http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/13/ferguson-protests-continue/13989945/

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/11/us/missouri-ferguson-michael-brown-what-we-know/index.html

A Police officer shot 18-year-old Black Male Michael Brown in Ferguson Missouri. There have been recent riots due to these events and another shooting. The officer, who remains un-named, states he was pushed into his cop car, and then shot the 18-year-old kid 8 times in the back, where as witnesses state that Michael Brown was surrendering when he was shot down.

^^^
the media has been banned from the place (Cop cars are lined up on the borders to prevent people from entering/leaving) and police are staying silent.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-14/ferguson-erupts-after-michael-brown-shooting/5670532

http://libertyunyielding.com/2014/08/12/warzone-media-in-ferguson-asked-to-leave-or-face-arrest/

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

Shit situation.
I understand it sucks that a kid has been shot, but just because it was a little black kid doesn't mean it was all about race.

I mean, it probably could have been.
Maybe the two kids should have just stopped acting all fucking bad ass and just got out of the fucking street.
Super simple shit.
Act like a thug, get capped like a thug.

There's currently a livestream of the protest, if anyone's interested. Actually, there are a few, but this is the one I had on hand.

>>4 We're watching it at the same time, from the same source.
Whoa, man.
Whoa.

>>3

This is about racism. I hate to break it to you, my friend.

But no, you're right. It's not all about race; we forgot to take in the fact on how corrupted some police really are.

>>3 If the same kid was white, I think they would have just beaten the shit out of him instead of shooting him, personally. But, that's all speculation and that's all we can know at this point. If anyone asks the guy who did it, there's no way he's going to admit anything if he was racist. The fact that people assume racism is involved because a white person shot a black person is what makes me a little uneasy to hop on the racism bandwagon.

For instance, in one of those articles:
"The deadly shooting of 18-year-old black student Michael Brown"

They point out he was black, and they wouldn't have if he was white. It's because generally you assume, as a white reader of the article, that he is white. It's assumed.

This same thing applies to nearly every instance of a white person shooting a black person. It almost doesn't even matter what the circumstances are anymore, people assume it's racism. And, yes, many times it is, but many times it isn't.

In this case, I have almost no actual knowledge as to what the hell happened. This is more of a general comment on these types of situations. Especially in this case, where what happened is unclear, it seems illogical to jump to such harsh conclusions.

>>9 "Be as polite and straightforward as possible when police officers are kicking the shit out of you."

Unfortunately, this is actually a good tip, seeing as how if you fight back you're even more fucked.
The Onion is top tier.

>>9 I love the Onion.

>>3 I agree it may not have been about race at the beginning, but since police have shot and gassed unarmed crowds of black people and the KKK have gotten involved, I think it's time to consider this whole Ferguson situation a hate crime. And going by what you said, you're saying an unarmed person should be shot without a good, logical reason besides the fact that they "acted like a thug"? A person who didn't suggest anything dangerous or threatening? People shouldn't be shot just because they act a way you disagree with.

>>6 It shouldn't be though.
It should be about our corrupt police force.
Racism exists, always has, always will. Everyone is a bit prejudice and a bit judgemental.
But, when it comes down to "Hey, this must be whitey's fault." Or "Hey, this is blackies fault."
Then it gets to a point when it's fucking stupid, and instead of anything getting solved people go bananas.

>>7 Pretty much this.


>>8 My conclusion doesn't seem that harsh.
Don't start a race war because one pig on the force was a corrupt cunt. Don't fight bigotry as a whole(because it will always exist one way or another), fight it where it really matters.
Such as corrupt policemen.

>>11 The KKK sticks their nose into anything they can.
They are political aggro-mongers. They live and feed off of shit like this.
I honestly believe that when they come around trying to cause trouble that they should get more back, and if rioters attacked KKK members, I wouldn't have a gripe about it.


>unarmed person should be shot without a good, logical reason
I didn't say that.

>besides the fact that they "acted like a thug"?
Well when you get all aggro at a cop, they get aggro back.
It's not the fact that I disagree with the "thug life," in fact, I live it every day. (I guess.)
But I'm not an idiot.
I know when to keep my head down, shut my mouth, and follow orders to avoid getting myself capped by an officer looking for a reason to blast someone.
If it were I in the boy's place I would have just got out of the street.
Shit.
Not hard, don't act tough in situations that don't call for you acting tough.


Anyways, the more I learn about the situation the more I really think that this cop was just a fucked cop and should be thrown to the "protesters."

>>12 It's unfortunate that as soon as a minority gets assaulted people immediately assume it's tied to prejudice. Though with the world we live in, you can't be surprised. Hate-crimes happen all too often.
None of the witness accounts (besides the cop's, of course) have brought up how Brown responded to the officer in regards to attitude and tone - or none that I've seen so far, anyway. I think that's very important information.
But I agree. When a someone in a position of authority - especially a person in a position of authority with a gun and the right to use it lethally - tells you to do something, you do it and you do it nicely. That's just self-preservation.

Watching police officers attack peaceful protesters with tear gas and rubber bullets was positively outraging. That's the kind of action used to control violent crowds, but they used it to needlessly harm innocents in mourning.

I guess the whole thing is almost over and they are going to release the officer's name in a couple of days.
Wonder how that's going to go.

>>14 They realized it.

>>12 I can agree with what you said in this post. It's just that, even though you should know when to back down, you shouldn't HAVE to, especially if you aren't doing anything illegal (the presumption that Michael Brown was involved in a robbery is a false accusation by the police force) and it's by the very people who should protect you.

>>13 Also agreed. I'm beyond pissed at the way the police force treated the situation.

>>15 released*

Also, many people are now singing a petition for police officers to carry a camera with them at all times to record their behavior because of this incident. While it may be with good intentions, this is a violation of privacy (I would like to live in a place where I don't have a fear of being recorded for daily and personal activities) and also would cost the government A LOT of money we should be spending on more important things right now.

i.e. getting out of debt or our school education

Actually, no, this is an act of racism.

A white male can murder many females and get away with it because he has "mental issues" and was "done being rejected by females".

A white male can walk into a theater and kill people but be taken alive into court.

A police officer can be fired for killing a dog in front of a 6 year old.

Yet a police officer who kills an unarmed black man for no legal reason can be protected by his fellow officers? Not to mention in Ferguson how 60% of the townspeople are black and yet all their police officers are white.

>>12 Ah, no, the 'harsh conclusion' was that the police officer is racist and that is the only reason he shot the kid. Your conclusion is logical and agreeable, as usual.

I love that point about targeted bigotry. We should make sure people with lots of power, like cops and lawyers and judges and such, are not bigoted or will not let it affect their job. Especially police officers, who have immense social and physical power and can easily do a lot of damage by being corrupt.

>>17
>Yet a police officer who kills an unarmed black man for no legal reason can be protected by his fellow officers?

Well, you keep assuming the guy was surrendering and doing nothing when he was shot in the back. This is probably not true. He didn't have a weapon, and he probably wouldn't have been that much of a danger to the officers, but the officers can't automatically know that. It's like when people got in an uproar when an officer killed a boy with a toy gun. It didn't have the orange cap on the tip, it looked like a real weapon, and the boy pointed it at him. I mean, you can probably guess it's a toy, but if you guess wrong you are dead and everyone around you is in danger. So, to >>15 I say you should have to. It's hard to know in an instant if someone is a danger to you, so you should do your part to make it very clear you are not. It's their job to end dangers to the public and they have little to no time to assess if you are a danger.

Now, this is obviously taken way too far in some cases, for two main reasons. First, where race comes in. They can be more likely to be more scared of a black male than a white male if they are bigoted. So, they start seeing things they are basically looking for, because they expect it. They might see him putting his hands in his pockets, and they assume he's going for a gun because they are scared and expect it. I don't know if this is a great explanation, but basically they see what they want to see, and when they are bigoted and scared of black people they can start seeing a lot more than what is there.

Second, the corruption. This is when they just want to exert their power, be bad asses, and this is what I think was happening here. There are a lot of cops that treat their job as a simple job, and there are some that treat it like one big joyride, where they can do whatever they want just because they have a badge. They get drunk with power. This isn't really because the person themselves is a bad person, quite the opposite. You have to be a really strong person to not be affected by that much power.

Now, while that is understandable, the rest of the force making up reasons it was 100% okay and defending him is just completely bizarre. Maybe they know something I do not, but it seems very, very odd.

Also, yes, most of the police force is white, but I have not seen any statistics as to how many black people apply to the force and get rejected.

>>18 According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 'About 1 in 4 officers were members of a racial or ethnic minority in 2007'.
Also, you're great.

The police officer who shot him was named Darren Wilson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlMjhoYPmZ8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qo14KOcQxw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfy5FiqzWHI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpoQkToJOgQ

A few eyewitness reports. Pretty much the same story by each of them. Ferguson statements, on the other hand, are quite altered. Mike Brown wasn't shot in the back; he was shot in the head. A couple more times after he dropped to the ground, in fact. We're not assuming. We know Mike Brown was unarmed, we know he didn't reach for anything that would provoke Darren Wilson to even draw his weapon, and we also know Mike had his hands up telling the cop, "Don't shoot me, don't shoot me." Is that enough to make it very clear he was not a threat? Is that justified to you?

Mike Brown was a stand-up guy, with an education, a future, and goals of running his own business. Graduated, was heading to college this year. Hell, he was even in JROTC. He's the type of person who cared more for others rather himself. He didn't want to end up in the streets; he wanted to better his life.

Just a thought; to let you know a little bit of the 'thug'. Who was shot w/ hands up. In the head from point-blank. 4-7 more times after that. The thing is, it isn't just about this one little black kid. It's a recurring problem that we've seen many, many times before. It is why there are these protests to get word out that they want to resolve; to put an end to the slaughter of minorities, usually of ethnicity, by murderous police of the US. So no, it's not this one corrupt cop, nor is it just the Ferguson Police Department(you wouldn't believe the shit they respond with when you call them). It happens all over, and to fix it, is to raise awareness. Otherwise, it'll be passed over; ignored. When that happens, things don't change; people will get away with murder due to the color of their skin or the way they dress, for that matter.

But you know that. You boys and gals are smart.

- YITMAS

>>18 I can agree with the majority of your points, but going by all the videos I have seen and all the articles I've read on this topic I haven't found a reason why a cop would shoot Mike Brown. And then be defended and allowed to get away with it. Even if he thought he was protecting someone by shooting Mike Brown, then he would have stated so as a defense. Instead, he lied about him being a robbery suspect (the robbery happened after Mike's death and was too small to warrant a death sentence) and also lied about putting Mike into an emergency vehicle. In a video I watched, after they killed Mike they put his body into a black car.

The whole situation is unexcused and unlawful (not to mention how the police force reacted to the people afterward, by shooting them with rubber bullets and gassing them). Also I remember a law about how police aren't allowed to shoot someone unless they pose a legitimate threat. They can bare their gun at a suspect but not shoot to kill unless they have to.

Also if the police were in any way innocent in what they did and it was a mistake, then why did they also kick out the media and arrest journalists for no reason as they were charging their cell phones in a McDonalds?

>>22 I assume it's because another white male recently proclaimed the very same thing when he shot an innocent black male. In that case, it was bullshit and everyone knew it. They don't want it to look the same. Unfortunately, they might do this whether or not they were in the right, so I don't think we can draw conclusions from their reactions.

>>23 It doesn't matter whether it was a mistake or not. People are assuming it was not, so they are very afraid.

I mean, if I was walking by and saw a dead body, then people started running up to me asking questions about it, I would in no way be prepared to answer anything about it, especially if they started getting agitated or extremely numerous. It's a natural, illogical, emotional reaction that I think has no bearing on what they actually did. Basically, I think both innocents and guilties(?) would both react that same kind of way to people assuming they are guilty.

Also, the police are notorious for doing that kind of shit in every situation ever.


As for the law about shooting, it's up to the officer to determine if the person is a legitimate threat. If the officer thinks the person is trying to grab their gun, then the officer is allowed to shoot, and as I understand it they can't be charged criminally, they have to be taken to a higher court, or sued. This is why it is so disastrous when one police officer is mad with power, because it is left all to them. Personally, I do not think this is realistic.

As for 'aim to kill', they are carrying pistols, not rifles. They have shitty inaccurate pistols that can't hit anything accurately outside of an 8 foot range. I read a statistic that stated the average accurate hit outside of 6 feet was 50%. That's why they are always trained to aim for the chest the largest part of the body. It's just not plausible to hit someone and disable them without killing them in the first shot, every time. I wish I had a solution for this, the only thing I can think of is more taxes --> better equipment. This solution is basic at best.

Let me be clear here. Obviously, I am aware the police are acting like dodgy, power hungry shitheads about this whole situation, but this is no reason to assume they did everything wrong. The police are always acting like dodgy power hungry shitheads about everything that gets media coverage.

Cops just fired more tear gas. Some asshole responded by throwing a Molotov at a store, but the protesters put it out.

I bet if Wilson's family gets killed in all of this, no one will report it.

>>26 I've heard that (armed?) protesters went to his house and tried to get in but were dispersed by police officers. I think that's how that one man was shot.

>>24 I agree with most your points but call bullshit on the aiming concerns. First of all, most armed suspects either have melee weapons or have handguns as well. If the aim of a hand gun by TRAINED OFFICERS is bad to THAT degree, I'm pretty sure that running closer to an untrained man with a cheaper gun to take a non=lethal shot is just as safe. Second of all, they're clearly trained to take the shots before they even know a weapon is involved (hence the people killed for taking out their phones and such), which means they have enough time to take more than one shot as "it" is being pulled out. Surely at least one of three shots would hit them, or at the very least, scare the shit out of them.

There are plenty of better ways to go about getting both armed and unarmed suspects than shooting their vitals.

>>28 They fire more than one shot, but when aiming for the chest the first one connects and prevents them from doing anything. The next ones make sure they still don't do anything.

Seriously, they are all trained to fire for the chest, multiple times. This isn't one rogue cop, every police officer is trained like this.

They have cheap guns because they need to supply every police officer in the world with one. It's the same reason the military is supplied with cheap-ass paper thin body armor, despite needing it constantly to save their lives. That doesn't mean anyone they are fighting will somehow have the same bad equipment. There is no way to size up at a glance the accuracy of a person's weapon and then make a decision based on that.

It also why they fire so many shots. It's because their guns are that inaccurate. It's not because they're all madmen, it's because 50% 6 times is much more likely to hit than 50% 1 time.

There is no possible way running towards a suspect with a gun is safe in any shape or form. I said 50%, not 0%. Are you asking each and every officer to take a 50-50 chance they'll get shot/stabbed every time they go to non-lethally take down a suspect? They get closer, the suspect happens to hit them before they get close enough. Now they are disabled, a person with a gun is enabled, and more people are in danger. Now, they may very well be successful, but one shot in the leg does not completely disable someone. They still very often have the ability to use their weapon, so the officer would have to either hit them again (which might kill them anyway) or get even closer, which is completely dangerous.

You do understand how hard it is to hit an arm or a leg compared to the chest? I mean, it's almost a third the target area, the legs move far more rapidly than the chest does on average, and still consider the number of times the guns miss when aiming for the chest.

Honestly, there is no plausible way to consistently and safely disable people non-lethally with the equipment they have. They have to take them down with near 100% certainty, and aiming for the chest and firing 6 shots puts that very, very close to that percentage.

The other option is tasers.

>>29 I'm not saying they're madmen... I'm saying their training is wrong and inappropriate. It's their job to put their life on the line to protect the public - not to protect their own lives by killing the public. And sorry, but other countries use hand guns for their ground police forces and don't have nearly as many people killed by cops. It's not a debatable point that there are more appropriate ways of training a police force than the way we do it in America.

>>30 But, to protect the public, they have to end the threat. :/
That's why they can't die. If they die, the threat still exists, possibly more so.

Other countries having less police killings has nothing to do with the way America's are trained, I don't think. That means America has more trigger happy police officers, or, perhaps, more people with guns. Do those other countries also have more non-lethal take-downs of threatening individuals? If so, how do they do it? I'm guessing it's not by shooting them in the leg.

I personally think giving guns to police officers and expecting them to somehow not kill people is silly. We should get them some better equipment, like tasers or maybe riot shields, or we might even make it harder for other people to acquire something dangerous that makes them want to shoot them in the first place. Really, the only way I see an officer able to make their way to a target and incapacitate them without killing them safely is a shield.

In this particular case, my eventual point is I don't think we can simply say 'cops are corrupt' because of how they have been trained. We can and should take a look at better ways to equip and train our police force, but this will cost money and time, and history has shown people aren't willing to spend this. Maybe instead of making the police the bad guys in these situations like everyone always does, we should look at it in a different way if we hope to actually change anything.

>>31 Police officers are not licensed judges nor executioners. It's not up to them to determine whether or not a person is a threat worthy of having their life ended.

And here's a quick comparison of Germany and the US as far as police shootings go. (I normally don't trust RT since it's heavily biased, but I did a quick fact check, and their sources seem to be in order.) Germany and the US are the extremes as far as police use go. The US over-uses law enforcement and has many cases of violence by police officers, meanwhile Germany only uses law enforcement when required and avoids fatalities at all costs.

I'd also like to note that the majority of the UK only gives full-use firearms to less than 5% of its police force. There's no reason that every single street cop should be permitted to carry a gun. There are plenty of areas where gun violence is not prevalent. Who knows, maybe you'll even get enough funding by clearing out the police's arms to upgrade the guns of the select cops who really do need them.

"That means America has more trigger happy police officers," This is a training problem in and of itself.

"more people with guns"
Of course we do, but does that mean we should assume anyone the police is chasing has a gun and shoot at them with the intention of fatally wounding them? No.

"'cops are corrupt' because of how they have been trained"
I'm not saying they're corrupt - I'm saying they've been trained wrong.

"We can and should take a look at better ways to equip and train our police force, but this will cost money"
We don't have money to spare to give cops fancier weapons. The economy is shit, and we have better things to do than to give street cops automatic weapons or high accuracy rifles.

"Maybe instead of making the police the bad guys in these situations like everyone always does, we should look at it in a different way if we hope to actually change anything."

Or, maybe we need to stop just *blaming* the police and demand an overhaul of how the American police forces are trained to make sure shit like this doesn't happen as often.

(And to answer a point ahead of time:

Yes, I know officers of the law have the right to kill a dangerous suspect. However, I don't believe that judgement is something to be made before they have made any clear sign of the person being a threat.)

we should just let things be shure the teen didnt deserve to die but he put him self in a bad situation i mean if he attempted to kill the officer.woul it be a national issue if the officer died no it wouldnt if your an officer your life could end every time you stop some one thats one more chance that most of us dont have to take on behave of somone else i mean even in america we dont take that to effect but its an american issue and should be kept in our court system not on our news so it causes unrest to keep the eye on the people rather than our leaders

>>24 The police showed up with tanks in that town, and you're saying they need better equipment. Also I disagree. Under any situation, whether guilty or not, should the police have acted in such a disastrous way.

>>29 Just because they are trained to hit multiple times in the chest, doesn't always mean they should. Example 1: Mike Brown.

I'm not saying all police officers are like Wilson, but I am saying that police officers who kill innocent, unamered, and/or black people are way too frequent. I know black people who are literally afraid of cops even though they did nothing illegal their whole life. That shouldn't be a problem.

Then the fact that this specific police officer is getting away with what he did and being protected by his police force is another issue. Literally, I've read articles on a police officer who got fired for shooting a dog.

Oh, and also how mass murderers who are white get brought up into court alive while black people just get shot, like mentioned earlier. Nothing about how the Ferguson police force handled this situation is okay.

Both sides of this are fucking wrong and stupid. If you're picking sides, sorry, but you're just as much an idiot.
Fuck this world, fuck it.

>>37 How is it in any way "stupid" to want to actually feel and be safe around police men instead of threatened and attacked.

ive been looking for the actual report from both sides i will look for the constants on them i will post it and you guys can make what you want of it

It really is out of control.I sawa news report where the cops had a tank in one town.

>>38 how is burning down your community making a person feel safer around policemen?
Hurrrrrrr.

>>42 Some residents have said that the more excessive protesters aren't locals and have come to town specifically to protest and/or cause trouble, though I don't know just how accurate that is. Personally, I wouldn't doubt it too much.
But >>37 is at least partially correct. The rioters (And some of them have indeed become rioters, though certainly not all) are only exacerbating an already tense situation, making it harder for civilians and police alike. What the police are doing is totally unacceptable, but violence on the part of the demonstrators is clearly not going to help.

>>43 I don't doubt that people come from all over to sling shit where shit can be slung.

However, destroying and harming YOUR OWN community to get back at big bad Mr. Government is stupid as shit.
I'm done posting ITT though for a bit guys.
This whole situation is dumb and I'm mad about it. :/

Allowing people to harm and destroy your community, under the guise of fighting racism and socail justice, is fucking worse.

This country makes me sick anymore.
I'm done.
Peace.

>>44 This. I think we can agree backing an officer who killed an unarmed man and rioting because of it are both stupid.

It's under our constitution to have a peaceful protest and that's all it was until the police starting throwing tear gas, shooting rubber bullets, and bringing actual tanks into that town.

It wasn't a "riot" until the police started literally breaking the law.

>>47 Well, if it's a peaceful, non-violent protest, it isn't stupid, and it's not what I'm talking about.

It doesn't matter that 'they started it'. Rioting doesn't help anything at all, you might as well just go home.

>>48
Man A is attacked in the streets by Man B. Man A kills Man B after a struggle.

"It doesn't matter that Man B 'started it'. Killing people doesn't help anything at all, you might as well not leave your house."

There seem to be some holes in this logic.

That said, I understand the point you're trying to make. I agree that rioting against anyone other than the police (like the Molotov thrown into the store) isn't helping. However, in their eyes, all of this is out of self-defense. That logic would never convince them when they're concerned they might be the next person to get shot if they don't make their point clear.

Honestly since police are continuously breaking the law in Ferguson I don't see why more people are protesting.

>>49 >>50 How does looting local stores get justice for Michael Brown? How does it stop the police from brutalising the neighbourhood? I understand that they're scared and angry - they have good reason to be - but they're doing absolutely nothing to improve the situation. They're just creating another reason to be demonised by the media and the police.

>>52 From the articles and tweets I've seen, most looting of the stores has been for milk to counter the gas.

>>53 In that case, what about the Molotov and the shooting (which I believe was attributed to a protester and not an officer)?

>>49 I am talking about intentionally provoking violence, not being provoked by an attack. You can't interchange the two, it makes no sense.

In that situation, the person did not go out specifically to riot. It was not their intention to kill someone. In the case of the rioters, it is their intention to go to the police line and cause harm. In those cases, I am saying there is nothing gained from doing that. They are only gaining media coverage from the escalated responses the police will use to the escalating tactics the rioters will use.

>>50

>they're concerned they might be the next person to get shot if they don't make their point clear

Please explain.

>>54 From what I've read the police just keep using that as an excuse and the rioters aren't throwing any cocktails.

>>55 They don't believe they are provoking the violence. This is a tight knit community thinking as a single entity. A part of that entity, a citizen, was killed, and they see what they are doing as self-defense. They see themselves as the ones who were shot and will be the target of violence later on. The police escalated before there was any riot, regardless - they would have continued to escalate even if they were being peaceful (as we've seen during many other peaceful protests through American history that did not face rioting problems).

Also, all these "rioters" are NOT going out for the sole purpose of rioting. That's not how riots even start. It's usually a perfectly normal event until someone gets out of hand and the mob mentality kicks in. How do you think riots get started at sporting events? Do you really think all those people went to the game with the intention of looting buildings and attacking each other? No. It's something that naturally happens when there are large groups of people, which is supposed to be the reason why police guard protests with riot gear - not to stop them from protesting but to contain it when they go out of hand. They were acting long before there was anything to contain and ended up provoking the (minor) riots themselves.

>>54 Although the police claim several were thrown, those on the livestream have said only a single person throw a Molotov at the main protest site, which means it's most likely individuals acting out. As for the shooting, as far as I'm aware, it was the result of a few men who went to the shooter's house with the intention of getting revenge without the law. They got into a shoot out with the cops and ended up killing two pedestrians. This is what I heard. It would help if the police weren't being so vague about it all.

threw*

Like seriously from the livestreams, articles, and tweets I've seen the police are doing all this illegal shit and the citizens are just being terrorized.

http://thewilsonblog.tumblr.com/post/95170160954/ferguson-from-my-tl-august-18-2-3

http://socialjusticekoolaid.tumblr.com/post/95060907883/hours-before-the-curfew-and-pigs-are-already

http://girl-fashion-13.tumblr.com/post/94735555983/do-not-pass-this-post-reblog-share-spread-the

http://thesisonadolescence.tumblr.com/post/94722466672/tabithalou-this-what-they-not-showing-you-on-the

http://mr-cappadocia.tumblr.com/post/94688680807/no-one-else-finds-this-at-all-disconcerting-not

http://peechingtonmariejust.tumblr.com/post/94721625646

http://funnyshittolookat.tumblr.com/post/94710450421/sorry-if-this-doesnt-fit-my-blog-but-what-is

I don't understand how can people's constitutional rights be violated by our own police in our own country and all you care about is the fact that the rioters have looted a few places and aren't staying indoors. Are they supposed to just sit there and let it happen? Are they not allowed to fight back? I don't understand your viewpoint. Also the fact that most of the protestors are protesting peacefully keeps seeming to go over your head. They aren't rioters that need to be settled down all they wanted to do was speak out.

https://twitter.com/jesseberney/status/501234213816111105 <--on the looting.

This is getting out of hand.. The looting needs to stop..The tear gas needs to stop..The cop who shot the 18 year old needs to be locked up..But i have a feeling that locking him up wont solve anything. The people have been oppressed for so long...Law enforcement turned the peaceful protest into a riot. Theres people taking advantage of the peaceful protest (now turned riot) to steal and commit other crimes without punishment. Some police officers actually do their job right . Obviously not all of them but most, atleast some.The Protesters just wanted justice for what was done. Kicking the Media out is just making the cops look bad and guilty. Every move theyre taking isnt getting either side towards a peaceful resolve. Its making everything worse . We've come to the point where we're fighting the people who are meant to protect us . What has our society come to?...

Ham bb, there's a good chunk of propaganda there. I agree with your point, but choose the sources a little more wisely lol

>>61 What has society come to? We've been this way all along. *Points to every major protest in American history.*

>>62 I've been paying attention to twitter because it's the biggest social media outlet for Ferguson. If twitter's wrong then idk who to believe ;_;

Also that last statement.

The government has been breaking it's own constitutional law since the Mormons came here.

The government has always been fucked up..but the people. Stealing while theres chaos all over the place. Just a big disappointment.

>>64 That's also always been happening.

>>57 That might have worked the first time, before it got violent, but now after there has been rioting for some time I can't imagine many people are going out simply to watch.

And, yes, that post was a little less thought out. My apologies.

>>59 >how can people's constitutional rights be violated by our own police in our own country and all you care about is the fact that the rioters have looted a few places

You are saying it's okay to just violate them right back?
What I care about is people's constitutional rights being violated by their own neighbors in their own town. There's no excuse for that. I also care about the police violating their own citizen's constitutional rights. There's no excuse for that either. How is this viewpoint difficult to understand?

Nothing would happen if everyone went home. The police would not terrorize the town, or do anything (else) illegal. It would likely all stop. No, it did not go 'over my head' that people are still protesting. The 'fact' that most people are protesting peacefully is entirely irrelevant given that the only reason the police are doing anything is because they are there in the first place. Are they supposed to sit there and let it happen? By sitting there, they are making it happen.

But, they see breaking up and leaving as giving in. I say, look at what is happening by staying there. What good is happening by protesting and what bad is happening by protesting. Yes, it's not like we can simply give police all the power, so any time they want, they can start breaking laws and end any protest they feel uncomfortable with. But, the way to change that is not by simply staying and making them do more law breaking and damage. Staying there and protesting is doing more harm than good right now. If they really want the police to stop, I don't see how staying there and protesting will achieve that. It very well could, somehow, but I'm afraid I'm not seeing it.

Big news from Ferguson, MO...

This is depressing.. The people had been using their local church, St. Mark, as a safe haven for people afflicted by the harsh tear gas thrown upon them during the protests. The church housed donated medical supplies and food for the people that reports from all over Ferguson just now say was raided and confiscated by the Police Department.. no word on which Police precinct was responsible.

My mother and I were here as the news broke on Twitter. We've alerted the Red Cross, Reverend Al, as well as President Obama already on the situation and requested that Red Cross be sent into the area to help the people. All of which promised to get on the issue immediately.

Amnesty International Observers showed up almost instantly to the Church when the news broke and Livestreams there show many people in shock and disbelief.

Pray for these people and if you'd like to call in your own personal distress call for them to the Red Cross St. Louis Chapter here's the phone number.

American Red Cross Saint Louis Area

10195 Corporate Square
Creve Coeur, MO, 63132
Phone: 314-516-2800

on the Ferguson case from the Ferguson, MO Prosecutor that has quite the bad rep with the local people for being in favor of the PD and has been assisting the PD with the smear campaign on Mike Brown since the beginning.

KSDK NewsChannel 5 (@ksdknews) "Prosecutor Bob McCulloch tells @RyanDeanKSDK it will be until mid October before all evidence is finished being presented to grand jury"

https://twitter.com/ksdknews/status/502116668387381248

That is a long time to wait.. Looks like they are trying to stall.. that is insane. Sounds like they are running for their evidence.. they have none that is honest. It's already come out that their reveal of a mysterious drug store tape of Mike Brown "stealing" cigarettes was fraudulent and a full tape was released recently revealing Mike Brown actually paying for the cigarettes that he allegedly stole.. and even the store owner stated that he never called 911 for a reported robbery. So the MO PD's claims that Daren Wilson had prior knowledge of any robbery to begin with were blown out of the water. After their ruse failed, they came up with the convenient story that Mr. Wilson was assaulted by Mike Brown and was forced to shoot the boy. Six times. Recently however, an autopsy performed at the request by the victim's family shows that of those 6 shot wounds, there is evidence that the fatal shot to Mike's head entered the body from an above angle. One shot even entering the victim's right eye and passing through to their neck. Even more substantial evidence that Mike Brown was surrendering with his hands up are the wounds shown on his right hand and several down his right shoulder, chest, and arm. However, the man that performed the autopsy admitted to reporters that the most interesting part is that Mike Brown could have survived the first 5 shots and that it was the 6th shot to the top of his head that killed him. Sounds like a boy on the floor being executed to me.

The fact that the stories from the MO PD continue to bend and change as more and more is revealed as flat out lies makes everyone wonder even more why they continue to protect this man.

I'll be reporting anything new that comes in here during the day.

It's only just begun.. and this news will surely stir up the protestors.

Dollars. Never has there been more of a need from us than now. People that are able, I urge you to make the decision to join hand in hand on the front lines with the people of Ferguson in fighting for their civil rights and justice for Mike Brown. A Boy executed by Law enforcement for simply crossing the street. As we continue to observe these PD in action, we can tell why it all happened.

The Mornings and Nights in Ferguson this last week have started with 100% peaceful protest. People hand in hand, chanting "Hands up! Don't shoot!" and "What do we want? JUSTICE! When do we want it? NOW!". What started as a protest for the justice of one boy has quickly turned into a protest for the justice of all. Local PD are recorded several times by press telling civilians and journalists alike, "you have no rights" and "Get the fuck out or I'll shoot". I can not stress to the Dollars enough the importance of this issue.

Each night the protestors continue to stay strong and keep the peace, all the while the local PD push buttons and present a show of unnecessary force. Thick lines of PD in head to toe riot gear WHEN THERE IS NO RIOT. Don't let the Media tell you this is a RIOT. IT IS NOT. These are people peacefully protesting for a murderer to be brought to court so justice may prevail.. but the PD have not even take any actions against the killer until YESTERDAY. Even while the protestors remain strong and peaceful, each night the PD force them off the streets by initiating violence through people THEY have planted in the crowds. These people are not protestors and are seen constantly trying to insinuate rage amongst the peaceful people. This continues all night, every night until the PD get bored of trying to break the protestors and force them onto the sidewalks then telling them that they suddenly have to disperse! That they are subject to arrest! That they are UNLAWFULLY Assembled! The news stations can't show the honest truth because every night before the PD move in and start abusing these people, they force the Media to leave, far away from it all! This is trampling on every man and woman's unalienable rights and it's gone far enough!

We are NEEDED. Ferguson needs as many able bodies as they can get. This is a call to arms to all Dollars members. Be there. Support them. Do what you can to help.

The Cop is currently on PAID LEAVE. While Missouri PD, Saint Louis PD, and the local Missouri National Gaurd have been called in to "protect the people" by barraging them with tear gas and rubber bullets, herding them like cattle, and preventing them their innate right of assembly and freedom of expression by forcing them to keep walking at threat of arrest by gunpoint.

The violence generated by the local PD continues to escalate each night and the PD's lack of respect for basic human rights continues to bare itself as they repeatedly force the Media and Press to locations FAR away from where everything is actually happening. Even as demonstrated last night, forcefully arresting innocent journalists and press, as well as threatening to shoot them for doing their duty and recording the truth.

If you'd like to see this truth for yourselves.. There have been several upon many Journalists and Press recording every second of events via Ustream and Livestream and here are the links, which I suggest you watch from the bottom up of each page:


http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution (Courtesy of Anonymous)

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930

https://news.vice.com/article/ferguson-missouri-raw-coverage

Twitters to follow:

@YourAnonNews
@Rebelution_Z
@Timcast
@Amnesty
@WeTheDollars

What you can do to support..

+Show up and march with everyone in Ferguson, MO.
+Organize peaceful protests in your own city!
+Help from home by reblogging and retweeting the TRUTH to the world!
+Stay informed on the truth!
+Help Amnesty International by go here and signing this message to the Ferguson Police Chief(you don't have to donate):
http://act.amnestyusa.org/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=1839&ea.campaign.id=31026&ea.tracking.id=Country_USA~MessagingCategory_MilitaryPoliceandArms~MessagingCategory_PrisonersandPeopleatRisk

What shouldn't be done:

+VIOLENCE. The Missouri PD and their backers have been looking for every opportunity to shame the people of Ferguson to the Media and try to support their Cop that murdered an 18 year old boy.
+SCAM CALLING POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND 911. I've heard that a few people have been doing this, but it's not the right way to offer your support. This actually defeats the purpose.

Here's a pic of Community Leaders who have been doing a fine job of helping the peace in Ferguson joining hands in a line to protect protestors and journalists last night/early this morning from advancing Police and National Guard.

I'm currently working on this situation my self. While I'm not able to be there standing by these people's side as I would like, I'm at home working Twitter and Livestreams and offer support if I notice anything off or strange. Retweeting truths and offering my opinions and thoughts on the matter.

Hashtags to follow and use:

#iammikebrown
#ferguson
#handsupdontshoot
#justiceformike
#civilrights
#arrestwilson
#weareallhuman

Let's do this.

Just in via #Ferguson on Twitter about an hour ago..

Gracious support is coming into Ferguson from all over the world. Here you see "Russia students at U.S. Embassy in Moscow protest for Ferguson."

They raise their hands in protest.. "Hands up. Don't Shoot."

>>66 That was not what I stated at all. You're reading what I said wrong and your twisting it. Stealing from places is bad, but personally I consider our police force breaking laws worse.

The viewpoint your making that I can't understand is how you blame the citizens. It. Is. Our. Legal. Right. To. Protest. How is that "irrelevant" at all to the topic or are you not aware about what we're discussing? Literally, no matter what you say the police should not be doing what they are doing just because there are simply people there. It doesn't matter if the people are sitting, standing, holding signs, yelling a few words, or holding hands. It is our constitutional right to protest peacefully. And that's what the majority of citizens are doing in Ferguson. The police can go after the looters and rioters, fine; but no, they're terrorizing the community as a whole.

"But, the way to change that is not by simply staying and making them do more law breaking and damage." Seriously? You think the citizens are making the police break laws? They aren't forcing anyone to do anything. No, protesting is doing good. It's giving people a voice. It's telling everyone, including us, the internet, the media, what's going on and how bad it is. The fact that you think just going home, letting it all blow over and ignoring it would help anyone is pretty ignorant.

It's like saying it's someones fault they are being raped, and they should just let it happen instead of fighting. It's like saying Gandhi should never have protested for independence. If protesting peacefully can gain a country it's independence, then how can you not see it stopping a dumb police force?

That spam, though.

Attorney General, Eric Holder, who just arrived in Ferguson today per the President's orders, just met with Ron Johnson, the Missouri State Highway Patrol Capt that has been designated speaker for the majority of conferences between Press and Law Enforcement.

Video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux7e0PI1lQw

>>76
It looks yummy.. lolz
I like his passion tho.

Sorry for the spam.. a lot has happened.. I'm caught up to the recent.. but just expect me to be posting these update blurps the rest of day. I really do apologize for all the posts!

So apparently just now the MO, PD are now trying to say that Daren Wilson was badly beaten by Mike Brown.. Mike Brown turned to run away.. then turned again to charge the Officer... and that's when he shot him...?

Does that make any sense to anyone else?

Only wait.. there's video on Daren Wilson and a cop buddy leisurely hanging out by the untended-to body of Mike Brown bleeding face down in the middle of the street.. and Wilson looks absolutely fine... Wow. These cops really do think they are god. I think they're taking "Invisibility" to the wrong level of meaning.

And I personally find it awfully curious how the video I speak of showing Daren Wilson and another cops just standing there next to the body of this boy is missing from existence...

We're looking for it now. Will post immediately if anything else comes up or if the video is found... I might try to ask Anonymous on twitter about it..

Why don't you make a blog or something and link us to it, Coronary? Mixing posts of unverified information into an ongoing debate is a little iffy.

A blog might be good.. but for now..

No one can find the video, but here's a civilian pic of the man immediately after the shooting.

A lot of this is actually eye witnessed by me and most of America. I've been watching this unfold every second of it from a few different renegade journalists with livestreams inside the action.

I'm simply reporting what happens as it happens.. of course when there's more evidence etc I will share.

If what I'm doing is a hinderance on this thread that it specifically themed for the sole purpose of discussing the matters in Ferguson that are happening right now. You can follow the live events yourself on twitter #Ferguson @YourAnonNews @Rebelution_Z @Nettaaaaaaaa (she is a resident of Ferguson experiencing everything first hand) @Timcast @Amnesty @hrw
For the real truth, I'd suggest Anonymous they've been doing well and are calling for a National Day of(peaceful) Rage tomorrow. Wear red arm bands and ribbons they say.
The Anon Announcement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjVeWLc6zwQ

Livestreams:
Anon: http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution
Timcast: https://news.vice.com/article/ferguson-missouri-raw-coverage
Argus Radio: http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930

Updated Anon Peaceful Day of Rage announcement.
http://theantimedia.org/anonymous-calls-for-national-day-of-rage-solidarity-protests-with-ferguson-this-thursday/

>>75
>the fact that most of the protestors are protesting peacefully keeps seeming to go over your head
>are you not aware about what we're discussing?
Really?

>It's like saying it's someones fault they are being raped

Wow.
Okay.

I think we're done here.

If you truly think my viewpoint could possibly be applied to rape, I have completely failed in presenting it. There doesn't seem to be anything good coming out of this anymore. I really don't like talking to people who think I'm an idiot because I disagree with them.

I'm sorry if I implied anything similar. I didn't mean to.

>anonymous
>twitter

Fag.

>>84 I used rape as an example to what you were saying because you were blaming citizens for what the police were doing. And I never called you an idiot. I said those things because I was stating facts that you seemed to ignored in your posts.

heated debate
or
an actual argument?

>>56 I myself saw one thrown during a livestream and police have seized a few more.
>>86 It is your legal right to protest, not to riot. It is your right to voice your disagreement and have other parties address your concerns. It is not your right to deliberately attempt to cause trouble because you don't like something. The rioting is not going to help anyone.

The police and the citizens of Ferguson have both acknowledged that many of the rioters (presumably the ones in possession of the Molotovs I mentioned) are not locals. People are indeed coming to Ferguson solely to push their own agenda and stir shit up.

>>88 I already stated that I was against the rioting and the police should actually solve that issue. What I was arguing was that they are allowed to protest, which the police there are also trying to stop.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KUdHIatS36A
Not sure if it'll work but worth a shot. (Tablets been kinda weird lately)
If it doesnt..The youtube video is called Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Ferguson, MO and Police Militarization (HBO)
In my opinion, he made some good points with a comedic twist.
[__]ノ( º _ ºノ) so im just gonna leave this here...

Apparently the media's mostly let it seem like this has died down, but if recent tweets are any indication, it hasn't. Probably nothing is going to get done because no one's watching them anymore.
We've got some numbers, so someone here could probably keep the spotlight on it somehow.