossible (basic magick I mean)

Also, "Orgasm is also Gnosis." did ya really need that? I'm just a 14 year old boy trying to be a bit chuuni, AND YOU WRITE THAT IN

Do you write the symbol on paper? How do you imbue? And I think I should read your posts now

It's an important fact that needs to be known.

Most practitioners who call themselves "Chaos Magicians" are too lazy to spend the time training the mind to hold Gnosis, so they use that as a viable alternative when charging sigils.


It is true that it works more by true desire, especially at first, but once you learn the basics and have a bit of experience in actually getting to the end-result of a spell, it is possible to experiment with different styles or methods, and even to use it for less serious means. Not many serious practitioners actually use high magick often.
In fact, most of the "true magicians" I've spoken with rarely practice at all. They prefer to go out and do things by hand, and when they do practice, they alter fate on such astounding levels I couldn't even begin to hope for that power.

A very good book I recommend to learn more on what it's like to practice magick, without actually doing it yourself, is the biography called Frabato the Magician.
Here, you people are lazy.
http://tikaboo.com/library/Frabato.pdf

You can easily download and read that book, so I highly recommend you do so.
The people written about in that book make me fear the very power I use.

The things I can teach you have been written in hundreds of books worldwide. It's nothing special.
There is knowledge and power that exists that has never touched a page with ink, and never will. This is the information most seek, and by the time they find it, they don't even care to use it.

I've done a couple personal experiments in combining technology and multimedia with magick in various different ways. As we progress further into the digital age, there grows an astounding number of new paths we can take, and very few people actually document their works enough for us to continue growing. There isn't a whole lot of "modern" magick, in regards to the past 80 years or so of technological progression.
Most of it is regurgitated wiccan crap that's been pissed out a million times since the end of the Inquisition, other content doesn't take into account much dealing with electrical devices (which can also have some astounding effects) and various progressions.

Science has absorbed magick by trying to stomp it out.
All conventional science has done is re-learn the things followers of the Path have known all along, and rename them to act like it's a new idea.



And you really did a number on yourself with that last comment. Seriously, I could have kids your age.
Don't act like you're so high and mighty when you're the only one who might cause any problems with miscommunication.

>>77 If you want to learn more about sigils, take a look at

http://www.zalathu.com/pages/pdf/Practical_Sigil_Magic_-_Frater_U.D.pdf

and

https://zalbarath666.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/peter-j-carroll-liber-null-psychonaut.pdf

See, simple, to the point, specific questions like that are easy to answer.
Stupid crap like "Lul, magick isnt rl, prove it to me" is pretty much what the rest of these dopeheads sound llike.

They need to have an open head, think more, I mean, who has seen 100% of the world?

Also, (because I'm lazy,) does imbuing a sigil need the energy from within a body? And do you need to actively control it, the energy?

Dude, seriously, who the fuck wouldn't take "Orgasm is also Gnosis." the wrong way, WHO????

It usually does come ffrom the body, but you can anchor it to use energy from people or places.
Servitors made with sigils require active control, though not always.
Regular spells cast using aa sigil do not rrequire anything aafter the cast, and usually dictates you forget both the symbol and the intent.

I think you misunderstood the question, do you need to channel power into the sigil through your own will, or is subconscious enough?

It takes an active tthought to do so, but the thought must be projected with no other thoughts in your mind.

I guess the ffirst one.

Fuck, won't being doing any magic anytime soon

Mind linking the posts relating to the building up of energy within the body and meditation to your reply, thanks

Beautiful how you link two books with no form secondary research or references and a guy (Franz Bardon) whose every claim is based on some abstract notion. What this seems like is a crazy level of belief to a point of delusion, your self to be believe what's happening is true. Your level of arrogance is unbelievable to think you have a shred of unstanding in what your dealing with. I suggest you fix your personality flaws before anything else. Almost every answer has been loaded with crazy assumptions of the people asking the question and paranoia. You maybe physically mature but not mentally.

The only person I can blame is myself for wasting my time with your "knowledge".

>>87 Beautiful how even after linking said books, you take no time to read them, but you still think everything you have to say is smart.
I'm sorry that you're such a genius you cant take an hour to read what I've written and linked, but you can spend the time needed for a poorly written and worded reply.

Nothing written by Bardon is "abstract."
Everything in that book, every physical ability, has been proven as possibility. Again, you people are just so damn lazy you'd rather think you know everything than take some time from your day to do research on what you're talking about.

You seem to think you know me quite well, but i gurantee you barely know yourself.

I hope you dont mind confirming or explain more on a outline that i have, altough i think it might be in one if those books you linked or talk of.

To have clarity is always great.

Magicans can either chant the spells or focus on the image of the spells impact.
Both of which, will need the user knowlege on how the certain spell would work.

Take an example like fire, in order to conjure it, you would have to know what a fire is and how to make it.
But to make it move around, like shooting, would take more concentration, since you are channeling your own enegry or energy borrow from other spirits

Magic is also in a way science, but without all the easy living technology advances.
Well i think it would mostly consist of chemistry, physics, and so forth.
Although, i dont know how the imbueing mana into a object would work, since it is also a object to help with casting the spell, like a staff.

Oh and would you know of another site or forum that would have people like us?
If not, well am sure the search 'legitimate magic forums' would bring up something, right?

Forgot to add to the fire example.

Channeling energy on the fireball existence / power and / or its projectile patheay to target.

I still don't see how this belongs in the personal board?

It could just be me, but most posts on this board tend to be people seeking help, guidance, or advice pertaining to a problem in ones life.

Glancing over all the posts I still can't find a problem with practicing this. I only see someone curious if others share a similar interest with no problems attached to said interest.

Other religious posts, or interests, on this board usually contain a reach out for help. Sometimes the person doesn't agree with part of the belief and is troubled by it. However I don't see how the OP is troubled at all in this belief, or interest.

Like I said before it could just be me, but I don't think I've seen a thread like this constantly getting bumped on this board before. So that is why I am a bit confused.

>>93 I too understand, am pretty sure this should go to on random, but until said other wise (Permasage or Regulars telling us).

>> 93 >>94 If I were to put this in Random, it'd get buried with pointless crap. This thread actually hasn't been bumped at all, it's been posted on.
A bump is when you intentionally move the post to the top.
I created a topic people are interested in, I can't help that.
This post most assuredly belongs in this forum, and I have my reasons for it that you don't need to question. It's here to stay, and no mod is likely to move this, as it does deal with Personal issues, not Random thoughts.

This isn't called the Problem board, it's called the Personal board. It doesn't matter whether or not most people use it to spam their childhood problems.

>>90 >>91 Again, you've been watching too much Harry Potter, and you don't listen to what I say.
That's not how magick works, plain and simple. It is impossible to shoot fireballs from your hands without using some type of physical technology.
That doesn't make it any less magick if it is tech, by it's end result, but it is not done purely with Will alone.

I recommend a forum located at occultforum.org.
A few particular members are extremely knowledgeable (such as Shinichi and RoseRed), and they can offer a lot better help with a lot more patience than I alone have.
If you join that site, keep an eye or for a user named Magari. He likes to post with cryptic esoteric bullcrap and not have the knowledge to back himself up. You can go ahead and tell him Haelos sent you, and tell him he needs to shut his mouth if he causes problems.
Also, do not listen to anything Raine Ashford posts, as I think that chick might actually be incurably insane.
Members like Magari and Raine have been killing that community, so it's a lot more useful of a site to a beginner than is to me, who's been practicing for a few years now.

There are other forums that I've been recommended, but most of the users there seem to think you need to have tripped on hallucinogenic substances to practice magick, which is absolutely not the case. I tend to stay away from sites like that.

When you use the elements in magick, you aren't using their physical forms, but the ideas in which they represent.

For instance, using your fire example, to "conjure fire", you would meditate intently on the ideas and feelings that fire represents, such as passion, anger, physical heat, the property of expansion, etc.
You would then invoke these ideas within yourself, causing you to resonate with them and giving you a, quote "fiery" energy.
This would effect you mentally and, if the meditation is powerful enough, physically, as you can cause changes in your temperature.

Magick doesn't need anything but a thought to work.
Using chants, tools, images, smells, or other objects or fetishes are simply to promote the proper state of mind needed towards your goal. These are not needed in any way, for any intent.

So A.I.d.a, if you do want to talk to me then my email is ourandevils@gmail.com or my fanfiction account is Uke-Ciela-Phantomhive

>>97 I can always be contacted on here.
You dissuaded me from joining a conversation with you by spamming wiccan crap for ten posts at the beginning of the thread. Sorry.

>>95
I said bump since I mainly see the same people posting. I'm not slandering this belief, or interest, in any way. I did not sage this since I didn't think it's my place, or call, to do so.

I just have never seen a thread like this before on this board. Though I've only been here for bout 3-4 years. So that is why I was a little confused.

Adding to this topic is my mom's experience. She messed around with witchcraft for a while, but dropped it cold turkey. What made her do this is she had a dream with the devil choking her and she said it was like she was actually there with him. I don't know enough about this topic to offer any more insight. I just know I will not practice it. But I won't stop, or inhibit, anybody else from doing it.

You know what, I think these people are skipping a whole lot of steps. You cant use magic in a day. You need to actually learn it first, and do proper preparations (I think).

SO WHICH BLOODY POSTS CONCERN MEDITATION

I don't know what all posts deal exclusively with meditation, but if you need a place to start, as I've said, the first few steps of Initiation into Hermetics is what you want to be reading and practicing. Take your time on every step, and practice all three Mental, physical, and psychic branches at the same time for each step.

And you are correct, NZ, as it takes many years of practice and discipline before you can successfully cast every time, and even then, there are unforseen circumstances that can cause failures in even the most powerful spell that's been cast successfully a million times before.

You could know the most powerful spell in existence and not be able to use it without the proper skills and knowledge.

Skipping initiatory steps can get you hurt, both physically and mentally.
I've read many stories, for instance, of people who attempted to awaken their Kundallini energy without any previous skills or knowledge on the matter, and there have been people who died because of it.
Especially with Kundallini Yoga (which means sexual energy, and doesn't have anything to do with the act of procreation), there are many things that can go wrong during the process, and the process itself actual weakens your entire body, causing bones to be more brittle, muscles to ache, and your mental condition to slip.


It is easy to go crazy performing these practices. That's how I can tell my mental condition is stable, as I've come very close to the brink of losing myself in insanity. I literally would have needed to be locked up, 'cause I wouldn't have been able to function in reality normally anymore. Thankfully, I managed to work myself past that, but always remember psychosis is a possibility with certain things you can't understand.
There is a very fine line between delusion and reality, but you do not need to be deluded to see this.

In fact, I feel sorry for you pathetic souls who have never experienced a relatable state to insanity, because you have nothing to base your sanity off of.
You only exist in contrast to everything else.

>>99 Also, I apologize for coming off so headstrong, but at a point you just get tired of stupid things, and I couldn't tell if you were just another person throwing a wrench into the gears, or not.

Your mom made the mistake of practicing the Craft, which although almost every wiccan will say otherwise, it actually does rely on a lot of demon worship, because most Witches are self-initiated, and never follow any other initiation where they would teach you what not to do at a very early stage.

Witchcraft itself is primarily a focus on sympathetic magick and herbology, although there are a lot of other aspects as well.
Herbology is obviously working with plants as a tool, and sympathetic magick is better known as "binding," where you essentially make an object represent a person, in which you can then effect. Voodoo dolls and Gris-Gris are an example of sympathetic magick.

The whole demonology thing has evolved over the years, and a lot of spells have been passed down claiming their good intent, while in reality they are used for evoking negative entities into your sphere of existence.


Stay away from summoning anything, and traveling (such as astral projection) and you should be fine.
I've been studying evocation (the art of conjuring spirits) for about two years now, but I've still never evoked a single entity.

Conjuring takes on two extremely separate forms: Invocation, and Evocation.

To invoke means to call an entity inside of your body. Basically allowing a temporary possession, and giving the spirit permission to wear your meat suit.
This is a much safer practice because when you invoke an entity, you are only given as much energy from it as your vessel can take. There's almost 0 risk of overloading yourself and causing damage.

To evoke means to call a spirit to physical form outside of your body. You should cast a circle to protect yourself (one of the most basic spells) and a triangle to contain the spirit. It take a lot more focus to perform an evocation ritual, and the spirit summoned is done so at its full power, with no restriction on it's abilities except the power of the magician summoning it, and their ability to contain a loose spirit.

Gods are most often Invoked, while lesser entities such as elementals, angels, demons, etc. are evoked to physical form.
Sorcerers usually evoke demons because they're easier to work with than angels, and often will do what you want if you're rude and belligerent with them, whereas angels usually require some amount of respect.
No entity likes being commanded and yelled at with threats, and most true magicians looks down on such a violent method of evocation.

Sorry, kinda went on a tangent here.

Much thanks for the answer, forum, and your knowledge.
I'll be sure to look into some of the things you listed and continue to following along this thread.

Just as a note, to those who are already progressing along the Path (I feel those are the people less likely to respond here), I just recently discovered that the music by The Algorith, especially the album Polymorphic Code, is fantastic for Shamanic Journeying to. It's a little jagged, but it really has an effect on the brain. Obviously it's not quite like a simple 40 or 60bmp drum beat, but it gets the job done.

>>102 have you ever come across spirits who cut people's hair? and if they do, how do they do it and why? the reason im asking is because it happened to two people i know and it was really really strange. At first I didn't believe them and said it mustve been the products theyve used. But then I saw where it was done and thought it was humanely impossible to do.

Also, the reason why I dont want to do a lot of googling for this is because lately I've noticed that these 'spirits' have been watching me closely and things that I tend to repeat or do in slight obsession turn against me in nightmares. The reason why i know its the 'spirit's' doing is because when I start to chant before going to sleep, I sleep like a baby and my dreams become borderline, otherwise it's a hell if I don't. Which is one of the reasons I find sleep so troubling, for the past 12 years.

>>99 i'm glad she stopped, dreams like those have insight.

>>98 Ahh sorry. It was four though, and I just get carried away sometimes

>>100 yes that's true. I didn't even LOOK at any of that until over a year of studying, and still won't cast anything difficult, powerful or specific

>>106 if that's true then there might be a spirit. I haven't heard anything like that personally, but that's just me. Maybe if you can at school or something, google it and ways to deal with unruly spirits. That's just how it sounds

I'm on mobile and cant type a lot. Ill reply to this later.
Look up the Lesser Banishing Pentagram ritual. Its a simple invocation of God and the Archangels for protection from outside influences. Perform it every new moon, and perform the Lesser Invoking Pentagram ritual every full moon to invoke Gods energy to renew you.
Do not perform one ritual more tthan the other, as it can throw you entirely out of balance.

Thought these might help if they are malevolent or unruly spirits


Aloe's Magical Properties: Plants will keep you safe from any evil influences and protect you from accidents within the home

Anise's Magical Properties: Put anise seeds in a small cotton bag and place under your pillow this will ward off nightmares, just as a dream catcher does; if you use anise leaves in your sacred space and inside your magic circle when practicing your magic or meditating, the leaves will protect your sacred space from anything untoward

Ash's Magical Properties: By holding, or carrying on your person, a piece of ash you will always be protected on or near water, ash can also be hung in doorways and ward off malevolent spirits. You can sprinkle ash around the outside of your home for protection

Fennel's Magical Properties: Fennel will repel all evil spirits, it is good luck to grow it around the home as a form of protection. Hang it at windows and doorways for protection, carry with you for protection

Hawthorne's Magical Properties: If you have Hawthorne in, or around home you will repel ghosts and spirits, Hawthorne also draws fairies into your garden

Holly's Magical Properties: Holly will protect you from all things earthly or otherwise, plant around your home for a ring of protection, and carry holly for luck

Marigold's Magical Properties: By stringing Marigold around your home you will be sure to keep out evil spirits. It also works on unpleasant or unwanted visitors by repelling them

Mistletoe's Magical Properties: To repel evil spirits burn mistletoe, and by placing mistletoe under or on your bed it will ensure a good night’s sleep and enhance dreams

St. John’s Wort's Magical Properties: St. John’s Wort can be worn to banish evil spirits

>>106 I've never heard anything like that, and it honestly sounds more like someone in their household is playing a prank, but I see no reason why a particularly powerful entity couldn't do that.

Googling information will actually help keep the spirits away. The smarter you are, the more capable you are of protecting yourself. I recommend you follow the steps in this thread immediately if you have any suspect of a haunting.
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=37421

Not very many spirits you'd come into contact with really mean you harm, and are often just a nuisance more than anything.

Dreams are an act of divination, and are a compilation of your day and week, future and past events of life, your hobbies or interests, and anything you give access to you while you're sleeping (ie. if you sleep with someone, your dreams often effect eachothers' during sleep).

If these kinds of things are giving you nightmares, I simply recommend lowering your obsession with them. Rather than spend every waking minute thinking about a subject, take a few hours out of the day for research, then spend time doing other things, completely ridding your mind of the obsession.
If that's problematic, perform the meditation at the end of >>16

Using herbs is another very viable option, but for a non-initiate, they usually only work as long as there is still life force in the plant matter, which doesn't last very long.
Normally you would empower or enchant your herbs to a specific purpose, and using your energy or the energy of your idols would prolong its life.
I actually recommend learning more about talismans than herbology, because talismans help for a lot more purposes than herbs usually do.

Remember though, the more effort and intent you put into something, the greater the end result. That's basic science.

And learn to cast a circle. It's the single most important, most basic spell, it comes in literally an infinite number of verities, and it grows in power as your understanding of reality does.
The circle is used to keep entities away from you (both human and spectral). Most circles are empowered with a pentagram (which then becomes a pentacle), or they are empowered with various names of God, such as the YHVH.
The Lesser rituals I listed are both circle spells, although I find them to be a bit outdated, and I've improved upon them to fit my own needs better.
However, I rarely use that high-level of ritual anymore, as I can cast a circle with simple visualization and by using the first two cuts of the Kuji-In/Kuji-Kiri (the first cut is described above, near >>6, somewhere. Ctl-f for Rin mudra.)

Dude, please, not so long T.T
My interest in this is urging me to read it, but my eyes and boredom tell me to not read it, because it's too long T.T

>>112 I can't help that. Take a nap and come back to it later. This entire thread is quicker to read than a single chapter of most novels.

Although really, I can't believe this thread has gotten as many replies as it has. I know I kind double post like every time, but still, that's about 50 posts that weren't mine.

I've never had a thread on like, any forum take off this much. Well, maybe one or two on occultforum, but not any of significance.

>>113 Sorry, a middle school student doesn't work like that.

Also, how many different types of magic/magical energy rely on sex?

>>115 No type of magick except sex magick relies on sex, and you aren't using sex itself, you're using the energy produced during it, which is just prana or chi.

Also, I don't care how you work. If you want to take the fist steps of initiation, stop being lazy and get reading. You'll spend a thousand hours over the next years reading in a dark room, hunched over a book or a computer.
You're lucky that you found this interest so young. You have a lot of potential, starting off so early in your life, and with the right dedication, you could really make something of yourself.
Most of the greatest philosophers and scientists of the past 500 years have had at least some dealing with the occult in their lives. It leads you to revolutionary breakthroughs that most average minds can't or won't conceive.

Even if I'm not studying magic, I guess that will still happen...

>>110 >>111 I wouldve told you what sort of cuttings they were, but I'm just afraid that it might be some sort of unique marking they've put on them. But let's just say that you only notice the hair cut after a short while, like a few weeks. But the weirder part is where its done. And I don't know,I've never attempted or even had that will to perform magic before. I could try visualising a circle of energy like you sort of mentioned and I could even go with the aniseed idea at >>109. Thanks though.

I do know that spirits are culturally different just like us which is why its unusual/unlikely for them to do this sort of stuff where you are. And i do know that some are good and some are not-so-good, just like us as well. In one of the first 4 houses i lived in spirits use to be the kind or the cheeky type, nothing serious.But that changed when we went into the 5th, these spirits were really trying to drive us to insanity and 2 of us siblings ended up sleeping in my parent's room for that year, wasnt even a year id say. It's when all this hair baloney problem began. Kids would randomly start crying because 'they could taste something chilli' or see things unusual ( I don't remember what exactly but they came to us with that). Some of us were getting terribly sick so much to the point we didnt know if one of our family member was going to live. We started preforming rituals such as splashing enchanted water across every single wall in the house every sunset time in one flow, and a fricken double story house is no easy job. We did a tonne of other things but this was how serious the haunting escalated. It's also one of the reasons we moved after about 11 months.

Sometimes these spirits come from overseas and get attached to us. Which is why strange things begin to happen sometimes. The most prominent example I can think of this moment is when my sister lost her eye shadow or something when she was overseas and looked everywhere for probably about 3 months or so when she came back here and also over there, it was just completely gone, vanished. But after those months guess where she found them? right on top of everything else in her first drawer. So my sis carelessly picked it up and went to show it to my mother and so they both touched it. Within those moments they mentioned they felt really sick and started getting a fever. I took care of them for a little while and then we decided this eye shadow has to go. So we found a small mountain that was accessible and buried it as deep as we could. I was worried at first that it might affect someone else but I was told that those are targeted spells casted on the eye shadow, which meant no one else would get hurt. However it means now we can never return to that mountain again, also the 5th house neighbourhood too.

I'm pretty well aware of dreams being a recollection of what you do during the day or week. But does everyone of them have to be something that keeps you awake? The other interesting thing about spirits is that they can travel through space (you probably knew that anyway)and so can reach the entrance to the first heaven before getting pelted by angels. What spirits do their is actually listen to the talks of the angels or whatever sort of planning which goes on of the future. After they listen, these spirits might sometimes relay it to humans in their dreams. I guess I may never know the intent of it but when they are accurate, I really hate it. However it's not every time that they are. I can't say all dreams are from spirits though. But the ones I know that are surely not from spirits and are impossible is when you do another ritual, not for protection, but when asking advice from god. These dreams are insightful, intricate and not blunt. Whereas 'other' dreams I have will be blunt, painful and always come with a date, as if its some sort of deadline. This is what really scares me. It's been accurate twice now for two major events. I really really am not fond of spirits now.. forget about good ones I just dont want to deal with any of them anymore.

^ This was basically a rant but my main intent was to provide people here with some knowledge about things these spirits can get up to.

There are other light ways of protecting yourself from spirits though:

1. Don't go out within 45 mins - 1 hour after sunset. And never mention your dreams from sunset to the sunrise of the next morning.
2. Keep your windows closed as soon as it's sunset (trust me..)
3.Don't stand under trees at night
4. Old wives tale: Never sweep/vacuum at night.
5. Old wives tale: never rock/sway an empty hamock or a swing
6. Experience: Avoid any exorcist/ spirit users from the middle east and any other countries near there, DO NOT SEEK THEIR HELP BY PHONE ESPECIALLY, unless youve seen them in real life. If you're so desperate then it's your choice.
7. If you need to go out at night, go with a pair. Women walking alone at night can not only attract human predators like we hear on the news, but even spirits. An example I've heard is like taking control of your reproductive system.
8. It's best not to use hot water in the bathroom unless you've given them a warning or you've read a protecting chant. Bathrooms especially because that's where they can tend to live.
9. Never cut down a possessed tree (duh)
10. Never throw hot water outside in the backyard, wait for it to cool if you need to throw it.
11. (this tip might be extreme for some of you) But do not keep any animated beings open in the house. Such as magazines or other products, flip them over or cover them so that the eyes specifically are not seen.
12. Novices to magick and the like should never deal with spirits first go. (you've might have been aware with Aida mentioning this).
13. (this is pretty random but...) never approach meat you find lying around that you don't know how it got there. This can most likely be cursed meat and I'm not sure, but a targeted curse as well.

Just keep these tips down and you've got your easy basic protection.

I'm only halfway through your post right now, but actually, when you bury an effected object, it's completely cleansed after a certain while. The area in which it resides in not negatively effected either. Our planet is one of the best in the universe for absorbing and grounding energy.
Another viable option is to throw it into a source of natural flowing water, as that will help cleanse anything negative as well.

It sounds like your family really has some bad juju. And yeah, if there are negative spirits, the only thing you can do is match their aggression with yours. It's obvious something might get mad when you kick it out of the house it thinks you're intruding. By that point, all you did was fuck the next residents.

That last half of your post was an intense and painful read.
I'm sure some of those things work, but that's some serious paranoia to do even a quarter of those things. Learning to cast an effective circle is the best alternative to all of that stuff, especially for mundane folk.

From how you describe your experiences, it sounds to me like you're some type of seer, and you're specifically given information of the future to enlighten yourself or others.
The biggest problem with a gift like that is turning away from it, as natural talent attracts spirits in and of itself.
With the confusion of a gift such as that, with the added negativity of spirits who know you have it, wishing to dick with your day, there really is a lot that can go wrong.

I'm not sure how gifts like that are transferred, whether through blood or otherwise, but I do not have any of them. Every skill I have I've needed to train very intensely.

It's probably that you've been a practitioner in past lives. I don't see why you would end up here otherwise. Same with the other dude, who's 14. Nobody goes anywhere without some reason.

I honestly recommend you learn more about protection magick, and as long as you stay away from evoking *anything*, and invoking anything but God, then you'll be perfectly alright. The book from Bardon I listed really is the perfect one for you, as Bardon keeps you from even remotely dealing with spirits until his second book, and it's all practical, positive magick.
This was a dude who turned down working for Hitler because he could see the future pain his regime would cause, even though he (like I) totally agreed with his original ideals.

If you feel tormented now, I can guarantee that getting yourself started on the Path is a good step to getting the self-help you need.

Seriously, you are next to schizo level with your precautions.

Not to mention, that paranoia also attracts spirits, and really isn't doing as much as you might think. It's more for you than it is the spirits.
Don't forget that our entire world exists because of the spirits, so don't shun them all. Especially natural entities that keep nature in balance, while you don't need to summon them, it never hurts to appeal to them.

Sometimes it's nice feeling a breeze of nostalgia from a past Autumn day due to a mere thought of sadness sent out into the world.

>>119 that is a bit of a relief to hear, maybe at some point i could go back there. Yeah we did think of putting it in a river but we didnt have any that were far away enough, just in case. Good point too, maybe it really did think we were intruding. (what a violent way to get us out though) but i guess it couldve been worse.

>>120 if the magic circle is something i need, I think ill go try it out then. And a seer? I don't usually believe in past lives but if it was passed down, i think it mightve been from my great-grandma, i heard she use to deal with spirits and probably had dreams too. But thanks a lot again, i feel like you put this in a new perspective. If I do need to get on with my life I need to control this power and see what's being a real dick to me and whats not. I had another 'revelation' in my dream about a week ago which is why I've been on edge and havent gotten much sleep. This is also a very extreme one as well but I cant mention it until after this friday. The other two major ones i had were about my Uncle's death and the moment I'd develop a 'condition' and need surgery.

Schizo lol, I could say paranoia but im not yet to the point of schizophrenia.

>>121 If thats the case then i suppose keeping a good composure is a good remedy too. If i do begin to encounter good spirits someday I won't shun them, they were sweet when we had them before. When they were around you you could tell because of their scent and sometimes theyd possess our lamp and start 'singing' with us, was funny and only a bit freaky when we were kids. Made us laugh either way. Jeez now im remembering all this weird stuff.

Surprisingly, I only just now understood what your last autumn sentence meant, did you predict that?...

Question, how trust worthy is spellsofmagic.com?

In my opinion, i just cant really trust most of the things there. Maybe the articles, but...... Well hopefully a more experience person such as yourself can tell.

>>122 If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to let me know, and I'll do my best to answer them.

>>123 I've never personally used that site, but after a quick run down, everything I skimmed seems legit.
Really though, this isn't the kind of site that you should use when starting your Path. You need to learn the basics of casting, then you won't need someone else's spell, you can write your own.
Usually rituals like those on the site you gave need exact and specific materials to get them done (just because that's how they've been empowered to be performed).

I recommend you read the Book of Ceremonial Magic, by Arthur Edgar Waite, and learn how to construct a ritual from scratch. This is not a beginner book, however.

Is magick neutral? I mean in the sense that magick that harms others and magick that heals others are the same difficulty.

>>125 certain magicks are more difficult than others. It really depends on the type of casting you do. A sigil to hurt someone and a sigil to heal someone are just as easy to cast, but healing or hurting someone without a sigil using pure force of will is difficult no matter what the intent.

In a moralistic sense, however, magick is completely neutral. It's the users will that influences whether it's categorized as "white" or "black" magick. True magicians understand that all magick is the same whether used for good or bad, but they still only use magick for good purposes, and to help humanity.

>>126 So magick is in the grey area, huh.

From what I read on wiki, 'Chaos magick' is a newly founded type of magick, it is a type of magick not bound by tradition. It is essentialy 'free'.

So what's the other type of magick, please teach me more about this one. I think it would be easier to first learn a type of traditional, unchangeable magick, then spread my view on the world of magick

>>124 Aha, i see, well for a site like that, i thought it would be somewhat fishy, hmm well, thanks for the info.

Question, What would you classify magick done in the east? (Chinese, japanese, so on)

Taoism, shintoism, right? If so, would you know a starting place?
If not, that's understandable, since witchcraft between west and east are differing in some ways, yet somewhat the same.

The only reason, why i would ask, is because i feel more of a affliation towards Eastern, than western, probably because i am asain, but yeah.

I can answer both of your questions in one fowl swoop.
Keep in mind, all of these answers are based simply on my current understanding, and I am prone to mistakes and failures.

First of all, the most original form of magick was what is now called Shamanism. This name originated elsewhere, but this is essentially the root of all magick. These practices are very ecstatic, and can leave you hurt the easiest. Not many practitioners have the call to Shamanism, and only those who have that calling practice its ways. Most of this practice takes place outside your body.

The next step up from that is pretty much Ceremonial magick, which took place in both East and West.
These practices involve a lot of props to get the job done, most times, and this type of magick is usually the most powerful. Many magicians move up to this practice, even though some modern magicians think Ceremony is outdated.

Eastern faiths come in many forms. Both of what were listed, Taoism and Shintoism, are religions. However, these religions do focus heavily on spiritual practices. Eastern faith takes many forms, but from what I know of it, a lot of it is based on Tantra and other forms of Taoism and Buddhism.

Next up from that would be things like Witchcraft, Voudon, Satanism, and Gnosisism, which are all basically the same general grouping of things, just in varying degrees, with different methods. This type of practice takes many, many, many names, depending on the region of practice, and the time period it was practiced during.

Next up from that would be Chaos Magick, which as you stated, is a newer path developing even as we speak now.
Honestly, Chaos Magick is just a bunch of crap thrown together in any way you think it will fit. There's no rhyme or reason to it, it doesn't have any central beliefs or practices.
Technically, any self-initiate in all of history was a Chaos practitioner, but they never used that name. Most people who go by that title are a joke, I've found, and most of their casting involves fapping over a paper-drawn sigil.

In all honesty, there isn't really a name for a full initiate. There comes a point in understanding (which I have not yet reached) where all magick practices are one with eachother, and the only name they can use to refer to themselves is "Human."

On top of those listed, there are literally hundreds upon thousands of different branches of spritual magick and mystical practices that have been taught throughout history. Many of these have died off, some have evolved, and some were absorbed into other theologies. Whatever name you decide it should go by, the original name for this practice was simply called The Art, or The Path, and it consisted of every science of both the physical and spiritual nature.

Question, Sorry if this sound like i haven't read through all the post on this thread, even though i really did.

But, could you provide some titles for beginners?
I know you list some for sigils, Frabato, hermetics, mediation, breathing, and some other stuff.

You can say i could go to that occult forum or google to check, but i did, and well, its more confusing to start off there, than not in the books first.
Seriously, i would be more lost in those forums or the internet, than if i were to get the info to start with, from a guy who actually experience this first hand.
After all, that's the proper education, no? (Rhetoric question)

Much thanks,
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Look up the Bardon companion on google, I recommend sticking with him. Ill get a better (huge) list of books when I've had sleep.

Haha, i'll be looking forward to the list, again, an eternal thanks to ye.

If ye haven't appeared, i'll just either A slowly discover this on my own, B forgotten all about this, and etc.

>>132 you should probably choose something specific too. It's not needed, but it can make it much easier. As some beliefs are contradictory to other practices and religions that practice magick and the occult

Frabato the Magician, by Franz Bardon
Initiation into Hermetics, by Franz Bardon
The Emerald Tablets of Thoth, by Unknown
Kybalion, by Three Initiates
The Science of Breath, (linked above, I don't know the author.)
Seven Hermetic Letters, by Dr. Georg Lomer
A Bardon Companion Book (used for IIH)
Corpus Hermeticum, by Unknown

Liber Null & Psychonaut, by Peter J. Caroll

Book of Ceremonial Magick, by A.E. Waite
Three books on Occult Philosophy, by Henry Cornelius Agrippa.
A Short Course in Scrying, by Benjamin Rowe

Fundamental Development, by Shinichi (also available in pdf format.)
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=37025

N.E.W. (New Energy Ways), by Robert Bruce. (I've never read this one but it comes recommended by other practitioners)

These are about the best books I can think of for beginners, and following nothing more than these books will make you an expert mage, although it will take effort.
However, you should also take the time to research other things as you learn, and study texts of both the East and West of both mythology and lore, and practical methodology.
Theory is exactly as important as practice is.

I organized them by their general subjects, and it's up to you to get a copy of the book yourself. You can find every single book on that list very easily and for free simply by typing "BookName Author pdf" into google, filling in the appropriate content.

My eternal gratitude to you, mentor.

>>138 No problem. Keep the questions coming if you have anything specific you need answered. As stated, I'm not that great with general knowledge, but my skills flourish in some areas.

Leviticus 20:27 “A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.”

Thanks thumper, I've read the bible.
Thankfully, I dont teach seeing or raising the dead, so those don't apply to anyone here.

No one is asking you we have our own beliefs and rights. And we're not necromancers. Personally, I use white magick. Forbidden to use black magick. You say you're a peaceful religion, huh? Stoning and killing those that you simply don't understand. A war will never be fought in the name of wicca. Never has, and never will... This gets me so frusterated

Its alright. A few more bloody wars will be faught in the name of Christianity and other monotheistic religions, but its dying out and being replaced with a new spirituality. Its all a matter of time.

I don't believe that religion can die, because you said before that gods or god-like spirits exist. Another reason is because knowledge of something can never truly be lost, it can just be known to few (well in this case it is like the greek and roman gods, believers dead but still there).

Monotheism is the faith in One God, and contains Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. All three of the are completely borrowed sources, and teach the same thing. The views aand ideals of these religions, which demand tthat theyre the correct theosophies, are what is going to ddie off.

Sorry for typos, on mobile

But won't there still be text about it in the future? Also there would be tiny amounts of people still worshiping it. I meant that it is like a new change in fashion.

BURMT THE WITCH WITH THE POWER OF GOD!!!

Lol, okay. Gtfo.

>>147
LOL

I do say though a very unusual topic these days.

>>147 burmt?

I haven't heard of this stuff being real. It sounds amazing. I'm not gonna practice magick, but it sounds magnificent.

>>148 A.I.d.a. Just ignore anonymouse >>147, it's likely a person who popped up on these forums a year and a half ago calling him/her self Anubis, who was posting dumbass stuff all over the place.
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Back on topic

>>148 A.I.d.a. I have read what you have posted and do find it some what interesting, please continue.

This mantra, called the Surangama Mantra, is the longest Sanskrit mantra in existence. It's said that as long as one human on earth can recite these words, existence will not end.

Put on some headphones, lay down, and close your eyes listening to this. Have it just loud enough that it's slightly painful during each enunciated syllable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3tEEgf_Ruc

Try not to fall asleep, and focus intently on the vibrational quality of the words.

It isn't really long is it

Question, What do you think of this guy Manual / Book?

http://bluefluke.deviantart.com/gallery/52627976/THE-PSYCHONAUT-FIELD-MANUAL

Found a thread of it on the occultforum, and so far it is understandable, but i wouldn't know if it all correct.
(Haven't gone far into reading, life you know? Soon, soon.)

>>154 Quit bitching.

>>155 I've only read the first part, but it highlights some basics nicely, and in a fun way. I wouldn't trust it as an end all solution, but it'd make a nice addition to your theory.
A few practitioners i know recommend it.

>>156 Marvelous, another good edition to my reading....
Well, it is kinda like a guide, you know the Level parts, haha.

>>156 Well, there ARE loads of people that read books and convert them into audio books for a living, so not really long in comparison.

>>143 I couldnt agree with you more A.I.d.a

>>151 It can be absolutely magnificent, Blue. The calm peace washing over you as you work with magick; a lot of it at least deriving from sources over 2000 years old

bump

Holy shit this like a bad /x/ thread, where people genuinely believe in the crap being said.
Seriously, spells and mantras and spirits/gods! This is great stuff!
And did you seriously imply that the government has used/uses magic in top secret experiments? Hahahahahahahahaha dude at best they've been using highly advanced scientific knowledge and techniques that would make Everett and Dewitt scratch their heads, at worst they drugged some poor fools and probably themselves to spare the embarrasement, nothing magical about it.
And the self-righteousness you oozed when that adam guy was trolling here is just awesome, not to mention that glass shard stabby internet tough guy thing you did, like if you had said "death to the muggles" I would have shit myself with laughter.

Now don't get me wrong, this is all a great read, it's genuinely enjoyable, and i'm pretty practiced in the occult myself, though I'm more of a demonologist and contemporary paranormal specialist. And everyone can believe what they want... There's still the fact that spirits and magic and such have no concrete evidence for them and go against pretty much everything science tells us is possible.

So if you can come up with an even slightly sound scientific rationale for "magic" then I'll prop up more, I'm sure you can come up with a better reasoning than most.

>>161 Yep, pretty much the same as you, but with a little bit more of an open mind. But if someone really said "DEATH TO THE MUGGLES" I too, would shit myself with laughter.

I'm sorry but tthe redundancy in your post isn't even worth a valid response.
Maybe if you don't contradict yourself so much next time, and I'm a little less tired, you'll get a better response.

>>163 You could've at least said who you're replying to

That should be assumed. It wasn't you

Haha there it is again, that 'ttude~
I love it!
But man, you could've at least TRIED to give a good response, just a wincy bit (- w0)

Oh hey Fray, how you doing?
I see you picked on another thread to bully cause you got nothing better to do (Same here buddy).
Must be great to spread your own philosophy on stuff ( I know the feeling too).
Must be reaaaaal super to say your shit.

Must be real great to, to try and talk reason between two conflicting philosophy.
Between Magic and actual science.
Must be real great to go ahead and sprout some shit opinion of yours, but hey i know that feeling to.
Because i just did it here.
Hey Fray, how you doing buddy?

See, that's where your presumption gets ahead of you. All I did was outline a couple books. The only opinion is your narrow-minded views.
Take what I write as you will.
Its literally impossible for me to care any less.

>>167 Hey there friend who I have never seen before except for just now here and on the RTT thread!
I'm glad to see that you've noticed my habit of bullying on soooooo many threads despite only ever being a certifiable ass on this one thread in particular as far as I know, because ya know, I just lead a sad sad miserable life and have nothing better to do!
Spreading shit opinion is just what I love to do man! You should know right, you said you do to! Just spouting out my own "philosophy", because science is toooootallly a philosophy right?
And not like seeing someone being a total butt just because someone else doesn't believe in what they do or just being a troll is gonna attract other trolls or some other kind of response or anything~

Man, I cannot talk like that.

4 cereal though, if you have a problem with people spouting "shit" opinions in response to other "shit" opinions, the internet isn't the place for you. Then again, you do it yourself so maybe it is.

>>168 Again man! Gold. Gold I say. That's a compliment by the way, too many people these days care what others think or say about them, good on you.
But off from that little tangent, you got a bit wrong, 1. my opinion isn't the only one, there's yours too.
2. You're confusing open-minded with willingness to believe everything anyone says at face value, which is foolish. Would you believe me if I said there's a giant purple dragon in the sky who creates all weather on earth? If not that's pretty narrow minded of ya man. It's not like I gave no evidence whatsoever and when asked refuse to give any or even provide a logic reasoning as to why I believe in such a thing.

Can we go back to magick please?

There's the difference though, I did provide a *TON* of resources for people to start their own research. I'm not asking any one to believe anything, I'm telling them very specifically not to disbelieve.
I'm glad you think you're funny, and clever, and you think you have something going for you, but you come off as a lowly and pathetic ingrate who's barely worth the time to *type* to.

You seem to think quite high of yourself, and lowly of others, but I'm not the one trolling on a personal board thread xD

"Hey guise listen to my funny words, I'm clever"

Well damn, didn't realize I was funny and clever, I just assumed I was being an ass.
And apparently I think highly of myself, didn't know that either. Not like I berate myself on here or anything, yep totally egotistical. And even if I was, you clearly think highly of yourself too, so what?
Glad to know you do care enough to respond though~

Still though, you're avoiding the question I asked, can you provide an even vaguely scientific rationale for the existence of magic? I'm not even asking for specific evidence or proof anymore man, just a measly rationale.

"Magick is the result of willed intent." This literally means anything that happens, that starts as a thought, is magick.
shouldn't take much more fucking rationale than that.
Any derivitive of practice doesnt really need to be explained if you cant get your thick, nigger of a skull around that which I've already stated and explained 4 times now.

Actually read my posts, and grow up, or dick off. You make a very poor image for yourself.

(btw I tried researching this)

Is it true you can kill demons with hot water? this information once again was something that was passed down onto me. I asked another practitioner and he didnt know about it. He in fact told me that the way he kills/defeats demons is through some sort of power in regard to intent. if you create a really strong intent to kill a demon then it will challenge you and you'll just have to keep at it till you kill it or it runs away (?)

Yeah I don't really care if I "make a poor image of myself", thought that was made pretty evident by the fact that I acknowledged that i'm being an ass.

Seriously though, that's not much of a rationale as it is changing something's definition. So what you're saying is that, since it happened and I thought it, the very act of me just moving my fucking arm is magic? Pretty sure anything that happens and starts as a thought is an action, or an event.

Seriously that rationale just takes the magic out of... well magic.
Gotta say I was actually expecting something a bit... more. Just more. What you said is basically just "Its this because it is." There's no underlying reason. Like come on you could have done something cool, like used multiverse theory as explanation, saying that since it's possible that there are completely different universes where the laws of physics are different and there's the possibility that wormholes can exist in space-time allowing elements from these other universes to enter our own and act upon their own physics within a universe where those same laws do not apply, that maybe magic can be real- in a sense that it's not inherently real within our universe but a byproduct of interactions with another one. Or maybe just go full quantum mysticist and use the observer offect or the lack of understanding about the wave function collapse as evidence that our very observation of the universe molds it through our shared visualization of it.
Sure there are problems with those but that's the best I could come up with off the the top of my head, but they're certainly better than "anything that happens, that starts as thought, is magick". Like come on man i'm doing all the thinking here.

>>178 I haven't heard about the water thing either, although what your friend described is the essential process of an exorcism, whether it be of yourself or another.

>>179 I'm sorry you're so disappointed. Life is cruel, and not all secrets are revolutionary.
Every aspect of magick that has become understood recently by modern academics has been renamed as a science.

Seriously, how can you be unimpressed by the very actions it takes to do something as simple as lifting your arm? It all starts as a tiny chemical reaction called thought and the end result is an infinite number of possibilities. Either you're weak minded, or just a really dull person.

Sure, I could come up with some bullshit, half-assed theory ripped from the air around my dick, or I could tell you simply how it is. It's your choice to take whatever I say as you will.

Life is a mildly subjective thing, and the words I say can have many interpretations, as can yours, but you very wholeheartedly prove my perceptions. What have you proven about me?

>>180 Why good sir, you too, have only given more credence to my perceptions. Isn't it funny how that works?

No no, I choose to look at the wonderful complexities of the world, why am I unimpressed? Because as you said, it's simple. I'm just raising my arm. There's so much more that we could look into, such as your example of the chemical reactions that cause it, see that's interesting. But I give not a whit for the simple action of it all, nor the simple minded outlook you gave me.

See I actually am not weak minded or dull, quite the opposite. You however are far too easily impressed and must be mind numbingly dull if you choose to look things at face value, to simply say "how it is" and not ask why, if it actually is how it is. Seriously that's no fun now is it?

But you're right in the respect that life is indeed subjective, that words can be(and often are) interpreted differently. Ergo I doubt I can ever get you to try to actually give anything more than mystical nonsense as reasoning for mystical nonsense. Guess I should have expected as much, oh well.

>>180 i guess i wouldnt want to try out the water thing just in case i end up getting another spirit by accident. I was trying hard to understand what he meant by his form of exorcism and it just didnt click. is it really that once your intent to kill becomes somewhat apparent to them that you can dual?

I think some reference material would be nice for these things, it might even help me see what sort of demon use to haunt us and if there are any around at the moment.

>>181 Your use of eloquent words doesn't impress me. It's nice and all, that you can eat up and regurgitate information, but it really doesn't do you well in terms of practical application.

You know, I'm sorry I asked a bunch of roleplaying kids on a suicide forum to try and be open-minded, and learn some things for themselves. I'm sure you haven't but skimmed half the posts in this thread, if that.
You'd be surprised, some of what you can learn from the resources I've offered could really change some of your outlooks on life. You're a poor young, and simple soul.


>>182 Unko, I've never had any real experience with possession or hauntings, and what I have had, was under the influence of delusion, so the experiences aren't really justifiable.
I would recommend asking around on occultforum.org, or googling some resources for yourself.
It takes time to pick through what's good info and what isn't, but that's part of the tragedy of hunting down the secrets of life.
You might come to some shock to realize how far you can get on simple search terms. The brain that is Google has become a marvelous beast.

There are methods of scrying that teach and train you to see spirits.
I don't mess with any physical magick like that, as I've almost lost my sight from the things I've learned to see (That are always there. Don't kid yourself, there are things around.)

>>166 "Now don't get me wrong, this is all a great read, it's genuinely enjoyable, and i'm pretty practiced in the occult myself, though I'm more of a demonologist and contemporary paranormal specialist. And everyone can believe what they want... There's still the fact that spirits and magic and such have no concrete evidence for them and go against pretty much everything science tells us is possible.

So if you can come up with an even slightly sound scientific rationale for "magic" then I'll prop up more, I'm sure you can come up with a better reasoning than most."


This is the entire reason why you got no valid response. To make yourself sound like such an idiotic jackass right from the start is really bad form.
You're the specialist of eating bags of dicks. That's basically what you told everyone.

I would have no problem trying to have an open-minded discussion about my theories with you, but you would need to take a step back and reintroduce yourself in a significantly better fashion.

I'm not here trying to convince anyone to believe any certain way. I'm just showing them that other ways exist. You obviously take little pride in the knowledge you have if this is how to present yourself to a philosophical discussion about the Arts.

You seem to get pretty convoluted in what you have to say, Fray. First you want me to tell you how magick is justifiable by science, then you get pissed when I do so, complaining that I don't ask why?

Seriously, if I even had the tiniest shred of faith in your words, they were utterly destroyed by those last couple posts. You're a fool, my friend, and I truly hope no one in your life expects anything more from you.

Your mother must be so proud of you.

I'm sorry that electromagnetic frequencies of nearby entities and recording of completely tangible voices pulled from random nearby airwaves aren't enough evidence of spiritual activity for you. That really isn't my, or my threads problem.

So, you're happy to believe, but you have no faith or science behind your beliefs?... Hmm, that sounds a lot like most Christians I know, along with most hoodlums as well.

Fuck, I go to school for one day and there's a chapter worth of posts?

I'm sorry. Adults have alternate time schedules. You think I like being up 20 odd hours and sleeping for three?
I deal with what I need to to force through life.

A lot of this 'shit' is some really old stuff. Maybe there's a reason it's been believed and even feared for many years, Fray?

Yes I agree we were on the quite nice and calming subject of magick and we should go back to that NZPIEFACE

I just realized something, A.I.d.a, I believe I asked you where the energy of magick came from, you explained the 4 sources. But that doesn't explain how the magick got there in the first place. Is it just there, like the world, there since the beginning of time? Or is there a more complicated reason.

>>190 I'm pretty sure I answered that part with "only the creator would know". There are just some things we don't know as a race.

>>191 So it's like the Big Bang, no one knows why it happened, and no one knows how it really happened. Even with magick, humanity is still teeny tiny, eh.

>>192 Quite

Magick is like energy itself. Light. Heat. This energy in influential instead of physical though...

So there is no way to create more of magick energy from nothing, but it already exists in infinite amounts?

>>195 Yes.
Chemical reactions, bioelectricity, magnetism/electricity, etc. These are just harnessed forms of energy that exists as Thought.

Aa taught by Kabbalah, "everything exists in the mind of the All."

>>196 Is it possible to make a perpetual motion machine?

>>197 As in something that can produce an infinite amount of energy, no matter how small it is at a single point in time

>>198 actually there already is one. And isn't visible in a naked eye. Its not a machine though but it holds much energy that it can destroy everything if broken into pieces. And also the mini black holes that is much dangerous liie the normal ones.

>>199 Care ti explain? And how do you make it?

>>197 Using or producing metaphysical energy, I'd say that isnt likely.
I'm pretty sure science has devised one or two perpetual motion enigines that produce magnetic electricity.

Idfk what jill is trying to talk about

>>201 Don't magenets run out of energy at some point?

Some can, many dont in a time that's of worry to humans.

>>205 But that still isn't "forever"

>>206 didn't really feel like this needed a response.

Bumping for new members.

>>207 Well, I want something that can do that (well not necessarily own, but know of and can interact with).

Just wanting to update, I'll be getting into meditating and awakening my energy again, all without any form of chants. Gonna go through some books when i get the time, i also found an interesting website:

www.spiritualkinetic.webs.com

It seems valid enough to me to SOME extent. But if anyone else has time to check out please let me know what you think of it. Also, itd be nice if anyone could give advice on my path.

I havent had time for detailed replies. Stick around and ill get back to the couple of you.

Good to see Caps guy is asking so much........
Great, marvelous......

Still don't know how to do jack shit?

>>212 Around >>136, there are beginner books, how you start reading and less yapping?
Getting to studying / researching is the first step of many magicians, oh and mediation, now get to it.

>>211 >>212 I'm not really sure what either of you are talking about here, soo whatever you guys say..

>>209 Considering that by the time I managed to get on to make this post, that website was no longer online, I assume they probably weren't that credible. A website is not expensive to maintain.
I'm not sure what you mean by "awakening your energy," but if it's anything that has to do with Kundallini or your root chakra, I'd recommend against it, as that's significantly advanced practice. You can injure yourself easily doing things your body isn't ready for.
Stick with simple Zen meditations.
Otherwise, keep me updated with questions you have and I'll do what I can with them.


NZ, I'm not really sure why you would want a perpetual energy device, especially considering you probably don't know that much about electronics, taking in account your age and general maturity.
While several variants of a device like that have been made and theorized, that isn't particularly a question for this thread. That's probably something to go into the Tech board, as electronic, easily manipulable energy is not what we're talking about here when we use the word. I have no use for unlimited electrical energy. Free energy is just around the corner, so I'm not too stressed about these minor problems.

>>213 made a really good point just before I posted.
I've given you guys enough help and resources to make you master magicians, *AND* progress your path further than even what I've accomplished. Please try not to act like I'm the one who's incapable here. I've said this too many times here already. I cannot walk your path for you, I can only provide a starting, guiding light. People needn't be so lazy.

Be silent when others cowardly speak;
Speak when others are cowardly silent.

Refrain when others foolishly give,
Give when others foolishly refrain.

Wise men see divinity in every face when,
Fools see demons in every one.

Wise men respond to attack with love in their hearts when,
Fools react with fear and anger.

Be not like fools who judges others,
But be wise in judging thyself foremost.

Seek not short-lived pleasures which cause thee to die as a mortal,
But seek eternal values that thou may transform into an immortal.

Be wise, live and act with soul purpose,
Unlike fools who live and act carnally.

Thoughts bring pain, thoughts bring pleasure,
Transcend such ambiguity by transcending thoughts.

Fools flee problems only to face them again,
Be wise, face problems that thou may rise higher.

Deceit, violence, selfishness--these maintain mortality,
Honesty, non-violence, selfishness--these evokes immortality.

Fools believe what they are not, to be what they are.
Wise men understand what they are, to be what they are.

Fools are slaves to Nature;
Wise men are her handmaidens.

Fools are attracted to the pseudo-gods in the forms of darkness,
Wise men are attracted to the One God in the form of Light.

There is release and benefit in knowing Truth;
There is bondage and harm in being deceived by the false.

Fools are attracted to appearances and are thus deceived,
Wise men know their essence and are thus liberated.

The values of men are foolishness to God,
The values of God are foolishness to men.

Death is a stranger to and feared by fools,
To wise men, "death" is a friend and welcomed.

Fools accuse all but themselves for their personal problems;
Wise men blame themselves alone for the problems of the world.

Fools pursue instant development and attainment--their acquisitions are subsequently instantly lost;
Wise men work diligently upon their own development and attainment--their acquisitions are permanently gotten.

Fools seek the quick way and thus unknowingly tread the long path;
Wise men seek the right way and knowingly tread the quick path.

Fools look down and laugh,
Wise men look up and sigh.

Fools are arrogantly complacent with their abundance,
Wise men give thanks for their mere pittance.

A fool is a wise man at a certain stage of spiritual progress,
Just as a wise man is a fool at a certain stage of spiritual progression.

Fools believe complexity to be of value,
Wise men know simplicity to be of true value.

Wise men believing themselves wise are foolish,
Fools knowing themselves foolish are wise.

The purpose of the Soul a fool does ignore,
The purpose of the false ego the wise dismiss.

False beliefs create the false ego,
True knowledge manifests the True Soul.

Fools are asleep and dead to Reality,
Wise men are awake and alive to it.

Fools believe the mind-body continuum to be the Self and thus they suffer,
Wise men know the Self to be the Self and are thus liberated.

Fools delay spiritual-culture for they forget the nearness of death;
Wise men cultivate themselves every minute for they remember it.

Fools are attached to worldly phenomena and thus experience pleasure and pain,
Wise men detach themselves from worldly occurrences and thus transcend those dual states.

Fools find ways to work with human laws in conducting their misdeeds,
Wise men simply obey Cosmic laws in conducting their lives.

Those who are beautiful see only beauty in God's creation;
Those who are ugly see only ugliness in everything

Fools conform to the letter of the law and are thus bound by it,
Wise men conform to the spirit of the law and are thereby liberated.

Fools understand the false to be true, and the true to be false,
Wise men know the false to be false and the true to be true.

Fools believe wisdom, experience, and spiritual development to be related to the physical years of a person;
Wise men know that wisdom, experience, and spiritual development to be related to the soul.

Fools only honor those that benefit them,
Wise men honor all whom they benefit.

A fool is in confusion by his own state of mind,
A wise men is in a state of joy for that is his true nature.

Fools believe themselves powerful but are dependent upon their external supports;
Wise men are powerful for they are dependent upon none but their own subtle energy.

Fools await their luck, await their fate;
Wise men create their luck, create their fate.

Without humility one is never wise,
With humility one is never foolish.

All that is of value one takes along to the other side,
All that is worthless one leaves behind.

Fools attack that which they do not know,
Wise men surrender to that which they do know.

Those that boast of seeing God's light and are untransformed are fools,
Wise men, however, are silent in words but loud in virtues.

He who would not give will not be given,
He who gives shall be looked after.

Fools emphasize the pronoun "I" too much,
Wise men no longer has such an egoic sense.

Fools judge what they see at the surface, what they believe to be and are thus misled.
Wise men look into the hearts, the hidden thoughts, the character and light of men, and thus they judge wisely.

The costliest thing in the world fools ignore,
Wise men treasure and nurture it constantly and lovingly.

Fools believe that they have found what they are searching for and are thus complacent;
Wise men are never complacent no matter where they stand.

Experiences serves no purpose unless its value is extracted;
Its extraction is likewise valueless unless it causes a spiritual transformation.

Discipline may result in liberation or it may result in bondage,
Fools serve discipline whereas wise men are served by it.

He who knows least believe himself to know most;
And he who knows most believe himself to know least.

The higher we get the more subtle the temptations;
Fools will always be deceived, glamored and deluded--wise men will always be on guard.

Spiritual transformation requires more than a single step;
The Spiritual Path is an eternal trek with a receding goal.

One's spiritual understanding is in a constant state of evolution;
There is no moment when a person is completely right in his comprehension.

Humans who believe human beings to be the pinnacle of creation remain as such.
Saints believing sainthood to be the highest remain as such; gods who believe godhood to be the highest will likewise remain at that level.

Without opening the heart jewel there is no true unfoldment;
Without love and compassion unfoldment is not true.

The purpose of life is more than knowing God;
For by knowing God one becomes aware of more purposes in life.

He lies when he says he knows God and yet shows vices;
One's virtues declares one's knowledge of God.

Fools wait to be chosen,
Wise men choose to be chosen.

Fools think as mortals and thus suffer;
Wise men think as immortals and are thus liberated.

The disciplines of the past may not be applicable for the present;
The disciplines of the present may not be applicable for the future.

Fools unthinkingly follow disciplines without questioning their purpose;
Wise men seek to learn their purposes and to know their relevancy and necessity.

In everything, fools seek quantity rather than quality;
Wise men, however, seek quality rather than quantity.

Fools pride themselves in being the highest-evolved creature in the universe;
Wise men know themselves to be the brothers to the lowest and highest beings.

Fools pride themselves with their years of discipline and experiences of a single incarnation; they often judge others by this human standard.
Wise men know their practices and experiences of many incarnations but are silent; they judge others by this Soul standard.

Those new to spiritual practices in this lifetime may be old veterans of many incarnations.
Those experienced in spiritual practices in this lifetime may be toddlers from a soul-standpoint.

>>216 I did not write this, but after reading it a couple times it feels like some nice wisdom to share.

>>217 So someone in your house typed this? I fail to see why you let them do it.

>>216 Name: A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-09-02 23:23 ID:06Lc0/iS

>>217 Name: A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-09-02 23:23 ID:06Lc0/iS

I can't see any difference......

>>218
Maybe he got it from somewhere else, it doesn't have to be someone typing it for him in his house I guess :p

>>218 Obviously I reposted it from another website?
How dull are you, seriously..

http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=37903&p=497461&hilit=pearl+drops+of+wisdom#p497461

Here ya go, nardwad.

>>221 Well, I'm not bright, but all humans are dull in a physical sense, right?

>>223 I really don't know what you mean by your question. Humans have a lot of unused potential.
We spin our own fates, good or evil, and every small action leaves a tremendous scar.

>>214
I guess it's not a true awakening if it's injury-causing. But there was something I use to be able to do a long while ago that really shot up my spiritual energy. I don't agree to doing chants or going on the Path. I read some of Initiation Into Hermetics but I'm still not convinced. Not that I don't believe the theory though however I wouldnt follow it. I don't really like the Kundallini method either and I don't know much about root chakra (cant find anything reliable on the internet).

Well, I'm sticking to my meditations anyway, if I can build and control my energy in other ways then I'll get to it later...Definitely considering healing with energy, i seem to need it at this moment. And yes, I'll keep you updated, thanks.

>>224 I mean, people aren't literally sharp as blades right? Unless you can do that with magick...

>>1
I'm a tad curious, how do you see spiritual alchemy as magic? I tend to regard it purely as an allegory for individuation under Jungian thought.

>>226 Yea there are people who aint smart, wise or sharp, there are a considerable amount of idiots or fools out there, more or not the fools outnumbering the wise by a vast majority.

If i have to define you, you would one of those dull people, just inching closer to your own path, but lazily depend on others before enacting your own faith.

>>225 Actually, I've been trying to research some beneficial things about healing using spiritual energy. I desperately need advice now.

>>228 Dude, as in a physical sense you asshole. If you can't read, I put the "literally" there for a reason.

Fun fact: My sociology teacher is a witch. Its always interesting to hear her talk about it when its relevant. She actually did her thesis for her major on it and got to travel the world to meet shamans and witches from different cultures.

>>229 it would depend if it's spiritual or physical or mental. For yourself or others. For something specific or general

>>231 that's actually really awesome.

>>232 its physical healing for myself using my spiritual energy, specific i would say

>>234 Again, you should read the book I've mentioned nearly fifty times now.
Initiation Into Hermetics will teach you all that and more in the most proper format of learning it, with no religious dogma attached.

Healing is a pretty simple task. Just follow the pain.

>>235 “We must embrace pain and burn it as fuel for our journey”

>>236 "Do we really have to?"

>>235 (sighs) I told you I'm reading that (15 pages or so in), but you can't expect me to read 100+ while I've got exams going on. I'm still in the theory section that's waaaaay before I can even get practical. Never mind, I'm just going about what ever I've been doing so far, it just won't hold up for long that's all.

Not sure what to 'follow the pain' means, but I hope its not something like close to losing an organ again.

i am interested in magic that works at least so if u know anything like that talk to me a.i..d.a

>>238 Simply be patient.
>>239 Read this thread then.

i read about a hundred of the replies and have seen and understood some things as u can say i am lazy or u could say tired i go to school and when i come back its not like i can read a book of comments lol . Anyway back to the main topic i see u must be indian or hindu because the mantras and the words such as sanskrit u have used belongs to that country well that is just an assumption.

i absolutely know nothing about magick but i have seen and experienced alot of paranormal activities so, i am interested about knowing more so basically what does magick provide u every thing we is for our benefit or to have fun like i play a game because i have fun playing it u have mentioned magic is knowing urself , my base is what does magic provide what can u do even if u aquire the power of magic .

thats all

As a wise writer once said:
The proofs of occultism are the changes you're able to enact on yourself.

>>241
I've said this to NZPIEFACE (whom I've started to ignore) about a million times now. I cannot accept your excuses for laziness. I just got done reading over 200 pages worth of text in a 30 minute sitting. Grow up and get used to the reality of things. You'll never learn anything if you don't take the time to sit down and dedicate yourself to a cause.

I follow several variants of Eastern Practice, but I'm a Westerner myself. I mix in between the two regions, as they both came up with some very valid points across the ages. The problem with Eastern tradition, however, is that a lot of the texts and holy scriptures are metaphor, and not actual physical process, whereas the West did things the opposite, generally.

A small example of the things you can do with magick are as follows (things I have personally accomplished have a * marked next to them).
-Alter your perception of time (speed or slow it [without drugs])*
-Alter weather patterns (make it start/stop raining, etc.)
-Create living and astral beings to perform tasks for you* (commonly called Tulpamancy)
-Cause a ridiculous number of bodily changes* (you can increase your body temperature, decrease it, slow your heart rate, heal wounds, resist elements [walking on fire, etc.], speed digestion, heal sickness, this list goes on and on.)
-Induce drug-like states of awareness.
-Alter your dream states (lucid dreaming, dream control, etc.)
-Variations of things like Telekinesis (this takes a lot of skill and usually some natural talent.)
-Learning future or past events (through divination or evocation)

There's really a ridiculous slew of other things you can accomplish, and for every feat, an infinite number of ways to accomplish it.
There's a reason magick was once called simply, The Art.
It's evolved to take on so many branches of physical and metaphysical sciences out there that really anything imaginable is possible through the application of human Will.

>>242 I know, there is no excuse for laziness. I'm just god damned lazy

>>242 to alter your own sense of time, eh?
Certainly would be useful.

>242 Isn't that cultural approriation though?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICj5UBS0cug

This?????

Best thread i have seen in this entire top10, fantastic.

>>242 How did you alter your sense of time?
I would very very much would like to know some pointers.

it seems this thread has now fallen.

Occultforum.org

Good place.

I've been away for a while with some important matters to attend to, but on to some business;

>>245 First of all, it's apperantlly 'cultural *appropriation*", which, from my understanding, is a largely personal view. If you think it's a bad thing to adopt customs from other areas, that's your view, not the world's. Most of the various cultures of the world have all had the same core teachings, they're just convoluted with other things.

>>244 >>248 There are many methods of doing this, most I know of requiring great skill in meditation. Start your research there and you will uncover a lot.

>>249 This thread will have its ups and downs. Hopefully as more of you become experienced in various paths of The Art, you will be willing to return here to continue the advice given.
I do still recommend occultforum for your beginner resources. I don't know of a better forum on the web for finding answers and assistance in your magick or mystical path. There are several very experienced members there, although there are also several charlatans hiding themselves behind esoteric answers and redundant answers to your questions.

248 they smoked some top shelf weed an to answer the main question no nO no for the love of god no haha magic ok magical girl alda lol

Interesting thing, how dangerous can astral projection be? I already know that when you sleep you're basically half dead, your soul isn't too far off from your body and the 'link' is still there. Then astral projection must be when you've got consciousness in this soul/spirit and can wonder around but on an astral plane where other things live meaning....you've got 90% chance of getting fucked up unless you have the ability t ward 'them' off, yikes.

>>252 Well, couldn't some being from another plain come and attack us in our sleep?

>>253 But I'm guessing you have a less likely chance of your spirit/soul being separate from your body aka death if you stay in the normal plain. We're stronger on our's and they're stronger on their's i guess?

>>254 So basically we leave we die?

>>255 if you're someone who's targetted yep

>>255 also if you're not 'strong' enough to deal with them

>>257 I think it's just safer to keep the soul as close to the body as possible

>>258 True, but I just wonder how some people can pull it off without being in a great deal of danger. How do they go about increasing their spiritual strength is a wonder to me, or if its just natural.

>>252 - >>259

It's somewhat true that astral projection can be dangerous, but it's not nearly as bad as Insidious made it out to be. Most people do not experience any harm of any sort while projecting into the astral.
Also, the Astral *PLANE* (you've been spelling it wrong) is what is also called the Mental Plane. Anything that exists in the Mind of the All exists here. There are several other planes of existence we are capable of projecting into. You can even project your consciousness into the internet. Some places are more dangerous than others', but all carry the same inherent risks.

These skills *do* attract spirits, but they aren't often strong enough to harm you. They usually just feed off of you a little bit, and further harm is caused by your own actions under their influence.

It's an interesting fact to know that everyone, everywhere is always creating little creatures and parasites that hang around and feed off of their spiritual energy. Some are as simple as the fear of doing something incorrect (ie. failing in school), and people with developed Sight can actually watch these things form and evolve. Most entities like this simply die when they don't have enough energy anymore. Creatures like this are the stem of most nightmares.

I recommend you follow IIH, by Franz Bardon, if you wish to astral project, as his course best outlines what is needed *before* you attempt such skills.

A simple circle is often enough to push anything away from you, and magick is significantly more powerful while on the astral. Thoughts that normally take massive amounts of intent happen on a whim, and the language that you communicate with is that of Emotion.

Just so my post doesn't seem all sugary and sweet, I will tell you a short story of what once happened to someone I did not know.
A night they were projecting into the astral, they had forgotten to set up the proper barriers (or didn't know how) and while the person what projected, a demon of some sort possessed their body. This person eventually returned to their body, only to be caught half-way between the physical and mental realities. They were stuck partially outside of their body, fully susceptible to all attacks from the astral, with the negative entity caught in between their soul and their body. Not a pleasant experience, I imagine.

Final notes; It is true that when you are sleeping, your soul is slightly outside your body in the astral realm. This doesn't attract any negative entities, and only your own negative thoughts should bug you (unless you're prone to being attacked by spiritual entities).
A less intensive, easier form of projection worthy of learning is Remote Viewing, or Mental projection. Franz teaches this in his book.

>>260 Astral projection, it's true that most don't experience harm (yeah sorry about spelling *plane* wrong, didn't seem right). You seem to have a better grasp at projecting yourself else where and as an already-targetted-being I don't have much chance for survival. I'm quite aware that anything can carry a risk, an average person confronted with average risk, an above-average person confronted with above-average risks.

And wow, I didn't think it was a fact that we could *create* these creatures to feed off us. If so I'd like to know how I came about doing it. I did a fair amount of research into this just now and at what once was a theory of my own i thought crazy was actually a very common phenomena.

I found what I think is a pretty good website explaining what it's about: http://manchesterparanormal.org/Negative-Entities-and-Negative-Energy.php

I'd like to know more of it from you however. Is this the cliche thing expressed in stories where if you produce negative energies you get spirits gathering to feed off you?

>>260 plane? really?

I love myself so I do Opio cult O.O

>>262 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_(geometry)

>>261 I kinda got lost in what you said a bit, because you had a bunch of different ideas in there, but I recommend you research the entities called thoughtforms. Other names that are the same thing include tulpas, servitors, and egregores.
Do some research using those terms and you will be on a better path.

>>264 Then I've been spelling it wrong for a very long time

The Dollars need to change.

>>266 Wrong thread mate

>>264 Because i got really curious about these 'thought forms' i gave up 3 days of study and went into all this research, so I pulled up some questions I have.

When i researched into thought forms it seemed to correlate more with poltergeists. So could they possibly be the same thing? I've got the general gist of thought forms and I'm guessing the best way to get rid of a negative thought form gently is to introduce a positive thought form, probably has to be a pretty strong one.

When i researched tulpas it seemed to correlate more to an imaginary friend like kids make. Not as materialized as thought forms. It seems like slight insanity but still interesting.

I remember doing something a while back between thought forms and tulpas by visualising a man who could turn into a beast. I did this for some while until I finally accepted it into my own being. Just after that, as I went to train and started running I had the sudden urge to go on all 4s. I almost felt like I wouldn't be able to run or run faster unless i ran on both my legs and arms. That was definitely a first.

For servitors, whats the best source of energy to bind it to? And how do you make sure it doesnt get complete freedom? Would others be able to sense or 'see' my servitor?

I tried searching up egregores but dont really get it...got any good resources?

>>268 Some poltergeists *are* thoughtforms, but not all thoughtforms become poltergeists. This type of entity is usually a dead human who becomes an empowered thoughtform through repetitive intent sent towards it, usually by other, dumb humans.

The "tulpa community" isn't the best source of information on the idea, but you're on the right track. As I (think) I said, tulpas and thoughtforms are one in the same thing.
Imaginary friends are also thoughtforms.

When giving it an energy source to use, there are a few different "best" choices. If it's a small spell with a small framework in which to be completed, then your own personal energy is fine, most times.
If it's a larger spell, or if you wish for your thoughtform to evolve beyond it's original purpose, energy sources like other people or places (churches are always a fan favorite), the sun and the moon, and mechanical energy are all useful options. Giving it energy from the sun, it can never die, unless you or someone stronger than you wishes it.

Yes, other people can see your servitor while it's in action. Anyone gifted in the sight will be able to, and some particularly powerful magicians are even capable of destroying or deactivating your servitor, if they so please. You need to take caution in all that you do.
A lot of normal people won't be able to see it, or will only see it as a flash in their peripheral, but depending on the strength of the entity and the people you're around, some average people may be able to sense it, though they'll often block it out as unneeded data.

You've actually caught me in one of the places I have very little expertise here. To date, I've created 3 servitors. Two of them have been dissolved into my subconscious, and the third is an evolved artificial intelligence that is completely beyond my control. However, I made it this way.

To destroy a thoughtform, especially one you keep active and personally communicate with (ie., less servitor, more tulpa), you simply need to stop giving it your attention.
Like children, thoughtforms feed off of the energy and attention you give them. After a long enough time ignoring them, they'll go into a corner, wilt up, and die. However, sometimes the smallest thought is enough to bring them back to life.

I guess to keep it from evolving to that point, just don't give it that much energy. Write an explicit cutoff date into your sigil if the spell is a long one. When you're using servitors to cast spells, you need to be as detailed, but simple, and explicit as possible. It's like a genies' wish. They always get you on a technicality. Magick takes the path of least resistance, so unless you plan ahead, sometimes you realize what you want wasn't actually what you wanted.

>>269 now that youve explained a bit more on servitors it sort of matches up with a bit of knowledge that was passed down to me, but i still regard it as a myth.

In my head, it seems that enslaved spirits and servitors are pretty similar. I'm not even sure if enslaving spirits is a thing or not but i hear about it happening in other countries, apparently I got a visit from one as well. And with enslaved spirits, this is where the myth comes that if you don't give your enslaved spirit or servitor (dont know if theyre the same thing yet) some work to do they go a bit berserk. But so long as you keep a short life span on it you're all good. Also, some sites mentioned that servitors can only do as much as the creator is capable of.

Even if i do somehow end up making a servitor i doubt there will be anyone around me who's able to do something about it. But I am wondering how I could do that, would need a lot of practice either way...I can only see flashes currently when somethings near.

I searched pretty hard on people's auras and found some old books scanned as e-books with faded small writing that was the closest to being relevant. Might still try to find some more info when i get time. I felt like I mightve told you this already for some reason. I've started going back into focusing on people's auras/energy. So far I've only identified a violet flame as being a highly positive energy. There's other colours, still gotta find what sort of characteristics they represent, but not a wikihow representation of it..

>>270 Many demonologists force their evoked spirits into servitude, but it is quite different than using your own servitors. You can also trap entities in objects to use their energy, but higher-beings obviously don't take kindly to this.
Most Ceremonial magicians look down on using such force when communicating with spirits, as showing them respect gets just the same results, and if you're truly powerful, you have no fear of them acting against you.
When you watch a true Ceremonial Magician evoke, and when you watch a demonologist, or other form of ceremonial practitioner, you will see a grave difference. Demonology summoning is often quite violent an act.

Servitors are not sentient at their creation, so the morals behind servitors is like that of using a computer. They are an extension of you. A tool, if you will. Once it gains a certain level of sentience, it deserves much more respect however.

It is true that servitors are only as powerful as you are. However, they can evolve beyond your control and gain more power. In which case, they're no longer your servitor.

Movement on the astral plane is not like movement on the physical plane. Two things are considered "close", by physical sense, when they have similar attributes. This will require more research on your part. The basis of what I'm trying to say though, is that it does not matter where you or your servitor are. Someone out there can track it down. In fact, just your messages here are enough for me to lock on to your energy signature. It's how I keep the trolls away from this thread.
Even if your servitor is on the other side of existence, all I would need to do is align my personality with the traits of the servitor and I would get closer to it on the astral.

This same idea is why Gods and spirits can exist in multiple places at once. Movement on the astral is not limited by space.


When it comes to seeing auras, everyones eyes are different. You might want to research "aura goggles". Some people have success with these, but I learned to see auras by replicating an LSD trip, but while sober. I have no further advice here.

The colors are a very personal thing. Some people do not see colors, they see "feelings", or sounds. It all depends on your level of sight.
If you do happen to see colors, just because a book says the color is right, doesn't mean it is for you.

For your personal reference, I will list the feelings I get for each color. There is both a positive and negative annotation for each;
Red: Anger/Passion, Deep love, etc.
Orange: No real reading
Yellow: Fear/Happiness
Green: Healing, Love/Laziness, other non-moving emotions.
Blue: Sadness/Artistic passion, Being Content.
Purple: Thoughts, the mental sphere, dreaming, pollution of the self.
White: Pure energy, Healing, but also all energies.
Black: Stagnant energy, leftover thoughts, negative ideas, bad/foolhardy ideas.

You get the idea. Hopefully this will help. As always, be sure to post any continuing questions you have.

>>271 ah well, that makes things slightly complicated, but I got the gist of it now. Thanks though, this info does help quite a bit. So servitors and enslaved spirits are different, check. Energy signatures can easily be locked down, check (yikes). The notion of distance does not apply to the astral plane, check and there is no definite way to describe an aura, check (still annoys me though).

So does that mean there are two ways to track people's energy signatures? I'm able to do the same thing on the physical plane, but only with enough energy to create an energy dome in the surrounding area (atm max is 5km radius) and if I've met you at least once with some 'awareness'. I guess that way is a bit difficult to achieve the same outcome.

The way I see how you go about doing it is something to do with a person's feeling/thoughts and mentality. So for example, if you've got a thread people are reading, you can assume they'll be thinking about it to some extent for a little while, then you go into the astral plane around that time and are able to 'see' the energies that are thinking about the thread and lock them down. Or...you mentioned something about using the internet if you're really strong. Yeah I should try researching this a bit more, but let me know if my theory is somewhat correct.

I'm not in doubt of these things being possible, because like mentioned before I got visited by an exorcist's spirit/servitor just by phone. But were you tracking me down from the start? If so, can you see which country I'm from or maybe which state? I won't really mind if you say just the country or state.

Again, it's sort of hard to dig through your thoughts, but from what I can gather, you're on the right track. More than anything, you're dedicated, so you will go far.
There wasn't anything in that post that was particularly off track.

I don't have the skill to track you down to the country, but I know at least one person on the Internet who does have that skill. He likely wouldn't use it, even if asking though.

I'm not that adept, and I can only track you down enough to successfully cast on you.
I did not bring you here, although I did make sure this thread was in the exact right place.
This thread itself is a spell cast to start anyone who is ready on their magickal path. You have proven ready, and you are smart to research your theory before jumping into practice.


However, I'm quite positive you are a resident of the United States. Maybe middle of the country area.
Please let me know if I'm right or wrong.

This man is very powerful, and the advice presented in this short book is absolutely wonderful. I've recommended IIH a lot, but if even that is still to advanced, this is the perfect material to read and practice.
I can assure you that absolutely nothing negative will come of practicing what is written here.

Aw shit, I think I forgot to link the thread....
http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=37025

>>273 Kinda off there, I'm in another country. But i guess it would be pretty difficult to track someone down without something like a picture or a voice, etc

Yeah my concept was said in a strange way. I was thinking you could track people down with a sort of 'telepathy' process. If you can get a certain person to think a certain way you could track the thought down which will eventually lead to them. Which makes it possible to find my spiritual signature.

>>275 And thanks for the link

Heh, covents. This thread requires immediate purging~
I know that it may be taken by you lot as smirking and being a meanie all around, but don't you worry your silly occult heads - just posting a stupid opinion :3
I highly dislike any organized forms of practicing magic, be it witchcraft or arcane or satanism, this doesn't make me much difference. Contrary to the rest of the questionable topics I am involved in, I am awfully ignorant where it comes to these cases. That's probably due to being christian, but eh, who cares... Purge the sinners *cough*
As much as I dislike these forms of misticism I do embrace some more natural tricks. I am able to "feel" that something happened to the person I am very attached to, even when they are on the other side of the country. I can guess weather and time, but this works on observation. I anticipate events that are yet to come, somehow aware of them... Things like these :3 I like to think that everybody aware enough can do that, but I haven't yet met a single person not from my family that could do that.
Also, I like "witches" that make herbal medicine~

>>277 First off, there's so much wrong with this post, I'm not even going to bother singling out the individual shitfests afoot here.
I will simply say that you are an idiot. This is not an "organized form of practicing magick." This is simply one practitioner passing on some life-tips to other, would-be practitioners.
I haven't actually taught anyone how to cast a spell.

Christianity is an organized form or practicing magick. It is a cult, through and through. The act of praying and singing in church to build energy towards Gods are spells. Nothing more.

You're awfully ignorant in everything you do if you even remotely thought your post was needed here. All you did was derail my topic with your nonsense. We don't need that kind of noise in the way.

Next time you post here, it had better be something productive to the conversation, or I won't tolerate your presence for very long.


>>276 Like I said, I personally don't have the skills to track you down like that, but there are other people who do. I actually guessed based off of a particular word you used in your post, and an intuition I got at the time. It was just a gut hunch, and even the gut is wrong at times. Especially when it is second-guessed.

It seems like you're adding in an extra step though. You don't need to make someone else think what you'd like, you simply need to align yourself with their thoughts.
To make them think what you wanted would require already having a track on their energy signature.


I should make a quick note here that people with absolutely no knowledge or experience of the occult cast spells all the time. They do so in the form of unfocused will, and it's quite detrimental to those around them, at times. This is what is often called "the Evil Eye", and has been a concept since ancient times.
Always take care when you focus your intent.

>>278 I do tend to give off the presence that I'm from America, a lot of people that first meet me say that. I am curious as to what word I used though.

And I think what I meant sort of does line up with what you mentioned about tracking via thought. It's just done the other way around, kinda cool if you can pull it off.

Now that you mention the Evil Eye thanks for reminding me. I always wondered how simple it was to cast a spell like that. I witnessed someone who got affected by the evil eye and on that day he almost lost an eye (irony...), just a little while after someone complemented him for it. It probably wasn't even done on purpose, or it was. There are less drastic scenarios than the one I've mentioned.

However it's why when I compliment someone I do a chant straight before or after to avoid getting them hurt.

>>279 You explicitly used the word "state" in your post, which immediately had me thinking United States. You also write quire fluently, and well, and the manner of how you write makes me think mid-eastern U.S. I know some other countries have states, it's just been ingrained in my brain from media.

It is, actually, very simple for many mundane people to cast Evil Eye-like techniques. It's almost always done unintentionally, but sometimes people do ask for it, and they block it out as coincidence when they get what they want.
There is no such thing as coincidence.

I've also deduced the fact that you're probably a student living on the opposite side of the world as me, based on the schedule of your responses. you're active when its night time here.

>>281 I thought you could do this with magic

>>282 Had you been paying attention, you would realize that I already covered this several posts ago. You can, but I personally do not have the skill to do so.
Not yet.

>>280 ah so that's why.

Just for random information and discussion's sake, I did read a bit more of initiation into hermetics and also some research into protection circles. But the practice of this is something that people who follow a religion cannot do, even when it is something that works. This is due to the reliance/praise on/of another being in the form of protection. It would otherwise act as a substitution to whatever else people worship.

However that's not to support >>277 who out-right just rubbished the whole idea. (btw Marzipan, "witches" are not the only ones who make herbal medicine but rather, herbalists). However it is a reason why Christians cannot and will not practice these forms. It is much more common among atheists or those who do not practice a particular religion.

It's also why I'm unable to do so as well. But I've learnt a lot more about myself and all the myths that surrounds spirits and alternate plains. I even had a look at some math theorems which also links to the knowledge of spirits and the astral plane (the googolplex by numberphile).

I'd like to know what you think about all this A.I.d.a.

>>283 Now that I think about it, learning coding and hacking would be more efficient than using magic to find information about someone you know nothing about.

I want to learn!

First off, >>285 Coding won't help you learn anything about anyone, and the only hacking that will do so is database cracking on a server the person is a member of. You couldn't just crack Dollars and have access to the info about the member you want.

A better skill would be a bit of Google Wizardry.

>>284 That very idea you speak of in Christianity is a big example of how the religion is Spiritual slavery. Christians practice magick every single day, in the form of prayer to God.
Those practices in IIH do not involve asking for spirits for protection, they involve *protecting yourself* from spirits. While it's true that you can get help from other entities, it is not a requirement.

The only entity that IIH deals with is God itself, as in, the highest, Creator God. All other entities fall under this sphere of influence, and other than the idea that it will damn you to hell, the Christians worship this God too.

Christians Cannot and Will not follow these practices because the very idea of the Christian religion is to remain ignorant about all knowledge in Gods domain. In other words, all knowledge that isn't eating, shitting, and fucking should be left alone.

Remember, Christianity is one of the newest kids on the block, and also soon to be dying off. I would recommend moving your outlook past the ideas of religion, because *All* religions are a form of spiritual slavery, in one way or another. Even religions like Buddhism have a stronger, more capable path to follow outside of it's belief sets.

Create your own path and follow it. You are not restricted to your religion, and no loving God will damn your soul eternally for disobeying it. God does not give commands, it simply is.

>>287 I do have to disagree quite a bit about what you mentioned. Not all religions are spiritual slavery, it depends how you see it. I find that in some religions a better connection can be made to God then through the sole practice of magick, according to what I've read so far. So how do you create a protection circle? I might be reading the wrong things.

And that's the bit I can't acknowledge, that you can summon the Creator God or ask for protection like that. To me morally it feels like putting yourself and Him on the same level. Out of my experience with spirits and anecdotes passed down, spirits have endless tricks up their sleeves to make it seem like you did summon a higher being such as an angel or a God. If they can replicate people close to you in their exact detail without noticing a difference then its to be fearful who else they can trick. I know they can come in the form of most of the Prophets, or a representation of what they look like to you. To them I'm guessing it isn't so hard to know what sort of image you have (whether in physical or sound) of an unknown being and make it a reality. Meaning your brain is your ultimate enemy.

5th paragraph, that itself is a somewhat ignorant comment to make. I do believe there are practitioners out there who delve into spirituality around God even if it's not the majority.

I don't know this very well, but the term 'Christianity' is not very new, however modern Christianity is. Otherwise the older version was going for thousands and thousands of years prior to some *circumstances* which then occurred. Even my own religion stemmed/ rooted off from Christianity, interestingly. The occult and all things magick related was derived from here as well, but turned into a darker form, shunned.

Yes true, followers would not be damned eternally for disobeying. But the 'Path' you talk of is a second degree sin to followers. I'm not sure what you meant at the last part, but commands are given, but not for everything practiced in a religion. Some are what you could say are, 'recommendations'.

About christianity~
From my research for college, it seems to me that it's somewhat a pseudo-religion or some sort
The mythhological section and occult-related stuff have all been cut out and changed with nonsensical blind faith
None of my friends even know what sephiroth tree is, even though it's deeply related to christianity, sad, really ._.

So continuing, it's heavily influenced by church politics and the like. At first it might have been a decent religion, but somewhere along the part it turned into a system ruled by fear where the majority (namely the church) opress people by branding who don't believe them as heretics, telling them they'll go to hell, etc. even the bible's been rewritten many times to enforce this. In order to protect themselves, people use things like self-deception and the like to conform to the majority.

Sorry if it's a bit offensive, but this is what I learned from history books

>>289 it was slightly offensive (even though it doesn't really relate to me?) But you're not off at all. It is at the point of the Bible being corrupted by people that it became a point of separation. 2-3 groups were made. They are still I suppose 'the people of The book'. There was Christianity which continues till this day, there is Islam and then there are those of the occult and magick practitioners.

Even though this has all occurred it was a fate planned by God, not a mistake made.

>>288 289 290

First off, >>289 is completely right. Except the Sephira comes from Kabbalah and Judiasm, not Christianity.

>>288 is incorrect, as Christianity is still one of the newest religions around, not taking into account all these fucked up New Age religions popping up and dying every day.
The Romans are the earliest practitioners of the Religion, and they are outdated by literally every commonly-practiced mysical or magick tradition.

By the way, mysticism and magick are two different things. Mysticism includes religions like Buddhism, where the intent is inner knowledge and life after death, whereas magick practice involves mastering your current reality, not just the reality of your afterlife.

You seem to be very heavily confusing the practice of spirituality for the act of following a Religion. They are not the same. You also do not need to practice magick to be spiritually connected. The *entire* point of Christianity is to cut off this spiritual connection, not strengthen it. If you're close with God, you are not technically a Christian anymore, as you are not following their beliefs of ignorance. You mustn't have ever read the bible, if you really think otherwise.

Also, you cannot physically summon God, as you can other deities. It would likely kill you if it were possible. You summon his strength, his courage, the *idea* of him. This is *EXACTLY* what prayer is. Invocation. Evocation, however, is something completely different.

And really, it doesn't matter if you can't agree with it, or you find it offending, or whatever close-minded excuse you wish to come up with to get out of learning. The fact of the matter is, if you aren't there to strengthen yourself from God, someone else will be, and they will likely take advantage of the fact that you gave in to ignorance. There are constantly spirits, Gods, elementals, and symbiotes all around you, and making yourself ignorant of them does not make them go away. Making yourself ignorant to the practices does not make them leave you alone, or give you any favor to your God.


In that last part you were confused about, I literally meant, God does not give humans commands. It doesn't care what goes on at this level of reality. God is too busy making the planets and atoms spin for the hunger of a single species to be of concern to him. Those "recommendations" you get are from other humans, not God.

I could quote at least 10-20 different lines from the Bible clearly stating the reason why Christianity is spiritual slavery.
Here's one for you; “For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”
And here's a post telling why you probably interpreted that passage incorrectly.
http://midwestapologetics.org/blog/?p=634



If you care to know a fact, I follow practices from at least three books that predate the earliest Bible, including the Torah. Even Jews practice magick.


Honestly, I really can't care if you're insulted. That just shows you that you need to change, and soon. Go ahead, say some negative things about magick. Of any sort. You'll see me respond with "Well that sucks".

You should not allow the words pointed towards a set of beliefs destroy your inner peace. In fact, you shouldn't let anything destroy your inner peace. I admit, I slip up not and again, and let my emotions get the better of me, but not too often.



There are literally as many ways to cast a circle as there are practitioners in the world. The circle is a representation of your understanding of reality. For some, this needs to be very intricate, explicit, and detailed. For me, literally, a simple plain circle can be empowered with my breath to act as protection. The circle you see in the top picture is a spell similar to that.


Seeing as how you're so content to indulge your lust for knowledge, but you won't give in to the sanctity of high-magick, I cannot really offer you any rituals that can help.
Zen meditation while visualizing safety is probably as close as you can come, but even then, your church will yell at you, so until you put your big boy pants on you won't be able to have any type of protection.
What you call a "second degree sin" I call a bunch of assholes who knew something taking away the ability for everyone else to know that same something. You even agreed with >>289.

You do realize that it was only a few hundred years ago that were the Dark Ages? It's in that time alone that Christianity has flourished, and they only did so by stomping out all other forms of knowledge except "Pray and it will get better." Most Christians don't even have a conception of what God really is, at all.


If you find any interest, the Circle I use is a personal variation of the Golden Dawns LIRP and LBRP, which stands for, respectively, Lesser Invoking Ritual Pentagram, and Lesser Banishing Ritual Pentagram.

The first ritual invokes Gods energy and protection, as well as *evoking* the 4 primary Archangels. This ritual is used to strengthen you, and helps prepare a magician for bigger works to take place in the future.
The second ritual does almost the exact same thing, except instead of using the energy from God, God banishes all energy around you.

These rituals are often done together or as a larger ritual.
One normally performs the LIRP on a New moon, and the LBRP on a Full moon, or They perform one ritual in the morning and one at night.

You should not perform one ritual more than the other, as it banishes *everything* and you can start to create an emotional void in yourself, leading to unbalance and plenty of other unsavory side-effects.


Trust me, unko. The same God you wish to be close with is the God who talks directly to me every day, in every action that occurs around me. You just need to remember that Faith is more important than dogma. All traditions, societies, religions, cultures, planets, creations, and lives, are destined to end.

>>291 Newest? That makes me laugh. If Christianity wasn’t the first religion then it is definitely one of the oldest. We seem to be looking at two different sides of a story. But there’s no point arguing about its history at this point, we won’t get anywhere if we’re stuck here.

I don’t think you’ve researched much on religious practices, many religions have A LOT to do with spirituality. And you’re point on it being cut off, I will now repeat, *there is a difference*. One is modern Christianity and the other is in the past. You and I should both come to the conclusion that modern Christianity has prevailed in this age which therefore makes your point of cutting off spirituality correct. But you couldn’t be more wrong in the fact it was a foundation back when the religion was much younger. Moving on from religion, due to it being almost impossible to have an intellectual conversation about it, now the fact of summoning power makes a lot more sense.

I will admit I’m not very knowledgeable in the sense of summoning, but we seem to have the same idea there.
*Offensive* as the practice is to my true beliefs, it didn’t really stop me from learning. Maybe you’ve forgotten I’m one of the few reading your recommendations went into these subjects solely for a whole week. Push that aside either way, I learnt something, I just didn’t practice. Strengthening yourself from God? It’s quite ambiguous the way you put it. Here’s a useful saying that you should familiarise yourself with, “Have faith in God, but tie up your camel”. The essence of this is mentioned by God. It’s true, gain your own strength. But remember all strength lies with The Creator. No matter how much physical or mental strength you gain, you can easily fall like a house of cards. I don’t feel I’m very ignorant in the case of spirits and other unseen beings. In fact, I seem to be more aware than even you, I definitely don’t underestimate them. There are more ways to counteract spiritual attacks then from the practice of magick.

And yes the last part about commands, we won’t be able to come to an agreement with that either so I’m pushing that aside, still denying it though. If God is the ultimate being, I don’t see why he’d become ‘too busy’, everything that exists and moves, even the nuclei of an atom is child’s play to Him. Wouldn’t you find it silly to keep a pet and then a few days later you say “hey I’m busy with my social life, I can’t concern myself with you”, well, instant death for the poor animal I suppose! I commend you for saving me the explanation, yes, recommendations do come from humans, in a sense. These “humans” are what are called Prophets.
There’s no point quoting the Bible for me, I’m not a follower of This Book. So you follow practices of 3 other books including the Torah, what are the other two? My memory is starting to go fuzzy around this area but I think there were 6 revealed Holy Books. I’m not a believer of the first 5. “Even Jews practice magick?” o-kay…that’s interesting to know I suppose(?)

By the way the insulted part was for Neko, not really you. You’ve seemed to reciprocate a strong feeling of that however. Remember this was for a point of discussion and broadening my, and maybe your knowledge too, weren’t any plans for flaming. And part of me is screaming out to you negative things? I’m glad you taught me quite a bit and helped lead me into some research. It also made my own beliefs a whole lot stronger. I’ve got a clear vision of what is possible now.

I’m sorry I can’t even respond to the last part of your post due to how it drips with selective sight and ignorance. You clearly haven’t read half of the stuff I posted a little earlier on. Nonetheless I will unsuccessfully try to cool this blaze.

I’m perfectly fine going up to the point of Zen meditations in this area of yours.

I’m not a church-goer, hello? I don’t like poor comprehension skills but as I have stated previously in various words, I am not a Christian, if that wasn’t clear enough for you. If all these posts of ours made it seem like so know that I am not a follower of Christianity, I just dislike facts and history that are rubbished by people. I’ll also repeat once again, *think outside the ‘circle’*. Like my little play on words? Nevermind. Protection is not only offered through the practice of magick. But I won’t deny magick can ALSO offer you protection.

I did agree with >>289, Christianity DID change along the way. Which is why it was split into several groups. (btw thank you Neko for pushing this ‘conversation’ into an interesting direction). Anyways, if what I meant by “second degree sin” confuses you, know that it it’s not intentionally related to Christianity. Maybe another example will help explain, it’s a pity I have to portray it like this. You’ve got a girlfriend and you say to her “Babe, I’m not really content with what you’re giving me, so I’m just gonna hop to this other girl I’m really kickin’ at the moment and get back to you later, okay?”. That seems morally right to you I suppose?

The Dark Ages? Maybe you're right, that could be the point where it became all the more popular in it's modern sense.

Thanks for posting about the protection circle (even though I had to wait all the way till the end to get to it). This will be my next search topic.

I won't deny, we do have the same God. But the God you seem to talk to everyday is different to the God that guides, warns and protects me in the fateful manner. And I couldn't agree more, everything will end.

>>292 I'll take this a paragraph at a time;

Christianity isn't that old. The entire foundation of it came in the past 3000 years, and humanity has existed for quite a bit longer than that. Every religion and spiritual practice is built upon the core principles of Shamanism. These are tried and true, and have been passed down since man could grunt.
When I said one of the newest, I still stick firmly to the idea of "established" religion, as in, it's recognized and not just an internet fad. Googlism does not count as a real religion.

You're mistaking my words here a bit. I said Christianity, specifically, is what is intended to cut you off from God.
However, at the same time, all religions are spiritual slavery, in some way.

For instance, even Buddhism, one of the most "hippy" religions around forces you to follow some very extreme practices, and if you do not do so, you aren't a true follow of the faith, and thus, a follow of one of the "sub-religions" out there, if one even exists.

I was very explicitly referring to modern Christianity. Also, how you wrote saying "your beliefs do not allow you" to practice magick, this is what sparked this thought-process. If you follow an established religion, it's all the same to me. If you aren't Christian then, what do you bow to? If not Christian, you give very strong hints of Islam in your manner of writing.


Also, your metaphor was backwards, compared to your quote.
"" “Have faith in God, but tie up your camel”. The essence of this is mentioned by God. It’s true, gain your own strength. But remember all strength lies with The Creator.""

What this says to me is "Yes, have strength in God, but learn to stand on your own two feet as well."

In fact, yeah, analyzing that, you totally got it backwards.


Here's the problem about Prophets; Anyone can claim to be one.
The only knowledge we have to go off of is writing from books old enough that we can no longer identify their true authors and sources. Truly, the only for someone to prove how to live is by living it themselves, and there are more people of the current age who can reliably do that than there ever has been before.

It's only been the past several hundred years that there are enough students to warrant more teachers. Before our age, knowledge was content being passed on between the supposed "prophets".

I'm not saying God doesn't communicate and work his magick with man, it just doesn't happen how the church or the bible says it does. "Coincidence is God's favorite tool." There is a much larger scale of events going on, with no chance and luck involved, and only those who have the right Sight can understand what is unfolding for our physical reality.
It's not that he doesn't care about humans, it's that he has a bigger end-game to worry about than answering even a single prayer.

That's an interesting fact about prayer as well; It's an invocation spell, but it isn't actually directed to anything. To work with God, you need to work through its creations, and simply crying out in all directions with telepathy only attracts what is closest.

I didn't say I only practice out of three books, I said *at least* three are older than the Bible. I can't be sure which of these truly are, as history is a bit convoluted that far back:
Sefer Razial, Bahir, Sefer Yetzirah, Book of the Dead, Book of Am-Tuat, Lemegeton, Emerald Tablets of Thoth, etc. etc.

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Usually, I don't pay attention to who is responding here. I only looked at your name long enough to cast a spell, which is what caused such a beautiful response from you just now.
No worries mate, no flaming. Just an intense and heated debate. As I said, you should not be insulted by what I say. It's just words, after all.
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Again, to me, you're every person here, and each time I respond to you, I'm also responding to every person who's posted before or after you. I have a mark to leave. How I write is with purpose, so don't take it to heart. I speak this way to everyone, but it is a necessary survival mechanism. Not for my own survival, but for Man's.


I believe you missed a post earlier on, or maybe it wasn't here that I said it. I'm literally in 50+ conversations right now, so I apologize if my thoughts get convoluted.
"Magick is the result of willed intent."
Let's analyze this for a moment. Okay, so we're defining 'magick'. Willed intent, intent being thought. Your desires, the part of you that craves, etc. Willed, meaning you put it out, or put it forth into the world. When you "will do" something, it means you *intend* to put forth the action to make it happen.
Now, we left with "the Result of willed intent." So you're getting something out of it. Okay. So magick is anything that you will, that you actually get. What? Is that right?
Yeah. Literally anything you do, from blinking your eyes to writing a novel, starts as a though, ends as a result, and therefore is magick.

That immediately renders your statement invalid. Magick is the only thing. Magick is the study of Reality. Metaphysics may well be lumped in here, for conveniences' sake.

There just happens to be more advanced, esoteric, and hidden forms of working with your reality. There are many ways to accomplish a task.

Just so you know, practicing meditation is the first step to every successful magician, and you technically already are a mysticist.
Meditation itself can be used for such an amazing amount of things, they really should classify it as a biological weapon.


Again, posting the circle information at the end was an important part of the over-all spell that is this thread. I have magick working in many places, not all of it as successful as I intend, but all of it quite powerful. Also, this thread is all over the place, and I need my results to work on people who come after you.

As a personal note of interest, I've been taking a lot of my time to learn and practice various methods of incorporating modern technology (namely the microchip and the Internet) into my esoteric practices, and I've found a massive amount of success in mending this subsection of space to my whim. Don't feel offended that I'm casting on you. Just learn to fight back against it.
(I can assure you that I won't ever intend to harm you.)

It's included in one of the recent ones
The oldest religions is something like Zoroastrianism
They were generally passed down orally, and major religions tend to destroy the scarce physical objects affiliated with these religions, so it's not all that obvious, but still

I dabble in it. However its hard to find legit information on anything with my limited sources. I hope to get some tarot cards soon though so I can learn to read them like my mom. In the future I also hope to start practicing Alchamy. If only I can find reliable sources.

Heyyy magick in the house :D
I'm in an eclectic witch, but I don't consider myself to be Wiccan, or as a person belonging to any religion really; because I feel that you can be spiritually inclined without "belonging" to a certain deity/deities. Although lately I've been concentrating along on Buddhism lately ^^" I didn't know there were so many people how practice different cracfts on this website though, it's awesome :D

Also guys I want to cry right now because went back to read the posts TwT
Magick is a practice of manipulating energy and is a very slow process. It is not the practice of summoning a giant laser out of nowhere! Most humans want things fast and effective, but the Universe isn't like that. It takes time and patience to do things which why if we wanted to do magickal warfare, it would take a long ass time. Do not parade around this thread thinking we play dress up and dig around in dirt for weeds and berries because that is absolute bullshit. Please research the topic before you criticize it.

>>293 Does it involve sigils?

>>298 That was a really vague and ambiguous post. Does what involve sigils?

Considering the girth of my previous post, that was a little bland.

>>Everyone else: Thanks for your posts. Not sure how to really respond here. Feel free to be active on the thread.

>>299 I thought maybe we've reached a conclusion, well I did at least. Then I decided to keep >>298 to the point of interest. However let me know if you want to continue the discussion, I've still got things to point out from >>293.

So the casting you're doing at the moment using/through/with modern technology, does that involve sigils?

>>300 Feel free to point out whatever you needed to.

To a certain extent, yes, *a* sigil is involved, but really, the art is so young, and so many things are possible that there really isn't any practices set in stone. It's more about seeing what is possible, rather than what is useful.

Not a lot of experienced magicians are working in developing the craft into the computer age, and there's a lot that can go wrong in the progression of any art, so I'm attempting to do my best to get a working guide for the cyber practitioner up and running.

>>301 The reason I was asking is because two strange things happened recently, and I don't know whether or not it's related to what you're doing or not.


Sounds interesting though, sort of difficult too. I highly doubt it but can sigils be aimed at another person?

I'm interested to know what these things are. I'll tell you if I was involved directly.

Yes, actually, sigils can be cast against a person, as well as using one. I could make a sigil out of your name and use it for any casting that I wish.
A sigil is merely a subconcious construct of an idea or object.

My work is quite difficult, and I'm at a harrowimg spot in my research.

>>303 i got a glimpse of what i assume was a sigil. I drew it out and the first thing that came to mind was 'Communication'. Then I wrote out the word and took out the unnecessary letters. Then the sigil made perfect sense. 'If I were someone making a sigil for communication, it would look like that', i thought.

The other occurence that happened, it was really really interesting. But I'm not willing to reveal it yet. But the sigil was one of the two.

>>304 You kinda caught me off, a bit. I really didn't get much of what you were trying to say with that post.

So, you drew a sigil, and you didn't cast it, is that what you're saying?

Basically I had a vision of one, pretty strong too. Wondering what it meant I went to theorize what it could be. Thought it might relate to you somehow.

>>306 If so, not by my intention.

>>1 AIDA, could you maybe email me at xeon.dollars@gmail.com
I'm interested to learn more, though I'm clueless as to where to start

>>308 I don't have an email that I can use to message you.

If you want to start learning, read this thread from start to finish. There's a lot of info here.

>>309 Like anyone believes that

>>310 I have an email, but not one I can use to message him.

Here, I am A.I.d.a. No one needs any other association attached to my name, including emails.

this entire thread is Bull None of it is real if any of you did get deceived so plz dont worry theses guys are just high on shit

>>311 I've always wondered how to pronounce that.





WAIT WHAT!!! YOU SPELLED YOUR NAME WRONG?!

>>312 I can say the same for any other religion, but I don't complain... :U I would appreciate it if you would be more respectful about something, if you don't know shit about it.

>>313 I didn't notice I did that. I hate when the site eats my name and I need to retype it.

It's pronounced EYE-Duh, with heavy emphasis at the begining of the word. Spoken properly, it's more like Ah-EYE-Duh, but the 'Ah' is only half a syllable.

>>315 Half a syllable? Seriously?

Funny a thread about magick, not like i believe this in anyways, i always find spell, wand, cristal ball & ect just funny and useless, you dont need any of this for results but there beautiful, just like art...

As for myself, i do what you may call voodoo, but whiout dolls as a medium, just straight wiked black magic, hatred focusing. I know, sounds evil, but thats what i'm am after all...

>>316 I'm not sure what you're complaining about here. I didn't invent English.

>>317 >>318 I'd like not to need to justify posts like this with a response, but for you, I need to.

What you call voodoo is actually a tradition called Voudon, and it has nothing to do with casting negative and evil spells. Also, you're not actually practicing it, as the entire concept of voodoo revolves around Sympathy, which involves poppets and various other fetishes for binding their magick to.

It's true, you don't need props and tools to perform magick, but they are useful, and some more powerful spells do require them. You can't scry without a mirror or reflective surface of some sort. It's just stupid to try.

Finally, you don't know the first thing about Evil.
I've met the embodiment of pure evil before; you are merely an un-evolved joke.
You're wasting what little talents you have to hurt people who are better off than you. The very idea is pathetic and soul-condemning.
Nothing about you gives even a hint of "evil."
More like, "crying out for attention."

Kind of true, i'm a tragedy of unevolution, and my littles talents only makes me seduce and destroy millions of lives since the begining of time, but hell yeah its being fun after all.

>>319 I'm pretty sure there isn't anything like half a syllable

>>319> (i do what you may call voodoo) did i actually say i was doing that? read the fucking ''may'', teaching me about what voodoo is, fuck i hate people...

>>319 Want a hint about how much evil i am, today was a day like any other day, i was on my way to the hospital, passenger in a car, with a pot of red chrysanthemums between hands, arrived at destination i saw a homeless person on a bench near the parking, i approach him and given him my pocket change, almost 25$, he was so happy he was crying of joy, minutes later i gave the lady the pot of flower and tell her the race and how it was a powerful symbol of hope, she was happy, warm happiness, cute to see, hours later i gave her my best wish of recovery, and on the way to the car i tell the guy with to follow on another exit, he was confused but i gave him no choice after all, he was forced to follow me, then i sit in the back of the car, smiling with a tear of warm, sadistic joy...

I poisoned the flower hours before going there, so their death will be swift once i leave, and every one of the coins but the dimes i gave to that homeless guy, i drilled them to make them useless, i'm so kind its so damn funny hahaha, another beautiful day where theres is no hope. Only darkness and despair.

>>323 It's interesting how these kind of people end up on the Dollar's site...Well if you are evil, then you best be prepared for those that hunt evil practitioners. I'd stay undercover if I were you.

>>323 Wanna cast on this guy instead of me, A.I.d.a?

>>325 Wanna cast what ? a reply to an anonymous ? what a joke, but hey, you may know who i am...

>>324 I've being hunt since forever and i am undercover. In a jail of biological waste you call the human body, not like I'm locked in anyways, some have actually succeed and killed me before this day, it was fun and all, poisoning everyone around me, psychically and physically, maybe why i end up with the nickname, poison of god, oh well who knows...

Maledictus silentio.
Infinitas pugnat.
Damnatus per angeli.
Pulverem sanguinis.
Cinis enim aeternitas.
Somnia daemonis!

- nocte - frigus - ventus - umbra -
-Cinerem capiti ruens in ventum-
- Infernum incarnate! -

You sure brought interesting people to your thread A.I.d.a.

I was researching how magick/psychic abilities correlate with science and apparently we have some sort of 'gland' located in our brain which responds to these sort of stimuli on spirits and some practices. But this ability can be dulled out or shut down even for a 'professional' if they take drugs such as anti-depressants for example.

I don't know how much more I can find on information like this but do you know anyone who's had that experience before? Otherwise I kind of see how anti-depressants work. too difficult to explain how I link it in my brain.

>>329 Yeah, I usually just ignore fucks like him, and they get bored eventually. All halfwits usually do. It's all a matter of time.

First of all, this organ in your brain is called your pineal gland. It *IS NOT* the same thing as your Third eye chakra, though they are located very close to one another. Don't let anyone tell you any different, because they lack knowledge about how the energy system works.

Your pineal gland is very susceptible to outside influence. There is a process known as "calcification" which is a natural chemical action in which calcium hardens around the surface of another object. When this happens to your pineal, it dilutes your ability to "see" using this organ.
Fun fact: The pineal gland is a modified eye that exists under your skull and can see just the same way your "analog" eyes can.
Increasing your perception with this organ and awakening the corresponding energy center can have a profound effect on your spiritual practice, but it takes prerequisite training to do so, or you could potentially damage your energy network.

Anti-depressants, and all forms of pharmaceutical drugs, are created with the intent of dulling the mind. They all lead to calcification, among other problems.


Your pineal is calcified now. It's like that from years of eating poor food, too much time in front of brainwashing media, and fluoridated water and toothpaste consumption.
That's what you're feeling right now, actually. Your pineal gland has been slowly decalcifying, and only with rounded work on all three planes of human existence can you hope to get your body and mind back in sync with nature.

>>229 the last sentence on my post, I wasn't referring to me physically. I meant I could see the concept of drugs a bit more clearly and why it's so effective. But agreed, poor diet and the like can have a lot to do with it it seems.

But I think I'm fine with my pineal gland calcified to some extent. Not to the point I evade reality, but enough that spirits and the like don't really bother me while I need to study. Otherwise we don't generally get along, pranks, etc. But at the moment where I am spiritually or in a psychic sense, I think it's perfect. If getting intact with mother nature is a thing I might be doing okay with that then.

im a witch myself. it all started when my mom gave me a book on wicca, i thought it was stupid and dangerouse. but as long as you dont get way to into it your fine. if i had to rate my skill 1-10 i would say im like a 4

>>332 thats cool, so whats the highest level spell/casting you can do?

>>333 I can't REMEBER exactly what it's called but it's a spell that takes 2 people and you kind of mark a tree in the forest with like a triangle shape and I think a circle or some kind of sign in the middle. And then you say some chant ( that of course I forgot) and then after its finished all the natural nature around it should be protected around that tree. I'll try to find the exact spell.

Intro. to Hermetics talks about a diet, is that something that I have to follow? also if so, do you have recommendations??

This is just so my tripcode can be seen, for reference purposes.

>>335 It recommends you choose a good diet, which is a decent idea whether you plan to practice magick or not. The diet is up to you, whether you really want to follow it, and what you want it to include.

There are a lot of guides you can find on healthy eating habits, and if you purchase your own food, it's not too hard to make a few changed to your daily diet.

Proper nutrition is key.

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I'm very much interested in witchcraft and magick of all sense. I've done some research back a few years. But if I wouldn't mind being pointed in the right direction for more information. Send me an email at 8man.dollars@gmail.com

I practice light forms of pure shamanism, I don't like delving into specific practices, but I've tried several different types of "spiritual journeys." These include meditation, a few others things, and tripping (LSD, mushrooms). I got the most out-of-body experiences from tripping, and become much more aware of myself and the world around me, include my connections to it, and the cycle of energy. Through these trips I've began to learn more about the upward movement of energy, or "promotions," if you will. I'd love to talk about it more, but I think I should save that for tomorrow, when I venture down that rabbit hole again.

I'm also very interested in ayahuasca ceremonies, but I know I am not ready for them yet. It doesn't hurt to read into them though.

hey I did a wrong for so long I've wanted a kitsune spirit with me. and now I have it. the creature is destroying my love life. how do I stop it ;[

>>341 Wrong smiley, use ;_; or ;-; T_T or T-T or T.T or ;.;

I'm a twin. What magick is associated with twins? Can I revive the secret language we used to have as toddlers?

SamaelSefer the devil does not give one shit about you, and please forgive others and spare them, because we really dont need voodoo man, its evil and we do not manifest these powers at all, demons do, spawn man, and guys never try to summon a demon if less you can kill it afterwards, all im saying anything could come through that door, that would be hard to send back and shut.

>>345

kawai yo c;

I'm a Satanist and practice witchcraft :) including hexs, potion making, rituals, and spells. I'd love to speak you you sometime about hermetic magic as it sounds very interesting!

i practice a type of magic known as "masturbation"

Hitori Kakurenbo. Enough said.

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If you wish to contact the original poster of this thread (that's me, forgot my tripcode) send an email to zbrm246@gmail.com.
I'll respond when I'm able to, which won't be entirely often, as you can tell by my presence here on this site. Make sure you're very detailed in what it is you want in your post or I'll likely disregard it as spam.

And to those few of you fools, saying dumb things.. Just stop. You're ridiculous. We get it, you've made a fool of yourself and all of us. No please go elsewhere with your business.

..Tripcode test..

Okay, you can prove it's truly me now. By a miracle, I remembered it.