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Philippine Death Penalty (12)

1 Name: Sh**t : 2016-09-14 06:47 ID:EfzDDCg2 (Image: 1024x768 jpg, 79 kb) [Del]

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Philippines currently put back the death penalty where most citizen are against of, refusing to accept the most logical solution to take down murderers, rapist, and etc. and sticks with morality. When the fact that they are not the one who are killing people it's the soldiers and cops burden. And also this is another way of defending the criminals by the citizen. Some keep saying of a better way but couldn't even think of a way. Even if the people stay moral it wouldn't change the people who already are criminals and cold-hearted. And also for those who are thinking of a way other than death penalty in punishing criminals every day their are people who's live are ruin or even worse dead because of this criminals, it's a choice if either you are trying to save the citizen or the criminal. Write about what you think about this issue? and I totally support Death penalty

2 Name: Mayuyu : 2016-09-14 11:15 ID:CnVrapqp [Del]

I kinda support, but i fear they might execute someone innocent in the process of it if became legal. Dont you think it'll be all risky??

3 Name: Evergray : 2016-09-15 06:28 ID:Mhg0Wq2u [Del]

Looking at the state of the country now, I can't help but ask one question in regards to this decision.

What difference does it make?

There are already people dying for their crimes, whether it be through gunfights with cops or summary executions performed by unknown assailants. There are already people who fear the consequences of their actions, people who vow to do better and in the name of good. There are already people have been behind bars countless times and yet they still steal, cheat, lie and/or murder.

Be there a death penalty or not, crime is still a way of life to some, if not most. It is how they get food on their tables, send their sick relatives to the doctor or keep that roof right above their heads. Even with the notion of a death sentence at the end of the road they have chosen to traverse, if crime is still the surefire method they cling to, these people will continue this dangerous journey, hoping to the powers-that-be that they wouldn't get caught this time around.

Sure, with the death penalty granted, there would be a drop in crime rate in the Philippines. But would it be permanent or a temporary thing? Most likely, there will be a steady rise in crime again before dropping back down. The whole process will repeat, a fluctuating line on a grid depicting months of activity, its lowest points never staying there, never staying put when it could.

Remember that the current administration's goal is to eradicate crime within a period of 3-6 months. So far, the whole operation has yet to reach its climax, what with the recent bombing just the beginning of the actual fight against crime. Terrorist groups are rumored to be coming together, drug lords and masterminds are plotting the demise of their oppressors, unknown figures are reaching into the shadows of the government to pull at strings well hidden and have long been set in place. The war on crime has been going on since the start of civilization and yet it is only now that it has taken center stage and actively addressed.

One can go on about the question of morality, the connection between economy and crime, even that age-old ideal that change must start at the very base, with one's self. But know this:

Crime is existential to society. What are policemen without the occasional thief to capture, the occasional syndicate to track down? What is the government, the systemic order in a country, without chaos among men, plunder among brethren? What is justice when corruption is nonexistent?

The utopian society is but a dream. It cannot exist as long as morality remains relative. Might as well erase every single damn emotion known to man, burn away every single memory there is in the records of the world. Because when one knows what is good and what is bad, would they not be capable of doing both?

Ah, philosophy. This is why I dropped you in college.

As for my standing in the death penalty issue, I shall stay neutral for the time being. I have not gathered sufficient data on the matter and the effects of this subject has yet to be felt.

4 Name: Boopwrang !PM7yJG3LAw : 2016-09-15 13:54 ID:f9iHgdn7 [Del]

I honestly do not like the death penalty. Life is the best thing ever since it's everything to everyone. Plus I feel like death is like the easy way out for criminals, they should at least pay for their crimes with punishments and feel the agony they left with their victims. They should also repay society like fix up the towns and whatnot

5 Name: Chrome : 2016-09-16 17:27 ID:8rn4/md7 [Del]

Four things: One, I don't understand how killing someone who killed someone else is accepted morally: you're basically becoming a killer yourself, that of a criminal or not. Two, I thought the point of sending criminials to prison was to make them think about what they did (sounds childish but I couldn't think of another way to phrase it) while they "paid for their crimes" so they would get a chance to start anew in the society when they got out. Three, like Boopwrang said, death is an easy way out. especially in the case of serial murderers: since you think their life as become so worthless we can take it away from him, then how is it enough to atone for the lives of the multiple good people he's killed? Four: Evergray said that for some, it was their way of living, to put food on the table. But if that's the case, isn't it the governement's job, if not the whole society, to help them fit and contribute. Some of those people never had a chance: they were born in misery, live in misery, and will die in misery. What do you expect them to do in the current system? That's what I had to say, and I'd be glad to hear what you have to say about it, to understand things from your perspective. Anyway, saying that really did make me feel better, thanks for bringing this topic up.

6 Name: Sh*t : 2016-09-17 01:11 ID:sCuy+DVh [Del]

Let me contradict all the four things you said: First cops and soldiers kill criminals which make them killers but this is a sin or burden they must carry on keep society in order. And even if your morally good or if the government is morally good this wouldn't change anything criminals continue to be criminals as long illegal transactions are not tended to: Second most criminals never change they stay the same, after breaking out of jail they still do the same thing and even if they committed a crime because of a reason doesn't change the fact that they were willing to kill or to sin just to do it, it's still there fault for relying in crimes for a living that others would suffer: Third killing isn't an easy way out its the most practical solution, they do no need to pay for their sins they need to disappear so that not another one would fall victim of their doings: and Fourth tell me is it worth making crime a living with a cause of hurting others around us, causing pandemonium, disorder and chaos which could eventually be the cause of suffering and probably the down fall of a country

7 Name: Lonicera : 2016-09-17 11:51 ID:5pu1jCqF [Del]

Are you by any chance a victim’s relative?

Personally, as I strongly believe that a man is not born evil but becomes evil due to its background, I also believe that he can redeem himself. So I am against death penalty too.
I don’t like the irrevocable nature of this penalty. Judiciary mistakes are always possible. Moreover I fear that it opens the door to all excesses.
Actually I prefer life imprisonment for murderers and chemical castration for rapists.

8 Name: Chrome : 2016-09-17 12:12 ID:8rn4/md7 [Del]

Thank you for your answer. I think I now understand your arguments. Those were all questions I've had in mind for a while now, and i'm grateful you could provide answers. I'm sure this debate could go on and on for ages with new people coming in with another perspective. I am personally now convinced of the efficacity of the death penalty, even though it still goes against my values. But even convinced, I have a question about your answer: you said "[...] even after breaking out of jail [...]". But don't they usually stay in prison? Is the normality to break out? Because breaking out in itself means you don't aknowledge what you did as wrong and that think you don't deserve the punishment brought onto you, so of course those who did would break the law again. Maybe a part of the problem resides in the organisation of the prisons. But I was talking about those who do stay in prison for the whole time they are asked to, don't you think those could find a place in society? As of four, I think anyone would do anything they could to survive if they saw a way out. Wouldn't you? Anyway, I realize we take this question very differently, I on the side of the ethics of killing a criminal and you of protecting the people. I don't know who is right and who isn't, but I think both death penalty and life-long emprisonment have their reasons to exist as they function in some forms of society that maybe wouldn't work otherwise. I live in Canada and we're fine without it, but I don't know how things work in the Philippines, so in the end i'm just one more dude with an opinion. And it's not anything we say here that's going to change the law in the Philippines, is it? Anyway, thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions and read this text.

9 Name: Shira : 2016-09-18 21:43 ID:45hGNtvg [Del]

I don't care who they are or what they did. No one has the right to take another's persons life, killing is never the answer. Whether the wo/man is guilty or not. It is never right to kill.

10 Name: Leviathan : 2016-09-18 22:36 ID:1ifnCJNO [Del]

Here in a world where life is all equal we keep livestock and kill the unnecessary.In this world where the strong dictate the rules and the weak are oppressed only rulers have the right to decide for they shoulder the burden of their subjects.Death is not an answer but without action more shall follow those as an example for their misdeeds and crime will then rise quickly. Man has not the right to kill but has the right to honor others alongside the slain.Some sacrifices are necessary and for peace and without discipline shall be chaos.Just remember that nothing is true but everything is permitted.

11 Name: Boopwrang : 2016-09-18 23:18 ID:9J09aCBu [Del]

Killing is wrong but if a person threatens your life to and anyone else's, if you can't paralyzing them or have such little time to do anything except take the kill, you should probably do it. It might be better to take one life than let them take many( this goes for bigger proportions too)

12 Name: Leviathan : 2016-09-19 05:07 ID:3SU1cxF/ [Del]

I understand that this world is full of hypocrites and this world is a masquerade where we are forced to attend.Life is full of choices, Survival is a choice and to kill is one of it's means.Justice is just a pretty word that is convenient for one's intention against others.Whatever beneficial is taken as good and whatever inconvenient is taken as evil.For what is to hate sin if to sin is necessary.To live in blind belief and naive ideals is what led man to this age of lies and treachery.