(A teenager posted a heartbreaking video on YouTube chronicling years of bullying in school and online, cutting and humiliation up until she died this week.

Amanda Todd, 15, posted the video called "My story: Struggling, bullying, suicide, self harm" on Sept. 7 and was found dead in her home town of Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, just over a month later.

"Hello, I've decided to tell you about my never ending story," the black and white video begins. Todd can only be seen from her nose down for most of the video, occasionally moving around so that her face is visible. She silently tells her story through a series of white cards with black marker writing on them.

She describes using webcam chats to meet and talk to new people online as a seventh grade student. She said that people told her she was "stunning, beautiful, perfect" and a man pressured her to flash her chest. One year later, she did.

Todd received a Facebook message from a man she did not know saying that if she did not "put on a show" for him, he would send the photo of her chest to everyone. Over Christmas break, Todd said police came to her house at 4 a.m. to tell her that the photo had been sent to everyone.

"I then got really sick and got anxiety, major depression and panic disorders," she wrote. "I then moved and got into drugs and alcohol."

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A year after moving, Todd said things were going better until the man on Facebook came back and used the photo of her chest as his profile picture. Todd said she "cried every night, lost all my friends and respect people had for me again."

"I can never get that photo back," she wrote. "It's out there forever."

She described being called names, eating lunch alone and resorting to cutting herself. She also told the story of an incident where she made a "huge mistake" and "hooked up" with a boy at her school who had a girlfriend, but who she believed really liked her.

A week later, she said she received a text message telling her to get out of school and then a group of students, led by the boy's girlfriend, surrounded her at school and said, "Look around, nobody likes you."

"A guy then yelled, 'Just punch her already,' so [the girlfriend] did," Todd wrote. "She threw me to the ground and punched me several times. Kids filmed it. I was all alone and left on the ground."

Todd said she "wanted to die so bad" when her dad found her in a ditch. She drank bleach when she went home and had to be rushed to the hospital to have her stomach pumped, she said.

"After I got home, all I saw was on Facebook--'She deserved it. Did you wash the mud out of your hair? I hope she's dead,'" she wrote.

Todd moved to another school in another city, but said the torture followed her through Facebook. Students posted photos of ditches and suggested she try another bleach.

"Every day, I think, why am I still here?" she asked towards the end of the video. "I'm stuck. What's left of me now? Nothing stops. I have nobody. I need someone. My name is Amanda Todd."

Authorities were called to a residence in Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, just before 6 p.m. on Oct. 10 to investigate the sudden death of the tormented teenager.

While authorities have not officially called the death a suicide, Cpl. Jamie Chung of the Coquitlam Royal Canadian Mounted Police said in a statement, "At this time it has been determined that the teen's death was not suspicious in nature and that foul play was not a factor."

The coroner is investigating the death, police said.

Todd said in her video that she did not want to press charges against the girl who beat her up because she ?wanted to move on? when she moved to another city and school.

Police did not immediately respond to ABCNews.com's question whether there was a probe into the man who used Todd's Facebook photo in an effort to exploit her and then made it public.

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Todd's family has declined to speak, but Cheryl Quinton, spokeswoman for the Coquitlam School District, told ABCNews.com, "The family was wanting to pass along that several supports were in place for their daughter on the school, home and community levels. There was a lot of intervention and a lot of support. I know that is the message that they want to convey."

Todd was in the tenth grade at the Coquitlam Alternate Basic Education School when she died. School officials would not release the name of her previous school.

Quinton said the death has been "very devastating" to the small school where resources are being provided to students in regards to suicide prevention and bullying.

"We typically, as a school district, don't talk about such deaths but with the family's endorsement we did choose to do so because it is important to point out the dangers associated with social media and cyber-bullying," Quinton said.)-ABC News

(The Lower Mainland District RCMP say a full investigation is underway into the circumstances surrounding the October 10th death of Amanda Todd.

Sergeant Peter Thiessen, spokesperson for Lower Mainland District RCMP Regional Police Service, said the BC Coroners Service is also investigating her death.

“Serious crime teams in Coquitlam and Ridge Meadows are working together, conducting interviews and reviewing any potential contributing factors to her death,” said Thiessen.

He added investigators are also reviewing and actively monitoring social media, and Coquitlam Detachment's victim services is in contact with Amanda's family.

“This is a devastating tragedy, which impacts the community as a whole. Our deepest sympathies go out to the family and friends of this young person,” said Thiessen.

He said it is too soon for the police to comment on the role bullying could have played in Amanda's death.

“However, BC RCMP has publically stated in the past that bullying ranks second, behind substance abuse, for youth issues identified as concerns by our detachments,” he added.

The RCMP recommends parents should always try to keep open lines of communication with their children so they are comfortable coming forward if they are being bullied at school.

A number of resources are available to youth and their parents through the www.deal.org website. These include facts on what bullying is, why people bully and who they target and how parents can deal with their child, whether they are being bullied or are the ones doing the bullying. Other recommended resources include www.bullying.org or www.cyberbullying.ca

The RCMP are asking people with any information related to the Amanda Todd investigation to email them at
AmandaTODDinfo@rcmp-grc.gc.ca.)-BBC News

(Ok, well let's just get this all out of the way so you all can stop your bitching about this dead girl. A lot of what is posted in her video and on her page is fabricated to make her look like she was an angel. Think again.

1. She was 15 years old when she flashed those guys.
...2. She did it out of her own free will. She CHOSE to do it.
3. She already flirted with many guys before.
4. She got 'beat' up at school not because of the picture, but because she slept with another girl's boyfriend. (refer to #1)
5. The guy 'bullied' her once only about 6-8 months after she flashed online. Not multiple times over 2 years.
6. She was known to have slept with multiple men and to sell herself out.
7. Her home life wasn't the best. (family troubles)

You people who are giving her sympathy and pity should all be ashamed of yourselves. Instead of giving pity to a girl who already commited suicide, how about you talk to that lonely kid at lunch? Yea, the one who sits all alone in the corner. But no, you'd rather sit with your friends and then come home and get on facebook and say shit like 'Oh, how come no one helped poor Amanda, she's so pretty, why did she have to die'. FUCK YOU! Go crawl back in your shell of safety while the ones who really need help are only an arms length away.

We should be talking about the ones who were bullied and managed to survive through it all. The success stories. Because that's what gives kids hope, the ones who know what it's like to be in their shoes. The ones who have walked that road before and came out ok.

What kind of message does it send to impressionable teens that if you go ahead and kill yourself that you will get thousands of likes on a facebook page and everyone will feel sorry for you and give you attention? If you have any self respect for the future then you'd stop and think about where your morals are. If you're too confused with your emotions and common sense, then just get off the internet entirely. No one wants to read your idiotic comments and your emotion filled rage tantrums.

tl;dr Stop giving pity to a dead girl. Give it to the ones who deserve it.)-4chan News

What do you think of this?

>discuss

>>7 Sounds legit.
Honestly, I saw when this first came up on 4chan.
Aside from everyone asking for her noods, everyone seemed to recognize that when someone attractive kills herself, somehow it's news. When someone ugly does it, no one cares.

People kill themselves all the time, even in my dinky little hometown. Do any of those deaths get national attention? No, because they weren't "pretty people."

To be honest, the entire thing is drama.
As said above, people die every day. In wars, conflicts, and struggles. Most of them, unless it's an unusual circumstance, don't get this much publicity.
People are holding a suicidal girl up so that she can be remembered, despite her being the one who (against all the sayings of "don't show private pictures of yourself on the internet kiddos!") showed her tits on Omegle in the first place.

She made a stupid mistake, and it came back to her in a bad way. (Who could've seen that one coming, right?). And yet after all of her "struggles" she makes a video about how hard she had it, and then offs herself.

To all the people who say "she deserves to be remembered, this is what bullying can do to a person!":
No. This is what happens when you do something stupid and allow it to continue further unimpeded. To hold up a person who is suicidal is to celebrate that person, which we really don't need to be celebrating suicidals. It's likely that all this drama over one girl is likely to cause others to start ranting about "how they're suicidal too!" because they see that, yes, you can become a famous an hero.

It's really not worth all this drama over one person.

This is incredibly stupid. She says that social media was a large factor in her being bullied. Well, there's a simple solution. Stop using Facebook. I'm also sure that it's not like the ENTIRE school was out to get her. There may have been a few, but she just wants the whole thing to blow up and get a spectacle. Also, this is pretty much self-inflicted. She flashed, no one made her. She slept with someone, no one made her do that either.

What about all of the other people who have killed themselves because of worse bullying or abuse. There are other people who have a fair more to whine and bitch about than her.

If she's called a "hero" and other stuff like that, than it seriously pains me that our society holds pretty people above other, less attractive people who have gone through more and made it through that without suicide.

Her entire problem started when slept with all those guys, flashed herself online, and sold herself to others. Sure, having family problem is one thing, but having that lead to something as bad as that, it's drama...too much drama.

Plus, having her video stretch the truth made it even worse for her.

I'll agree with Black though, the entire thing is drama.
As said above, people die every day. In wars, conflicts, and struggles. Most of them, unless it's an unusual circumstance, don't get this much publicity.

The people who call this drama-queen a hero...they're wrong...and it's completely stupid to hear crap about 'attractive people get all publicity and ugly ones don't', and some other crap that Zeckarias made me think of when they posted...it's a bunch of BS...everyone dies, it's usual...what we do before that time is what changes our death.

Certain deaths should be shown publicly, including some about suicide and bullying...but this one...she got herself into the trouble, so it should have been public, but with all facts shown.

>Get's to where she flashes her tits, then faces the reprecussions of her actions.

It's her fault.

Still don't know what to feel about this. My heart says give the bitch one minimal fuck, my brain says give her none. I'll ignore the fact that this even happened. She did bring it upon herself, but I find it sad (both emotionally and condescendingly) that teens still resort to stupid actions and their stupid consequences.

I quote Lumpy Space Princess of Adventure Time- "Drama-bomb!"

I quote Lumpy Space Princess of Adventure Time- "Drama-bomb!"

While I can't help but feel bad for someone committing suicide, I can't give much sympathy for a person that essentially brought down their own demise. To call a person who flashed themselves online and couldn't deal with the consequences a 'hero' is just blatantly excessive, especially when the first time you've heard of her was five minutes ago.

I think that if anything has to be learnt from Amanda Todd's death, it's that people shouldn't be stupid and not prepare for the backlash that comes with it. If you're going to send nudes to people or sleep with someone else's boyfriend, name-calling is going to be the least of your problems.

Also, I found this related picture on my newsfeed.

Any thoughts

>>16 I believe they initially called it "an hero" and the rest of the world mistranslated.
Maybe it's just the fact that regular people don't know exactly how to respond to it, being that this really isn't what one would consider a "typical" suicide for a person her age. Best bet is that while everyone is making a big issue out of this (both with her and against her) it'll likely pass before we know it.

>>18 Yeah, that's most likely to happen.

>>8 It's also the fact she openly made the video, too. Using the card bandwagon for depressed/suicidal people.

This is what we call massive drama-bomb. I'm all for suicide awareness and prevension, but this chick is freaking out of that category. "Oh, I'm gonna give some random guys on the Internet a little show, nothing'll happen!" Good God, what was she thinking?

Again, people die in conflicts, wars, etc. every day, and so few fucks are given. This is just going to start a whole different debate. We actually had a showing of this at our school the other day, and I could not help but thinking that all of her problems were created by herself.

* prevention

People make mistakes sometimes that they have to live with for the rest of their lives. But people had no write to judge for a few mistakes in her life. We all make mistakes. It's just a part of human nature. In any circumstance,however, the people that harrassed her and bullied her had no right to do so just because they didn't like her. They judged her without getting to know her first and foremost.
Everything that happened to her in those past few years also mest her up and put her in a depression. She obviously did want to get better. If she hadn't she would probably killed herself along time ago.
I hope she can rest in peace. My condolences to her family....

>>23 "They judged her without getting to know her first and foremost."

Tell me, GHOST. How do you know that? Are you at her school? Do you know those kids? Do you know Todd personally?

If not, you can't judge her as a person, either. You don't know her. She may have even been a mean, horrible person who got what she deserved. If you've met her and hung out with her on mulitple occasions, that's fine, but if you haven't, you can't call her a great or horrile person.

horrible*

The girl flashed the guy. She was an idiot. She should have known that something like this would happen. It's common sense, do not flash random guys over the internet. Don't send anyone naked pictures of yourself period. Don't even take them. Do you not pay attention to what happens to the camera whore famous people that have posted inappropriate videos? Just because you're not famous doesn't mean that sending naked pictures won't make your life a living hell.

She slept with a girl's boyfriend. I don't care how much that guy says that he likes her, it's common sense not to make a move on a guy that's already taken. That's just a dumb whore move on her part. Of course the girl would find out and get pissed. She should have seen that coming.

The whole thing is over dramatized. You can't honestly tell me that there's not one person who didn't pick on her through out all of this. Just because the school bullies pick on you does not mean that it's okay to mope and whine. Fucking deal with it and move the fuck on. The bullies would find a reason to pick on her whether she did that or not. Fuck this "moving on" bullshit.

Someone had a picture of her breasts on Facebook. Where are the authorities in this? How about the mods on FB? What about her parents? Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of authority figures that could have been contacted are missing from this picture? I don't give a fuck what she says. Something could have been done to stop that.

On top of that, there's the people commenting an her FB and posting pictures on her FB. Can't she make her account private and unfriend these people? That seems like one easy step for a quick solution to the cyber-bullying problem. How stupid can this girl be not to think of that? She shouldn't have worried so much of what was happening and worried more about how she could stop it.

Now to show the girl some sympathy. That guy was an asshole for posting her picture on the internet. She trusted him and he obviously broke that trust. Scum like that doesn't deserve to live and it makes me sick thinking that there is actually scum like that on this earth. It disgusts me to no end.

Another douche in this story is the guy she slept with. How can he sleep with a girl when he has a girlfriend. Does he not care what happens to the girl e slept with? The fucking idiot, again, got her to give him her trust and he broke it. Not only did he break her trust, but he broke the trust of his girlfriend. I can't believe there are people that do that. Does he not care at all?

Who the fuck beats up a girl for sleeping with their boyfriend? That's childish and stupid. If your boyfriend slept with another girl, then there is obviously issues in the relationship and I can't believe you took your anger out on the girl. That idiot should have broken up with her boyfriend because it's obvious that he's an asshole that doesn't give a fuck about her. Violence won't change shit.

Out of all the people who witnessed it, no one did shit. Does no one really give a fuck about that girl sitting by herself at lunch? Does no one notice the girl that cuts herself that tries to kill herself? How come the only people who seem to notice are the people who bully her? I mean, if I saw that happening to someone, despite how idiotic that person is, I'd have something to say. I'd say something even if it's only because I think that everyone else involved is being just as stupid as she was.

As for said authority figures. The parents did nothing about her cutting? The parents did nothing about her obvious suicidal tendencies? There's a picture of a girl's breasts on FB. Is there no one moderating what pictures are made profile pictures on FB? Seriously? That is assuming that she was smart enough to contact someone about it.

/endrage

Seriously. Does anyone see the major holes in this shit? Stuff that could have been done that wasn't. Obvious ways to prevent this that was ignored. Stupid mistakes made in general.

I still think Drama-bomb

Drama bomb. It's her fault for flashing, isn't it?

Funny. Maybe if she had someone to hang out with all the time, someone who saw past what a disgusting attention whore she was, maybe things would have been different. Maybe, just maybe, if she had GHOST to hang out with...she wouldn't have ended up just hanging with herself.

Really I want to feel bad for her, really I do, but the facts sort of just speak for themselves. She was an idiot; she did bad things, knowing what she was doing, and she didn't expect a negative result? I used to be a bully victim personally, used to be as it stopped after I graduated high school, and I can understand how hard it can be to be picked on but seriously, I was bullied for no reason. Real bully victims get bullied for NO REASON or for stupid reasons (which I say is the same thing); she made her choices and she had to deal with the consequences. But obviously this was a girl who didn't LIKE dealing with consequences and instead decided to act like everything wasn't her fault and she was a real victim instead of the cause of most of her problems, so I'm going with Drama-bomb.

>>26 This.

O MY GLOB YOU GUYS DRAMA BOMB

Ah, so this is what that's all about.
inb4 and inafter I get hate for this, but she was a teenager. Teenagers suffer and do stupid things out of despair. The whole situation of flashing her breasts could have happened to anyone, in fact, there are a whole lot of teenagers who nude themselves on Omegle and NOTHING HAPPENS. Although I admit she made some stupid mistakes, specially for someone who had already made so many, I don't really blame her for them.
Sure, she probably wouldn't have been able to fix her life the way that is was already. But if she had some more help, if she had more people there for her, maybe this could have all been avoided.
I don't care who it is, but when someone dies, they should be remembered, you know? For good reasons OR bad reasons, no one deserves to be forgotten or remembered only for what they did wrong... Because if it came to the point of killing herself, then it was bad. She was undeniably regretting her actions and lost.
While the solution seems simple for someone who isn't going through it, it can be maddening when something like this happens. Maybe her death was to call attention, to let peope know just how much she was suffering, because honestly, what else could she do? She was being shamed for being a "whore", she had few to no friends, and she was confused with nowhere to go. To her, death was probably better than her living hell. That's what I think.

Definately Drama bomb. I've been through worse and she thought her life sucked. I think she was just an idiot for letting everyone get to her, I know I didn't when everyone picked on me throughout middle and high school.

I have to agree with the other 90% of this thread and agree that this is her fault.Now although I do pity this girl for her initial pain and suffering,the rest was her fault.Although I do feel for those who are victoms of all types of bullying and harrasment,she didnt have to flash the man online.Todd could have just clicked on button on her computor and he would have been gone forever from her life.with that one little decision right there her life could have been slighty normal and okay and none of this would be news.

Now,onto the topic of her having sex with the boy who had a girlfriend,that is a whole other topic.She new very well and had the knowledge that this boy HAD A GIRLFRIEND AND WAS IN A RELATIONSHIP!She could have easily waited for this boy to respectfully end the rlationship because if they really did truely love each other then thats what would have happend.Or,she could have just moved on and forgot about the boy who HAS A GIRLFRIEND.i cannot stress that part enough.Her not being able to respect that fact in and of itself make me angry enough.While I do believe that the girlfriend could have taken the high road or found a much more clever way of revenge,Todd deserved it.I have so many friends with much worse lives and trust me,they ar nowhere near killing themselves.This is a definete drama bomb.

But my heart does go out to her friends and family who are suffering currently.


>>17 Now,for the fun part.I remember exactly what happened when this came out in school "Kony 2012 everyone!Yeah I like totally saw the video and its totally like horrible you dudes!" again,while I do feel bad for the children of Kony,I feel like the media and society both jump onto the next thing that can make them feel good about themselves because they care and bought a wristband.

THE JIG IS UP, GUYS.
We're all going to be fired and never employed again.

http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/man+fired+for+posting+negative+comments+on+amanda+todds+memorial+page/6442734156/story.html

Related to this news post, hence why it's not being made into a new thread.

Way to break it, Black.

Anyway, that's ridiculous. You shouldn't be able to fire someone for giving their opinion on something completely unrelated to their work :l

Not to mention that these 'mothers' have some serious issues. Even my mom agrees with me that the girl wasn't bullied - she was forced to face the consequences of her own negative actions.

If you have sex with another girl's boyfriend, you WILL get punched. At certain schools in my district, you WILL get the living shit beaten out of you for it. If you post a picture of your tits online, it WILL be leaked at some point, whether your name IS or ISN'T on them.

That's not bullying. That's the expected result of stupid actions, and all if it could have been completely avoided if she had used some common sense and had her activites more regulated by her parents.

>>37 >>38 So many lulz.
Time to get someone tricked!

Our class was suspended because of a bomb threat...

Read it all.

At first I was really feeling bad for her. I've been through bullying and I know how hard it can get. But as people said it, she bought it. And she wanted to feel seen - seriously, how many kids that commit suicide will you see making a video of how their life sucks? I don't find that many.

People just want attention. And you are giving it to her, we are. I'd say that it is not the worst case. She knew what she did was wrong, and she just wanted ALL the attention she could find to make it easier to live with her mistakes.

Yeah, it sucks. And I can't help to feel bad for her. But she is a attention whore. And that is that. I can tell you that there are people going through harder situations and manage to get out. There are people who didn't want any attention. People who were picked on because they were above the accepted weight (for society), or didn't fit what the school calls "Intelligent".

People kill theirselves every single day. But nobody gives a shit.

To finish it, everyone has quitted something. I know I have quitted 50% of the things I start. But giving up on life is stupid. Suicide is selfish, careless and again, stupid.

It is not like everyone else's life is great. People go through problems, people make mistakes too. So get your shit together, grow a pair, and start making your life what you want it to be.

yeah seriously i dont care how bad your life is suicide is just stupid

>>38
Well even if she caused it, if they make fun of her for it, and won't stop, it still is bullying.

Like how a gay teens have been bullied. It may be way different, but the fact remains they were openly gay, thus they were bullied for it.

The situations are far different, but everyone whom is bullied, in some sense, is bullied because of one or more particular actions they took.


Like, take the nerdy kids who get bullied. Like the one's back when I was in school who would bring Magic the Gathering, Yugioh, and Pokemon cards to school and play with the other ones who would bring them.

They openly was showing to the other kids, the nerdiness in them.

She may have caused the actions leading to her death, obviously, but bullying is still bullying.

Also I don't care about this girl. Didn't know who the fuck she was up until just recently, and I don't try (or even care) to make it my personal business, to know about every melodramatic teen girl who goes on a suicidal rampage when they are struck with hormones, the Internet and truck loads of stupidity, and don't get what they want.

Now it's fucked up she is dead. Everyone deserves to live their one life. That part is bad. But this girl, as a person, was bad. If evil had forms, one of it would be this. Causing shit to happen to others, and themselves for one's own personal amusement, then killing themselves because shit happened, and to cause more shit to happen after dying.

She is the epitome of the worst of the worst that you see on TV of the dramatic teen girl.

So I just wanted to mention the Bullying section of your post, Barabi.

>>44 Not always. There are kids who get bullied for having down syndrome, autism, being poor, having divorced parents, etc. Those things are beyond their control.

>>45
Well "in some sense" it's still their actions that caused it. It may be out of their control, but it still is what they have, that is causing them to get bullied. That is my point.

No matter how one is to look at it, this retarded girl did get bullied.

>>44 Remember that this post is coming from someone who has been bullied their entire life up until high school. I know how much it sucks to get bullied. However, from what has been released by both the family and the general public, this girl was not really being bullied.

By common definition? Yes. However, in my opinion, true bullying is the result of something that's out of your control. If it is in your control and you fix it, they will find another thing and another thing and another thing wrong with you until you have no self-esteem left. True bullying is when you are targetted by more than one person and physically or mentally abused regarding multiple subjects that are ultimately things that weren't your fault from the start.

She was being bullied because of a few mistak- wait, no. Those weren't mistakes. She wasn't misguided. She was well aware of the fact that what she was doing was wrong and did them anyway.

Do you think she was completely ignorant of the fact that you shouldn't show yourself naked to random people? Do you think she thought it was alright? If she was ignorant to that, then I feel sorry for her, and her parents need to step forward and explain that they taught her it was okay to show her tits to random people online. Otherwise, she did it by her own choice with the knowledge that it was not right. Whether she expected it to get on her Facebook or not, she was aware that it was morally wrong and there would be consequences of some kind.

When the consequences came, according to what was released, she acted like an innocent about it instead of sucking up and admitting that she did something wrong. Many have suggested that she posted pictures of her breasts online on multiple occasions, as well.

Again, this also applies to her having sex with someone else's boyfriend. If her parents will come forward and say, "Yes, we specifically told her that it was okay to have sex with men who were already dating other women. We told her there would be no consequences," then the girl was ignorant and it wasn't her fault. However, it has been shoved down our throats by society that you shouldn't do that with someone that isn't yours. It is very unlikely that she didn't know it was wrong to do it with people who were already with someone else.

So what did she do? She did it anyway. Whether he led her on or not, she was aware that it was wrong and that there were consequences. When the consequences came, again - she responded to it like someone who was innocent of all charges. It wasn't her boyfriend. Everything that happened was to be expected.

She did not want to admit that she was wrong even when all of this backlashed; instead, she decided that hanging herself would be easier.

From what we've heard, I feel this girl was the true bully. She was showing herself off to strangers, trying to take boys away from other girls, and then whining and crying about how everyone was so mean to her online. By crying about how everyone was mean, she was inadvertently bullying everyone who had responded to her improper actions offline; she was suggesting that these people, who reacted the way most people would have, were mean and were bullying her. This puts everyone who knows her on the spotlight as being cruel and unusual people. After her death, that no doubtedly affected their lives more than they had affected hers.

Todd could have easily avoided the bullying. Online bullying is bullshit; all she had to do was put her privacy settings on high and block people who were mean to her. If you're really being bullied, you're not going to keep the people who are bullying you on your Facebook. The only reason you would let them keep commenting and talking about you is for attention - so you have something to show to others and cry about later.

I would know. I went through that phase as well, unfortunately.

Everything that happened is as one would expect it to be. Bullying, in it's TRUE definition, is something that is out of her control. However, she could have easily avoided everything that had happened to her had she used common sense. I believe that, if you're enitrely at fault, it's not bullying - it's discipline and consequence.

It's the way the world works, like it or not. Rather than bullying, it's more like karma. If you do something bad, something bad will be done to you, and that's all that happened.

As someone who has gone through years of bullying, I know that true bullying is something you can't avoid. It's ever prevalent, and there's no reason for it. If you walk a certain way, someone might point it out, and all of a sudden, you're being made fun of. Not bullied - just made fun of. Bullying is a compilation of this happening on many occasions with different topics. When you're repeatedly made a target for insults, you're bullied. You're not being bullied if people are making fun of you for one or two stupid things you'd done in the past.

I'm completely offended that people consider this bullshit bullying.

I also find it disgusting that they're making her out to be an icon for bullied kids. This whole thing is going to protect liars and cheats more than society was already protecting them. If their parents can't discipline them because of society's rules, the least you could do is let their peers discipline them.

We need to stop protecting people who majorly fuck up. They have to face consequences at some point, and if that consequence is getting beat up or made fun of once or twice, then so be it. The only reason they're hanging themselves from it is because society lets them. People who commit suicide get a lot of attention. The families often get a lot of donations for no good reason. The suicide victims are made out to be heroes.

Still, none of this is bullying. The people who are calling it bullying are the ones who have never actually been bullied and the ones who haven't looked the Todd case up properly. Her family is only glorifying her because they can. If I died now, my mom would probably tell the world that I, "was a straight A student (<-is not) with a hard life (<-so/so) who was beautiful (<-lolno) and was kind to everybody, even those who bullied her (<-lolno)." People are known to do that. Parents in particular put dead children on a pedastol and refuse to accept that their child did anything wrong. They make it out to seem like their child is an angel and that everyone else was mean to them. They make it seem like everything was some other kid's fault.

I don't blame them, but it bothers me that it has gotten this out of hand. Amanda Todd doesn't seem like a nice person at all; she's only being commeneded because her parents went crying out to the public (alongside her video) about how she was such a good girl and how the world hated her.

We don't really know anything about her besides that. For all we know, she could be the greatest shithead ever made to man. For all we know, she may have been bullying these kids for a long time, but once they started pushing back, she got all emotional and dramatic and committed suicide. Now, those people that she may have been bullying before look like the bad ones, and it's bullshit.

Ah. I misread part of that at first. It seems she didn't have sex with the boy; rather, she dated him from the sidelines of the relationship he already had, which isn't any better.

That's just as bad, IMO, and my points stand.

>>47 This is why I love when you get mad.

>>47 /thread
<3 you Baba.

>>51 .../curious
>>49 >>50 I love you too? :I

>>47, Baba Yaga, thank you for posting what I was too lazy to... I was still thinking this though.

Perhaps she was partially reprehensible for what happened to herself, but that doesn't make the people who cyber bullied innocent. Everyone makes mistakes. I feel that even the Cyber bullies themselves should be given a chance. Maybe some won't change, but for some, they only did it because they never understood the seriousness of their actions. I don't think they truly meant for her to come to harm. And perhaps the once-bullies may be experiencing bullying because of what they did now...

This whole fiasco could have been avoided by following the simple guideline I was taught as a kid: Never post anything that can be used against you on the internet. Examine photos closley, don't reveal too much private information, ect.
Although that isn't exactly the same, it's the general idea that counts. You don't flash, you can't get blackmailed for it.
I mean, there are people like me, who are born with a deformity. Or a disease, or a mental illness, disability, that kind of thing. We get bullied for it, but it isn't our fault - we were born that way and we can't change it. To sum that up, what Crisis said in >>45.
Additionally, I've been bullied for my disfiguration ALL MY LIFE, but I didn't commit suicide. Nor did I post a fuckin' video about my life before I did it - please excuse my language.
Even though I was bullied for being 'nerdy' (ie. Intelligent and proud of it), German (Eeyup. Because I was German.), and deformed, I still managed to keep up my grades, maintain some form of social life, and, you know, NOT COMMIT SUICIDE.
I tried to watch the video, actually - but I got bored about ten seconds in and said, 'Fuck that, I'll go feed the homeless at my local church insted.'
Okay, I didn't actually do that, but I went and helped my elderly grandmother with a broken wrist get her shopping done and made some repairs to her damaged roof. So, something useful.
That girl did not have depression. When I was growing up, my father kicked my mother, younger brother and I out of the house and demanded five hundred thousand dollars. My mother had severe back problems and wasn't able to work, so we couldn't pay the money. We were in debt, and she had two young children to take care of. We didn't have a house for a goddamn year, and I only had one meal a day. My mother had fucking depression.
My ex boyfriend, the sweetest person I know, suffers from manic depression because he has a drug dealing drunkard of a father who likes to beat him up. He's being medicated for it, and I've seen him at his worst - Amanda Todd doesn't know shit about depression.
I saw a close family friend die of cancer right in front of me. She was only thirty five, and because the government didn't give half a fuck, she died in pain. Her entire family is in debt for all the futile treatments. And guess what? No-one cared.
She didn't want to die. She was a beautiful, nice woman who still went to nightclubs and danced like crazy when she wasn't in the hospital, vomiting her guts up.
What I'm getting at? That was one person who was cut down in their prime - and a case where no fucks were given. One girl kills herself because of her own mistake and she gets sympathy from half the damn internet.

So, my overall answer: Drama-bomb of the century.
Either way, my condolences go to her family.

I'll say she's an ugly, bitchy looking.

legion ether stop posting or don't be a complete jackass ok personally i don't think anyone likes you

I wasn't TALKING TO YOU.

doesn't matter your still a d-bag legion

This sort of stuff happens all of the time. The only reason she got so much attention is because she is pretty. And the whole thing is her fault to begin with.

My opinion is this: She made a stupid decision, and was called out for it. And when the bullying at school stopped when she came home, she somehow thought it would be a fantastic idea to check up on her hate mail. Yeah, that's the way to go: Whine about uncontrollable bullying, and then go home and deliberately subject yourself to more.

So, she drives herself to using the cowards way out, instead of taking simple steps to bettering her own life. The end. You might think this is a tragedy, but in my eyes, it was her own stupidity that brought her suffering, and her own stupidity and selfishness that brought her to commit suicide.

I wouldn't expect anything less than daily humiliation if I went streaking just because of some impulse. And I certainly wouldn't try to kill myself just because I did something stupid, and end up looking at some unpleasant consequences.

In other words, I think the whole thing is a Drama-Bomb. Amanda Todd was a victim of her own actions, more than anything.

My friend posted this. I thought I'd share it.

Amanda Todd

1. She was 15 years old when she flashed those guys.
2. She did it out of her own free will. She CHOSE to do it.
3. She already flirted with many guys before.
4. She got 'beat' up at school not because of the picture, but because she slept with another girl's boyfriend. (refer to #1)
5. The guy 'bullied' her once only about 6-8 months after she flashed online. Not multiple times over 2 years.
6. She was known to have slept with multiple men and to sell herself out.
7. Her home life wasn't the best. (family troubles)

You people who are giving her sympathy and pity should all be ashamed of yourselves. Instead of giving pity to a girl who already committed suicide, how about you talk to that lonely kid at lunch? Yea, the one who sits all alone in the corner. But no, you'd rather sit with your friends and then come home and get on Facebook and say stuff like 'Oh, how come no one helped poor Amanda, she's so pretty, why did she have to die'. Go crawl back in your shell of safety while the ones who really need help are only an arms length away.

We should be talking about the ones who were bullied and managed to survive through it all. The success stories. Because that's what gives kids hope, the ones who know what it's like to be in their shoes. The ones who have walked that road before and came out okay.

What kind of message does it send to impressionable teens that if you go ahead and kill yourself that you will get thousands of likes on a Facebook page and everyone will feel sorry for you and give you attention? If you have any self respect for the future then you'd stop and think about where your morals are. If you're too confused with your emotions and common sense, then just get off the internet entirely. No one wants to read your idiotic comments and your emotion filled rage tantrums.

^^^ that's so true. I'm honestly one of those kids who tend to be alone at lunch and throughout the rest of the day.. Stop with all the pity to Amanda Todd. I'm not saying she deserved it and that you shouldn't think it's right, but she received and is still receiving so much attention from mainly people who don't even know her. If I killed myself tonight I know I wouldn't get this much attention. So for all of you saying R.I.P. to a "great and beautiful girl", stahp . k? k C:

>>62
That's already weeks old copypasta, with no real sources on a few points.
That, and *almost* every single person ITT agrees that it was her own fault, given the events. You're preaching to the choir here.

She brought it on herself. That's all I have to say.

>>63 Yeah, I realize this as I frequent other sites. Then I headdesk and remember who I copied it from and what the hell was I thinking.

Why the hell did she show her chest to someone unknow to her?

>>66 maybe because she was a lonely teen who needed to feel wanted or special to SOMEONE. Didn't matter who. Kids will do anything for attentions when they feel like no one cares about them.

I think her story is being a bit over dramatized. She's not that different then a lot of ppl. There are tons of girls and even boys who have gone threw what she has, and killed themselves over it. It's heartbreaking, and we, as Dollars, do need to do something about it (Check the Missions threads), but Amanda Todd shouldn't get extra special sympathy or criticism as all those other kids. Instead of saying "oh poor girl, lets give her attention for acting like all teens these days" we need to just work harder so that things like this don't keep happening.

>>67 What you said in the end is all that i should comment on. Its perfect.

Erika, thank you. I have been trying to get people to realise that for ages. Anyone here heard of Rachel Joy Scott? If not, look her up, along with the Columbine Shooting. Read about her essay, and her challenge, and start spreading the word about that. We need more things like that then posts about kids that have already killed themselves. I'd love to be seeing things like, "I thought suicide was the answer, but then I talked to... Now, I know I'm stronger than that."

Suicide is for pussies that can't handle life.

That may seem out of line, but it's what I always think of during even the most hardest moments in my life. Suicide would be giving up, and I just didn't grow up believing quitting is a way out. Not only would they be weak, but it's selfish. Believe it or not, some people do have my help and without it they might end up in a bad situation. I don't want that for the people that I do somewhat care about and who depend on me.

>>68 Thank You

>>69 Ya, I thought you would like that Chibi-chan.

>>70 This

This has been at the top of the news board for a while so I figured I'd throw in my two cents.

Do I know all the details about what happened to her? Not really - but I know enough to know it's another sob story being passed around like it's never happened before. Some terrible shit happened to a girl, she got depressed, became an hero.. the only difference is how publicized it is

Blogs everywhere won't shut up about it, news sites are still talking about it, people with youtube partnerships are making faux sympathy videos to cash in on the ad revenue from tackling a popular subject - it has just turned another form of entertainment.

Should you feel sympathy, knowing that it's contributing to mob mentality? Or should you feel callous, simply to oppose the bandwagon? Does feeling sympathy make you fake, or does feeling callous and apathetic make you a bad person?

I don't claim to understand depression or suicidal mindsets. There is something legitimately wrong with someone when they are pushed to that edge. Being a pussy has nothing to do with it - you have to be one ballsy motherfucker to kill yourself, if you think about it. It has to do with bad judgement, on the level of complete mental instability.

If anything, this topic isn't something that should be discussed on such a privatized level as Amanda Todd. The issue of depression, abuse, etc. is something that can be discussed without having to feel bad about one particular person, as if they're the only victims. And it's a bit sickening that people only claim to give a shit once they hear about one publicized, but far from unique, case.

>>47 As always i find myself in awe and gratitude of your posting Baba. As a fellow bully victim, I agree with you of course

>>44 I was an open nerd too, exactly like that. That wasn't why I was bullied; really playing Magic the Gathering or Yugi-oh isn't so much a cause of bullying, at least not here where I live. It's usually for other stupider reasons. Like the kid is even less than other people (including yes gay kids or overweight children or kids who just didn't try to act popular).

>>54 I don't think any of us are really saying the cyber-bullies are innocent. No one has a right to bully others like that. But honestly in the opinions of the majority it seems, the fact of the matter was she sort of brought it on herself with her actions. People should be nicer but as my friend Jacob says stupid people won't learn to stop being stupid unless they learn consequences. Unfortunately as I said in my other post she was obviously someone unwilling to handle consequences like the rest of us.

>>55 I agree with that and I follow that sort of guideline too but obviously she wasn't the type who really thought before she did anything.

All in all, I think most of us are agreed that this girl was a drama-bomb. Not to say that maybe the fact she got bullied is not exactly nice, I really don't like the idea of people being bullied at all, but she wasn't an innocent entirely. She did stupid things, she knew what was going to happen, she got in trouble and she didn't want to own up to it. In my opinion, and it seems to be shared among you, its not right to have this girl be seen as a true victim when there are others who are more deserving and many of whom are still alive. The kids who get bullied because of their sexual orientation, because they're smaller, because they're bigger (as in fatter though seriously at this point in human social evolution I wouldn't be surprised to hear that taller kids are being bullied), because they talk funny, because they don't act the same as others (in this I mean like how they don't pretend to like the same music or shows or books or whatever), because they look like good targets, or for an assortment of other reasons that really don't matter one bit, they're the ones who when they make videos about being in pain or being bullied (not too many of course or else it'll turn into something horrific) or they commit suicide should get attention. Not girls who with their actions only succeed in proving one simple thing to us all, something we all know: Every action has a reaction.

I don't like to capslock often, but i am PISSED OFF. it's like you all forget that you were once young and stupid. are we all supposed to be geniuses the moment we pop out of the womb? she was fifteen when she flashed that dude. and i know i was a dumbass when i was 15. so what if she wanted attention? it's only human to want to be liked. and what the mainstream media did with her case has NOTHING to do with her. whether or not she was "tragic case or drama bomb omg" should not even be a discussion that is being had. some people cause drama. tough shit. but, clearly, she was feeling /some/ kind of serious pain because SHE FUCKING KILLED HERSELF. this is horrible.

besides, teenagers are notorious for being emotional. we are just learning about boundaries, sexuality, our bodies. it's confusing and shitty. and just because YOU didn't crack under the pressure or kill yourself gives you NO right to just sit there on your high horse and pass judgment on a dead girl. maybe if you were in her head you could know what was going on there. otherwise, get the fuck off the internet and go do something useful. like get a new set of fucking morals.

seriously. i just could not believe when i saw this discussion. maybe we could talk about how the media portrays suicide? the negative effects of mainstream media on suicidal cases? attacking just one girl isn't helping shit. you are all just reinforcing the shitty attitudes of our society, the rabid-wolfpack aspect; the disintegration of pity, tolerance, acceptance, community. rather than band together over a tragedy or do something positive about it (i.e., talking to that one lonely girl who never talks, raising to attention the suicides of non-photogenic people, having a reasonable discussion on how similar tragedies could be avoided) we would rather sit here on the internet and spread hate. yes, you may actually be doing those positive things. i'm sorry if i've wrongly accused you. but this is what it looks like. it looks to me like a big group of people looking at a dead girl and calling her a slut. saying she deserved it. no one deserves to be driven to suicide no matter what they've done. if you think someone deserves to die, just fucking kill them.