well, this situation would call for an analysis of the pros and cons of getting the piercings. If "A" gets the piercings then she would have gotten something she wanted, but it is also possible they may lose their home. So they have to make a choice: piercings or possible abandonment or at least anger their parent severely who possibly is under the influence and could proceed to make rash decisions upon discovering the piercings.

>>2 Her mother doesn't drink, she has skin cancer as a matter of fact. I'm not sure about her step-father though. He looks the type to drink.

"A" should grow the fuck up. I mean seriously. She can at least respect her parents authority and stop acting like a spoiled brat when they don't give her what she wants. If she wants piercings, she can get them at 18 without consent.

>>4 She barely gets anything dude, her family's poor as fuck. I don't think it'd be spoiled to get some piercings. It's not like she wants an Iphone 5 or anything.

>>5 The material isn't the point. My point is that she wants something that requires parental consent at her age, and she's throwing a fit when they say no. She needs to respect her parents decisions as long as she's living in their house.

For instance, I do light an occasional cigarette since I'm old enough. However, I can respect my parents wishes enough to not smoke around them, or in the house even when they wouldn't know. I also cuss, but never around my mom or grandparents, since they wouldn't like it.

>>6 your examples of respect for ones parents do not translate into the situation. They are more mild toned down examples that don't pertain to huge decisions. Anyways, the bottom line is that your friend is underage and most likely can not support themselves, so it is in their best interests to just follow what their dad says on a matter he seems to be so adamant about. I have heard so many stories of people who get cut off from their families completely because they disagreed on certain topics like religion and abortion etc. The main thing I have learned is that you should not challenge the authority of someone until you are not dependent upon them, especially for survival.

>>6 Her parents do not sound like the kind of people who should have authority over her actions, so shut up Crisis. I do not know how they can object to a few piercings, but think that doing drugs in a good life decision. If I could help this girl out, I would. I have seen parents utterly fuck the lives of their children far too many times to feel otherwise.

>>7 Let's take a more direct example then. When I was 16, I wanted a tattoo. my parents, of course, objected. They said no, but I respected their authority and waited until I was 18 before getting one. Almost exactly the same.

>>8 She said her mom has, not her dad. Either way, they're still her parents. They asked for opinions, and I'll give it. Telling someone to shut up because their views differ from your own isn't a good way to gain any credibility. In fact, it kind of hurts any you had. Not getting piercings before she's 18 isn't going to fuck her life up at all.

Also the parent needs an ID to share, to show them they are who they are. Most if not all LEGIT Tattoo and Piercing Parlors do this, as my dad did the same in 3 different shops.

Also does it really matter how poor they are? The fact they are poor should be one major reason to wait it out before getting this shit, and not go behind their back because they said no.

Why exactly does SMOKING pot, or being poor have any leeway over her going behind their backs? It's not like they are doing Meth, and selling her clothes to get drug money. It's not like they are FORCING her into prostitution like many families into ACTUAL drugs, just to get the money to do drugs again.

So, try to explain to me, how a parent who doesn't want her to get it, who only does WEED, travel over into them being bad parents and that she should do whatever she wants, just because 'she wants it now'?

I'm poor. Should I rob a bank because it's what I want? I want money. Now the two situations may be vastly different, but the point for both still stands. Why does she need it? It doesn't matter what she wants.

Either case, unless she does back alley piercings, and gets her ear infected, she is in no way getting one, because of the clarifications they need before doing it.

>>9
It is EXACTLY the same.
Kid wants something. Parents say no. Except the actor playing the spoiled kid is being played by a more rounded character.

Yeah, she is spoiled. You don't have to be rich and have shit to be considered spoiled. If you go around expecting everything you want to be done, then going behind people's back and doing it despite their objections for no reason other than 'wanting' it, it's spoiled.

If she was 18, and living in the house, and wanted it, and they said no, I'd be more inclined to give a rat's ass what this child wants. But because she is 12, and legally has no say what-so-fucking-ever in this world, and does shit in spite of her parents, I won't side with her or anyone who backs such irresponsible actions.

>>9
Also if I confused you, I'm not calling you spoiled, dude.

>>(Thiamor in general) So, you are one of those fools who thinks that people who smoke weed "aren't all that bad" because it is not a "bad drug". ALL drugs are bad and a sign of bad people. Also, you seem to have said that a person's parenting is good until they force their children into prostitution and suchlike (this may have been inadvertant, I cannot tell)

Maybe if she grew up a bit and gave her parents legitimate reasons as to why she wants piercings (self-esteem?) she wouldn't be taken as a child. I agree with Crisis and Thiamor on this one. She's being a bit of a spoiled brat to at least one decent parent, there's quite a few things wrong with her plan and she should just wait until she's 18, if only to make sure this isn't a whim of her's that she'll regret later.

I can't say "DO IT" because I would feel bad if "A" got kicked out. My family accepted me when I decided to make my first (and only tattoo). I was 18 already, but still. As for some of my friends making a tattoo would be a ticket to get the F*CK out of their parents house.

If A belives that she won't get kicked out, she most likely won't. If she belives that she will get, it is probably because she will. I would agree with people over here. Tell her to wait untill she is 18, if she can't tell her to wait until she is 16 and then re-talk to the parents.

As for her not getting anything, tell her to focus on something other than family. She is 12 now, her friends are probably not that bad...

>>13

Agreed. Weed is bad, and I have friends who can't stop smoking... Really, they have to smoke at least once a day...

In family... Gosh, I can only think of downsights. If you don't agree, please read the lyrics of "My Uncle":
http://www.lyricsmania.com/my_uncle_lyrics_ill_bill.html

>>1 Never, EVER, try doing something like that behind your parent's back. It's a bad idea, take it for someone with experience.
A should talk it out with her parents. I got my first piercing when I was twelve (Two helix, if you wanted to know), and it took a lot of persuasion to make that happen. My father doesn't agree with anything like that - piercings, when I dyed my hair, ect.
But I sat down and told him how important it was to me, and he understood. You just need to get them to look at it through your eyes.
If you try that and they don't agree, don't throw a hissy fit and do something stupid. It's not like they're preventing you from eating - in other words, it isn't important. There's always another chance, all you have to do is wait for it.
It's like when you were a little kid, and there was this one toy you really wanted. It was perfect in your eyes. But your parent's can't afford it. You'll be upset at first, but eventually you'll realize their reasons.
Some families like to have a good, clean appearance. Piercing and tattoos go against their conscience, and you need to respect that.
If A DOES do it behind her parent's backs, then it's just proving that she is indeed a spoilt brat. On top of that, she won't have a house to live in. The odds are against her. REASON tops EMOTION here.
Also, don't say she doesn't get anything because her family is poor. There is much worse than just being poor, trust me.
If A was eighteen or something, I'd be more empathetic. But she isn't. She is twelve - still a damn child. This is a MINOR decision, which will have NO impact on her health, success, and so forth. Actually, I've seen people lose their jobs because they have piercings or tattoos.
My response in a nutshell: Attempt to talk to the parents. They give the final no, A grows up and deals with it, or faces the consequences.
>>13 Not to be rude, but some people smoke weed for medical reasons. My aunt has MS and he legal right to smoke it in my country. So not ALL people are doing it just because they can. Some people need to use it as painkillers, not just to get high of their asses and fuck around.

>>12 No, I get you man.

>>13 Well Ibueprofen must be bad too, because it's also a drug, and anyone who used it must be a bad person.

Well, its wrong to Do things behind youre parents backs. I think "A" must wait a little longer. I have some People in my school i 3rd grade that ha piercings, and that just lock sick and ugly. So just dont. Even she dont know me, please dont, for me and youre Beautys sake. @-}--

I think she should wait until she's older, then she wouldn't have to go through a lot of trouble getting it.

She's young. She might change her mind in the future, or regret the decision she made if she were to do it.

Alright, I think I have the answer to give A:

Don't do it, wait until you're older.

Now, I'd like to discontinue this thread, please.

Well, best of luck to "A" anyways.

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