I don't know if God is real or not but we all believe in something right? I just don't quite get it yet I mean I don't really believe in him but it not like I dislike him or anything I just don't because I don't really see why we should am just another person trying to surive but their no wrong in believing God we all belive in something

I believe that there is no god at all, (WAIT BEFORE YOU RAGE!) but instead believe in the principles of the ideas from Kingdom Hearts. My faith is based on the idea that Kingdom Hearts is a dimensional place of reality in which the collective knowledge of all life is collected up into this mass of energies and sent all over to form a life anew. The belief being that humans spend their entire life span learning and the thinks we learn emit energy in our brains and that energy is sent into Kingdom Hearts and as long as you keep learning in your life span, you will be gifted with the chance to carry old memories from one life time into your next. (BY NOW YOU ARE CONFUSED, DON'T WORY I'LL SIMPLE THIS LATER)

We can never tell if god is really real I guess, I do believe in some sort of organising force out there, everything is just too perfect for there not to be. I am not speaking of life as we even know it, I am talking about something on a whole different span of reality that lives in a way we cannot comprehend. Possibly it isn't even a 'creature', but rather the embodiment of what doesn't exist. It creates everything around us simply by not being it; I find it hard to explain.

tl;dr: I believe some sort of god like thing might exist but nobody really knows.

Well seeing how this turned into a "share your religious views on god!" thread, i may as well put my 2 cents in. I believe there is no god looking down on us, protecting us, and so on. I believe there is something humans dont understand behind the scenes that caused the big bang, created life, is causing evolution, and so on, but i dont believe it is going to come to anyone's rescue. I feel that if this god where as good and powerful as everyone said, there wouldnt be sadness, hate, disease, suffering, and loss. People can look to god and wait forever, look to others and risk being mislead, or look to themselves and ensure the results they want. I appologize if i offended anyone in any way but that's my two cents.

I don't exactly believe in God but I believe in two "forces". One being Karma, the other being the whole essence of the universe itself...I just call it "The Universe" xD Though my religious beliefs are changing all the time. I used to be atheist but now I'm more agnostic. I haven't found a religion I completely agree with yet but that's not to say I hate any religion.

i just believe tha exists something around us named god ,even i am a christian have lost my faith to churche and such things just believe everything will change if you know who truly you are.

i guess im more of a christian deist. I believe in god but he doesnt intervene in our lives. He leaves us to better ourselves because humans have the capacity to achieve purity and bliss. Its because of this that i dont believe in many aspects of the bible as it was written by man. However i practice many of the christian traditions as a way to show god my faith he exhists.

I think I believe in God, with a capital G, but I can't say I believe in the church or the bible so much. I still find them valuable, but I don't necessarily trust them. As a very wise saint once said, "The church is a whore, but she is also my mother." Without church and the bible and traditional Christian things, I wouldn't be where I am today, or who I am today. But at the same time, I can't believe that God would want us to be in the little box that they give us. I also can't believe that God is quite as angry as most churches I go to and certain bible passages seem to believe. Someone who is supposed to be about love and peace simply cannot be that angry. It doesn't make sense. Long story short, I'm pretty sure God is cool, but don't limit yourself to what the church and the bible tell you. Especially not the King James Version.

People are sharing their belief in God and not actually trying to say what God actually is. I'll try my hand on this.

God has no physical description in Biblical canon. So in fact, God cannot exist within our realms of 3D comprehension. The Bible mentions something about humans made in God's image. So are we gods? I think so in a spiritual sense. I really can't define what "spiritual" is, but it is indeed a type of reasoning that isn't rational in a reality sense.

Anyways, some say that God is a loving and caring Eternal Father, and some others reject the notion that a loving caring God exists-- or any God whatsoever.

So I'll define God as the word that associates with the concept of origin and all things good. Does He really exist? *shrugs* Science does a terrible job in explaining spiritual and abstract phenomena and isn't good in proving/disproving God's existence. For scientists who can classify things using concrete evidence, then God is basically the Big Bang, Entropy, Order and Oxytocin. If you define it like that, then God indeed exists.

But what about the loving and caring and merciful Heavenly Father definition that is said in the Bible? Well, I believe that He exists too. What most people reject about God is the Biblical definition because

1) He turns out to be pretty ruthless especially in the 1st Testement.
2) Divine omnipotence is something scary.
3) Bad stuff in this world happen. Where's your God now??
4) People don't want to be bound by "laws" written in some "fake" book

I'd say that you want to uphold/start believing in a God that is loving and caring, then it is best to follow the commandment that He sent his son Jay-zeus (Jesus) to preach: Love your neighbor yada yada. Why should I? Well, because bad stuff always happen in this world, and for a reason... I believe it's to exercise this commandment. The world won't be so scary if someone can do something about it when bad things happen. Because we are said to be made in God's image, then technically speaking, we in a sense are God, and therefore God exists. The definition of a loving God can only be true if people follow the "will of God."

Now the heavenly God is a different story. We can't explain this one nor even take into the account a person's Near Death Experience. Essentially, God takes on a plethora of meanings. I guess that would make sense when one says that He is everywhere.

"wheres god (we dont know tht) wheres god (we need him here) wheres god when shit goes down" ICP

We know that God is real because He has revealed Himself to us in three ways: in creation, in His Word, and in His Son, Jesus Christ.The most basic proof of God’s existence is simply what He has made. “For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse” (Romans 1:20). “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.” (Psalm 19:1)

It is often asked why is there suffering in the world if God is all powerful and loving.  Why doesn't He stop it?  Can He or is He weaker than we think?  Suffering can fall into three simple categories: emotional, mental, and physical suffering.  But, there are a variety of causes for suffering:  morally corrupt (evil) people, disease, earthquakes, floods, famine, etc.There are different explanations for why God allows suffering, but none of them can satisfy everyone.  Therefore, I will simply list various reasons offered to account for suffering and evil in the world.

What does the Bible tell us that God has done about evil? It tells us that he sent  his son Jesus to die for our sins and to deliver us from pain and suffering. Ultimately, God is allowing evil in the world for a purpose, otherwise, he would not let it exist. Therefore, we must trust Him that He knows what He is doing.

So do we anxiously wait for the shepherd's protection or at least try to handle it ourselves?

I don't think we have to blame God for all the suffering in the world. God gave us life (I mean, before the Big Bang something happened. I don't know HOW and WHAT and I guess we'll never know!)
and let us free to life, in a world commended by natural forces and ourselves. If you think about it, the poorest people are the most close to God. In my opinion, God is whatever you see of good in this world. It's the force and le love of living that poorest people have, it's the borning of new children in all the globe. "I makes more noise a forest burning down instead of a single growing tree": that growing tree is the proof that something beautiful everyday it's happening in the world, and we don't have to focus only on the bad things. I don't know if God really exist, if He/She/It acts in a way or another, but it makes me feel happier thinking that there is some entity outside the world that cares about us. It makes my life worthy to be lived.

(I'm sorry for my English.)

I think before any of you doubt the existence of God, you should go read this. http://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Real-Little-Astounding-Story/dp/0849946158
And like >>16 we can't blame God for any of the suffering in the world, people die they die. And most of the suffering is because of the government. God can't stop the inevitable. And when bad things happen I'm sure God mourns just like the rest of us.

OH MY GOD. OH. MY. GOD.

I'm sorry can I just take this on record as the best quote of the week? "most of the suffering is because of the government." That is going down in my books good sir.

Actually, that whole paragraph is pretty quote worthy: "God can't stop the inevitable." According to you, God created the invertible, so you think he would be able to stop it.

It would also be impossible (or very stupid) for even a devout Christian not to question the existence of god at some point, so much points against it. I am not saying he isn't real, he quite possibly is, all I'm saying is just telling people not to question it is terrible, we are inquisitive for a reason.

That one quote though, damn.

Replace all my gender selective terms with It's please, did not realise it at the time.

>>1 I believe in god, but my ting is as long as you believe something good is beyond the world of mortal, you will be okay. Throughout my life I kind of question if there is a god, but I still believe in something like Heaven, or hell.

Doubting can lead to new faith. Or it can lead away.
Regardless, I believe in a God that made me to think for myself. If my thinking leads me to start disbelieving his existence or disagree with his actions, then so be it.
The core here though is that one must not base their beliefs on someone else's beliefs without a good deal of thought.
So my dear someone-san, I can tell you more about who or what God is to me if you ask, but I think these are things best discovered by yourself.
That said, for the sake of stating my beliefs:
I believe in the Christian God. I believe he exists in the dimension of eternity that my mind cannot yet comprehend. Trying to ascribe any sort of limit to eternity is the first step to unravelling any comprehension you had of it in the first place.
Out of eternity God conceived the idea of time. To say that he 'thought' would imply that that something happened before him thinking and something happened after - however this is not a concept that can be applied on eternity. Words don't do these things justice.
Either way, in the boundless ocean of eternity, I believe that God conceived the entire universe - and he saw something about it that he loved, and then the universe was created. (Notice how I'm setting things down in a sequence, but sequences don't exist in that manner in eternity. There is no beginning and no end. There is existence.)
This universe we live in is bound by many rules, such as physical form, time, space, physics and other such things. In the same 'moment' that God created the entire universe he saw the entire passage of time and every single tiny detail of every little human being and thing that inhabits and has inhabited and will inhabit this earth.
So really, when we think of the idea of 'God is a caring God', I often wonder if people know what they are talking about? This is a being way beyond our comprehension. When sin (not-God) began to exist (was it a glitch?) inside our time-cage and interfered with our ability to connect to him, he set down a bridge for us to reach towards him. I call this bridge - faith in him. He marked the bridge with something we can recognise - a human being - Jesus - a manifestation of himself. He placed this bridge into our time-stream and let little small-brained ants connect to him.
I can't even begin to comprehend the magnitude of that gesture.
I believe in a God that transcends my very understanding - and yet I also dare to believe that he cares for me (notice again that I prescribe limits to God by applying the conditional 'he').

>>18 Thank you. Second, I meant that God can't stop people from dying eventually because that is the inevitable. The inevitable is that we all die and respectably go to Heaven or Hell. Third, I am not Christian, Baptist actually, and I have questioned the existence of God. And people should be inquisitive about the existence of God, it's healthy to be inquisitive.

Enough said.

>>23 Yes. Dude Yes. Ever since I was a kid, he has been my visual picture of God.

>>23 You win so many Internets Doctor.

>>25>>24 I find it funny too but this is what I find as my god.
(Kingdom Hears itself.)

wise words from izaya orihara <3

izaya orihara

According to theists, God is inside us; in our hearts. Therefore I am God, you are God, we are all God!

Personally, I don't know if there is such a thing as God, it's just humans wanting/imagining a higher power to look up to because of they live in fear of something.

God is bull.

>>32 alright, c'mon, Person, we're trying to have a deep, intellectual discussion. I don't mind if you don't believe in God but please provide an actual argument for your statement, not just the statement itself.

>>32 What a great, educated view to have on religion.

Living proof that aesthetics can just as easily be close minded.

I mean, I personally don't believe in at least the "Christian" God as such, but that was after careful deliberation of both the sides.

The Bible is not an actual source of evidence as it is a bias piece of false documentation with no scientific basis. I have no problem with the theory of a god like entity but the bible suggests a contradiction as do other religions. Why do they not embrace human nature? Things such as greed and pride. It's because the person(s) who wrote the bible are weak in terms of socioeconomic power and couldn't have what they wanted. Therefore: religion is a contradiction in itself.
Your move internet.

@35 Oh really... Does it not say that it took 6 days to create the world in his time?. The time in heaven is different than ours.. One day up there is at least 100 years here. Combining that with the some of the evaluational "proof" you can add up all the years as to how God made the world. He used science. He created science and the proof is, if you go back to the beginning you can tell the world started off as a molecule in a black hole. How could something form from NOTHING!? It is simple. You can believe what you want. I am only telling you what I know.. And yes. I have felt his presence before. I have seen him touch people and heal them. I have seen people speak in tongs and felt him around them, it was so powerful..

Ultimately, above the human authors, the Bible was written by God. Second Timothy 3:16 tells us that the Bible was "breathed out" by God. God superintended the human authors of the Bible so that, while using their own writing styles and personalities, they still recorded exactly what God intended. The Bible was not dictated by God, but it was perfectly guided and entirely inspired by Him.Humanly speaking, the Bible was written by approximately 40 men of diverse backgrounds over the course of 1500 years. Isaiah was a prophet, Ezra was a priest, Matthew was a tax-collector, John was a fisherman, Paul was a tentmaker, Moses was a shepherd, Luke was a physician. Despite being penned by different authors over 15 centuries, the Bible does not contradict itself and does not contain any errors. The authors all present different perspectives, but they all proclaim the same one true God, and the same one way of salvation-Jesus Christ (John 14:6; Acts 4:12).

>>38 what part of ignore him do you not fucking understand?

I still don't know about everyone else but I ALWAYS put the bible in the fiction section of any library.

>>37 You're kidding me, right? Were did you get this information about the bible? Wait, let me guess! The bible! By the way, how do you know it's only one god? What about 4 or 5 that humans are simply to stupid to tell apart? Or that it was all just a scam from the very beginning that people took too seriously? There are many holes in the bible that will never be patched up so the bible will never be a legitimate argument that validates the existance of a god of any kind.

>>36 Preach oh whise one! Share your experiences with god in full detail and make me believe! Prove to me with science that god exists because it seems that you feel you can. And while you're at it, explain to me why he cures some with his powers and not others who are equally worthy. I am truely curious.

For me its all a matter of oppinion

>>41
Hm.
I wish I had time to answer all your questions! I'm not Setton-san but I shall do my best to cover a bit of what you wanted to know. :)
Hopefully Setton-san will share his/her experiences later for you. If not I will be forward with mine.
I'm here to talk about 'explain to me why he cures some with his powers and not others who are equally worthy'.
The answer to this, I think, requires some attitude adjustment.
The conundrum is this: Without an understanding or belief in the magnitude of an incomprehensibly infinite God, it might not be possible to comprehend the value of God's actions.
But if one were to gain such an understanding or belief, they would *be* a God-believer.
What I am saying is, it is wholly possible that this cannot be explained to you unless you are willing to believe.
But I'll try anyway. The christians preach a God of love and goodness, and in my opinion, these ascribed characteristics have made a caricature of the concept of a boundless God.
God sees beyond time, beyond insignificant human suffering, beyond personal struggles - and at the same time he sees all these in minute detail. If you were a benevolent being that could see all the threads of time and possibility spread out like a web, would you grant 'wishes' that granted short term satisfaction or move the threads of time and chance for the greatest final outcome? What if I told you that God created the world to end it, and to end it in the best possible way? No one writes a story and leaves it off in the middle.
Once you see it like that, maybe you begin to have this inkling of how limited earth might appear to a limitless God. On this ball of chemicals we slough through life like little cogs in a clockwork. The clockwork is time. Time will end. Everything builds up towards the final act.
There is a difference between loving us and indulging us with what we think we deserve or what we think other deserve - we aren't the ones that can see where each thread of time will lead. I believe in a God that guides the threads of our lives in his infinite wisdom so that everyone will prove to be useful to the final act of the world, although not everyone will have been used or have followed.
I feel like I answered your question in a very general manner. Feel free to ask more to gain a better understanding.

>>43 i understand your point completely. I appologize if my earlier post seemed...hateful. your answer is completely legit and answers it in the best way possible. But if that answer where able to bring my faith back, it would have a long time ago. It has been told to me hundreds of times. I've spent hundreds of hours of thought on that answer alone. But i simply dont agree with god's "plan" for many reasons. Most of which are personal reasons. I wont relay my personal sob story here because this is not the place. As for the few non personal reasons, it doesnt take a lot of looking to realize that the world is slowly but surely falling apart. If this was the greatest outcome (global warming, war, polition, over populating the earth, running out of fossil fuel we are dependent on, hunting to extinction) i find it rather cruel to have started it. But that's just me.

Guilt is your past, and that will be your god...

~Orihara Izaya

>>44 Hey no worries, you did sound upset - thanks for explaining about that :)
I'm not concerned really, about your faith. Somehow I feel like if God wanted you to regain your faith from what I said he would seize it for himself. Maybe right now is not the right time. If you've had faith before, and if you understand what I'm talking about, I feel like you're in a prime position to make your own decisions.
You seem hesitant to speak about what led you out of your faith - so I understand if you don't want to, but is it okay if you tell me a little about it? I am interested. I won't try to convince you that you're going the wrong way, but it'll possibly help me understand cases like yours. That is what I endeavour to do in this life - understand more.
Regarding the world falling apart - doubtless you know the popular 'right' answer to this - (and if not, here it is) 'Sin poisoned an originally perfect creation and has caused it to fall apart, the objective now is to grant glory to God and set ultimate salvation upon this creation so that it can be perfectly remade'. That's where the time-threads are driven - not to saving the physical earth but the spiritual. Not for every broken heart but for broken humanity. Not for this lifetime, but the next.
Since I'm typing this close to my bedtime, I reserve rights to amend what I said later to make it *more* correct (disclaiming in case I said something I don't truly believe)

>>41 you sead "how do you know it's only one god?" saiah 45:5

I am the Lord, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me,

Exodus 20:3 

“You shall have no other gods before me.

1 Corinthians 8:6 

Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Acts 4:12 

And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”Helpful Not Helpful

Ephesians 4:4-6 

There is one body and one Spirit just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. Need i go on?

>>41 I can tell you that God is our father. If you do not ask DIRECTLY to him for help, he can not answer you. If you do not seek him, than you will not find him. There is only one God because he is jealous God.

Quote >>48 You are right on the money. I was going to say that. :)

>>49 (had a clever comment and missed the key word had to retry)
My father made me. God did not, dad made me and my mom have birth to me not god. God did not birth me. My dad is my dad not god. God is not my dad. God is not my mother's husband. God had nothing to do with me life at all.
PARADOX!

>>51 if god didn't create man then where did man come from?

>>52 EVOLUTION MOTHERFUCKER!

>>53 I thought you fucking learnt! STOP REPLYING!

>>53 sorry but evolution is fals. There is no evidence - scientific - that a species can change the number of chromosomes within the DNA. Each species has a fixed chromosome count. Each species is locked into its chromosome count that cannot change. For example, if an animal developed an extra chromosome or lost a chromosome because of some deformity, then it could not successfully mate with a female. So it could not be passed along to the next generation. To conclude, evolving a new species is scientifically and physically impossible. if this is true then that mean god created us.

There is scientific evidence... fossils, similarities in biochemical processes, DNA, and body structures, how bacteria changes to gain resistance to drugs, and they have found DNA in amber thousands of years old and when animals freeze over from thousands of years ago that they have compared to DNA from animals that live now. All of what i said so far has supported evolution. Enough evidence for you? And evolution doesnt happen in one generation. It usually takes hundreds if not thousands of years of mutations and small adaptations to an environment.

DNA and fossils are not reliable evidence.

I know you two are debating on stuff after the earth was created but why not go as far to how was the earth made? Nothing cannot make something, it is physically impossible for something to appear out of nothing. So then how did the earth just appear? It didnt just magically pop into existence, it would have had to be created. If you look at something like a computer or a plane you just know that someone made it. same with earth, it did not just appear. The earth, was so well made with everything in just the right condition: distance from sun, oxygen amount, ect. it could not have just happened. and before you say molecules smashed together and we got lucky, let me just ask you how did the molecules get there? they would have had to appear, which i have clearly stated is impossible. so the earth would have had to be created.

>>57 damn you're hard headed and uneducated... how are fossils and DNA not reliable evidence? It is far more reliable and concrete than the bible. There is no arguing whether or not DNA exist, what DNA does or what it tells about an organism. Nor is there any arguing about whether or not fossils are records of organisms that lived a long time ago. Give me one scientific reason why DNA and fossils are unreliable sorces for evidence of evolution.

>>58 this is something we will never be able to tell for sure because there is no fossils and we cannot go back in time. All i can give you is theories. Lets start from the beginning. The most commonly excepted theory is the big bang. Beyond the fact that the universe was the size of a grape seed and that there was a large explosion that created every molicule in the known universe, i am unable to explain it(i am only 15 and this is a level of science most collage graduates have a hard time understanding). I can give you known and proven evidence that supports this big bang theory. Everything in the universe is moving. The galixies all seem to be moving away from one point suggesting an explosion from one point in the universe that effected every molicule. This was estimated to have happened trillions of years ago(far before earth was made) so scientists will never be able to confirm this. As for the sun. It's simple: gravity. Scientists have seen this happen. Hydrogen is collected in one area of space. This hydrogen is pulled together closer and closer together by gravity. Eventually these hydrogen molicules are so closely packed and generate so much heat, they ignight and we have a star. As for earth. Same process exept with solid molicules that wont burn. It collects and grows over millions of not billions of years. Eventually it grows big enough to atract gasses, creating an atmosphere. Early earth was a living hell. All water was salty due to the extreme temps. Thousands of vulcano's on every strip of land. The atmosphere consisted of poisonous gasses and gasses that would act as a blanket on the earth heating it even more. Constant thunderstorms. Current life forms wouldnt last a second on early earth. How did life form? Again, far to long ago and all i can give you are theories. A scientist conducted an experiment long ago that recreated the conditions of early earth. He took the inorganic chemicals known to be on early earth, heated them and ran an electic current through it and was able to create 13 ammino acids(basic organic compounds that are the building blocks of protiens). These formed protiens, which formed cells, which then took these harsh gasses in the atmosphere and slowly turned them into oxygen and other chemicals in the modern day atmosphere(there is proof of an oxygen spike that supports this). As the atmosphere changed, so did the rest of early earth. These bacteria evolved very slowly, so on so on. Early earths atmosphere change then slowly started a domino effect. Here we are now which is the current place of the domino effect. As for the placement and conditions, random. Think of how many planets are out in our known universe. Millions if not billions. That's just the known universe. Trying to tell me that there is no chance that a plannet at random can have perfect conditions for life and still create it is like saying no one will ever win the lottery. There is a very small chance of winning the lottery, but still a chance.

It's a lot and seeing how it's 5am where i am, i probably didnt do a good job explaining it. If anyone wants me to clarify anything, i will to the best of my knowledge later. Just ask.

>>59 According to the Bible: Dinosaurs first existed around 6,000 years ago.3 God made the dinosaurs, along with the other land animals, on Day 6 of the Creation Week (Genesis 1:20–25, 31). Adam and Eve were also made on Day 6—so dinosaurs lived at the same time as people, not separated by eons of time.

>>59 if the happened happened trillions of years ago then how come the world is only 6,000 years old?

This -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U

and this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLKl1o-foG8

those videos don't prove anything. nice try thow.

>>60 which type of dinosaur are we talking about? None of them are 6000 years old. Depending on which types of dinosaurs we are talking about, they range from possiblg a few million to a billion years old. 6000 years ago was 4000bc and there are records of hunan civilizations dating way before that most "dinosaurs" have dated millions of years before that. Science has already proven your "god created earth in 6 days 6000 years ago" belief cant be possible in modern day time.

>>61 it wasnt formed 6000 years ago... we have already concluded that the bible is not a reliable sorce of scientific evidence...

Oh my God this thread took off like wildfire xD

>>66 aye,
going to say sage it for any new posts as its like talking to a wall of ignorance.

all of the plants, animals and even mankind was fully created in a single event occurring 6,000 years ago. therefor the earth is 6,000 years old.

Dinosaurs are often portrayed as having lived in a time before man. However, the available evidence shows that man and dinosaur coexisted.Legends of dragons are found among most people groups. For example, there are the stories of Bel and the dragon, the Kulta of Australian aborigines, St. George and the dragon, and of course many Chinese legends. Often, the anatomical descriptions given are consistent, even though they come from separate continents and various times. These depictions match what we know from the fossil evidence of certain dinosaurs. Thus, dinosaurs are known directly from their fossils, and indirectly from cave drawings, tapestries, textiles, figurines, carvings, bas reliefs, and many oral and written eyewitness accounts, most of which are quite old.The Bible states that “every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind” was created by God on Day Six of the creation week (Genesis 1:25)—including dinosaurs. On this same day, the first man and woman were also created (Genesis 1:26-27). Over 1,600 years later, Genesis 8:15records that a pair of each land-dwelling animal “wherein is the breath of life”—again including dinosaurs—were taken aboard an ark that would have held over 101,000 square feet of floor space. This ensured that a remnant would be preserved through the worldwide watery destruction that fossilized many pre-Flood dinosaurs.The book of Job refers to a creature called behemoth. With a massive size and a tail like a cedar tree, its description matches that of a sauropod dinosaur. God calls it to Job’s attention with the words “Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee” (Job 40:15). Thus, this statement affirms that both behemoth and man were made on the same day. Ezekiel, James, and Paul refer to the book of Job, authenticating its reliably historical testimony.

around 6,000 years ago.3 God made the dinosaurs, along with the other land animals, on Day 6 of the Creation Week (Genesis 1:20–25, 31). Adam and Eve were also made on Day 6—so dinosaurs lived at the same time as people, not separated by eons of time.Dinosaurs could not have died out before people appeared because dinosaurs had not previously existed; and death, bloodshed, disease, and suffering are a resultof Adam’s sin (Genesis 1:29–30; Romans 5:12, 14; 1 Corinthians 15:21–22).Representatives of all the kinds of air-breathing land animals, including the dinosaur kinds, went aboard Noah’s Ark. All those left outside the Ark died in the cataclysmic circumstances of the Flood, and many of their remains became fossils.After the Flood, around 4,300 years ago, the remnant of the land animals, including dinosaurs, came off the Ark and lived in the present world, along with people. Because of sin, the judgments of the Curse and the Flood have greatly changed earth. Post-Flood climatic change, lack of food, disease, and man’s activities caused many types of animals to become extinct. The dinosaurs, like many other creatures, died out

Don't you just love how much time GHF wastes to babble about shit written by some crazy old git centuries ago. It's 2013 everyone. Science is ascending the outdated texts of story books. So long story short. God is simply an excuse to do things because you are a less than a person. In the words of that man from Bio-shock "a man chooses, a slave obeys.". I do good and charity because I have to better the world. I don't do good because of the guy in a old book. I'm not a puppet. I am a man and I choose my fate not obey to slave driver. A man chooses, a slave obeys.

>>72 I respect your opinion, but Bible and annoying Christians aside, even science can't prove God himself doesn't exist. I think it's a good thing to believe in something, like God, because it gives you motivation to do good things and some civil order.

>>72 Can I just ask you were you get your morals? do people just decide what is right and wrong? in that case why not do what ever the crap you want with out feeling guilty. i think people need the Bible so that they wont be running around stealing and killing and crap. They have a reason to do good things.

>>75 yet either way, people will still kill, steal.... Other stuff even with the bible dictating their life.

>>72 YOU DAMB FOOL! THAT'S NOT HOW GOD WORKS! no where in the bible house it say that man is gods slaves! and Science is not ascending the texts of the bible!if that's true then how come everything in the bible happened? and is still happening! lets see Science do that? No! then you go on to say " God is simply an excuse to do things because you are a less than a person." ok now that dousen't make any since! like what the hell. then you say " I do good and charity because I have to better the world. I don't do good because of the guy in a old book" hmmm did you know that you can't get into heaven simply by doing good deeds? and no where in the bible house it say that we are gods puppets. we are his sheep, his fallowers, his children. you should be ashamed of yourself for saying that! >:(

>>75 if a person needs a book and a constant fear of someone watching over their shoulder in order to be compelled to do good things, that's not a truly good person. It is an evil soul lulled and forced to do the right thing for a reward in the after life... >>72 has a point.

>>77 i'm tired of your blindness. Science saves lives. Science unlocks mysteries from earths past. Science improves society. Science makes the world better. I dont see priests curing cancer, the bible telling us about the true origin of the earth(not the god creating it in 6 days 6000 years ago b.s.), religion advancing society, or god giving us evidence that puts murderers behind bars.

oh dear we have a true believer here.

ok little facts you seem to have missed out >>72

you don't seem to realize that the "Torah" was written 300 years after the fact of said "jesus christ" and when the people who wrote the bible cherry picked the parts they liked out of it and added aload of more bullshit into it.

like did you know that the bible you seem to hold soo dear,once had magic and unicorns, and also that god fully endorsed slavery, I do highly suggest you do read the bible from back to frount.

also you do know the last Roman emperor of the empire made him self pope of the new christian fath i,e making him as holy as the next bumm on the street, and all who followed him.

science facts that can proven -

Human civilization can be traked back over 6000 years.

Dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago.

Earths age is roughly 4.54 billion years.

The universe is also roughly 13.77 billion years.

oh one last thing, only because sciencetist have not come up with a good solid scientific theories that can explain what was going on in the universe befor the bigbag does not mean they wont in time.

I could add more.

>>80 i'm not sure any amount of science will convince GHF. He is a lost cause to me and probably most here. I like the parts about the torah and the bible though. Nice work.

GHF: You are a shame to the whole Christian community. ^^

Telling by heart all the sentences written in the Bible doesn't make you a religious person, neither an intelligent one. But I assume you are only a troll, so I won't waste time anymore.

Please, don't consider him as a representation of the Christian population.
Being religious is working on the side of God, applying what It said to do: and he said to be a faithful human being, merciful and respectful to everyone, even if this "everyone" is Atheist, Muslim, Jew, Agnostic, Shinto, Buddhist, Hindu, Satanist and so on.
I mean: in the Bible there are written a lot (A LOT) of wrong things, or contradictory things.

You know why?
Guys, it was written in the Ancient years when people didn't even know how to build a solid house with bricks, and moreover, the Bible was written by a lot of people, each of them with different minds, different personality and different ways to see the world. It obvious that the final result had to be a whole bunch of words that sometimes might have looked weird.

But it doesn't really matter about the wrong statements that are written in there: we are all civil people (I suppose) and we can distinguish what is good to follow and what is bad and/or unconventional.

Religion, no matter what religion, is always a good opportunity to see a different kind of world: reading the Bible, or the Koran, or other religious texts is an experience that change your minds, believe me.

It doesn't mean that you mostly will become a priest or an extremist: it will only make your brain work.

First of all, religion is culture.
First of all, the Bible is a historical book, and then a sacred book.

I've never hear about someone who died because of too much culture. It's war that kills, not reading a book. ;)

As I said in a previous thread, I don't exactly know what/who God is: but it's nice and interesting to think about WHAT it might be.

Why are you guys replying to GHF? He's only saying this shit to get a rise out of people.

He's a troll. Ignore him.

My name is Slayer.
I'm on aware to take care all of you of my custody.
You will be safe by me as a Devil of the New World.
For sometime your warning is tremendous to this world is in danger from him.
If he destroys it, I commence to kill him mortalization of evil days in a 13.
He might be a Savior, but he lied to you all!
For those of you who know his location, I will win this war to my allies and family.
To Glory of Destruction known as God and his son, I say this: Give in or die with your incarnation for 13 hours and watch you die mortal and never return resurrection and we shall watch your Asgard, Heaven, Christianity falls apawn the fate of Satanism.
I will given to you all for what I have in me: Youth: to stay young forever for years. Immortality: to be immortal of alivable dead. And Resurrection.
Even mostly I'll remain on my 21st birthday.
If you're alone, you can't be alone by yourself, if you're not...


[General Zod's voice]: YOU ARE NOT ALONE!


If I maybe alone...

I
AM
NOT
ALONE!


I'M
A
MAN
OF
SATANISM!!!

I don't yet understand what this^ thread about Satanism has to do with God. Their quite opposites, you know.

>>85 He's an idiot who spams his bullshit around. You should ignore him just as much as you ignore GHF.

In all reality, there may be nothing out there. Maybe we are all that is here.... However, some may believe this, I do not. There is most definitely something out there, let it be an all powerful being, multiple beings, an alternate reality, or anything else, we all have something to believe in. These arguments of religion and beliefs are simply backed by opinion, nothing is true, nothing is proved. For all we know, the Bible might have been written by someone 500 years ago to try to justify his actions, maybe it is true what is written. But without actual living proof, there is nothing we can do but squabble like children about these things. So, keep believing what you believe in, and don't tell anybody what the believe in is wrong. If you do, you are the one who is wrong, not your target.

>>87 The Bible teaches us that there are 2 types of people in this world, those who profess the truth of God's existence and those who suppress the truth of God's existence. The options of 'seeking' God, or not believing in God are unavailable. The Bible never attempts to prove the existence of God as it declares that the existence of God is so obvious that we are without excuse for not believing in Him.

Romans 1 vs. 18 - 21 says:

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

My friend, I apologize in advance to sound as if I am denying what you say. As valid as your point may be, there are people in this world who do not follow Christian beliefs. I am one of those people. Again, I apologize for sounding like I am denying all that you have said, by all means continue with your beliefs and be your own person while doing so and not pushing your beliefs onto others who do not wish it.