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Dollars vs. Reality (19)

1 Name: Imitatia : 2014-04-20 09:08 ID:2vWI1Gqk [Del]

Many "what if's" is started to corrupt my mind. What if Dollars recruit more members? What if there are many people who is craving for a change? What if in the future, members of dollars can take over the politics on their respective countries? What if its possible for us to change the world?
I know, many of you guys think that it is "impossible" because of the harsh reality we are facing in.
Even me, I think its impossible but i won't let my pessimistic side eats me me. Even my mother tells that I'm crazy because of my ideas.
Should i give up my ideas and live like a commoner or i should i still believe on those ideas even if there is no guaranteed of its success?

2 Name: BarabiSama !!C8QPa1Mt : 2014-04-20 13:49 ID:o7YaVxEo [Del]

Let me be blunt here. No, you shouldn't give up your "ideas", but you oughta drop the Dollars' name from them. If you want to become big and become something--if you don't want to be a 'commoner' as you say--then you need to step up to the plate and do it yourself. Don't cling onto the name of some damn forum website that just so happens to pull its layout from an anime you like. That's some of the stupidest shit I've heard of.

You want to become something? You got great ideas?

Fabulous. Go out and work on them. Struggle until you get somewhere. But don't take this site so seriously.

3 Name: Blinking!!VVr++Kk/ : 2014-04-21 05:48 ID:KSs0R41S [Del]

>>2 Preach.

Some ragtag group of nerds on the internet aren't going to change the world. Plenty of the people here aren't here for any of that noble shit in the first place. If you want to see change, get to work.

4 Name: MaskSalesman : 2014-04-21 12:43 ID:0rA4Dyih [Del]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm here because I watched a certain amazingly wild show called Durarara and thought to myself at one point, as I do in many anime, 'If this was real...I'd be there'

and guess what? it's real - sure, there are a heck ton of people that have come and gone. But there are really people here who are the dollars. We're a colorless internet gang. Honestly, the only difference I see between this and the prototype created by the author is the scope of this. I'd say the majority of people here don't hail from Tokyo. If you have an idea, you've got to do what it takes to realize it. You're a part of the dollars though right? So you've got all the reason to use that. I've got ideas of my own, I'm working on some at the moment and they're taking me quite some time. I'm not ready yet to present it to everyone but as soon as I am, I will. I don't know about what ideas you're having, but create a thread - if I'm interested, I'll support it with any means I'm capable of.

5 Name: Imitatia : 2014-04-22 01:38 ID:7rtwzD9n [Del]

Thanks for your reply. It helps me a lot tho

6 Name: TheFlyingLion : 2014-04-22 20:47 ID:27hmD1/1 [Del]

I won't be as negative but I will say if you do want to make change at all in whatever you aspire to then just do it. You don't have to hold on to the name "Dollars" but you can hold on to the values you've taken from it. yes it's just a show that spawned a real website from it but you were truly inspired to want to do some good. So just do it.

7 Name: MaskSalesman : 2014-04-22 21:23 ID:0rA4Dyih [Del]

I understand what you're saying TheFlyingLion, but aside from the fact that we can do things, the dollars shouldn't be taken as just an ordinary high fanbase forum. We are the dollars, a group of individuals most of which who truly believe in what I think of as our other motto: 'We can do more together than we can alone'.
It honestly doesn't matter what the source was, the result is what you see here.

8 Name: MaskSalesman : 2014-04-22 21:24 ID:0rA4Dyih [Del]

*aside from the fact that we can and need to do things individually* is what I meant.

9 Name: BarabiSama !!C8QPa1Mt : 2014-04-23 08:05 ID:fNg7HtlP [Del]

>>7 " the dollars shouldn't be taken as just an ordinary high fanbase forum"
It's not being *taken* as that. That's literally what it is. It's a BBS to talk about things you like with people you like in a very, very small community. It just so happens to share the layout of the site from the anime. The missions board itself wasn't even a part of the initial site.

"a group of individuals most of which who truly believe in what I think of as our other motto"
Actually, very few of our members believe in anything like that. Most of the long-term members don't even visit the Missions board on a regular basis; it's mainly anons and users who come one day, post, and leave the next.

You're oozing romanticism like an eighteenth century poet, just with less of a way with words.

Let me put it this way. You want to change the world? THEN GET OFF YOUR ASS, GET OUT THERE, AND DO IT. Instead of roleplaying about "how much power" you and your small group of teenagers have on some website on the internet, GO DO SOMETHING. Don't wait for us. Don't wait for them. Don't waste your time and effort.

Go out there. Donate your time. Donate your well-being. Donate your money. Donate your life. Create things. Become amazing. Become an innovator who has cured the world of fucking sadness.

Oh, I believe it's possible. Anything is possible. But you're not going to accomplish any of it sitting around here and clinging onto the name of some gang from a fucking anime and talking about yourself so high and mighty, as if you actually have some kind of impact on the world as you are.

Could this site have an impact on the world? Sure, of course. Anything can. But in order for it to do so, it needs people who aren't relying on it. Stop relying on the site to drag your asses into the world of community service and vigilante justice because the site itself wasn't made to do that and can't carry you there.

If you want this site to change the world, you guys need to start changing it on your own first. Then, if you still see the site as something high and mighty and worthy from your new ground-breaker perspective, you can come back, convince others to do the same, and try to make the Missions board into the service group of your dreams.

10 Name: THE TALIBAN MAN : 2014-04-23 10:19 ID:Befuy0Et [Del]

is there evere a 100% chance at succsess? there is not unfortunatly but we can still tryour best and make a diffrence even if we arnt the best the littlest things can impact a persons life and change them forever people have doubts but thats up to them all people deserve equale judgment even as hard as it is to do everyone has good and bad in them just overpower the bad with the good i know your probably thinking stop shouting bullshit taliban man but what i say is true now think it over and do something

11 Name: MaskSalesman : 2014-04-23 10:57 ID:9s0g90fQ [Del]

>>9 Indeed I am a modern romanticist amoung many other things. My choice of vocabulary is whatever I find to be most useful in any given circumstance ;) However, the distinction between an arouser and an activist does not limit one to being one or the other.

And in regards to my second quote, I have not been a member far long as you but I find it is a simple sentiment that most people in general believe in! 'We can do more together than we can alone'. It borders on being prima facie, and does not undermine the necessity for indivual effort in any manner.

General Claim: If someone wants help with an idea that I agree with/am interested in and am feasibly capable of, I'm in.

12 Name: MaskSalesman : 2014-04-23 11:17 ID:Ty+InyKV [Del]

On an additional note, the view is in the eye of the beholder and always will be: This site is what we see it as, and what we make it to be. I have been working to change the world in many small and larger way for a while now, that hasn't changed. What has changed is that I now am a member of the dollars, I will use this site to share my efforts and exploits with those here that might be interested and influenced by them. I will use this site for my own purposes to learn, connect, and partake in anything that maybe worthwhile - that's how I view the dollars, and why I openly say 'Long Live The Dollars!!'

note to BarabiSama...please, no comment on that last line, however it rubs you :)

13 Name: BarabiSama !!C8QPa1Mt : 2014-04-23 13:50 ID:o7YaVxEo [Del]

>>10 We're not talking about doing little things to impact a person's life. I'm referring to OP's concern about whether or not we can change the world.

>>11 (my response is paragraph to paragraph) I wasn't talking about your word choice or vocabulary, for that's not particularly exceptional to begin with. I was referring to your mentality. What I said also has nothing to do with being an "arouser" vs an "activist."

The length of your membership has nothing to do with this here. I was not referring to the specific quote, either. I was referring to the connotations of it in this context. You're not going to get anywhere in this group unless you get out there and set an example on your own instead of jumping on the broken-wheeled bandwagon of a group from an anime.

This is exactly the opposite of what I meant. You're saying that you'll join in if someone else comes up with the idea. That's why you're not going to change the world, especially not in a group that mainly shares your morals and limited determination. But regardless, this conversation isn't about you personally. (Speaking of which, my comments in >>9 are directed to the Dollars' populous (and people) in general.)

>>12 No, the site isn't "what you see". A site is a site is a site. It is what it is - not what you "see" it as. The facts:

1) This website has a layout inspired by an anime.
2) 1/19th of the site has an area for doing community service.
3) 1/19th of the site is about helping people emotionally.
4) 17/19ths of the site have no affiliation with anything being discussed right now.

Now. Something that I will say is that the idea of the "Dollars" as a group is actually something beyond this site. This website is just a website. If you want to go do service with a group and call them the "Dollars" and take group selfies while wearing Durarara!! cosplays, go right ahead. But that's not what this site is for (or at least, no part of it beyond the Missions board). The rest of the site has no overarching goal.

You need to stop pretending that this website is anything more than that. You'll be able to accomplish a lot more if you stop putting such high standards on the populous of a site that could honestly care less outside of a few select areas.

And for the record.

I believe in missions and doing good and changing the world. I believe in all that shit. I've always been a huge fan of and active member in the Missions board, trying to weed out the nonsense and bring forth some honest-to-god decent missions. But when you really start to get into it and have spent as much time as some of us have on this site, you begin to understand that seeing the public face of the site as anything more than a BBS isn't going to get you anywhere. You realize that shouting, "Long Live the Dollars!" and pointing to the Missions board just makes a mockery of the entire group and those of us who currently are or legitimately do intend to do something useful, especially when doing so under the name of the group.

14 Name: MaskSalesman : 2014-04-23 16:29 ID:9s0g90fQ [Del]

@BarabiSama if only I had sufficient time to parlay with you :)

The only major injustice in your last post I see needing clarification is this part right here:
"You're saying that you'll join in if someone else comes up with the idea." ...minus the italics
I wasn't saying I would join in or not join in. I simply said If someone has an idea that agree with/am interested in and am feasibly capable of, I'm in.
I'm not putting it to anyone that they should come up with ideas for me to support, I have plenty enough ideas and efforts as it is! There are plenty of people here with ideas/causes that I am intending on, and currently supporting. When I have furthered progress on some of my own (personally contrived) agendas, I will share them here for others who may be interested to recognize and hopefully support. That is not saying that I am expecting or anyway banking on any support, but the option is there.

On a different note, permit me some judgment here, but it seems our ideas of 'changing the world' greatly differ. Infact, anything we do, for good or bad, that makes any noticeable impact can be seen as a 'change to the world'. This is a collective place, and it's not the first for me to be a part of; I am certain that some interactions occuring within this site will make/have already made a 'change to the world' even if we don't see it.

"But when you really start to get into it and have spent as much time as some of us have on this site" ...this is the reason why I brought up the length of my membership here.

And for record's sake, the majority of my posts on any one board do exist on the missions board.

"You realize that shouting, "Long Live the Dollars!" and pointing to the Missions board just makes a mockery of the entire group and those of us who currently are or legitimately do intend to do something useful, especially when doing so under the name of the group."

Perhaps I need more time to grasp the concept, but honestly, I don't :)

15 Name: MaskSalesman : 2014-04-23 17:51 ID:0ke5xJdg [Del]

So it's out there, I should restate what the dollars is from my perspective: '..there are really people here who are the dollars. We're a colorless internet gang.'
I see it exactly synonymous with the dollars in Durarara!
The only difference I see is that we aren't nearly as concentrated in one area...that, and
our phone communication abilities seems extremely limited. But the concept being the same.

16 Name: BarabiSama !!C8QPa1Mt : 2014-04-23 22:35 ID:o7YaVxEo [Del]

>>14 What you do or don't do off the site is one thing, but if you explicitly say that you'll "offer help" with an idea someone else makes on the site, it makes it sound as though you have no intention of starting anything large on your own with regards to the site. That's what my comment was based on.

It's not about my or your idea of "changing the world." I'm referring strictly to the implied context of the OP, which suggests it being something greater than what the site presently does. That automatically rules out the whole "just do nice things every day and you can change the world" belief here. I know what you're saying, but it's not what we're talking about here.

Perhaps you do just need some more time, because you're completely misunderstanding about 80% of what I'm saying. All I want to do is inspire you guys to go out and legitimately accomplish something without holding onto the Dollars' coattail. If you're already out there and doing something, then I don't see why you're even responding to what I said, because it means you're not exactly the demographic my previous rants were targeted towards.

But with my comment on the length of your membership, as I said, it really has no place here. I should have used "experience" rather than "time". There are users who are newer and comprehend it perfectly fine; it's just a matter of your comprehension and/or experience in related situations.

>>15 Sure. But this particular website isn't what you're talking about. There are hundreds of Dollars' sites, blogs, and groups spread through the internet and social media and such. But this one does not cling to those anime ideals, and it does not call itself a gang.

I really do not see the use of arguing the same points over and over again; explaining the way the website works is just muddling the legitimate points I made earlier with regards to, you know, becoming successful and powerful outside of the 'gang' mentality.

Mind agreeing to disagree on this one?

17 Name: Suli Hyuga !CLCPVwPYnM : 2014-04-24 01:36 ID:sBAe2LrN [Del]

I haven't read every word (there's alot) on this thread but I see where everyone is coming from so far.

Just remember guys even a group of ragtag nerds can change the way things are around them as long as they get up and do it.

We're all human; capable.

18 Name: MaskSalesman : 2014-04-24 06:48 ID:0rA4Dyih [Del]

>>16 Agree to Disagree then :) I just woke up and re-read everything. All in all, I understand your point and my negligence of who you were directing it to in the first place. As far as it being a gang, I was simply using the term of the moment as the dollars of the show weren't an actual gang to begin with. Still, I really believe the potential that this site has amassed is great. In the future perhaps I'd like to converse on/debate the significance of the dollars, this site, and the gray area between(and there seems quite the ammount of gray area); I'll see if there's a thread already for this or make one, hopefully you'll drop in.

To the OP: just see my first post.

19 Name: BarabiSama !!C8QPa1Mt : 2014-04-24 07:00 ID:fNg7HtlP [Del]

>>18 There are a lot of threads about it. Pretty sure they're spread through Main, Missions, and Suggestions.