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'Special police' shot Kiev protesters, inquiry says Previous (19)

1 Name: AnInfoBroker !TzIhFQeLZE : 2014-04-03 10:11 ID:6v6KfZwo (Image: 624x351 jpg, 55 kb) [Del]

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Months of protests culminated in two days of carnage near Kiev's Maidan

Ukraine's special police were behind the killings of dozens of anti-government protesters in Kiev in February, a government inquiry says.

Interior Minister Arsen Avakov told reporters that 12 members of the Berkut police had been identified as snipers and arrested.

He presented what he said was new evidence from the shootings on 18-20 February, when 76 people were killed.

Months of mass protests led to the ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych.
More than 100 people - including police officers - are now known to have died in Ukraine since the unrest began in November over Mr Yanukovych's last-minute rejection of a landmark deal with the European Union in favour with closer Russian ties.

Ukraine's new authorities have since signed the political part of the association agreement with the EU.
More Info:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26868119

2 Name: zero : 2014-04-03 16:22 ID:T3PFGH7t [Del]

More like secret polive

3 Name: The white knight : 2014-04-06 20:35 ID:6wJ11xzC [Del]

If by "special" you mean "Russian" then yeah its no surprise that this kind of stuff is happening,(No Russian racism intended, I'm just talking about putan and the Russian government) Russia is trying to force Ukraine to rejoin Russia, wether Ukraine wants to or not

4 Name: Chreggome : 2014-04-07 04:01 ID:2IJIqNvA [Del]

>>3 Some of Ukraine does want it though, that's the huge problem with this whole situation.

5 Name: Solace !o0GOqY0U0w : 2014-04-07 05:15 ID:Z0t6lODM [Del]

Well I mean, 60% of Ukrainians are actually Russian.
That's a lot.

Also, they used to be part of Russia.

I'm not justifying what Russia's doing, it's just not so black and white.

6 Name: Chreggome : 2014-04-07 06:47 ID:2IJIqNvA [Del]

>>5 This.

7 Name: The White Knight : 2014-04-07 15:02 ID:nONO7zy2 [Del]

On one hand you have the protesters who want to take a chance at free market with the Euro.
On the other you have the people that want a more secured life style with Russia.
One side want to live a risky future with freedom.
While the other wants a secure future with none.
If only we could give both parties what they want.:/

8 Name: Chreggome : 2014-04-07 17:01 ID:Gamqtela [Del]

>>7 lol freedom won't come through the EU or Russia.

9 Name: The White Knight : 2014-04-08 17:11 ID:nONO7zy2 [Del]

There is more ecconomic freedom in the EU then there is in Russia

10 Name: Chreggome : 2014-04-08 22:20 ID:Gamqtela [Del]

>>9
>Economy
>Freedom

You have no idea what it means to be free, but don't feel too bad, most people don't. :)

11 Name: Keysi : 2014-04-09 05:54 ID:vzYdtqm8 [Del]

Freedom is the easiest thing to take.

There's always a cause.

There's always a chance.

12 Name: Inuhakka !u4InuhakKA : 2014-04-09 06:29 ID:Z3mUGfVu [Del]

>>10 Do you think any rules governing a people is not freedom?
I think most would be willing to sacrifice 'true freedom' for some security.

13 Name: Chreggome : 2014-04-09 06:38 ID:2IJIqNvA [Del]

>>12 I think rules are important and each individual as well as every group should follow a set of rules.

An economy, in no way, shape, or form, equates to freedom.
It's not even a true security.

14 Name: Asuka : 2014-04-09 09:33 ID:uVIJDmNH [Del]

>>12
That is quite true. Too much freedom would make it look like the goverment is to lax on they disciplinary actions against those who dont abide with the law

At least with a firm stand the citisens would have more sense of security

15 Name: AnInfoBroker !TzIhFQeLZE : 2014-04-09 09:51 ID:6v6KfZwo [Del]

>>13 For once I absolutely agree with you Chreg. Because what you say is truth.

16 Name: Inuhakka !u4InuhakKA : 2014-04-09 13:20 ID:RnWGU6FJ [Del]

>>13 It depends on who controls it, doesn't it?
What I'm asking is, there'd be more freedom in a Communism economy than a Capitalist economy, no?

17 Name: Chreggome : 2014-04-09 23:43 ID:2IJIqNvA [Del]

>>15 Sometimes, I do that.

>>16 Yes.
It 100% depends on who controls it.

Communism and Capitalism are two sides of a very ugly coin.

Communism breeds a state entity just as Capitalism does, so no.
There is no more freedom in either.

18 Name: Inuhakka !u4InuhakKA : 2014-04-09 23:53 ID:RnWGU6FJ [Del]

>>17 The less power the state has over the economy, the more free it is, I would assume. I thought if the people themselves controlled the production/distribution of goods and services, that would make them more free. However, I think that makes the state free, but not any individual. I guess that applies to most economies.

I also thought Capitalism would be entirely separate from the state, because everything is privately owned, but I guess Capitalism makes its own state in a way.

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

19 Name: Chreggome : 2014-04-10 00:29 ID:2IJIqNvA [Del]

>>18 Nope, you're pretty much right on.

And Capitalism, while everything may be privately owned, it still is regulated by the state.

Capitalism creates a huge box, just like most governments.

Anyways, we are kind of off topic, but I feel like it's also kind of on topic.