This one is close to home, I go to a neighboring school in the district.

More than 150 students walked out of Hillsboro High School over a dispute about the use of the girl’s locker room by a transgender student.

The walkout lasted for about two hours. Roughly 30-40 people showed support for senior Lila Perry, who wants to use the girls’ locker room during gym class. Perry was born a male but said she has identified as a female since 13.

This student has decided to go into Female changing and bath rooms. When students, parents, and teachers say that they feel uncomfortable, and that this is an invasion of their privacy, the only response given is the supporters calling them bigots. If you were a guy, pissin' away at a urinal, you wouldn't want some girl in jeans and muscle shirt, claiming to be a guy, to stand next to you with a funnel and strike up a conversation. And what I have been told from my friends of Hillsboro is that the feeling is the same. Being labeled nationally for being Trans/homophobic is not something to be taken lightly when a guy, bollocks and all, waltz's into places designated for females. I support her with the struggles she must be going into, but this whole shame game to support one's self at the inconvenience to others is starting to get out of hand.

http://fox2now.com/2015/08/31/trans-student-drops-class-after-200-classmates-protest/

http://www.kmov.com/story/29926467/hillsboro-high-school-students-stage-walkout-in-dispute-over-transgender-student

are that true woman ?
she like a man !!!

I still don't understand why there are separated locker rooms.

>>3 The separate locker rooms are where the men and women change before PE and Sport events. They are separated because to change to pt gear you strip to your underwear. Is this not the same everywhere else?

In my sport club everyone was changing in the same locker.

There're separate lockers here too but I don't understand why people are that mad when a woman penetrates the man's one or the opposite.

Should there also be lockers for the gay people for them not to be attracted by fellow boys or girls ?

For example, a summer I was working in a sport complex, I was bawl out by my boss because I was cleaning the women locker, which was desperately empty at that time.

This is news to me, My school, and others in the district, have always had separate changing rooms so the Co-Ed PE classes can change at the same time. Our school doesn't, however, have Hetero/Homo sexual designated changing rooms.

I have always thought this was the same every where such as in YMCA's and such. but the matter of the fact is that we separate the students by gender because we feel it inappropriate for people to undress in front of the opposite gender. The student in question is of the opposite gender as the girls, but 'Identifies' as a girl and feels he is just being bullied and put down because she's trans gendered. He's making a selfish attempt to shame the schools on her behalf so that he can get her way at the mass inconvenience that it poses to others, no matter what intent he claims.

Gotta agree with Fred on this one. I've ranted about this elsewhere, but the student in the OP was really out of line for our culture.

>>5 I personally think lockers should be separated by both gender and sexual orientation. I am not homophobic and have no issue changing with my gay friends, but changing with strangers who may be interested in you sexually within a tight environment creeps me out. That's the last thing I want to be concerned about during school hours and is the main reason I changed in the restroom.

As for why locker rooms are separated by sex, if you can't understand why, I have a feeling you've never been in a really cramped changing area before. At my high school, changing in the locker room meant being ass-to-ass with a hundred other students stripped down to their thongs, squeezing between one another to get your belongings, and shoving your face in their asses if you needed to get something you dropped.

Having girls and guys together in that environment? No. At least not in our culture, where girls at some schools can't even wear tight pants because male students and teachers get too "distracted".

I agree..i dont ccare how people want to self identify them selves but i already have a hard time changing in the girls lovker with even girls looking at me i know he might "feel" like a girl but hes not so he shouldnt be able to use a girls locker not because we hate him only because we cant only think of how one person feels

I knew something like this was happen eventually.

>>6 Same in England as most schools are co-ed and have separate changing rooms for the "boys male" and "girls female" with no exceptions for boys going into the female changing rooms or vise versa.

I don't see transgender boy/girl or girl/boy becoming exceptions for going into the opposite sex changing rooms as they are still a "boy male" and "girl female" not matter what they wear or what they do to their bodies.

The two ways I can see this going they add transgender boy/girl or girl/boy having to have their own changing rooms or transgender will have to be seen as a belief and left at home like a religion.

Also part of me kind of thinks a lot of this stuff is attention seeking but what ever floats your boat and makes you happy with in legal reasons ofc. :P

Personally, I feel like it really shouldn't be a problem. Everyone is in the bathrooms and changing rooms for the same reasons.
To
A: Use the bathroom
B: Wash hands, fix makeup, gaze into mirror
C: Change clothes
D: Maybe a little conversation with some friends even

People need to stop being so full of themselves and think that a transgendered person is in that bathroom to check them out.

If your that asshole who thinks all the trans guys/girls will stare at you or try to touch you up, trust me, that attitude right there would enough to keep anyone away.

I can understand peoples confusion and possible discomfort if a newly transitioning transgendered person began using the opposite bathroom, while still looking and dressing like their original gender, because you simply cannot know for sure if the person is in the wrong bathroom or if they're transgendered. But if you can tell they're actually trying to look the correct gender for the bathroom they're using, it's really just a dick move to call them out and make them switch.

Well thats my opinion on the matter at least.

>>10 The main issue with this is that in PE changing rooms, women strip to their underwear to change into PE uniforms. and you can argue, "Underwear, Swim-suits, what's the difference".
I understand your points, and if we we progressed more in that direction i think it would be perfectly fine co-ed or otherwise. and I do belive some of it an be chalked up to Bigotry, but the majority of the oppinion i've been hearing... I live in the district, so this is first hand... Is not that this is a transgender issue, there are multiple transgendered students attending this school and other schools in the district. The problem is that it's what we came to expect, Females in the Female changing room, and males in males. None of them are actually saying ANYTHING about being stared at or perverted in Perry's mind, being that he's homosexual/ now hetro. But that he, Knob bollocks and all, is invadeing their privacy of going against teh status quote that we have come to expect. Imagine if a guuy walked into a girls room, or as I put vividly in >>1 if a girl walked into a male's room. It would be met with the same feel and awkwardness. Contrary to most of the articles posted on this matter, (Yes, I have read just about all of them) Hillsboro and others in the Jefferson County School districts are VERY progressive when it comes to Homo, Trans, Bi, or Attack Helicopter Sexual students.

An experiment about toilets (not locker rooms) amused me in high school.

There, boys and girls had separated toilets in the playground, but not in the buildings.

So, in the buildings, everyone was going to the same toilets, were discussing there, and all of that was as natural as breathing.

One day, the playground's men toilets were closed for more than a year, but the ladies and gentlemen signs were left.

No man ever went to the ladies', and whenever I went there I was kicked out because the girls considered me as an invader: I was threatening their privacy.

This could demonstrate that separating ourselves is just a rule we enforce. We just have been learning that kind of rules since our birth.

Btw, you can read all the comment in this thread, none was able to properly justify with better argument that "it creeps me out" or "In our culture..." why boys and girls are separated.

>>9 There was already a gender-neutral restroom provided for the student to change in. He refused to use it.

>>12 That's because there is no other reason for boys and girls to be separated.

>>11
Yes, I understand that they're stripping down, but from my experience in public changing rooms back in my P.E. days, we changed quickly and kept to ourselves.

I feel like you're looking at this more as a man in a woman's changing room rather than a woman with the incorrect body in the woman's changing.

I suppose the reason why this is an issue at all is the fact that people think of trans-gendered people more like someone pretending to be the other gender, rather than it being the mismatching of gender and sex(like a PC with a Mac OS)
That is the largest hurdle that we need to overcome in terms of transgender acceptance probably.

They should just put in no gender bathrooms like the family ones at stores so that way they would have the embarrassment of going into their original bathroom, but don't make everyone else uncomfortable in their new bathroom.

>>14 As i've mentioned, these students haven't said anything about Perry being trans gendered as the problem at all, all they are saying is that Perry is an intact guy. But I do see your point and I wish we have gotten far enough to be able to accept this, but as it is now, I don't feel that it should be forced that he be aloud somewhere that outraged the girls enough that over 150 of them walked out of school just because it isn't 'PC*' to deny him. I support her being able to if it were welcomed by the people in question who are Actually being affected by this, But they just don't feel comfortable when they have had different sex locker rooms for the last 9-12 years, depending on their grade.

>>15 Hilisboro does have Gender Neutral bathrooms, like for teachers, the handicapped, and janitors use. And Perry has used these ever since he made his decision that she was a girl. "So this year, she told teachers and administrators at Hillsboro High School, where she is a senior, that she would no longer be content to use a unisex faculty bathroom. She wanted to be treated like other female students, including access to bathrooms and locker rooms for girls." http://tinyurl.com/ntmmgcl

Perry feels as if useing this one is just like the White and Colored Fountains. That it's just segregating her because he's not normal.


*(PC As In Politically Correct. Sorry, Military liked its alphabet soup with their acronyms).

Aren't transgender people just weaklings who either cannot accept themselves for who they are, or people that are blinded into the sense that they are "truly" the other gender. Weaklings or fools, one of the two in my opinion. Of course if you want to be, or are, both genders then I guess you could also be considered adventurous, although I would just call you insecure as you are never going to truly be both sexes as one set of the organs you have are just fakes, ah living a lie sounds pathetic.

>>17 God you are the biggest fuckin douchebag I've ever seen.

>>17 weaklings? fools?... that is what you really think? (⋋▂⋌)
Imagine what it feels like, what it's like to be born in the wrong body. Imagine how it feels like when people treat you as if you where crazy or ill just for beign born in the wrong body.

It doesn't matter if someone is black, White, gay, transgendered, straight... we are all humans and we deserve the same rights. You can't control other people's lifes and tell them "this is wrong" just because you're afraid of what you don't know or what is different.
Someone said we should respect other people's opinions as long as those opinions don't damage anybody's rights. I think that is very true so now, I want you to ask yourself "are transexual people damaging other people?"

Bye!

>>19 thank you.

They just need some time to get to know them. It will be a little awkward but once they get to know their personalities, it would be less awkward.

>>19 Are transsexual people damaging other people? No. But I have nothing against transsexual people, I'm an extremely neutral person. However, I certainly do have an opinion of what I see in these people who specify themselves in a way. You say they are "born in the wrong body" but aren't they just mentally weak? They just cannot accept what they truly are. Why do they feel they should be the opposite sex? They don't feel comfortable doing boys things? They have a personality of a female? No. There is no set type of personality for a female, there are no activities that are specifically "boy things". Aren't they just afraid that people will think they are different? Scared that people will judge them because they don't enjoy these so called "boy activies" or things that aren't boy like. Transsexual people aren't damaging others, but they are damaging themselves by denying what they are and becoming a slave to the views of others. Why do you need to be the opposite sex to do the things you do? To think they way you think? Each sex has a huge variety of people and personalities, not as many people will judge them as you think. However, when you deny who you are, when are insecure of who you are, people WILL notice it.

>>22 I know I'm just a weird punk rock otaku potato behind a nickname who doen't mean anything to you and that is useless having this conversation because I won't change your mind and you won't change mine. But, again... I think the same as you, there shouldn't be "girl activities" or "boy activities" because that is sexism and it's a stupid form to tell us how we need to act or how not.
But we are talking about a deeper and a different theme. As I said before, it's beign born in a wrong body, and it's not as easy or simple as it seems. It's not about "girl activities" or "boy activities" is about WHO YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF AS.


ummmm... well, think about it. Truth doesn't exist, so, this is just a thought I wanted to share. I'm not right and you aren't right too. There is no way to be right in this world, but remember we should all respect each other and everyone has the right to live and do what they want unless they damage other ones.

I won't reply again so, Bye!
And, to finish with this, as Shizu-chan once said "It's not that I'm busy,I just don't want to spend more tan two and a half more minutes of my life with you!" but with love <3

Screw them! Go on Lila. Think about it. She's a girl. They're trying to force a girl to go into the male bathrooms. Just think about that

>>24 Lila is male/boy who is transgender as a girl and wants to go into the female locker room, >_< what part of that did you not understand, he is still a male/boy/man who wants to get changed in the female locker room with the real female/girls that may strip down more then their underwear.

The question is do you want to have a male/boy/man standing in the showers with you?

also another side of this could lead to bullying from the real female girls on the transgender person in the locker rooms.

>>24 I would be on your side if not for two things. 1. Perry-Lila was a guy before he identafied as a girl, if He we mentally a girl his whole life and wasn't accustomed to be in the same room of guys, I'd think it bad for her to be int eh same room as guys. But he's been a guy and already adjusted to the mens room.
2. He was aloud, (NOT FORCED LIKE PEOPLE ARE SAYING), To use the gender neutral teachers bathrooms. She isn't being forced to use the gender neutral or the men's.

Being here first hand, NO-ONE IS SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT PERRY-LILA DOING ANYTHING TO ANYONE. But all the girls, WHO ARE ACTUALLY AFFECTED BY THIS, Have only been saying that they don't want Perry-Lila in the female restroom the same way they don't want a guy in there. I understand that there are no differences in restrooms, but when a guy goes into a Female Designated restroom, which all of you are trying to make it sound like some archaic concept, It's met with some sort of lashing, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvFVHO5ym1s, Not because they think, "OH! He's going to perv out on us", but that he's not supposed to be in there.
>>22 With the Male and Female seperate activities being deemed "Sexist". It's there because of 2 reasons.
1. Earlier in life when you're going through puberty, guys can't control their 11th finger and it would be embarresing both for him and the girls who either haven't learned about that, or never seen it before.
And
2. Because the activities for Male classes here are more Hands On and Physical I.E. Football, Soccer, Lacrosse Ect. Having Been in both Male Specific PE and Co-Ed PE/"Team Sports", I can say that the reactions and participation are completely different. Furthermore, Female class participation as well as Physical Test output is WAY below marks as compared to males.
For Example, All but two females in shared sports just stand around during every activity. As I've heard second hand from my female friend, the same could be said about Female Specific PE. And also when doing PE Tests with Shuttle Run, Push Ups, Pull Ups, Sit ups, and Flutter Kicks(+Optional Mile Run), There were NO Female Runners and over 70% of males who ran. As well as no females doing more then 1 Pull-up/Chin-up. I'm not trying to say ANYTHING about one being superior, but the ways the classes run is contrasted greatly compared to one another.

>>27 We're going off topic a bit. But as a female who has been in gym classes where no girls participated, I feel pretty comfortable saying that it's a societal thing rather than a girls-act-different-than-guys thing, at least in America.

Between menstruation, fatigue from extreme dieting, lack of education regarding muscle development, and a general lack of self-confidence, it's no surprise that girls feel less comfortable participating and being physical. It can be damaging both physically and emotionally in a way much worse than a broken bone from a tough game of soccer.

Physical education teachers don't understand how to deal with the problem, so they just back off and allow them to not participate if they feel uncomfortable doing so. Boys tend to be pushed a lot more regardless (which I feel is inappropriate). That's where the difference in how the classes are run come from.

That said, our schools have always had teams for both sexes for most sports. The only exceptions were football being limited to boys and lacrosse being limited to girls. Even our wrestling team was co-ed without any problems. Girls who want to participate in sports are way more aggressive when they're outside the awkward phys/ed environment.

>>28 Thank you for your impute. And, just to clarify, i didn't mean school sports, but Physical Education classes and the sports played during said classes.

>>29 I'm well aware. I was only mentioning the school teams offhandedly in that last paragraph.