Recently CNN did a report on anime after a law or something was passed in Japan after the murder of a 7 year old I blelive. The outcome of of it, is that anime and manga is to blame. Liks are below.

Article:http://otakuusamagazine.com/LatestNews/News1/CNN-Vilifies-Manga-as-Child-Porn-5747.aspx

Video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXkCFqNrDas

>>2
Both are equally inhuman
Child porn: who does that? whoever gets off from seeing CHILDREN do sexual acts needs to be locked up anyway. You dont do that to children.
Murder: It depends on the circumstances of course. If you kill someone for making your child do sexual things then I doubt very many people would judge you. Just my opinion.

>>3 being a pedo is just as unnatural as being a faggot.
It happens, it's not right, but it happens.

>>3 How exactly does getting off on a drawing of a child do anything to anyone? And why should we lock up people for getting off on something that has no effect on anyone around them?

People who force children to be in porn should be punished, but people who get off on it shouldn't be punished just because of something they have no control over. In the case of manga, no kids are harmed. I think it's a fair compromise, otherwise it's, "Sorry, but because of what you like, you can never ever get sexually satisfied in your life, ever." I'd be pretty pissed if that happened to me, and I'm sure you would be too.

I think it's reasonable for a pedophile to never be able to have sex with a kid. I think they can accept that can't happen. However, I think it's pretty stupid and shortsighted to say "lock 'em up, ban their shit, I think what they like is gross."

>>4 If it's unnatural, I'm not sure why it keeps happening, in our species and others.

>>5 That's my point, dear Inu.

>>4 >>5 >>6 Though I do think both have to do with a misconnection in the brain.

I can already tell that no one is going to overly enjoy me saying this, but there are many unnatural things that people CAN do in our society that are obviously not supposed to happen. I'm not going to pick anything too controversial, as I'm not here to shove my opinions down your throat. But first of all, let's look at babies. If you try to have your way with an infant, the infant will die if not from the fact it is too small to accept these actions, then it will die from being overwhelmed. If you look at incest, deformities and mental complications are extremely common, if not 100 perfect guaranteed. You are permitted by your freedom of life and will to have relations with your brother, sister, mother, or father, but it does not work out because it is not natural. It is not supposed to happen. Now, let's look at those people who enjoy child pornography. Not only is it a little sick to think that someone gets turned on by the thought of a naked child- Something innocent and mostly unaware of sexual activities and attractions- but again, if you try to have your way with a child it causes problems. Females can die from the overwhelming feelings, they can die while giving birth, they can miscarry, etc. Males do not have the issue of pregnancy, but they do face many mental battles. Both do, actually. If a child is exposed to sex at a young age, they develop much differently from those children who have not gone through such things. No, looking at child pornography does not mean you will go out and find yourself a child to love. But it is not natural, and as >>7 said, I do agree that is a very bad connection in the brain. You'd be surprised how many people are attracted to what they are simply because of traumatizing experiences. It is sick to get off on children.

>>1 In response to anime being blamed for this, no. That is simply some overly cautious and very uninformed person trying to destroy something they dislike. They don't understand it, and because they know that there are animes that are porn, satanic, full of gore, child porn, etc, they want to simply wipe the entire genre of art and animation from the Earth. Really, it is a stupid goal. It is such a major part of Japan's culture, and slowly America's, that is simply won't happen. They can try to give it a bad reputation, but there will be people who know the truth and people who don't.

Its also worth considering that:
"In a move toward destigmatizing pedophilia, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) in its updated Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), distinguishes between pedophiles who desire sex with children, and those who act on those desires.
The former group -- those who want to have sex with children but whose desires are not distressing or harmful to themselves or others -- is no longer classified as having a psychiatric condition in the updated DSM."
Pedophilia is not considered to be a mental disorder by all psychiatrists, the idea here is that it is natural to have a sexual attraction to anyone (including children), but it is unnatural to actually act on that attraction. If someone has sexual feelings for children and knows that its wrong and makes effort to suppress those feelings then they probably don't have a mental disorder.
More here: http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Paraphilic%20Disorders%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf

>>11 That actually states a good point. I apologize, my personal opinion on the matter got in the way. I do still believe it is wrong, but they aren't a danger to anyone if they don't act on their emotions. But I can't imagine letting someone look at a child, maybe mine or my nephew or my niece, and just being nonchalant about them having sexual thoughts about them. It's disturbing.

Isn't this just CNN being CNN? Misinformed and misinforming, right?

Pedophiles are mentally ill, simple as that. They need access to treatment so they don't hurt people. Vilifying them and not examining their condition does nothing to aid the situation.

>>13 CNN is like, the fucking worst lol

>>13
Ok sure, maybe they do need help ('help').
But... how do you treat someone for something like this? This isn't something that you can fix with medication, or counselling. I suppose you could lock them up or put them under house arrest but then it gets super controversial because, unless that person actually committed a sexual crime, you cant really prove that they are a pedophile.
Unless of course they admit it themselves but in that case can we really say that they are mentally ill if they themselves recognized that they have a problem?

>>15 As cliche as it is, you look into their lives and find the root of the addiction/attraction. You then work with them to fix the problem.

>>16 The root of the attraction? But then you get the whole argument of: "Isn't it natural for people to feel sexually attracted to different things?".
Its like the whole homosexual argument again - people originally argued that homosexuality was a mental disorder, that it was unnatural, that you needed help if you where gay. Well, guess what happened, people realized that (however 'unnatural' it may be from a scientific point of view, i.e. reproduction, proper social development of offspring, etc) people realized that having a sexual attraction to the same sex was a natural and inevitable thing.
I think that we need to realize that pedophilia is a natural and inevitable thing. Key word there - INEVITABLE - . There are always going to be pedophiles whatever we do to try and 'stamp it out' because its natural for people to feel that way.
What we need to focus on instead is not the idea that pedophilia is inherently bad, but that it should not be acted upon. If someone is a pedophile then they should be reminded that it is socially unacceptable and potentially damaging for the children who may or may not be involved. We shouldn't be trying to 'Cure' something that isn't an illness.
Just my personal opinion.

>>15 You'd be surprised. Like >>16 said, finding the root of the problem is key to solving the issue. Sexual and emotional issues can often stem from abuse early in life, which isn't uncommon among sex offenders.
Pedophilia is usually linked to other characteristics like impaired social skills, aggression, and lack of conscience. These are things that can be improved with therapy over time, and medications can be used to lower sex drive.
There's no cure, but there's always treatment.

>>17 Holy fucking shit.
Pedophilia is an illness. We know that for a fact. There are specific signs and symptoms that have been identified by professionals time and time again. Reasearch has found links between brain structure, size, and IQ and pedophilia. It is not an orientation like homosexuality - it's an illness that causes unimaginable amounts of damage to young people around the world and it needs to be fucking treated.

>>19 Perhaps, but there are reasons to believe otherwise.
Did you read >>11 ?

That's crazy Anime and Mangga got nothing to do with this, its the pedophiles themeselves that has problems

>>19 Both of them are "illnesses."

We, humans, think ourselves so high what with our morals and classification of what constitutes as natural and unnatural.
Just because I think something is a disorder, an anomaly, or miswiring of the brain, does not mean that I think it isn't part of nature's design.

Gays could be a thing to help over population.
Younger women could give birth to better babies.


Also, please link me to this research.
I would really like to read into it.
Because, if I remember correctly, is the gay brain not structurally different than our brain?

>>22 99% of Holywood is pedos.
True story.

>>20 "If someone has sexual feelings for children and knows that its wrong and makes effort to suppress those feelings then they probably don't have a mental disorder."
That's the point. If they can recognise that they have those feelings and are working to suppress them, there's no reason for concern. The pedophiles who pose a threat to others are the ones that need to get help.
>>23 Here's the first few I found: uno, due, tre.
Also a few PDFs, but I'm not sure how to link them.
As for homosexuality and brain structure, I'm not sure. I've heard (through word of mouth, mind, so don't hold me to it quite yet) that the brain structure of gay males is similar to that of straight women and that their brains fire off in the same was as male and female parents when taking care of children.
Now I'm curious about how the bisexual brain would compare.
(And how young are we talking?)

>>25 When I say young I mean between 15-20.
Seems like the prime time for spitting out babies.

Also, that is exactly the same thing that I've heard, I believe Time magazine did an article on it, a few years back or so I want to say.

Also, thanks for links, was very interesting read.

More reading

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/06/what-science-reveals-about-pedophilia.html#

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1815538,00.html

http://outfrontonline.com/news/the-gay-brain-what-makes-us-lgbt/

>>19 Yeah, but they knew for a fact that homosexuality was an illness way back when. I'm sure they had science to back up that claim too. Whether you think it's a illness, or a natural orientation, it doesn't matter. That is purely semantics and has nothing to do with solving the problem of people hurting children. The fact is, many people in the world are sexually attracted to children, and most of them are this way from birth. This continues to happen, and likely will continue to happen.

If they can't control themselves, and they are hurting other people, they need help. If they can, and they aren't hurting anyone, they don't need anything. Basically, they don't need to be treated just because of their attraction, only if it becomes an issue. It's just as you said, I completely agree.

I just get a little concerned when we refer to people as 'unnatural'. It's a slippery slope. If they are different, they are 'abnormal', or 'defective', or they are 'ill'. This is something that makes me very angry. Difference isn't automatically wrong.

I heard people get listed as pedophiles simply for telling a psychologue about their problems in the fucking USA. What way to cure them, they just try to exclude them from society.

I'm pretty much against any law to ban drawing of children. No child is hurt doing that and it keeps pedophiles from harming real ones. They'd go mad with no way to appease themselves, or be jailed for violating the law when they're harmless.

Well, Europe ( or just France, dunno ) already considers lolicon as child porn though.

>>29 Exactly, good point.
If the pedophiles don't actually act on their feelings, then they are not a threat to children. They can control themselves by finding other ways to satisfy their feelings - like getting into/drawing lolicon, hentai, whatever. There's a whole internet out there full of sick stuff, but its there, so someone must have made it at some point... so someone must be into it or it wouldn't have been made.
And you cant lock them up because in that case we would just be oppressing their free will, especially if they have never actually sexually offended.

Some sadists and those of similar interests can get off on horror movies because they like gore. Just because they can fap to GuroChan doesn't mean that we should ban gory movies. Just because they can fap to it doesn't mean they'd put themselves in a situation like that to tap it. Imagining yourself raping someone to get off and raping someone are two different things. There's a huge difference between being attracted to something versus acting on that attraction.


As explained previously in this thread, there needs to be a clear line separating these things, and I'm glad to hear the APA is trying to do something about it. There's no reason that "fictional pedophilia" in the form anime or manga needs to be banned. Nobody is getting hurt in it, and it's a major industry. Should we ban romance novels that include rape or molestation scenes because, god forbid, someone might get off on something so terrible? Pedophilia doesn't deserve any special attention in this regard.

Also, I just checked the article properly, and this is some of the stupidest shit I've heard of. Nobody (except maybe the sleep deprived mangaka) is getting hurt in a comic with little kids in revealing clothing.

Japan has a statue of a girl over a road where you can look up its skirt. Sexualizing little kids there isn't anything new there.

>>31 This.

>>27 Thanks!
>>28 Comparing consensual relationships between adults to child abuse just made me really uncomfortable.
>>31 Preach it, Bambi. Things we like in fictional contexts do not necessarily equal things we like in real life.

Ah well. Censorship prevails.

>>34 General pedophilia isn't always non-consensual. By law, yes, but I'm pretty sure there are 'children' under the age of consent (16 here) who know what sex is and whether or not they want to have it. They consent to have sex with each other without anyone considering it rape. Yet if the same kid who just got down with a classmate agrees to hop on an adult, it suddenly becomes a statutory rape case no matter how many times the child explains they weren't against it or were the ones who initiated it.

The moral and legal definition of child abuse bothers me.

A kid can rage and throw knives at their parent, get slapped for it, and then be taken away by child services on suspect of child abuse when their face is a little red. I walked into my mom's cigarette once and was interrogated by child services in elementary school. Everyone is so quick to jump on the, "Save the children!" boat without realizing that their actions may actually have a more negative impact or even considering that the child may ever be at fault or have had any influence on the situation.

\rant

>>35 Very good point.
And going back to what this thread is actually about, I seriously doubt that any of the Anime or Manga created is designed to deliberately be child pornography (unless of course it is supposed to be porn in which case it is usually called something else (Hentai, lolicon, etc.). Instead this seems to be an overreaction of the western media not understanding traditional manga styles which have always had themes of young cute children and the like, but have never ever actually been created with the intention of being inappropriate. Japanese culture has always been significantly more laid back about sexual issues that pretty much any other country in the world.

>>36 I agree with regard to the difference in how our cultures view these media. Cartoons for adults aren't really a thing in America, except for a few exceptions (South Park, King of the Hill, The Simpsons, etc.) Even thoughts have been mostly shown in the "night hours" up until a few years ago. It's the same thing with Adult Swim, which is hush-hush, only shown one a week and late at night. America doesn't understand the ideas of adult animations or loose demographic comics and is taking the idea of them being distributed so freely the wrong way.

>>35 Technically, pedophilia concerns prepubescent children, so I'm going to stick to that definition concerning this discussion. In which case, it's pretty unlikely that coercion and manipulation weren't involved in some way/the child is actually informed enough to consent to the act.
But concerning how we define child abuse legally, I totally agree. It's a flawed system - though, to be fair, adults should probably be smarter than to sleep with a minor knowing they'll be accused of statutory rape for it. We're too quick to assume who is the victim and who is the perpetrator sometimes.

This pisses me off so much...

News outlets and previous generations will always blame new and unfamiliar pieces of media or culture as the blame for when something goes wrong. It was like that for rock and roll back in the 60's and cartoons for the 80's. It's now shifted to cell phones, anime and video games as being the problem for this generation being "un desirable trouble makers and violent murderers" it will all pass eventually. Just as it did with the previous generations.

>>39 We're talking about laws regarding pedophilia in relation to child pornography and censorship. The technical definition has no application here.

Not to mention that there is no definite age for prepubescence. Some children experience puberty earlier or later than others. Some of us started around 8 while others didn't start until they were nearly 15.

I will admit from our perspectives that yes it may appear to be extremly stupid and as >>40 so eloquently put it 'piss us off' but and the same time you have to see it from their perspective, they see the content that some of these manga-ka in Japan are pumping out and well they freak out, I am not saying they are in the right in how they covered, in fact I do wholeheartedly agree that overly sensationalised the entire issue, I read the article regarding the change to the legislation of Child Porn (got to love it when you can keep up with Japanese news) and felt they did cover their bases well in regards to the issue. Honestly in the end I think it just comes down to the differences between Eastern and Western attitudes to certain things, some things we find ok might not be in Eastern cultures and the same applies in reverse from Eastern culture to Western culture

DAMMIT!! I CANT STAND WHY THESE ASSHOLES HAVE THE NEED TO MAKE ANIME LOOK BAD!! I know CNN and Fox are both full of shit, but this seriously upsets me...

>>42 Fair enough, but I'd like to point out that I wasn't talking about the legal definition in >>34/the first part of >>39. I was still speaking in regards to the psychiatric definition, which I believe applies to children under or at the age of twelve?

>>43 raises a good point. The people who wrote that article probably don't have much experience with Japanese culture/all things hentai. The article comes from an uneducated external perspective. I wish they took the time to closely examine and understand the topic before writing a report on it, though that might've made it lose it's shock factor.

>>45 Yeah, I thought about that after I posted it, sorry ^^' Although it still applies to prepubescent, which is 12 on average but varies from child to child.

>>45 agreed it's mainly due to Japanese culture, in away CNN was attacking Japanese culture with out doing any research.

Only thing I can say is look up Japanese age of consent laws.

+ The Japanese declining birth rate.

>>47 The birthrate is most likely unrelated. There are hundreds of other factors when it comes to the decreasing birthrate of Japan, as many studies have shown.

>>48 true

I feel like CNN is jumping to too many conclusions based on one crime, and the blame is kind of... misdirected and makes no sense to me. Why would child porn make someone stab a girl? Was the stabber getting off on it...? Maybe I'm missing something.

Also, a horror movie could warrant similar results, whether sadists get off on it or it pushes people over the edge to kill. This is sort of going off of what >>31 said in a way. How about Slender resulting in girls stabbing their friends? I don't see anyone making a move to ban horror movies and violent games. And how about more 'conventional' porn with naked or lingerie-clad women? Couldn't that cause the EXACT SAME THING to happen, only to different victims? I'm not seeing anything on CNN saying that crimes like rape or murder are linked to any 'regular' porn. Just the Japanese cartoons featuring children. Yup. No prejudice there.

Also, as others have said before, I don't think it matters what other people find titillating as long as it doesn't harm anyone. People in general, I think, want others to conform to the standards set by society, such as men loving women and vice versa. Many are fearful of the unknown; it's human nature. When people diverge from the norm and perhaps like, say, the same sex or much younger individuals, we fear the worst and jump to conclusions. The world is making steady progress towards accepting a larger variety of people. If someone faps to whatever it is, child porn, gore, food... so be it. We're all human.

Phew! that was quite the rant on my part! Might have gotten sidetracked. I'm sorry if I conflicted myself or made a sweeping generalization of a whole bunch of people. Hopefully I made a few good points...

I just read the thread and decided to pop in. The point is that CNN is untruthfully depicting our beloved Anime and Manga as child porn. This is considered Yellow Journalism because very little of it containes authentic facts. Did anyone stop to think that they were in the ADULT section of the store they filmed in? Why else wpuld they need a hidden camera? I don't know about you guys, but i see nothing wrong with going into an Anime/Manga shop (or any type of store really, local news crews do it all the time) and taking a quick film of it. Its too suspicious to call it true Journalism. They were obviously only showing the Adult section of the store if they had to use hidden cameras. It's basically taking things out of context. Yes, it's true there are some anime/mangas that are explicit in their context, but they have age restrictions on them and not all of them are like that, just a very small portion. Its just like saying we can't watch movies because they are rated a certain way(even though we already do that). What CNN just did was pull a "My Lai Massacre" type of journalism and should be ashamed of it(if you dont know what that is google it and see what the results of the massacre back in America were). They need to lay off the man who did this Yellow Journalism. I say we boycott CNN and have a little propaganda ourselves. Spread the word everywhere you go and accuse the major "trustworthy" news metwork CNN of Yellow Journalism. There are no doubt petitions already out demanding that CNN take this back and apoligize for false reporting. Its one thing to throw in a little good natured propaganda here and there (like how most reporting is done), its another thing to completely destroy the good image of a major icon. If we all come together and start this, it will grab someone's attention and CNN will be in the spotlight with an explaination of where they got their information.
*sigh* Well thats my rant for now. I'm all ears for opinions and willing to "check myself" if needed to. Lemme know what you guys think: Should we go through with this and push hard?

I'm not sure if we need to "push hard." I think all news eventually get hungry and publish junk. I don't watch TV, but looks like CNN is turning into FOX

This is absolutely awful, The tried to make it seem like all manga and anime is basically child porn.>>51 I completely agree with you Gremory, would you mind if I copied this and put it into the missions section?

>>53 yeah i dont mind, it was just an opinion. Odk how it might fly with the Admins though. Everybody agrees CNN is being a shit network, but it all comes down to who will actually go though with a boycott/protest.

Why push blame to anime and Manga. Are we so dumb that we can't think that maybe there are worse things out there.

http://www.animevice.com/news/japanese-mangaka-writes-angry-letter-to-cnn-about-rapelay/4143/

This is a great response letter written by a Japanese mangaka writer. I felt it thoroughly explained our general opinion on the craziness that is this ridiculous report.

https://www.change.org/petitions/cnn-take-down-the-anime-manga-childporn-video-and-apologize

This is a petition to take down the CNN video and apologize to all of the Anime Community. I think we should sign it and say why we believe we deserve an apology.

^

I think we deserve an apology from them for such a stupid and insulting report to the anime and manga community

I think that CNN should try to look at all the anime's out there and not just be biased by a few. They should look at the anime community as a whole and not just parts of it.

bullshit dumb humans

>>60 Couldn't agree more.

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