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Golden Dawn/Greek Special Force calls for military coup. (69)

1 Name: Maru-Kai Mobile : 2013-09-26 21:42 ID:wnd6tFMM (Image: 460x276 jpg, 36 kb) [Del]

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/26/greece-democracy-backslide-coup-threat

Another interesting move in Greece. The Golden Dawn Party, a Greek Neo-Fascist party, has been becoming more and more popular in the last few years. They have been known for using violence, attacking left-wing protesters, and even murdering targets for their own interests. Now, it is hinted that members of the Greek Special Force Reserve have been training members of the Party's military wing, and have called for a coup against the government.

I, for one, support the Golden Dawn and its struggle. However, what are your thoughts on the issue? Is this a good or bad thing?

More on the subject: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/23/greece-inquiry-golden-dawn-armed-forces

More on the Golden Dawn Party: http://xaameriki.wordpress.com/about/

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)

2 Name: anubis!AnUBiS6/LQ : 2013-09-26 22:44 ID:83oQQ9Zj [Del]

bump for order

3 Name: anubis!AnUBiS6/LQ : 2013-09-26 22:56 ID:83oQQ9Zj [Del]

I don't see how these guys are any good. They go around killing anyone that doesn't agree with their views. They've attacked hundreds of immigrants and apparently are now going after gays. It is never okay to kill someone unless other lives hang in the balance. And it is not okay to kill those who hold different views from you.

4 Name: Sejin !PKt//nzxc2 : 2013-09-26 23:19 ID:galrkOUK [Del]

First, I think that the Golden Dawn website could use a good editor.

Second, >>1, why do you "support Golden Dawn and its struggle"? My question isn't meant as a challenge. It's just that saying something to the effect of "I think/believe X", without elaborating provides no food for thought or further discussion, and I'm curious as to why you support Golden Dawn.

Having said that, I do not support Golden Dawn. I read the various links that >>1 posted, and while it's unclear to me whether or not they are neo-nazi as a whole, it does seem clear they they have used varying amounts of violence in a large number of instances. I cannot support that, especially if it turns out to be true that they've murdered people for their own interests.

In general, I dislike fascism because I think it's too narrow and limiting, and much more so today than back in the 1930s and 1940s when it really took hold in several countries, because the world today is much more interconnected than it was back then. If too much of your worldview is focused on your national, cultural, ethnic, etc. heritage, it becomes harder to see beyond those things, leading to stronger in-group bias, which makes ideological conflict (as opposed to discussion and exploration of differing ideologies, and compromise and negotiation between them) more likely.

In general, for individuals and groups of all sizes, even going all the way up to nation-sized and larger, I think there is (and should be) a balance between selfishness and selflessness. To me, it seems like fascism tips the scale too far toward selfishness, especially considering that, for nations, the balance is typically already quite far into the realm of selfishness.

5 Name: Blinking!!VVr++Kk/ : 2013-09-26 23:19 ID:mVuEmYbn [Del]

>>3 "It is never okay to kill someone unless other lives hang in the balance. And it is not okay to kill those who hold different views from you." You're my favourite person in the universe right now.
Fact is, a political party who kills innocent people is bad news. A political party who attempts to control or regulate it's people's sexuality, race or religion is fucking disgusting.
One big problem I have with politics nowadays is that our political leaders try to choose who we are as individuals, things that don't affect them or others. A political party should not enforce it's personal views (morals, religious ideals, ect) on the people it governs over on the basis that order is kept and no-one is being harmed.
Have your opinion, but don't force it onto an entire country. And don't commit murder because you don't agree, because that's fucking childish.

6 Name: Maru-Kai Mobile : 2013-09-27 14:48 ID:lQe6zyZs [Del]

>>4 Golden Dawn supports a stronger Greece, for Greeks. They don't want Greece to be controlled or influenced by big foreign powers, they help Greek citizens. They're also an opposition to left-wingers, especially Anti-Fascists and Communists (though I tend to sympathize with Communists anyways).

I guess I just kind of respect them in a weird way. They do some good stuff, even though a majority of the party may not be very good. I've also just always found political radicalism appealing. They may not be the greatest reasons, but that's what they are.

And I respect that everyone else hates them. A lot of people also like them, but it is what it is.

7 Name: Anonymous : 2013-09-27 23:04 ID:ZuhGZxZt [Del]

Their paryt is stupid and they attack immigrants who have assimilated into their country or immigrants in their in general. THe sad part is, is that they are proud of being such narrow-minded assholes and are blaming all the country's problems on the Jews. And I will never understand why everyone always blames their misfortune on the jews when they are perfectly nice people, who happen to know how to make money. So I think that bullshit party needs to go back to the 40s where it belongs.

8 Name: Chreggome : 2013-09-28 11:05 ID:80KLzTtO [Del]

>>7 All the world's problems can be argued to be caused by the Jews.

I support national socialism.
I respect that they want their own country for their own country men.
I don't think they're going about it in the best of ways, but all in all I support a better, stronger Greece for the Greek.

9 Name: Lady : 2013-09-28 20:09 ID:lfJ5RIOj [Del]

>>8 religion is a stupid reason to scapegoat someone for. There isn't even proof that Jesus existed.

10 Name: man : 2013-09-28 20:49 ID:T3PFGH7t [Del]

For some reason the symbol makes me think of the swastika

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12 Name: Sejin !PKt//nzxc2 : 2013-09-28 23:57 ID:galrkOUK [Del]

>>8 Even if they kill innocent people who simply have different beliefs than they do to get it? Even if the people they kill are Greeks themselves?

Also, what makes a country stronger or better? Is it uniformity? Is it pride in one's nation? Is it the ability to see that your nation is one of many, all of which have value that could be equal to your own nation's value? Is it the ability to successfully compromise with and maintain good relations with other nations? Is it something else? There's no simple answer to this.

In cases like this, I don't think the end justifies the means. If you create something that you think is grand, but have to kill innocent people or do other terrible things to get it, it greatly devalues whatever it is you're creating. The grand thing you're so proud of really isn't that great anymore.

I was also hoping that someone would respond to the comments about fascism I made in >>4. In particular, I'm interested in hearing different viewpoints (although any well-thought out viewpoints would be interesting to hear, not just those that differ greatly from my own), and I think it would make for a good discussion.

13 Name: Chreggome : 2013-09-29 00:32 ID:DAsg6Yf+ [Del]

>>12 I clearly said that I don't like the way they are going about their goal.
I just said I agree and can support the goal itself.

14 Name: Solace !o0GOqY0U0w : 2013-09-29 00:58 ID:P6T/bAuE [Del]

Waitwhatthefuck

Why are people saying they support a part of neo-fascists that stab people to death in order to achieve their goals? Does anybody really think this is going to end out well?

15 Name: Chreggome : 2013-09-29 03:58 ID:DAsg6Yf+ [Del]

>>14 no

16 Name: CoffeeCream : 2013-09-29 10:22 ID:ma4dcNof [Del]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/28/greece-goldendawn-idUSL5N0HO02D20130928

^They have arrested the leader and a big part of the senior members of this political party, but apparently this won't do much.

17 Name: Lady : 2013-09-29 13:54 ID:lfJ5RIOj [Del]

they are just a bunch of assholes that won't own up to the fact that they're reason why their country is shit right now.

18 Name: Chreggome : 2013-09-29 18:51 ID:80KLzTtO [Del]

>>17 source?

19 Name: Chreggome : 2013-09-29 18:53 ID:80KLzTtO [Del]

>>17>>18 The source for them being the reason Greece is fucked.
Not the source for them being assholes.

20 Name: CoffeeCream : 2013-09-30 12:51 ID:8sLaf2n3 [Del]

>>17 No, the Greek economical crisis has been caused by others factors, mostly the same ones that brought Spain and Italy in the same situation. Public debts and lack of job.

21 Name: Lady : 2013-09-30 21:22 ID:ZuhGZxZt [Del]

>>20 That may be so, but you know what they do about it? They fuckin'complain about it and blame immigrants ad jews for their problems.They need to grow a pair and try to do something productive.

22 Name: CoffeeCream : 2013-10-01 00:57 ID:EJfIuRRB [Del]

>>21 THIS is right. But they surely aren't the cause of the crisis, they are just adding more fuel to the fire :U

23 Name: Solace !o0GOqY0U0w : 2013-10-01 01:49 ID:DK9a4Nt0 [Del]

No guys, the Greek government caused the crisis as soon as World War 2 ended when they celebrated their newfound freedoms and powers by making the retiring ridiculously low and making a whole bunch of other decisions that looked good and comfortable at the time but fucked themselves in the long term.

So they kind of dig cause it.

24 Name: person : 2013-10-02 19:08 ID:T3PFGH7t [Del]

The symbol reminds me of the nazis

25 Name: Zeckarias : 2013-10-02 19:39 ID:nQ006Hxt [Del]

>>24 Nazis didn't make their symbol, they stole it from Celtic tradition. The symbols themselves are generally representative of good fortune and life, it is only their actions under this symbol which has made the symbol a social taboo.

You may be onto something, but the similarity does not create association between the two in any way.

26 Name: person : 2013-10-02 22:12 ID:T3PFGH7t [Del]

I know that the symbol it self may have a previous better meaning I am just pointing out it reminds me of the swastika because its shape

27 Name: person : 2013-10-02 22:12 ID:T3PFGH7t [Del]

And the swastika just happens to be associated with Nazis

28 Name: Zeckarias : 2013-10-02 22:35 ID:nQ006Hxt [Del]

>>26 ...really? Yknow, the flag reminds me of the US because of how it's a flag and we have a flag, but you don't hear me rattling off about it. We aren't in preschool, we can SEE these things ourselves, so when you mention them in this context we assume you are trying to use it in the context it was presented.
Bringing up random information not related to the topic being discussed is severely non-intuitive, so let's get back on track here..


I simply cannot back a group determined to repair a broken economy and political system by utilizing militant means. Honestly, it's a very effective means of increasing a nation's quality of life...if done correctly...but if you build your empire out of explosives it can only...explode. Aggression is the quick way to get things done, but it only promotes chaos in the long-run. It's good for expunging wrongdoings but fails to establish anything good in it's place.

29 Name: Chreggome : 2013-10-03 00:49 ID:DAsg6Yf+ [Del]

>>24 uhhh...maybe because Golden Dawn is a natsoc movement, just like the Nazis.

30 Name: zero : 2013-10-03 07:20 ID:sM7disA4 [Del]

though the neo dawn isnt the nazi and they proble wont be any where close i really would love to point out that there useing a type of rune from the same region the nazi choose there rune on there flag but then again i dont care about the flag so much as what they stand for witch is

31 Name: sex is fun : 2013-10-03 07:30 ID:wOlPqEpN [Del]

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32 Name: Swift : 2013-10-03 10:30 ID:qjTVphrY [Del]

>>31 Uh yeah. Get the fuck out.

Anyway, Greece is interesting. Before I can really say anything about the coup, what does the party hope to accomplish? After all, they are Neo-Fascist.

33 Name: Friday-san !oBIrkXzP.s : 2013-10-03 11:18 ID:ySNNQcl9 [Del]

>>1 What coup and what struggles are you talking about? The only "struggles" i have seen from the Golden Dawn is beating the shit out of people who don't have the same views with their own and kill immigrants just because... Not to mention that these kind of actions were not shown on Tv. Oh no. But when the bad thing happened and they killed a Greek man, suddenly the media "woke" up from their slumber and condenm the organization's methods. Golden Dawn suddenly had so much power that they couldn't handle it and that was their downfall. But now that the government did a louzy job of finding real evidence that could lock these people in prisons, they fucked up and in the next elections we will pay the prize. As you can see i'm totally against Golden Dawn and it's methods. I don't support politics in general but this situation with the Golden Dawn has gone to far. Ideals that promote violence as the only answer are always dangerous and obviously we have not learned the lessons of the past.

34 Name: Chreggome : 2013-10-07 12:09 ID:bwIYXU7U [Del]

>>32 A stronger Greece for Greeks.

Also, what isn't fascist these days?

35 Name: Baka ni Baka : 2013-10-07 18:19 ID:AvGTu4++ [Del]

..a coup? That is a terrible idea...do you know how much their credit would drop even lower?

36 Name: Solace !o0GOqY0U0w : 2013-10-08 03:09 ID:RTIkjKef [Del]

>>34 Black people because it seems they have racial immunity

The more I look into the Golden Dawn crisis, the less worried I get. They are a radical group that are doing what all small, dedicated, extremist groups do, they are puffing themselves up. These people always heavily over exaggerate their power and influence; in reality, they will never have any kind of grasp over this country's government. Although they do prove a standing point for how a dissolving economy can quickly lead to increased extremist tension, they are not something to be seriously scared about.

37 Name: Chreggome : 2013-10-08 03:39 ID:DAsg6Yf+ [Del]

>>36 Christ, don't even get me started on race relations.
We'll be here all night and I'm sure someone will cry.

38 Name: Vigil : 2013-10-08 19:12 ID:jjNlqQxn [Del]

meh, while not fun at the very least it would not be boring. things are so stagnant around the world. same old same old, sigh

39 Name: Solace !o0GOqY0U0w : 2013-10-09 03:16 ID:8EYhn1jD [Del]

>>37 If somebody is going to cry when talking about Race relations, they are the type of person I want to cry, then I want to drink their tears.

If they can stop being such little shits about other topics of human difference, Race should be the same.

>>38 That post just makes me want to punch you in the face

This has kind of defused lately, it's turning into a bit of an anti-climax due to the fact that 90% of Golden Dawn was them being puffed up dicks.

40 Name: Chreggome : 2013-10-09 06:21 ID:DAsg6Yf+ [Del]

>>39 I'm one of those guys that thinks all the special treatment is more racist than most of the things they cry about.
Best way to get me to rage is this topic.


>>38 I hope that someday you die in a fire, at least it won't be boring.

41 Name: cody : 2013-10-09 11:18 ID:sM7disA4 [Del]

I hope you die the most boring way possible Chreggome

42 Name: Solace !o0GOqY0U0w : 2013-10-09 16:02 ID:8EYhn1jD [Del]

>>41 Shutthefuckupcody.

>>40 People don't seem to understand moderation. It's cooling down with races these days, but it's just getting started on sexuality. Suddenly you can't hate somebody who is an asshole and gay simply because they like the same sex. Overreacting is obviously not a word such people are aware of.

But this is a loooong topic which causes much angst and anger amongst so many people so this thread should probably stay away from it.

43 Name: Chreggome : 2013-10-10 01:27 ID:DAsg6Yf+ [Del]

>>42 I agree completely, if we start this...the thread will never get back on track.

44 Name: KahluaMilk : 2013-10-11 08:14 ID:yVXAzIzb [Del]

>>1 Hey hey! I live in Greece and if nothing else I live in all this shit. How can you say that? Supporting them??? The Neo-Nazis bastards? My fucking ancestors had to gow through Nazi shit in the past and many died! If you come as a tourist in Greece you will see many villages which have names of dead people craved one stones, killed by Nazis. If nothing else Greece had a hard time then. And you tell me to go and vote them? They are a criminal organization distinquished as a political movement, counting on the despait that the crisis brought us for votes! We, Greek people created the word ''democracy'' thousands of years ago. We have been fighting for our freedom so many years. And you tell me to be with Golden Dawn?|

When I went with my grandmother to vote, because she have lived the time when fasism was in our country with Papadopoulos, she felt disgusted watching some masculine Golden Dawn teenagers outside of each door of our schools, like guards. For whispering that in my ear three fucking assholes went to punch a what? AN OLD WOMAN! I've ended up in the hospital for defending her!

Our country suffered many movements, political or not. War-times or not. And youy're telling me to abandon all the struggles that my people made and bow my head to these Neo Nazi fuckers?

They are killing refugees! They hit them, they do every kind of bad thing and as a Dollar member you support this shit? In Dollars someone asked for help some months ago, who was having his friend punched by a Golden Dawn member and Greek Dollars helped!

The fucking 4chan hacktivists Anonymous are up against it, and they hold a greater Dollars-like ideology trhan we the Dollars do!

And you tell me that you support these fuckers? I will be a refugee and go to Japan one day because I want to be a mangaka! Someone else will go to USA in order to study as a doctor! And you, could be someone like them as well, a person that either had the fucking money to go to another country, or someone running away from his countries problems, being forced to go away from your own home and live to another country!

And you support the people who would kill you for being a foreigner? YOU ARE VERY FUCKING WELCOME HERE THEN! I am against Golden Dawn, but pleaaaase! Come here and let me act as one of the people you believe they are right and let me punch you to death or rape you and then burn your corpse, hidding your traces of your existance on this planet, because you are a human who pees in another land and fucking talks another language! PLEASE! COME!

45 Name: Friday-san !oBIrkXzP.s : 2013-10-11 08:46 ID:ngkUYQ5q [Del]

>>44 That's exactly how it is. I totally agree with you. But no... As I've said and above, we never learn from our past history.

46 Name: Friday-san !oBIrkXzP.s : 2013-10-11 08:46 ID:ngkUYQ5q [Del]

>>44 That's exactly how it is. I totally agree with you. But no... As I've said and above, we never learn from our past history.

47 Name: Chreggome : 2013-10-12 07:44 ID:giIRX/wz [Del]

>>44 I lol'd.
10/10 post faggot.

48 Name: Friday-san !oBIrkXzP.s : 2013-10-12 10:22 ID:ngkUYQ5q [Del]

>>47 okay.... Go fuck yourself, you damn idiot. This is serious talk here.

49 Name: Chreggome : 2013-10-12 13:14 ID:giIRX/wz [Del]

>>48 You assume I'm not serious, why?

50 Name: Solace !o0GOqY0U0w : 2013-10-12 21:36 ID:HWR9em5X [Del]

>>48 He was complementing her post? get with the internet lingo, mang.

51 Name: Chreggome : 2013-10-13 00:35 ID:DAsg6Yf+ [Del]

>>50 No, in all fairness I was being a little facetious.

Only because her post was a major eyesore though.
I mean, I can agree with some of her points...but for the most part it was a really bad post.

52 Name: Solace !o0GOqY0U0w : 2013-10-13 02:21 ID:HWR9em5X [Del]

>>51 You racist.

53 Name: Chreggome : 2013-10-13 03:49 ID:tfb8OL9Y [Del]

>>52 A little. :))

54 Name: Solace !o0GOqY0U0w : 2013-10-13 07:35 ID:HWR9em5X [Del]

>>53 newit

55 Name: Yoruichi : 2013-10-13 13:12 ID:o19Yc5Jd [Del]

bad thing..

56 Name: KahluaMilk : 2013-10-16 10:06 ID:0fHymq9q (Image: 275x183 jpg, 10 kb) [Del]

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¬_¬ A racist who likes japanese anime, speaks english, eats tacos, eats pizza (made in Italy), drinks beer (German) and faps with unknown foreign porn stars on internet.
Legit faggot is legit.
And he is a racist when he claims to be a Dollars.
Well gentleman, I will call Aldo Reine to greet ya the way your ass likes ;)

57 Name: Chreggome : 2013-10-16 13:34 ID:JqcLVdON [Del]

>>56 Don't try to circle jerk me.
Everyone is a little racist time and again.
How is the weather up there? Up there on your high horse?
Calm your shit.
The Dollars can be anyone, dude. Do you even online community?

Anyways, as I've said before in this thread, I support the idea of nationalism but I think the Golden Dawn are going about things the wrong way.
If nationalism makes me a racist, then I'll have to just fight Brad Pitt myself.

Sage because circle jerks don't count as bumps

58 Name: Thiamor !J1RZ89SUos : 2013-10-16 15:27 ID:M6nLiL5D [Del]

>>57

I've been off for awhile, posting every now and again...so if this is obviously right, or obviously stupid, don't mind me...but are you Chrome?

I've not seen or heard from him for awhile and he deleted his Facebook account (or it got banned) and so I don't know for sure.

59 Name: Solace !o0GOqY0U0w : 2013-10-16 19:01 ID:0A0Ia1lT [Del]

>>58 Yep, he stopped being Chrome and started being Reggie for a while, now he is the combination.

60 Name: Chreggome : 2013-10-16 21:19 ID:JqcLVdON [Del]

>>58>>59 Is it obvious?

61 Name: sleepology!7I8GXLU01. : 2013-10-17 11:37 ID:SisEmzrA [Del]

>>60 not to those who arent/werent in the loop when you decided to do it

62 Name: Thiamor !J1RZ89SUos : 2013-10-17 15:09 ID:TBo4ey89 [Del]

>>60

I was gone so I had a hard time picking between obvious or not.

How you act is one give away, and how your name is so close to Chrome.

63 Name: KahluaMilk : 2013-10-17 15:12 ID:KSxpQTJw [Del]

>>57 Look. I am not with globalism nor with nationalism though. It is good posting your oppinion but not when you are unawhare of the circumstances like the faggot who supports Golden Dawn. That only makes you plainly stupid. Supporting something that you do not have knowledge of indeed makes you one hell of a stupid man.

64 Name: Anonymous : 2013-10-18 17:23 ID:0dipAZxz [Del]

Can somebody educate me here, as far as I can see this is a party killing to gain its way and you guys support it?

I mean you can support what you like but this seems like a strange way to get higher in politics.

65 Name: Chreggome : 2013-10-19 09:22 ID:JqcLVdON [Del]

>>64 Read the thread better.

66 Name: Chreggome : 2013-10-19 11:36 ID:JqcLVdON [Del]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24589614

I wonder why the GD wants them out of their country...

67 Name: Angel : 2013-10-20 15:18 ID:hqifcIKH [Del]

Are you serious?You actually support a party that uses violence to gain what they want?They are a neo-nazi group that beats immigrants that go to Greece.They even killed a person just because he said something against their ideals!Anyway now their leader is in prison charged for organised crime.

68 Name: zero : 2013-10-30 07:23 ID:OwfKOdd/ [Del]

i dont say what they want there porpoise is wrong but how they do things deal with people who don't support there cause is dead wrong if they really want to change that country they need to address things differently

69 Name: Solace !o0GOqY0U0w : 2013-10-30 07:27 ID:r22W3c2G [Del]

Porpoises have a habit of being wrong; I guess that's what happens when you are the bastard brother of dolphins.