>>1 Quit being so selfish. You don't have any idea what you're talking about. Do you know how much money it takes to do that stuff? I don't blame them. If you want to go so bad, you can go when you're an adult yourself, and can pay all the expenses out of your pocke and can support yourself. Until then, grow up.

I'm not trying to be selfish, I'm actually trying to have a better life, yes I know it's hard but it's way easier then staying here in Portugal.

It's not gonna happen, dude. Do you even have any idea how much that would cost?
And stop trying to force your parents to move to another country for you, it's not exactly fair on them.

>>3 No, you don't know. You live with your parents who provide for you. And telling them to move to another country for you is pretty damn selfish. Maybe they want to live in Portugal. It's their choice, they've lived longer than you have. If you want to live somewhere else, then when you're a legal adult and have the money, you can move then.

No they actually also want to leave, the thing is the opportunities they get are in countries were our safety can't be even guaranteed, and it's in the middle of nowhere, that is why I asked for help, otherwise I wouldn't even bring it up, I would just go by myself when I am old enough, but since they want to leave also, I thought we could go to Japan, they just won't because they do not waant to risk it all and go without a sable job offer.

Time for some realism here, since you clearly have not done some research of the difficulties of living in Japan, as many unsuspecting weeabo-, err, I mean people like you tend to do:

1. Japan is 98.5% ethnically Japanese. This means prejudice. Lots of it. Matter of fact, they do not actually have a set constitution on human rights, so every minority is fair game. Koreans, Chinese, Japanese born outside of the country, and even lower castes (yes, there is a hidden caste system) are subject to a harder life with things like lower pay, lower place in society, and so on. I'm quite sure if they had better options, they wouldn't, say, consist of a majority of the Yakuza. Don't think this means it's an easier life for gaijin like you, it's about the same, if not worse.

2. Everything is expensive as fuck. This means that the Japanese have higher wages, but guess who gets it? Not you, especially if you're from a working class background to begin with! So that's another issue.

3. The most foreigners eke out are often low paying jobs with zero job security (don't think you're the only one in the working class game, with the whole lot of filipinos and what not), what makes you think moving to Japan will guarantee you a stable job?

4. You are not going to be able to learn the language in a day. It's a difficult as fuck language, and to expect your entire family to learn it is absolutely selfish.

5. Let's say you somehow manage to get a job (by some sheer luck). You need a place to stay. No problem, just call up a real estate agent and... What's that? No sellers are willing to sell to a foreigner? Well tough luck.

tl;dr: Reconsider your options. Stay in school. Stop being a selfish prick.

Yes I know all that is hard, but living here is worse. Also my dad is also an IT expert, he just doesn't get a job in that area here because even software engineers can't, also it may be selfish, but just accepting things how they are supposed to be without even trying is worse then being selfish, its being a quitter, and I do not quit on my goals, and dreams, also its just my parents and I that need to learn the language, and Japanese it's quite easier then Portuguese, the only hard thing are the Kanji(mostly because of the amount of them) the rest its quite simple, of course you can't learn it in a day, but 1 year would be more the enough to learn more then all basics. About a place to stay, it's quite unwise to try to purchase an house without having the country's nationality, you can easily rent one, even if it's not to a real estate agent. One more thing I politely asked for advice, so why did you insult me?

>>8 A year to learn an entire language? That's not how it works especially with both writing and speaking. Even just the basics.

So, why exactly do you want to move? Most likely petty reasons.

It is your parents decision until you're 18. Deal with it.

Lay off the guy, would ya? You make it sound as if he's the worst person in the world. He said that his parents would go if they had stable jobs, so its not just him. and he's not forcing them to go. I for one support him in pursuing his dreams. I wish I could live in Japan. Despite that list above, I still think its a great place. I say, follow your dreams, wherever they may lead. It'll be years before I go to Japan for any reason, but I know that i'll go someday. I might not live there, maybe a vacation or just a trip, but i'll go and experience one of my favorite cultures first hand, instead of reading articles and eating ramen and yakisoba from packages made in my microwave.

>>8 I am giving some advice, one of which is that the brutality of Japanese society will give you hell. You can surely try, but you'll be out of the country before you know it.

>>9 My reasons to go for wanting to move? well I have a whole list of them, but these are the main 3: 1- I love the culture, sometimes I even think Iv'e been born in the wrong country.
2- The education system is one of the best in the whole world, it gives you basis for whatever career you might decide in the future.
3- Portugal is on the edge of a possible civil war, one wrong move from the government and the whole military will try to take hover, but the people, even hating the government, they don't like the military so much so it may cause a civil war.

>>11 Yes and I do take that advice, but you do not need to insult me like you did, after all I am not disrespecting you, am I?

>>10 Thank you for the support, I truly appreciate it.

> 1- I love the culture, sometimes I even think Iv'e been born in the wrong country.

Gee, sounds like something I've totally never heard from others before!

2- The education system is one of the best in the whole world, it gives you basis for whatever career you might decide in the future.

When a country where parents shit their pants when the government changed a school week from 6 to 5 is only three points ahead of my country's school system which is frankly a joke, there may be some inefficiencies.



3- Portugal is on the edge of a possible civil war, one wrong move from the government and the whole military will try to take hover, but the people, even hating the government, they don't like the military so much so it may cause a civil war.

[citation needed]

>>13 So what if you heard it from others before, it is true.

Also ranking does not matter since Portugal's education system is not ranked so bad, but in the reality, there are engineers teaching math, and translators teaching Languages, instead of real teachers with years of experience. Most ranking systems are corrupt, and yes while that may also be true with Japan, the truth is student's I've talked to describe it in a way wich makes me want to almost live in school if I were there, compared to the education system here.

"[citation needed]" ???

>>14 My friend and I were discussing this thread for a bit, and he raised a point about how many people after high school end up contributing to the clusterfuck of statistics that is the world's highest suicide rate, which is from a number of things like pressure, not finding a job at all, and so on. If Japan's education system is to help them reach their careers, it surely isn't working.

>>15 Well it certainly does better then Portugal's education system, though Portuguese people, don't have the guts to suicide so instead the suck money from tax payers. Also there are many factors that contribute to one taking his own life. And it does help one reach a career, but a career doesn't make it self from just education, a person's strength of will matter a lot to that, some people are just not cut out for that. Also I know what the downsides of Japan are, you don't need to point them all out and try to demotivate me because that will not happen, even if I can't take my parents to Japan with me, I will certainly fulfill my dream, or better ambition, and I will go to collage and I will live there. You may continue to try and point out the bad stuff, and try to demotivate me if that is your goal, but I will not quit! If I do not try to fulfill my dreams and ambitions how can I ever be truly happy? I will not be content with a life of what it is, while wondering what could it be if I at least tried!

So basically what we've summed up so far is that OP doesn't know anything much about living in Japan at all, doesn't understand how hard it is to get a job (why a stable job is so important), nor can he respect his parents stance so far and is most likely because of anime, under the dillusion that Japan is the greatest place ever... That sound about right?

>>17 I don't know much, but I'm not totally ignorant. It is hard to get a job I do know that, for example I could not find one this summer. I respect my parents stance, but since they are not against it I will not stop trying. And no Japan is not perfect, far from that nothing is perfect, but in the end I prefer Japan to other countries. Also I liked Japan, since about a friend of mine went on vacation there and he showed me his family videos there, and at that time I was about 6-7 years old, I didn't even know what is anime at that point, and since then I wanted to go live in Japan.

>>18 If you can't find a job in your own country, what makes you think you can find a job in another country that's known for not liking foreigners?

omg sugoiii desu If I move to Nihon my life will so so subarashii just like in dah animuuuu xDdDaddfdddd

like everything will go kirakira and maybe if I go to Ikebukkuro I can see Shizzzyyy-kun and Izaya-Chan and have them throw vending machines at me \(//∇//)\ desuuuuuuuu And if I cry they will halp me and hold me like an ojou-sama and like whisper in my ear "daijobu deskaaaaa"

I am totemo excited guys, hontouni can not wait

>>20 omfg best I don't know why but that made me laugh so hard :T

>>18 First off, I'll have you know I've been learning Japanese for about 3 - 4 years now. And trust me. It's fucking hard. Especially the writing, since there's 3 different "languages", or ways to write. Not to mention, your parents will have to learn the language as well, if they have any hopes of finding jobs there.

Also, you say Japan has the best education system in the world. Well, maybe that's true, but uh, THIS IS FOR JAPANESE PEOPLE. People who actually understand the language. Your career path is going to be pretty fucked if you can't even comprehend what your teacher is saying.

>>2 >>7 >>15 >>20
These.

Good luck learning all types of writing, you may also be surprised at how polite the language is.
That, and verb tenses... Goddamn verb tenses.
i'm just happy to know i'm not the only one from Portugal :)
Portuguese Dollars, GO!!!

>>19 I can't find a job in my country because I'm 16.
>>20 Why do people mock me if I am asking politely? I don't remember offending everyone!
>>21 Writing may be difficult but it doesn't compare to the complexity of Portuguese, >>23 you should know this. My friend who's in collage showed me some of what he's learning there and it gives me nightmares because some of that stuff will be part of the highschool learning scheduel this year. And >>21 of course I won't go to school in Japan without knowing Japanese, but trust me it's not so hard has Portuguese, or Latin, which I studied last year but I left that subject since it was way hard to learn in high school.

But I want to go to Japan so bad because it's either that or go to Mozambique right near the border of Zimbabwe and having to learn a number of tribal dialects that just to survive, also having school 100's of Km away, and having to be transported back to Portugal if something serious happens to my health. My parents say that is a great opportunity, but living in a country were I can not be even sure about my health and safety is not what I consider a great opportunity.

You may be overestimating the difficulty of Portuguese, it's about as difficult as learning Spanish, which is known to be one of the easier languages to learn.

Also, Mozambique was independent from your country only 40 years ago, and Portuguese is still the official language, so you don't need to learn "" tribal languages".

One of the conditions of my moms possible job is to learn 2 tribal dialects and if my mom has to learn, I also have to. Unfortunately official languages don't count to most people there. And no, >>>for me<<< Portuguese is harder then Spanish, only 2 languages that are harder, for me, then Portuguese are French and Latin.

If Latin based languages are already giving you trouble, here's a thought: Japanese is based on Chinese. Do you have any idea how difficult that language is? My dialect has 9 tones when speaking, there are rules behind just writing the damn words, and let's not even get to grammar. Do you seriously think Japanese is something that is easier to pick up than a Latin based language? 囧 That stuff's a piece of cake in comparison, and there aren't even any tones in Japanese.

Not to mention the fact that Spanish and French are actually very closely related. They're both Romanic languages, and are both evolutions of the same language, which happens to be LATIN. Not to mention, Latin is a dead language, so when learning it, you don't have to learn any cultural differences, slang, or expressions.

>>27>>28 That may be so for you, but from the little I've learned of Japanese is easier to me then Latin based languages, every one is different, some actually learn the hardest stuff and have problems with the easiest and the other way around is also true.

>>29 I didn't post opinions. Just facts.

>>30 Facts aren't everything, if they were religions would not exist.

>>31 This isn't a religious or theoretical matter.

>>32 None the less opinions do matter because everyone is different, and the facts change little by little depending on who those facts apply.

This thread has issues :l

I'm not even gonna go at it, though. I think Crisis and someone have it right.

At least try to open your mind and listen to their advice, UnKei. They're not joking around. They're not trying to ruin your plans. They're just trying to bring you back down to Earth.

>>36 I do accept their advises, but i'm not going to stop trying just because of that, I thought i had made that clear before, if I do not at least try, how can I ever be happy with myself? I would just be a quitter. It is not impossible to do what I am trying to do so why should I just quit? It doesn't matter how hard it is, at least I have to try until it becomes Impossible, and almost nothing is Impossible. But yes I do listen to their advises, and I know it is very very very hard to accomplish this, but at least I have to try.

>>37 Then do it when you're an adult and drop it until then, because until then, it isn't happening.

Secondly, facts don't change depending on "to whom they apply". The U.S. dropped two atomic bombs on Japan, ending Japan's involvement in WWII. This a fact. It doesn't change, no matter how you try to look at it. That's what happened. It's a fact, and facts don't change.

>>38 I will do it when I am an adult no matter what, I just don't want to go to Mozambique, not now, I don't want to leave my friend, not now... But if absolutely must do it, I thought that at least I would try to fulfill my dream...

Also you kinda misunderstood and I kinda didn't explain enough, what I was trying to say is that the situation which makes a fact changes from person to person, that means a certain fact might not affect a person, while it may affect another.

>>39 Then accept the fact that it's not going to happen right now. And if you have to go to Mozambique, well that sucks, but we all have to do things we don't want to do.

>>40 But its a life changing situation,but I have the chance to change it for the better instead of the worse, that's why I asked for help.

>>41 No. You're trying to steer your parents in the direction you want to go, with no regard for how it could be worse. I bet you haven't even asked your parents if they would like to go to Japan. You probably jumped straight to "we should move to Japan. That's where I want to go", Which is selfish and unreasonable.

Also, we don't have your parents resumes, nor do we know a damned thing about them. There's nothing we can possibly do to help, even if we decided it was the right thing to do. And whether or not you're going to listen, it's been pretty obvious that the community's stance thus far is to tell you that we aren't going to help, so continuing to try (and fail) reasoning with us is pointless.

>>42 Actually they said they will go anywhere out our country, but if that's your stance so let it be. You know at least you could have said that you couldn't or maybe wouldn't help from the beginning... I will continue to try, no matter if I succeeded or not, at least I did something to try and change something.
Also if you need help on anything that may be, be certain that even if I have all the power to help and make the good thing, I will not, you will probably not even try after that.
I realized something now, the hard way, I realized that if I want change I need to do it myself and not ask for help, and also that others must do the same, but since I am not a quitter who tries to make others quite like you, I will hep others anyway, just not you, or any others that may be the same has you.
You know I got in the Dollars because one friend of mine told me to, he said to me that the Dollars are good people, who will try to help how they can, so I joined. But since the Dollars are free and they do what they want I guess there are the ones like you that do not deserve that help, because they try to do the opposite to other people who simply politely asked, but instead of an yes or no, they try to destroy those peoples spirit to try and do something. But of course not everyone is like you, that is why I will try to help people if they need. Also don't speak for the community, because you are not over then 182000 people, nor you are their leader.

>>43 We are kind to those who have realistic dreams and expectations on what we can do.

Also, we have no leader, so we are all like the leader(at least the regulars and mods are).

182,000(give or take a few hundred) people is just the number of devices people have logged onto this site with. I personally have logged in on at least four over my time here and I'm sure many others have logged in on numerous devices. Plus many people log in once and never come on again. So it's actually much smaller than that.

Get your facts straight.

Wait, wait, wait...

Post 1 says, "My dad is an auto mechanic."
Post 8 says, "Also my dad is also an IT expert."

I've never heard of an IT tech also working as an auto mechanic. *Ahem* Care to explain, UnKei?

>>44 Dreams aren't realistic, that's what makes it dreams, tring making them real is what makes a goal or objective.

Having no leader doesn't mean everyone is a leader. Moderators keep this from being a crazy mess, but they also can not rule or have almost absolute control like a leader does.

Also I find that number to not be so far from the true number of members because as 1 can log into many, many can log into 1.

So don't tell me to get my facts straight if your own aren't straight.

>>46 I dream that I have wings, oh, wait, wrong kind of dream.

We don't have a leader. It is a group effort. So everyone is something like a leader.

Dollars are spread out like crazy. You really think a bunch congregate on the SAME device to log in. Maybe a few do, but not the amount you suspect.

Also, you never replied to >>45. I'm interested in hearing about that.

Actually I only saw >>45 right now(i'm busy with other stuff) and the thing is my fathers father made my dad work while he was in school, he only learned IT stuff when he was older, its effed putting a kid to work I know that, but it was almost 40 years ago.

Yes that is true it is true that it's a group effort, but that doesn't make everyone a leader, it makes the whole group a leader, so unless all Dollars are united, there is no leader, and no one can order another.

Also like you said Dollars are spread out like crazy, so it also means that there are Dollars in places were groups of people gather to use one PC with internet connection, after all the world is a diverse place, so it is possible that some Dollars don't own even a mobile phone.

>>48 A lot of kids work while in school. It's called a part time job. Even I have one. But why is he both a mechanic and an IT expert at the same time.

Dollars are united, we can't order one another, but we put effort into where this site goes. Leadership.

You are still overestimating this. I'm sure we don't have like half the members sharing computers. We may have a few, but not as many as you expect. It's possible that some don't own a mobile, but the vast majority probably does.

>>49 Well what my grandfather(which was a mechanic) did to my father is not called a part time, he made him drop out of school at the 7th grade and made him work as a mechanic. Later in life my father took interest in IT so he got into that area, although he his good, working situation here is very very bad so unfortunately it didn't work out, so he has to work as a mechanic.

Hey UnKei. Me again. About give or take 40 posts later. I found this Youtube channel I think you should check out(no, its not me.) They teach you about Japanese culture and what its like there. I found it to be quite helpful, and it reinvirgorated my dream of going to Japan someday. Heck, I might go to study abroad once I graduate from High School. These people are really supportive of people wanting to come to Japan which is one of the reasons they made this channel. They currently have 22 videos, and it seems they do a new one every 2-3 weeks. The Husband is ethnic Japanese and has lived there his whole life, he does the videos when his wife(who came from the US) goes back to the US for her job. She loves it in Japan. So, here's the link. Hope this helps in some way. http://www.youtube.com/user/MyHusbandisJapanese?feature=g-user-u

>>51 Thank you very much Shade, if you ever need any help PM me on my YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/LuckyTuga13
or my facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LuckyTuga

Again Thank you very much^^

>>52 No problem UnKei. Happy to help. If I find anything else that I think may be of help, i'll be sure to let you know.

Thank you again Shade.

Alright, I leave to hang out with my friend on his birthday, and miss a whole fuckton of stuff...

Well UnKei, I'm not trying to have you quit. I'm saying go for it when you're old enough to do it yourself, but right now you don't know enough to make an informed decision. I just talked to a friend who lived in Japan temporarily (Marine Corps) about this. People in Japan are extremely prejudiced. You really don't know what you're getting into, and you're trying to drag your parents into it. That's all I'm saying. Also, I said "it's the stance of the community thus far", which means so far, out of all the community that had posted, it was almost a unanimous agreement that we weren't going to do anything. I didn't speak for the community. I put into one post what the vast majority of the community that had posted almost unanimously agreed on into one post. I'm not saying don't go for your dreams, just don't try to push your dreams on other people, which is exactly what you're doing.

When in doubt, JET program. My cousin did it years ago, and he had to be essentially dragged out of Japan to do things relative to his study. It's one thing to go there and make a living yourself. It's another to consider it as a long term thing, much less expect your entire family to move there and not expect major problems.

>>55 Yes I am trying do drag my parents into it, because I don't want to be dragged into Mozambique like my parents want.

>>56 I think the problems will be bigger if I go to Mozambique, by the way I am Bisexual, do you know what they do there to people who are homosexual or bisexual? I prefer my parents having some culture related trouble, then me being hunted, and possibly killed if some one found out how I truly am.

>Mozambique is frequently regarded as amongst the most tolerant states concerning gays and lesbians throughout Africa.

okbro

>>58 There's this thing called respect for your parents decisions. Ohhhhh, I don't want to move somewhere I might not like. Whatever, move away when you're an adult. And actually, from people who have been there, it's actually pretty safe.

OP honestly sounds like he doesn't even know where Mozambique is on a damn map.

>>59 Thing is the place I'm supposed to go is near Zimbabwe(and on a village not actually on a city)and border control there isn't the best. Also that is the governments point of view, not the point of view of most people. The homosexual hate crimes are some of the most violent in Africa, but even if the fact that I'm bi doesn't get found out, just being Portuguese is kinda dangerous, mostly because Mozambique is one of Portugal's ex-colonies.

>>60 It is if you're in a big city. And have security guards with you. >>61 And yes I do now my geography Mozambique is near Zimbabwe and on the opposite side of Angola, in the more southern area of Africa

Anywayz you guys made your point, I made mine, so I think it's clear you aren't going to help so I think there is no point to further this argument.

>>63 The main language is even Portuguese. A lot of people also speak English. I'm guessing the "tribal languages" your mom had to learn were Swahili (spoken in the for north, near Tanzania), and Nyanja (spoken near the border with Malawi and Zambia). Mozambique is one of the safest places in Africa, and it's people are regarded as extremely warm and friendly. Honestly, where I to live in Africa, Mozambique is probably where I would go.