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Palestinian baby burned to death in settler attack (14)

1 Name: Anonymous : 2015-08-01 09:03 ID:ZhqrvZHY (Image: 660x371 jpg, 35 kb) [Del]

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An eighteen-month-old Palestinian child has been burnt alive in an arson attack by suspected Jewish extremists on a home in the West Bank village of Duma.
Ali Saad Dawabsha was asleep with the rest of his family when masked individuals targeted the house with graffiti before throwing two firebombs into the home at 4am on Friday morning.

The attackers allegedly daubed the walls of the two homes in Kafr Duma with a “Price tag” slogan - as used by Israeli extremists in the past - which was quickly shared on social media.They also reportedly sprayed “revenge” and “long live the Messiah” on the walls in Hebrew,Although the child’s father, Sa’ad, managed to get his wife, Reham, and four-year-old son Ahmed out of the building, witnesses told reporters he was unable to find the youngest as there was no electricity. The house next door, which was also targeted, was empty.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/palestinian-toddler-burnt-alive-after-masked-jewish-extremists-target-home-in-arson-attack-10429165.html

2 Name: Magnolia!2ipznOcc5g : 2015-08-01 13:09 ID:XvOMGAnd [Del]

Until we actual have suspects, it's a bit early to call them Israeli extremists, isn't it? This is just murder by arson by a pyro enthusiast for now.

3 Name: Anonymous : 2015-08-02 15:44 ID:+rrhzxXt [Del]

>>2
Terroism - the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. They used this attack to incite terror into a population for their goal of delusional "revenge". And they have be known to have committed such crimes in the past as they left their calling cards.
Why would you elevate their act? And make it appear less than it actually was.

4 Name: Magnolia!2ipznOcc5g : 2015-08-02 16:01 ID:XvOMGAnd [Del]

>Why would you elevate their act? And make it appear less than it actually was.

Can you read? I don't think Jewish terrorists did this.

The U.S. Code of Federal Regulations defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
For now, it looks to me like arsonists who either wished to instigate and throw more fuel to the fire, or just wanted to throw investigation off of their trail.

I could easily randomly set fire to someone's home (and yes, this appears to be a random act because this Palestinian family appear to be randomly chosen out of many homes in that area) and left a spray painted ISIS insignia on the driveway just to fuck with people.

I mean, is this one case out of a string of recent arson attacks? So far, I see that it lead to an outburst of rage and a short riot, which may have been what the arsonist wanted. I don't see a political statement here, just murder.

5 Name: haunted : 2015-08-04 17:34 ID:3CujeDiJ [Del]

aw you dont think
then who will target a familly that have nothing
even the citizens can't buy weapons from the black market and they can't have access to it
you have another explanation?

6 Name: Magnolia!2ipznOcc5g : 2015-08-04 19:35 ID:XvOMGAnd [Del]

>>5 Before you try to insult my intelligence, how about you work on your spelling & grammar enough to learn how to make a complete sentence.

And whether English is your first language or not doesn't matter, because you walked straight into that one.

>then who will target a familly that have nothing
.......ANY criminal! I mean, was that a serious question??

>even the citizens can't buy weapons from the black market and they can't have access to it

...What're you talking about...? You don't need black market grade weapons to start a fucking fire! Cavemen should be proof enough of that!

7 Name: Fortune_and_Fade : 2015-08-06 22:16 ID:dXNLpNWv [Del]

“long live the Messiah”
I'm pretty sure any living Messiah would at least frown on arson and persecution.

8 Name: Spysean1499 : 2015-08-07 00:21 ID:lBlOxock [Del]

thats.... really....

Sad :(

{I actually cried when I read this}

9 Name: nilhist : 2015-08-07 13:19 ID:Xu/t4tAW [Del]

>>6
You should argu her point and not insult her writing ability. Not everyone has procienfint english. The buliding was firebombed and that is not something your avergae criminal has.
>>5However you should arue your point not insult someone elses inteligence.

May I ask, if a jewish home was fire bombed, burning to death a baby, and an isis symbol was left behind . Would you still call it arson?

10 Name: Inuhakka !inb4CaTsQw : 2015-08-07 13:37 ID:8r0jh2uQ [Del]

>>6 Spelling and grammar proficiency are mutually exclusive to intelligence and reasoning capabilities. You might as well discount all dyslexic people's arguments along with this person's.

11 Name: Magnolia!2ipznOcc5g : 2015-08-07 14:07 ID:XvOMGAnd [Del]

>>9 I don't think people are understanding my point; at the time, no Jewish terrorists had claimed that this was their doing. This is why I wrote, "For now, it looks to me like arsonists who either wished to instigate and throw more fuel to the fire, or just wanted to throw investigation off of their trail. "

>>10 "Spelling and grammar proficiency are mutually exclusive to intelligence and reasoning capabilities." Not every time- and I doubt dyslexia was this guy's problem. He insulted my intelligence, I insulted his; that simple.

12 Name: Inuhakka !inb4CaTsQw : 2015-08-07 15:46 ID:AVvY/UWf [Del]

>Not every time
I am wrong, I meant to say independent. Mutually exclusive means they can't happen at the same time, which is false. Independent means they could both happen, but one happening does not affect the other (like dyslexia and ADHD, for instance). It could very well be someone is less intelligent and not proficient in English, but you cannot infer any information about one deficiency from the other. It's lazy.

The ability to correctly remember an arbitrary set of rules specifically related to letters is not correlated to the ability to reason.
The reasoning would come in if, say, you had to infer how a new rule would work based on the ones you know. Or decoding a non-existent word based on words you do know. That is related to intelligence.

>I insulted his
It's not that simple. Them messing up grammar is not related to them reasoning about events. Connecting the two is a failure of reasoning. Trying to say their reasoning or intelligence is poor because they didn't write correct English is a failure of reasoning.


That being said, I'm not sure about this.
I don't know how much of an indication these messages left after are. Anyone can write them to make their random attack seem more legitimate or important. But then, how else are you supposed to tell if the attack was by a group unless the leader of the group comes out and says it was them?

13 Name: Magnolia!2ipznOcc5g : 2015-08-07 18:47 ID:XvOMGAnd [Del]

Mate, I tried looking up an article or research paper besides opinions that were evidence of this. Most people have the example of dyslexia or a mental problem that would refute my opinion if I were including those kind of people. Other people were calling poor grammar as little as mixing up your and you're. I'm not talking about that; he didn't make a single complete sentence; that's what I call poor grammar.
So far this is just your opinion vs mine, and unless you can give me something, I'm not changing on this.

> Them messing up grammar is not related to them reasoning about events.

...When did you think I made that kind of connection? Because I don't recall doing so.
He made a sarcastic remark "aw you don't think", suggesting incapable of thinking. I remarked on how he was incapable of making a coherent sentence. There were two parts of that comment, I don't believe I indicated that they were related.

(This thread is getting so derailed. Are we done yet?)

To the bottom part: I'm glad that at least someone else gets the idea that I was trying to get across.

14 Name: Mikoto : 2015-08-09 08:50 ID:zHWuT/CN [Del]

This boy's father just died yesterday because of his severe wounds !! and now only the mother and her 4 year old kid are alive! It is just so sad and heartbreaking to see people do such an act, although it is not something strange as we all know what the israeli government has done to the palestinians during more than 40 years now ! ( I know this is not made by the gov. but they did much worse )