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US colleges could be free? Thanks to these new bills proposed by democrats! (58)

1 Name: Leigha Moscove !9tSeSkSEz2 : 2015-06-08 08:31 ID:xZY/6d2Y [Del]

I'm assuming that you Americans have heard of Obama's GI bill. For those that haven't. Americans get free 2 years of community college. Pretty sweet, right?

It's actually kind of fucking awesome. Click here to read it.

Now, this has sparked a lot of controversy for many reasons. One of the biggest is taxes. Our hard earned tax money is going to pay for this, which could only raise taxes.

To this, I say that people who graduate college get paid more, and since our taxes are based on how much you make, that means that you'll be giving the government more when you graduate.

Another I've heard is entitlement. People think that they're owed college, so they'll start to blame the teacher, which will then decrease the worth of the education much like public education has decreased.

In which I say, this reflects on our society. This is something that we need to change about public education anyways. Don't use that as an excuse to deny people an education.

Since college is expensive as fuck and there's tests to get into college, it highly focuses on privilege. The people who can pay for tutoring for the SATs and ACT as well as those that can afford to pay for expensive colleges (rich kids generally) end up on top more. Grants and scholarships only help so much when you have a full time job to pay for everything.

Okay, I'll let you guys argue on all of this while I give you the actual new bit of news.

Bernie Sanders, a democratic senator from Vermont, proposed the College for all Act. Which makes 4-years college free (which I have minor issues with considering many engineering fields are 5-year), but hey If you want to pay my 4 out of 5 years of college, please do! Except for the fact that I've already paid for it :(.

Okay, here's your source.

The idea is that you treat your nation's youth like the future and not like profit centers, and also something that European countries have already started using.

Now, let me say something! Unless your parents are filthy rich (ie you're an only child of parents in upper-middle class or your parents are upper class) you're going to be stuck paying for loans for DECADES with the exception of those in certain fields (not fields that everyone can excel in, mind you).

College loans are THE ONLY LOANS that you're not given to based on your income. Because the funny thing is, in the real world you have to be makign money to get a loan. Funny how they want to know that you can pay it off before giving you money, isn't it?

Then when you graduate, you're expected to get a job in six months. You have six months before you have to start paying off these loans. Which is fine if you get a job in your career. Not so much if you get a job at McDonalds because places want experience, not something one has when they get out of college.

Now, I want a calm, informed, and educated debate about both these bills. Pros? Cons? Your opinions? Why you think that way? Possible solutions to the cons?

Should America do this, or should the hope of our nation's future depend on blind luck and how much mommy an daddy makes? Please share!

2 Name: MissCocoaNeko : 2015-06-08 10:43 ID:ciHyn7dL [Del]

Aw man this isounds fantastic. I'd love for the 1st two years of my college to be free when I go. My family doesn't make a lot and it's kinda rough right now so if I didn't get scholarships I'd be stuck with loans. Yay me. 0.0 Anyway, it could have an effect on education quality. I've noticed that when my peers pay for something themselves they appreciate it more but when someone else pays for it...well they didn't pay for it so why should they care? That sounds like a public high school all over again and being as I go to one, it isn't pleasant being around students who don't care about their education.

I think free college should be handed to those who actually need it AND take their education seriously. Some need it but they're too busy playing around to care. You need to look at a family's financial situation to determine if they need those 1st two years free. If you give it to them and all they do is goof off and make barely passable grades, take it away from them and make them pay. I don't want someone who isn't serious taking away from someone's tax money when a devoted person could be recieving it.

3 Name: HAM : 2015-06-08 10:45 ID:nH8/6KY7 [Del]

Look at all the other countries that have free/easy to pay education. Look at how every country pretty much makes fun of the US for making students pay for education.

Knowledge should be free. It angers me that kids have to pay to take tests, let alone pay for college, pay to even APPLY to college, etc. You get education in this country based upon you economic status and that is entirely unfair.

The only issues I can think of involving free college (kinda like what OP stated) is how to pay for utilities, food, boarding, and teachers? Should it all be a part of taxes, or should tuition be free not including the necessities? Another issue is that college might be harder to get into. For example, college education is free in Germany, but because of that they only accept top-tier students. It's one of the miniscule things that's nice about US colleges, a wide range of people do have the chance to apply as long as they take loans (but are the loans worth it?).

Side note, the countries that pay the highest taxes in the world for things like education and healthcare also have the happiest citizens according to lots of surveys (correlation or causation?).

Also sidenote, I love Bernie Sanders, ya'll should look at what else he's for/against, he's amazing.

4 Name: MissCocoaNeko : 2015-06-08 11:04 ID:ciHyn7dL [Del]

>>3 I agree that education should be free but if it makes it harder to get in...Well if free makes it harder to get accepted then kids should actually study and not blame the teacher for the lack of learning. I just worry that some people won't value their education as much because some don't care if they aren't paying for squat.

Paying for tests is super annoying and I'm not looking foward to paying application fees if the college won't accept me. It's like I'm paying for them to tell me no.

5 Name: HAM : 2015-06-08 11:37 ID:nH8/6KY7 [Del]

>>4 Some teachers are actually terrible, though. And also I dont see how people would think of education as any less?? Like, you still have to do hours upon hours of work and studying to get your degree, money shouldn't be a part of it's value???

6 Name: MissCocoaNeko : 2015-06-08 11:46 ID:ciHyn7dL [Del]

>>5 Believe me, some teachers are terrible I know. It's hard to get a good teacher these days. I know money shouldn't be part of an education's value but I do know people who think it should. Some of my peers get mad when you tell them they shouldn't waste a free education. They think it doesn't matter as long as they don't have to pay for anything so they play all day and don't do the hours of work it takes to get a high school diploma. If they don't care about the high school diploma and the work it takes to get it, I worry that they won't care about a free college education.

Free education is wonderful. They should be grateful they have it because there are kids in this world that don't have the opportunity to go to school.

7 Name: Leigha Moscove !9tSeSkSEz2 : 2015-06-08 12:35 ID:xZY/6d2Y [Del]

A lot of people are bringing up a decrease in education quality by the fault of the students, >>3 I believe that the increased effort to get in that Ham stated here should kind of make up for that. Because then only those that take it seriously will work their ass off an make it in.

I also think that like with grants, you should keep a minimum GPA to keep getting it free. However, colleges require a certain GPA to stay in. GPAs are required to keep certain majors. Clubs and such require certain GPAs. A certain GPA is required to get internships (usually a 3.0 or 3.5) which you kinda need to get a job when you graduate. You know, experience.

All of these things requiring GPAs (usually a 2.0) in my experience might help. Plus you can only retake classes a certain number of times (like 3?).

Granted, all of these aren't' going to for sure detour slackers, but if you raise the standards, maybe? Because you have to stay in the college to get it free.

I also think that once you drop out or flunk out you shouldn't be paid for anymore unless you've got a really good reason.

Like, if I had to drop otu and get a job to take care of my siblings, then that's a good reason. Maybe guardianship papers or something will be needed as proof in my example?

8 Name: HAM : 2015-06-08 13:09 ID:nH8/6KY7 [Del]

>>7 Yeah I agree with what you said. However, I dont only blame the students when it comes to the US's decrease in education quality. Look at all the laws passed and requirements involving school that, since passed, made our education levels compared with other nations go down.

For example, gym class. Fuck gym class. School is for learning, not exercise if I wanted exercise I'd take a freakin' sport.

9 Name: Anonymous : 2015-06-08 13:17 ID:7GEb9qZX [Del]

>>8 It's a way to force physical exercise on kids, just happens to be through an outlet all of them use (school). Making it part of your mark is only to increase the motivation to actually do it. I don't think it's a particularly bad idea, many kids stop doing intense physical activity all together when they stop having to take gym class. It is in the government's interest to keep people healthy, otherwise I'd agree and say it's everyone's choice what they do with their own health. But, there are problems with it and I didn't like it either when I was in high school. So, I'm not really sure.

10 Name: MissCocoaNeko : 2015-06-08 15:36 ID:ciHyn7dL [Del]

>>8 and>>9 when my mom was in school they like, 3 years of gym class to graduate. I understood they wanted to keep kids healthy but I thought it was a waste of learning time. Now you only have take 1 year (at least you do in my school's system) but when I did, I felt like my time was wasted. It wasn't the gym teacher's fault, but I just don't feel like gym is a necessity. Health class, yes we need that. Some kids barely know what's harmful to their body because we only take a semester of health but boy do we know all the rules to soccer. If we need gym, sure why not but I do see Health class as more important.
>>7 I agree that we should have grade requirements to recieve the free aid. It can't just be handed out if someone doesn't try to maintain grades. Plus if it's handed out freely and slackers get a hold of it, then the government can take it away saying we don't appreciate it. The grade requirements would help prevent that so that a few bad apples don't spoil it for the rest.

Oh I forgot a point>>8 made about the quality of education. It's very true that some of the laws have caused a loss in quality. The standardised tests are part of the problem. See, when test time comes around, lesson plans tend to get dropped right there so we can spend an entire month taking practice tests and discussing them. Yes the tests were important BUT so were the lesson plans. They basically said "pass this or you'll never succeed in life and you'll wind up working in McDonalds your whole life." We worried too much over one test nevermind that our daily lessons were just as important. Time reviewing for that single test could've been spent learning.


11 Name: Leigha Moscove !9tSeSkSEz2 : 2015-06-08 17:00 ID:xZY/6d2Y [Del]

>>8 and >>9 Yes, Gym class is a waste of time. My mom had to have 4 years of gym in high school. It should be up to the parent. However, with 2/3 of the population overweight and 1/3 obese, obviously the parents are too fat and lazy for such nonsense.

Also, I had to take "one and a half" years of gym when I went to high school. The quotes becuase the one semester of gym was literally textbook work. Now THAT'S a waste of time. I also feel that gym should be more about exercise and less on how to exercise and dodge ball.

It's the person's decision to be fat, but someone has to be there for the child and show them the importance of health. Otherwise the kids would be too lazy too run around and play. Have you seen how many kids that would rather sit and play on their computer rather than play outside? When my parents were children, that's all they did! It's good to start good habits.

>>10 It depends on the school system. When I went to school, all we learned was how to pass the tests. Half way throguh the year, we'd have practice tests which require extra hard studying as well as at the end of the year.

Like, okay. You can argue pretty damn well the importance of math, science, and writing. Reading comprehension? No. There is no logical reason why I have to be able to read a book about a dog running up the hill then tell you WHY the damned dog ran up the hill. No reason at all.

And maybe give a few more electives to high school students, yeah? When I went, there wasn't much. All pretty much the same importance and science and math when it came to determining your college major.

You pretty much had art, band, orchestra, theater, and the basic shit. There was "intro to business management" which you pretty much bullshat a class on using Microsoft word then played games on the computer the rest of the time.

Like, there was no workshop, programming, or any other exploratory classes that'd give someone a taste of what they could do for the rest of their life. So when you graduate, you don't know what all of the options are, and you're left o do that exploring in college.

By the way, need I point out that you're supposed to figure out what you want to do before college? So you can A) choose a major and B) choose a school. Since some schools are better know for certain programs than others (and not all colleges have the same programs).

When I was a junior in HS, I pretty much decided "something that involves math. I'm good at math." I had no driving passion of something I liked to do. My sister eventually was like "Do this. You like this!" I had no idea what that was, but decided, "Sure. That sounds fun!" The major turned out completely different from what I expected, and I didn't find out until after I started classes for the major (because there's core classes then core for the college). So changing majors and therefor colleges was too much of a pain.

Eventually, I decided I like it, I'm good at at, and it's interesting, but by then it's like, "I should have known that years ago. Now I have to figure out what I want to do after this." Half way through college.

12 Name: MissCocoaNeko : 2015-06-08 17:46 ID:ciHyn7dL [Del]

>>11 I swear all they focus on is why a story event happened or why we as students think it happened. I think it's important to understand what you're reading such as this event happened and then this one happened. In life I'm not gonna explain why over every detail I need nor do I think explaining it will "enhance the reading experience" like they keep telling us

In the electives department, school hasn't changed. We have the basics as well but...well, we HAD them anyway. My school took away the music program(they say we get it back in August) so all we had is theatre and art, literally nothing else.

Sure I like art but I'd love to learn the piano or cello. I'd also love sewing and designing and how to create music. Unfortanately, the school only cares about math, english and, science because they're pushing us to become doctors and lawyers. I wanna make music, design clothing, and study Japanese and Spanish when I get to college but they're more interested in me becoming a lawyer or something.

The staff gets upset when we don't know what to do in college but they don't give us ways to explore options. They tell us "No we don't have enough funding" which is understandable but then they say "Focus on math and science so you can be in those fields" it urks me because I know they want those test scores and kids in fields that will make the school look good. Just because Bobby wants to be a doctor doesn't mean we all want to so they could at least give us home ec or whatever they call it.

13 Name: Leigha Moscove !9tSeSkSEz2 : 2015-06-08 18:38 ID:xZY/6d2Y [Del]

>>12 my hs had foreign languages. But they hit rid of Latin and added Chinese because no one was signing up for Latin but the otakus were taking over and making Japanese a hit.

Even though Latin would help the average person far more that Chinese will. At least that helps us with our vocabulary, sat,act,and so on

14 Name: MissCocoaNeko : 2015-06-08 19:07 ID:ciHyn7dL [Del]

>>13 Yeah I don't get why they don't teach Latin anymore. If it's on standardised testing they should have us take it. Plus it's nice to have some extra vocabulary.

15 Name: Magnolia : 2015-06-09 07:42 ID:aAkTDUYL [Del]

>>13>>14 For me, learning Latin first really helped before learning other languages. It was kind of like foreign language boot camp where it broke your need to phrase a sentences the way you wanted to and to yield to another language. You didn't see the point in it until after you had finished the class, and BOOM! You now know Latin. Made it easier on me to learn other harder languages, because Latin was like the first step towards breaking you into accepting the rules of a new language without it being too hard because of the similarities it shared with the English language.

16 Name: Hiroki : 2015-06-09 12:01 ID:orFg6bX3 [Del]

Nice move ! That brings more equalities.

In France I pay ≈ $700 for the tuition fees in my engineering school (INSA Centre Val de Loire)

In Germany, that would be FREE.

17 Name: Magnolia : 2015-06-09 12:50 ID:aAkTDUYL [Del]

>>16 $700 doesn't even cover a course that I take online.




FUCK

18 Name: Blank : 2015-06-09 13:17 ID:2vS+xqRt [Del]

you go to college to pay for a degree ..in reality knowledge is free the smartest people in history didn't even attend school.. one example would be Albert Einstein.

19 Name: HAM : 2015-06-09 13:20 ID:nH8/6KY7 [Del]

>>16 this is why everyone laughs at the us

and also every other problem we have. honestly.

>>10 this. in our school you have to take gym class every year in middle school through high school. i think at a certain point it should be the students choice, and if a student is taking a sport then they shouldnt have to do gym. also health class is important, but not only is it not in depth most health teachers are terrible and dont even cover important topics like birth control. not to mention in some schools in this area, you can get out of health class because you "feel uncomfortable."

and yes, standardized testing has really gone to far. even john oliver made a video ranting about how terrible it is. one of the reasons i cant wait for college is for it to be about learning, not wasting my time learning stuff i dont care about so i can pass the tests to get into college or "fit my states guidelines."

20 Name: HAM : 2015-06-09 13:21 ID:nH8/6KY7 [Del]

>>18 that's not true it's a false thing the internet created.

also Albert Einstein was an asshole who abused his wife and really wasnt that smart compared to a lot of other people. the only reason everyone knows about him is because he got flirty with the media.

21 Name: HAM : 2015-06-09 13:22 ID:nH8/6KY7 [Del]

>>20 well, depends on how you define "abuse". read the letters he sent to his wife, tho, they're pretty terrible. the things he said had "tsk tsk" written all over.

22 Name: MissCocoaNeko : 2015-06-09 14:31 ID:AFVn/pWg [Del]

>>19 I haven't taken health yet but I hear that basically all they do is say use condoms and follow the food pyramid. How do you "feel uncomfortable" in health class? Yeah talking about sex is awkward but the school has to teach us this stuff for our own good. If they don't talk about dieting they talk about safe sex but we don't get any lessons on body parts.

Part of the problem with health teachers being terrible is that they're licensed to teach physical education(gym class), but they teach both gym and health. That's how it is at my school anyway. Anyway, they can tell you what exercises are good for your muscles but they can't really explain how to handle stress or a whole lot related to health class.

I feel like standardised testing was designed to make schools look good more than anything. I've heard that the better the test scores, the more funding they get so basically it's all about money and reputation. Sometimes I pass this school that has a BIG sign saying "99.8% of students pass ISTEP testing here".

We should just have free education. Why pay to learn? I didn't have to pay when I learned how to read or walk so why pay for more knowledge? I've always wondered, why do we have to pay for college in the first place. We get free public elementary and high schools but college isn't?

23 Name: Magnolia : 2015-06-09 15:38 ID:aAkTDUYL [Del]

>>18>>22 College furthers your understanding and learning of the world, more so than high school/middle school/elementary school combined. It teaches you how to be an adult, work as an adult, schedule as an adult, and further your studies in the major you choose so that the degree you earn will look better on your resume than someone who only accomplished high school or someone who didn’t even graduate from high school. I’m surprised that this is even a discussion. YES you can learn a lot from the internet, but first you have to discern fact from fiction and biases, and read the evidence provided that states something is true, and then if you can’t understand it, you’ll have to look up all the different terms on your own, and then to make sure you understand it, you have to look up practice quizzes. While in a Biology book, for example, the proof of it being factual is already there, the definitions are already there, and the practice quizzes are already there. Not only that, but a degree and the grades made towards it are all proof that you DID the work. If we decided to all just “learn for free”, anyone could say that they studied in a subject when they hadn’t. I can guess what the solution is for that; a test, right? Like the college tests you’d receive in school anyway?

Not only is the education important, but also the social interaction is just as important. In university are pools of classmates rich with networking potential that can help you reach your dreams, and you can help reach theirs. I think you're mostly speaking of entrepreneurs like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. They still went to college, they just never got a degree. Through college they were able to do networking that further aided and supported their ideas, and later, their business. Most importantly, you gotta compare those single number rich folk and geniuses to the vast /millions/ who did get a degree and then became rich. If you believe you can make it without a degree, that’s cool, but you just need to look at the statistics of those who have a degree and a middle class or upper middle class salary, and compare it to those who don’t have a degree and still have a middle class or upper middle salary.

The education I received from an IB World school made me realize the poor quality of our education system, and how it didn’t instill the hunger for knowledge and information like that school did. It didn’t have you question authority or regularly throw you into debates and practice researching and defending your argument LOGICALLY and not with zealous biases. Even better, it taught you the importance of an open mind and respecting different cultures as well as different social statuses. Attending this school, speaking with the students and teachers who came from all over the globe, made me change my opinion on gay rights and marriage. Each lesson helped me better formulate my opinion, accept the cultural views of others, and see the world through opened eyes and an eager mind.

24 Name: Magnolia : 2015-06-09 15:46 ID:aAkTDUYL [Del]

Even if you were to learn by yourself, and buy your own textbooks and tests, which still costs money, so my only complaint is why can't college cost less? The textbook sometimes didn't even cost $200; the paper and the ink for tests, guides and homework couldn't have been more (depending on the class size). Even if you factor in the salary of your professors and the utilities of the university, it leaving you $50K-$100K in debt makes no sense at all…

25 Name: HAM : 2015-06-09 16:35 ID:nH8/6KY7 [Del]

>>22 some health classes are worse, they wont even cover what a vagina is and basically say "be abstinent or die". tl;dr mean girls is real satire on the us school system. mine wasnt so bad as we got to cover a wider range of topics than the average health class, but my teacher was terrible and gave some outdated information i had to correct her on but she still refused to believe me.

standardized testing is for that. my school's AP testing scores were "getting too low" so you know what they did? made it so that you HAVE to take all your finals, no matter if you took an AP test for that class or not, because kids were "buying out" of the final (AP tests cost almost $100 now and they rise every year). IMO we shouldnt have finals at all, they're terrible, but now there's absolutely no way to get out of them at my school.

>>24 you can get textbooks for free online. tbh i could learn everything i wanted to know about computer science (which is what im going to college for) just by googling and reading books at the library. but, if i want a job, I'd have to go to college and make my education "formal" just like everyone else.

26 Name: HAM : 2015-06-09 16:38 ID:nH8/6KY7 [Del]

>>25 also i learn better with at least some help from a teacher, and learning anything involving computers/math is the worst when you're like that, because everyone into those topics pretty much learned things themselves, so they expect you to do the same. eeregrhghghghg

27 Name: Magnolia : 2015-06-09 16:57 ID:XvOMGAnd [Del]

>>25 "you can get textbooks for free online."
Where? The only ones I've found were 10+ years old.

28 Name: HAM : 2015-06-09 17:06 ID:nH8/6KY7 [Del]

>>27 here and here are a list of sites. Im saving these tumblr posts in my drafts for a reason lol

29 Name: Magnolia : 2015-06-09 18:18 ID:XvOMGAnd [Del]

>>28 A couple of the links are broken or just don't exist, but so far I've found two. My courses aren't listing what textbooks they'll be using yet (bastards), but I've gotten good guesses off of the internet. So far, I've saved hundreds of dollars. I think I owe you one.

Those links also need to be posted in the HW thread in missions.

30 Name: HAM : 2015-06-09 18:22 ID:nH8/6KY7 [Del]

>>29 you can just pay me in full along with the rest of your college debt

I'll post it eventually then

31 Name: MissCocoaNeko : 2015-06-09 18:37 ID:AFVn/pWg [Del]

>>25 It's sad when all they teach you is abstinence. If you learn anything else it's "smoking and drugs are bad" and that's it. I've gone through my whole school life and the only thing I've ever learned about gender body parts is boys have a penis and girls have a vagina. Everything else I know I had to ask my parents or I had to look in a library book to learn .
>>23 I will agree that our education system is poor. I do good in school and the lessons have trouble holding my attention because they are way to easy. I feel like falling asleep most of the time. Yes, college does expose us to new people and ideas. That is the one thing I look foward to the most. My high school is rather close-minded, they can't stand anything that doesn't look like them, speak English, or is different from them in anyway. There were some peers who thought differently but the majority is close-minded. lol Because of that I stick out like a sore thumb, I love learning. Anyway, I want to here new ideas and meet different people. It's fascinating to know there are so many different cultures and beliefs.
>>26 Yeah, learning by yourself is nice but having a teacher can be way better. You can get ideas from them you might not have had if you were learning it all alone.

32 Name: Magnolia : 2015-06-09 20:41 ID:gSF/YyAE (Image: 500x286 jpg, 65 kb) [Del]

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33 Name: HAM : 2015-06-09 21:49 ID:nH8/6KY7 [Del]

>>32 yes u wanna fite

>>31 i agree wholeheartedly, i love learning but i know what i want to learn so it feels like school has just been a waste of time.

also if it makes you feel better i learned everything i know health related by myself too because my parent(s) refuse(d) to teach me anything, so by health class it was even more of a waste of time because not only did i know everything that was taught i knew more than the teacher. gg.

34 Name: MissCocoaNeko : 2015-06-09 23:10 ID:AFVn/pWg [Del]

>>33 I felt slow about things related to health because the books had so much I didn't know or that the teachers refused to teach us. I don't see why schools don't like teaching health. They can't expect us to know a lot if they don't teach us.

It's sad when you know more than a teacher. I've actually had to explain to my algebra 2 teacher how some of the questions she put on the final were wrong. She even taught a whole lesson incorrectly so we had to go back and learn it all again. It was irritating but at least we got through it and she tried so hard to be a good teacher.

35 Name: HAM : 2015-06-10 09:53 ID:nH8/6KY7 [Del]

>>34 tbh if you ever want to know anything relating to health i probably know the answer (and if not i know where to look it up) so i dont mind helping you understand anything (especially since i consider it very important to be informed about this stuff).

lol, one time in algebra 1, our teacher had to go on maternity leave and was replaced by a basketball coach. which isnt terrible, ya know, because dont judge a book by it's covers, cept in this case you could totally judge a book by its covers he was terrible and didnt understand how to solve x+2=5.

36 Name: MissCocoaNeko : 2015-06-10 10:45 ID:AFVn/pWg [Del]

>>35 I'll keep that in mind if I ever have any questions. It's nice to have someone to answer questions cause we all know how lousy healh class is these days.

lmao he didn't know what x+2=5 was? My sister is horrible at my math but even she can get that! My sophmore year of high school, we didn't have a spanish teacher because the school couldn't find one. In place of that, we had a woman who relied 100% on google translate to teach us and she kept saying grande like grand. There was so much wrong I could go on forever about it. I think it's getting hard to find good teachers these days which is why we end up in situations like this.

37 Name: HAM : 2015-06-10 11:56 ID:nH8/6KY7 [Del]

>>36 especially because of things that make it hard to fire teachers, yeah

god my ex couldnt even do simple equations like that and he was in algebra 2 i dont understand dumb people tbh

38 Name: Ayumi Nakada : 2015-06-10 12:12 ID:Fi3hicQI [Del]

i'm a freshman in high school right now and if collage could be free that would really be something nice to have in mind instead of constantly working for a scholarship

39 Name: Hiroki : 2015-06-10 12:19 ID:orFg6bX3 [Del]

>>37 That's the magic with private schools, while you're paying you can attend the courses.

In public schools, if you don't have half the points at every test you have no option but to go.

40 Name: MissCocoaNeko : 2015-06-10 13:32 ID:AFVn/pWg [Del]

>>39 I go to public school so I don't know how private schools operate. Is the education better? I thought they were the same as a township.

>>38 It would be nice to have free college. Unfortunately, we'll probably get some uptight government people who have issues with free college and then we won't have it. Scholarships and grants aren't always given out even you need them. Especially need based ones. My family makes 1000 bucks too much for me to get certain scholarships and while they say that's too much, the amount needed to run a family differs for each person. I'm not looking foward to having student loan debt when I go.

41 Name: Hiroki : 2015-06-10 14:27 ID:orFg6bX3 [Del]

>>40 Not at all, they accept everyone to make benefits.

Also, like the public higher schools are very less expensive (200€/for a year in university, 600€ in a college, and in some schools such like the ENAC students earn a wage), the best students usually go there.

42 Name: HAM : 2015-06-10 15:25 ID:nH8/6KY7 [Del]

>>40 lol why do you think college is so expensive in the first place? in other countries they've been lessening the cost but we've only made it more and more expensive. compare our college costs to just 10-20 years ago and you'd be surprised.

43 Name: Magnolia : 2015-06-10 15:41 ID:7tPyhfsh [Del]

You know what really pisses me off? Baby boomers telling me how I need to stop complaining about tuition and how they worked and went to college to pay off their debt.

The guy who mentioned this was talking about how he had to pay $300 a semester...

I'm $10,000 in debt already, and it's my second year taking ONLINE courses... WTF...

44 Name: MissCocoaNeko : 2015-06-10 16:08 ID:AFVn/pWg [Del]

>>42 Everyone else makes things less expensive but we just have to be different and do the opposite. Leave it to the government officials, who I'm pretty sure most of them come from times when college wasn't as expensive, to say it should cost more. I don't see the point in making it more expensive. Tax money helps pay for education from what I'm told so why not just pay for college through that? Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't the worst that could happen is higher taxes?

>>43 $10000 in debt from online school? I was told it wouldn't be that expensive. What do they have you paying for when you're using online school? That price is outrageous! It doesn't sound much cheaper than going to an actual campus.

I've always wondered this: College costs a ton right? Well, I get where some of the money you spend goes, like for dorm fees and books and meals, but what's the rest of the money for? Does it go towards something like running the school?

Also, I've been looking at colleges. I thought public universities were expensive but when I saw private college tuition, I was like "HOLY WHACK!" It's 2 times the price to go private!

45 Name: HAM : 2015-06-10 19:56 ID:nH8/6KY7 [Del]

>>44 one nice thing about expensive private schools is that they are very nice with scholarships.

my own friend had a $60,000 tuition but got $50,000 is scholarships.

46 Name: Leigha Moscove !9tSeSkSEz2 : 2015-06-10 20:25 ID:xZY/6d2Y [Del]

>>44 nononononono...

The 10,000 is before food and living. That's extra. And that's for tier 1. Aka the only school that's acredited no matter the major.

Some nice tier one schools, I'm talking highly ranked schools, can be 20,000

47 Name: MissCocoaNeko : 2015-06-10 20:58 ID:AFVn/pWg [Del]

>>46 Is tier 1 like a year or semester? Is the 10,000 for paying for classes? I'm not in college yet so it'd be nice to have people willing to explain questions I have. I don't wanna mess up on stuff or have a terrible time with it ^^' Also, does tuition vary depending on your major.

>>45 If private schools are more generous with scholarships, then it doesn't sound so bad. It was just that when I first looked at the tuition the price seemed shocking.

We might have a shot at getting public and community colleges free but I don't think we can get private ones free lol.

48 Name: Magnolia : 2015-06-10 21:16 ID:S5SozbKH [Del]

>>46>>47 Yeah, I didn't get the tier 1 either, to be honest.

Let me be a bit more descriptive, it's more like I owe over $12,000; around $5,000 in courses, but $7,000 to move to New York and survive. I currently have around $2,000 left.
Wow... I feel like shit.

49 Name: Magnolia : 2015-06-10 22:03 ID:S5SozbKH [Del]

>>48 That's why I say it's better to stay at home if u can instead of moving out as soon as you start college.

Now I'm about to start attending John Jay... which I think is more than $3,000 /a semester/. So two more years there will add another $12,000.

50 Name: HAM : 2015-06-11 09:59 ID:nH8/6KY7 [Del]

>>47 tuition doesnt change for each major. sometimes it can cost less if you take A LOT of majors in certain colleges, but that's only for the superhumans

>>49 i want out of this house asap fuck that.

51 Name: Magnolia : 2015-06-11 10:45 ID:8gB0Oe95 [Del]

>>50 If you withstood 18 years, what's another 4?

52 Name: HAM : 2015-06-11 13:38 ID:nH8/6KY7 [Del]

>>51 i barely withstood it, i have depression, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts because of my family.

53 Name: MissCocoaNeko : 2015-06-11 14:12 ID:AFVn/pWg [Del]

>>52 Keep fighting. I know it gets rough. If you ever want ti vent I'm right here.

54 Name: Leigha Moscove !9tSeSkSEz2 : 2015-06-12 01:51 ID:xZY/6d2Y [Del]

>>47 Semester or year? Depends on the college.

Do different majors pay more? Per semester? No. However, here are things that could make a major pay more over all.

Some classes have extra fees. If your major has these classes, that could make you pay more.

Some majors are 5 year degrees rather than four. Obviously you'd pay more then.

Some majors are heavy on the labs. You may extend your degree to 5 years rather than 4 if you have a lab heavy major. That would make you pay more.

Some majors require extra stuff to be bought, most majors with labs. You'd pay more in the end for that.

Some majors have more expensive books and materials, though this depends on the professor a lot of times. However, that would make you pay more.

>>51 Some families aren't the kind that are healthy to be around. For your mental health, I mean. Take it from someone who's dealt with emotional, verbal, and psychological abuse.

>>52 You've got it Ham. I know you're strong.

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56 Name: Vigil : 2015-06-12 09:25 ID:wChiILvw [Del]

Heh, yeah, interesting. However its not assured yet that it will indeed pass into law or otherwise. Something being introduced means its more or less on a journey. Whether it will reach its destination is something still to be observed...would be nice though, lol.

57 Name: MissCocoaNeko : 2015-06-12 09:46 ID:AFVn/pWg [Del]

>>54 Hmmmm...I don't think a career in fashion design would take 5 years. Then again, I also want to do a second major in music production and study abroad. college might just take me five years afterall. Hopefully I can get a scholarship or two.

58 Name: HAM : 2015-06-12 16:25 ID:nH8/6KY7 [Del]

>>57 nah fashion design could take you only two if you wanted to. it depends what you're doing when studying abroad/what program you go through for if it'll affect anything.