Upon hearing the devastating election results, it has left many minorities feeling scared. However, California has plans on becoming its own seperate country by 2019.
http://www.yescalifornia.org/
It has promised for Californias to be safer and no longer be taxed to support The State's massive military budget. If able to become a country it will give its people the human right of having free if not, affordable healthcare. California has some of the worst schools in the country but it hopes that if being able to become a country it will allow them to rebuild schools, pay teachers the salary they deserve, with the freedom from "federal education policies and one-size-fits-all standards set by political appointees on the other side of the continent."
-straight from the site.
There's more I didn't mention such as Trade and Regulation, Debt and Taxes, Immigrations, and more.
However with the talk of California becoming seperate, there has been mention of Cascadia.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement)
Cascadia would take part of Canada, Alaska, Oregon, Washington, and Northern California. It could potentially include parts of Idaho, Western Montana, Wyoming, and Yukon.
Taking part of Canada would be highly unlikely considering its a separate country. But if California becomes a separate country, could there be hope for and potential for Cascadia to exist and join with California?
People are saying it is a childish act to break away, others are saying it could do wonders for our minorities for it means we on the Pacific Northwest can rebuild our government, to include basic human rights for all minorities.
What are your opinions?
Should the PNW become a new country?

*correction, it will not be a new country by 2019 but will actually vote on becoming a country or not in 2019.

I highly doubt they will vote to secede,if they do it will cause some major issues

It really is laughable absurd how many people are drastically reacting to Trump winning this presidential election - especially considering the fact they would have been celebrating for months on end if "their" candidate had won. Regardless though of the mountains of salt one could potentially build out of such individuals, I say let them secede. Would be better if they politically corrected themselves into oblivion rather than having to constantly deal with sycophants screaming out "White Privilege!" in a debate every time an actual issue is trying to be addressed. On a side note, I must say that I am rather curious as to how such a "country" will keep itself alive - considering a lot more than just hope and free spirit is needed to keep a nation afloat.

Personally,im more shocked and terrified at the connected bit i found when reading about this on Wikipedia...

The subject in question i found shocking and terrifying?

Hawaii while 'on paper' is a state....Legally,not a single bit. Seriously, read for yourself. Trump should DEFINITELY look into this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_Hawaii

How has this kept on going?! By all description Hawaii is literally Occupied Territory.(unlike that slightly flimsy talk the Texas Republic keeps trying to make.)

>>4 well, the west coast (especially California) are all extremely democratic state, so basically everyone there hates Trump and republicans in general

But I don't think that California would leave, and I don't think the government would allow them to because California is renown for it's technology e.g silicon valley. They basically make all the computers so losing them would be a big blow to our economy.

This will be hard, considering the fact that California joined the Union the same way most states have (with the exception of a few). It will drastically different that running and maintaining itself as a state.

I think this is going a tad overboard, though. I mean is this all because of the election results? Also, I think Texas said the same thing or at least something similar when Obama became president. I don't know, but I doubt California would be able to pull through with this

So kind of like the micronation molossia?

https://thinkpol.ca/2016/11/12/canadians-invite-california-oregon-and-washington-to-join-canada/

Canada has invited tge west coast to become canada now.

l m a o

I don't think anything will come of it, but I think its actually pretty cool just to see them talk about it. Also it's weird how people are saying they hate being politically correct. I think the meaning of that phrase has changed and no one is using it right. However, when ever I read someone saying "I don't want to be politically correct" it usually just means they want a pass to be a jerk. Why is considered pc to respect people? Blows my mind. Same with white privilege, it exists so what? Instead of whining about people talking about it, why not do work to help make it not exist? I read a lot of academic studies and yeah, our country is biased in favor of white people (me) and I don't feel guilty I just try to help when I can. I give respect and I speak up when I see something unfair in front of me...it's not hard.

that's actually a really cool concept, i hope it's true.

Well that will be interesting to see.
Any way, I am wondering if they will go through with it.

this sounds interesting.... I doubt it will be allowed, but it would be different if it actually happened... but then again, with Trump in charge, I'm not totally sure, I guess we will just have to wait and see

If the question is *should* California or Cascadia become an independent country, I think that it would be a fairly good idea. California is an economic powerhouse, & while water supply could be an issue for California's agriculture the movement has the backing of some sizable firms which presumably would remain in the event of independence & continue contributing trade & jobs, to say nothing of Hollywood.

On the other side of things, if the largest democratic state left the union, the GOP would have a permanent edge in the Electoral College, & probably dominate Congress for the foreseeable future, & while I'm glad for my preferred party standing to gain the more important prospect is that the very real threat that a state COULD secede might actually be enough to make folks in Washington seriously pay attention to the rest of the country for the first time in decades.

If we're being realistic here, I must say it'd be an uphill struggle of Olympian proportions. Much of the hype is probably just that, as it was in Texas 8 years ago. The precedent of the civil war has given secession a bad rap, & although the law doesn't actually touch on it at all, there're be many who insist it's unconstitutional that a state should secede. Though when it comes to secession I think you've already gone beyond the domain of law, it'd ultimately end up in the Supreme Court, which would be fascinating but unpredictable.

More bleakly, this's the United States here. We started a war to get California when money & diplomacy wouldn't do the job, our government instigated a coup in Hawaii to acquire it & aided one in Panama for the sake of a trade venture. The Bay of Pigs Invasion, La Coubre, Iran Contra, the list of these things goes on & on. If there weren't a clandestine government effort to squash the movement it would only be because the ruling party stands to benefit form California's departure.

Remember what the south said if Obama won? Heard this story before >_>

TEXAS SECEDE!!!

Notes 2019 as the new and devolved 2016 shitstorm year.

>>5 Will have to read that later.
And no shit man, where is Hawaii compared to every other state?

I agree with that, if tht is going to happen, I want to move to Cascadia.

>>12 The reason people "whine about white privilege" is actually because it DOESN'T exist. Seriously, name me ONE right white people have that others don't. You can't. I've read statistics too, and yeah, the people that commit more crimes tend to get arrested more. Fucking shocker. So instead of blathering on about how the country is "bias" why don't you make an effort to fix the root causes of the issues and not to change the end results.
And people "hate being pc" because it's not so much about respecting people as it is making sure your feels don't get hurt. I will give anyone my respect if they have earned it.
I know that this is complicated but I also know that bringing feelings into such issues will only obscure them more.
Whew... Sorry, I had to say SOMETHING...

>>21
I'm white and even I know this
1. White Privilege is being able to move into a new neighborhood and being fairly sure that your neighbors will be pleasant to you and treat you with respect.

2. White Privilege is being able to watch a movie, read a book and open the front page of a newspaper and see yourself and your race widely represented and spoken for.

3. White Privilege is being able to seek legal, financial and medical help without having your race work against you.

4. White Privilege is living in a world where you are taught that people with your skin tone hold the standard for beauty.

5. White Privilege is never being told to, “get over slavery”.

6. White Privilege is having the prevalence and importance of the English language and finding amusement in ridiculing people of colour/immigrants for their accents and their difficulty in speaking a language that is not their native tongue.

7. White Privilege is arrogantly believing that reverse racism actually exists.

8. White Privilege is being able to stay ignorant to the fact that racial slurs are part of a systematic dehumanization of entire groups of people who are and have historically been subjugated and hated just for being alive.

9. White Privilege is not having your name turned into an easier-to-say Anglo-Saxon name.

10. White Privilege is being able to fight racism one day, then ignore it the next.

11. White privilege is having your words and actions attributed to you as an individual, rather than have them reflect members of your race.

12. White Privilege is being able to talk about racism without appearing self-serving.

13. White Privilege is being able to be articulate and well-spoken without people being surprised.

14. White Privilege is being pulled over or taken aside and knowing that you are not being singled out because of your race/colour.

15. White Privilege is not having to teach your children to be aware of systematic racism for their own protection.

16. White Privilege is not having to acknowledge the fact that we live in a system that treat people of colour unfairly politically, socially and economically and choosing, instead, to believe that people of colour are inherently less capable.

17. White Privilege is not having your people and their culture appropriated, romanticized or eroticized for the gain and pleasure of other white people.

18. White Privilege is being able to ignore the consequences of race

>>22

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It isn't like The United States will just let them leave and become a new country. Remember the American Civil War? Yeah I don't think they will get out that easily. Plus the United States has the largest military. But I would say it is likely that California would become multiple states soon.

Wow. Can't believe California is going to leave. Not surprised tho.

I highly doubt California would actually leave the Union.

Honestly though, I would be so happy if it did. It would garauntee a GOP dominated US, and watching Cali go to shit with its mass immigration combined with cutoff on water from surrounding states would be the greatest thing in the world.

I really hate California.

doubt cali will leave, but with all the donald trump haters, its possible. i'm in cali but i hope we leave, i hate trump so much.

Cal-Exit is not likely to happen sadly, however while looking it up,I did find a ALTERNATE idea...

http://blogqpot.com/images/is%20california%20going%20to%20split%20into%202%20states

California dividing into multiple states. If it did so,we could always add a few stars for other places the united states territorys has outside the country.

>>28
Now that's a bit of interesting research you have found there. I would have never thought of California dividing into different sections into many other states. Honestly, I think the idea is very unlikely to happen. But wouldn't it be interesting to see all the names they come up with

Yea!, left E.U.A. and join again to Mexico!

>>30 California, I believe, would crumble on its own. Mexico? I'd be cool with that. Viva la Mexico.

I heard that Californian Seperatists have gone to establish an embassy in Moscow. If so, that would be funny. I could imagine Russia either letting them because who the fuck cares, or laughing them out.

YEAH RIGHT

you Americans do whatever you please but there is no way BC is leaving XD

if california left i would be happy they respond to opinions with voilance a man was shot in the knee for supporting trump

What I live California and I didn't know that but I want to move California sucks that's so so so crazy!!!

States can't leave the Union that easily. It would turn into a second Civil War for America. It's the last thing we need, seeing as we're divided enough as it is.

Why is evwryone acting like an idiot about the election. They both sucked, but trump was the best of the two options. I didn't realize the dollars was full of cnn-fueled hillary supporters.

>>36 That would be your own opinion no? But this thread is clearly not about the elections but instead about the possible chance about California breaking

Moving back to the original post. In the upcoming hundreds and hundreds of years, the idea of California becoming more and more divided and split is not actually that surprising. I didn't think of it when I first posted something. California is right on a fault like. Half of it is moving one direction and the other in the opposite. Sooner or later one side of California will break apart from America and go its own way. But I do think the chances of California actually leaving the US before then it kinda far-fetched? I don't really see it happening any time soon nor have I seen any news for it. But since I live nowhere near California I wouldn't really know.

Again, I am just throwing my own two cent into the conversation

So...how long til we see a state leave now?

or were they just barking again?hehe

>>38
Well, since pretty much 90% of any campaign in the US is all talk and no shit, probably in a few more decades.
Wait til the economy crashes and life expectancy plummets, and it'll happen.

Ya, California seems more of an all talk and no action state. Although it is true the military tax is high. The prison tax is higher. If it were to break off, reduce its military tax and then give free health care. I feel the tax would primarily stay the same in the end, having to pay for everyone's health and all. But then again they do call California the bread basket of the world... Money could be made with higher prices on what we export. But then again I'm also just throwing in my two cents...

Bad hype retard hype fuck face hype We'res the entertainment hype

bump

I live in California and honestly, I really don't intend on leaving the country in such a way regardless of the president or what happens. It will just make everything complicated and I don't really want to deal with that.

Seems odd that they would take BC along with them? I don't think this would ever actually fly. Even if people hate Trump I doubt they'll break off from the country.

Hy, i'm from Russia. So, i thing that with new USA president we can live together better than before. By the way, who live in USA can you tell me, why many Americans want to leave America after selecting Trump presidential?

As a californian, I think it's a horrible idea. It's a reactionary action that will do more harm than good.

And at Alexey... Are you joking, or do you seriously think racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, classism, fascism, pretty much every "ism" ever is okay?

>>45 A lot seem to think that President Trump is the next Hitler in their eyes, and are actually terrified for their lives to the point that they want to leave America, while others think that America is already a terrible nation and want to leave "before it gets worse."

Both are stupid mindsets, but then again, it wouldn't be bad to see a few bad eggs leave. I also look forward greatly to improved American-Russian relations, unlike the Left, who have been rattling sabers pretty hard with Russia for the last few years.

President Trump isn't really that bad and the people that are thinking that he's Hitler clearly haven't heard of the Holocaust. Don't worry about that fleeing America thing. Some adults and more than handfuls of teenagers are misinformed in politics and in our current president, Trump. Best of wishes to California, though I have some issues of that idea.

-A Milky American

Thank you for your responses, I don't no that many Americans thing President Trump is the next Hitler. So, we can only
wait for further actions of the American government and our goverment and hope for the best.
to j4xx: what do you meen? You want to know about my
opinion of "isms"?

Are Americans the only people left in the world who cannot see that they're not the 'good guys' anymore? Are people so blinded by propaganda and lies created solely to divide your people and benefit the high upper class? How can you justify the wrongdoings of your actions internationally when your own country is falling in shambles

Your country was built on immigration and is now divided by it - as well as class, race and social politics. You were the country that everybody looked up to and for a helping hand once upon a time. Now you have a racist and villainous criminal as elected president? It clearly goes to show what makes up a majority of eligible voters within your 'United States'. Its so sad that in the 21st century such bigotry and idiocy exists in such a powerhouse and once admirable nation.

A ban on Muslims entering the country (now revoked thankfully), plans to build A WALL on the southern border (wonder where all that working class taxpayers money is going to go?), eventual ban/high tax on global imports and abolishing funding to a woman's right to choose to bring life into this world. How are these actions just? How can you allow it to happen, its disgusting.

Im very pro-California leaving the United States, and I hope that they are not the only state to successfully do so. Alot of people need to take a good hard look at stone cold facts about your elected president and the energy he fuels straight into hate and division between HUMAN BEINGS.

Fuck Donald Trump, fuck the new far-right USA. Make change and inspire the world again, dont be the asshole America...

>>50 America doesn't change because of the rest of the world. Nevermind the fact that we took the mantle from Britain and her ancestors, making us the undisputed world superpower - superpowers can do what they want.

> As a land of immigrants

Always a valuable argument from the left, but America has largely been a land of European immigrants, and even then immigration has come in waves throughout history, and whether or not these waves have always assimilated, they were always met with backlash. You think a ban on certain Islamic nations or failing to call some landwhale "xir" is the Holocaust? Look back to exploitation of Chinese workers for rail companies, or the use of White Irishmen over Blacks in slavery in early America, or the Internment of Japanese, Italian, and German citizens during World War II; MacArthy and the Communist Witchhunts are another good example.

Also, President Trump fueling hate? Last I saw, it was left-wing educational institutions that called out Right-wing students, where groups openly spoke of assassination for the POTUS, and I've only seen Leftist riots that have destroyed cities, or attacked citizens and stolen their property, and who endorse groups like BLM and Antifa to beat those they deem "problematic" and whom advocate political revolution.

Now California secceeding? I can agree with that. It will be a brave an inspirational move, even after the Feds cut off their water and pull out military forces, and after business migrates to Seattle and Atlanta, leaving California a crumbling state with no lucrative industries or means to support a dying population. Reminder that a Californian seccession won't be like the South fighting the North; America could literally just withhold water and watch California dry out and die.

An attempted revolution or seccession elsewhere would die, seeing as most of the nation, which voted for Trump, would be against it. The Right has gun owners by large, they now have the government, and the military and police are overwhelmingly Pro-Trump.

It's LITERALLY the definition of "Might Makes Right", and one will find that in history setting an example for others and being a people of tolerance has always been beaten out by "Might Makes Right."

>>49 I'm certain that things will improve for both nations. I certainly hope they do, anyways. A Russo-American friendship would be great for both nations, and the world; hell, the two greatest nations on Earth being friends? Who could not like that?

Well, besides Europe, but they're weak and tend to not like America much anyways. I'd say going from US-EU to US-Russian alliance is a damn good upgrade. I just hope the tension already caused in Eastern Europe and Syria before the President's arrival can be eased soon.

>>50
To answer your first question, jope, it's not just America.
I'm testifying as an Indonesian (for now) that the muslims here are at least three times worse than Trump.
Open extortions, blatant discrimination and violence, acting like everyone should just accept what they do without question, etc. All aimed towards non-muslims. Granted, it's not the whole of Indonesia, it's mainly on Java, but still.
Now there are people (yes, including muslims) trying to hold back the discrimination and our current president is working hard, for whatever reason, to litigate the damage, but who knows what'll happen when his term's over.

As for whether it's just, I'd say it is. Justice is decided by the majority who holds power. There's no justice for the losers.

Also, America was never that great, in fact that part is the blatantly exaggerated one. Even during the most prosperous times in America, the cultural wars still raged on. People were never united in the first place.

"America was never Great"?
Every Time I hear that I wonder why generations of Europeans, Asians, and many others came to America. Right! Because America was great. Why is it that people say that America wasn't great? The US constitution was an unprecedented document when it was written, and it still puzzles many to this day, why a government would voluntarily give power to the governed. It was those first people who founded America which decided that people had what is known as "Human Rights", given to us by our creator (those being life liberty and the pursuit of happiness). They took ideas which were at the time, thought of as ludicrous and backwards. Now, It seems ludicrous backwards to not endow a country's citizenry with these rights. To those who believe that America was never great, I invite you to (1. Visit, if you are from another country, or (2. Try living for a month outside of the US.
There may be things in the history of the US which are less than admirable, (1. but they are nowhere near the atrocities of other nations (which are generally swept under the rug) (2. and such things are generally only thought of as bad in hindsight.

To the Indonesian above, I do not mean to criticize you specifically, I just wanted to soapbox. I see that the situation in Indonesia is not good to say the least. I heard of someone who was converted to Christianity there, who ended up needing to escape to another country for fear of retaliation from those who knew him best. On behalf of those of us in the US, we wish you well.

Well, anyway I suppose it's time for me to get off the soapbox and let someone else have a turn...

Right, My next point, I almost forgot entirely. Well, It seems like California got a gallon sized dosage of secessionim. I seem to remember this happening earlier, when a Republican got elected, and states seceded... Right! the Civil War! And those were Democrats to boot! Although, in a way, It would be beneficial for California to leave. CA gives more money to the Federal Gov. than it receives, so It would start out with an economic surplus. On top of this, The US could start electing some sane people to congress. Frankly, I'd be fine with letting CA go, and moving to OK, WY, or TX. And, I'd like to see what happens, mainly out of curiosity.
I may be the first Conservative to say this but, sure, why not.

Now if this is actually just about trump being elected and Californians not being able to handle it, I have something to say. Just move on. That's what I did in 08. I didn't riot, or even protest for that matter. I went "eh, it happens" and went on with life. I expect others to do the same.

Now I'm done with the soapbox. This time I remembered everything, and left nothing out.

>>54
Visited the US once, saw the obesity plague, got the hell out of there.

Lemme rephrase my previous statement. America was never great, for the people who failed to achieve the American Dream.
In the past, people flocked to America because it was a land of promises, with all the dreams and opportunities. That's how it looked from the outside world, but what about the reality? How many people actually attained happiness in America?
Granted, America might've been better than other countries in the past, but how long did that last?
Now people are obsessed with equality, chanting it over and over as their mantra, it's basically a giant cult.


That aside, don't countries usually abhor separation? Feels like governments are forcing unity (e.g. Taiwan, Papua) so it doesn't diminish their power. Gonna be hard for that to happen.

Well, I have to agree with you on the obesity thing.
And I can see your point about the American dream. I believe that it was achievable at a time, but is now firmly out of reach for many, no matter who you are. The thing which annoys me is that the US tries too hard to be Europe. We declared independence from them for a reason. It also goes to your point of the Giant Cult. Equality is good mind you but these people, who constantly force leftism on the rest of us, are rather annoying.
In the end, I actually kinda agree with you.

The US has a history of doing things weirdly. Including amicable splits and things like that. Besides, California is essentially like it's own country. It has it's own accent, culture, climate, everything. I've gone to other western states, and they all seem like they are all the same. I theorize that to be the reason why this seems like an easy choice for America.