So apparently scientists have discovered a new planet several million miles away that is perfectly able to have life on it, if I recall it's called Geliese 581G but i'm not %100 positive, though I think if we can sustain intersteller travel we would have to take care of TWO planets, and we already are barly able to handel one. So if we go to another one it would just be proving that humanity is incapable of changing, even if it is to save the life of a planet.

They just discovered this one...meaning it's so far away decades of searching the skies still weren't enough to locate a target so far off. You aren't living in a sci-fi story nor have we so much as set human foot on Mars, the planet directly next to us, so the chances you'll ever have to face this problem are just as likely as you being the one to discover it.

ha ha. they got to inspect the planet and make sure we can grow plants on it and breathe air and drink water and stuff. i like earth tho. we just gotta give back to the community more. like a lot more! like Reggie Veggie before he went insane.

It would take decades to get there. And we probably wouldn't be in comunication with the other planet. One could be taken over by a dictator and no one wuld know. Who knows by the time the first ship that reaches it we might have invented something to take us there( like light speed or something)

>>2 if we could travel at the speed of light it would seem like a long time for us, but for the people travelling, it would only seem like a few weeks, but that's only IF we could harness the ability to travel at light.i think i heard that they may have found something (neutrinos i think it was) that moves faster than light, invalidating a lot of Einstein's theories thus possibly making that claim irrelevant, but still

Really, the only thing is, over-population. So long as you have that concern in your minds, it would be easy to learn from the mistakes humans have made on earth, for on the new world it would be a new beginning, a chance to start over, but with experience.

We also just recovered the first naturally occurring Quasar-crystal. Shits gettin real.

I'm afraid that I'm more than a little sceptical. We can't have discovered another habitable planet that close. What youre suggesting is another planet between either Earth and Venus or Earth and Mars. If either were the case we would have discovered them ages ago.

>>8
You're giving us way too much credit. There are a lot of shit we SHOULD have discovered by now, like actual proof Big foot does't exist, yet people say they are still seeing it.

It's irrelevant, how close it is to us, and us actually finding it. So I can believe they have found something, even if it's so obviously close.

Doesn't*

Also if we can make ships go at light speed shouldn't we be able to take care of the over population?

>>11

No amount of science will keep morons from breeding. Unless of course we round them all up and then use science to brainwash them into not having sex or at least unprotected sex.

True but we can educate people into realizing there are options. Haveing a child is a long prosses and people don't think it over enough. And also people should have safer sex too and what better way then to educate them. If people just adopted, had abortions, didn't get convinced by that guy that it couldn't happen if they were standing up etc than it wouldn't happen. (this is a good discusion)

Ppl need to save the life's of animals! Let alone ourselves!

Ppl need to save the life's of animals! Let alone ourselves!

>>13
>>Abortions
>>Educating

Implying it's SMART to do that and it saves the world or some-type of failure shit like that, am I right?

I'm not pro, or against it, but don't act like it's the SMARTER way of preserving any damn thing.

>>15

We are saving animals more so than what we used to do. But if you mean to NOT kill animals, even for food, go without food, then come back and comment. Also go hug a tree.

If not, then okay.

>>17 Hugging trees is more entertaining than it sounds, of course I prefer climbing them so whatever. Anyway, even in my own hippie-brain I wouldn't jump so far as making a comment like >>15 's without properly explaining myself. The biodiversity of this planet has been plummeting throughout the course of the growth of human civilization. So when I state that mankind has directly and indirectly caused the extinction of millions of species of organisms, it's not an exaggeration. If we were to somehow reach or replicate a habitable territory for human life, I have no doubt that this new land (or abandoned land on Earth) would be sought after as wildlife refuges and reforestation sites for the introduction of struggling species. These territories will also be sought after by hopeful corporations, investors, and governments for their various purposes. No regulatory service will ever be capable of restraining this furious ambition, and a war of overlapping factions will ensue. A person's alignment will include their devotion to the causes of these individual nations, corporations, and ideological groups and renegade fighters will determine most of the conflict's outcome. At this time it will be no important to be transparent, so should the Dollars remain in this time we could be invaluable to reliable truths of enemy factions and a driving forum for possible applicable peace.

I'm sorry, what were we talking about again?

*no more

>>3 Ha ha, I agree. Reggie Veggie did indeed go insane, thanks to his idiocy with the Wolf Man, We've just got to be sure to do things differently than he did, but with a similar purpose. (Ah, Darren Shan~ <3)

Hmmm... I wonder if well be able to live on it... But if we do, then it'll be long after we are all dead. *Sigh*

ooh~ a new planet i'll be sure to visit that one day!

Firstly, the actual thought of sending a human to this said planet more than likely won't even be in our life-time.

Because, we would first need a proper space travel system, as in we need the neutrinos or some chemical's/fuel to get there fast enough so the humans needed to inhabit this planet would not age to much.

Also, there would be years of testing and there would have to be nearly absolute positive that we can inhabit that planet.

Then there would be a new space race to see which country would land on it first, more than likely causing tension between america and other countries, so until all of these things are settled we really don't even have to think about worrying about this new planet.

Though I hope I'm wrong since I'd love to see this new planet.

Personally I believe that this is very possible. With as many planets that there are in the universe, there has to be another that can sustain life. Think about it, If you believe in the "Big Bang" Theory, then you would know how the planets and stars are just masses of matter in space that condensed to form them. If this is how they were indeed formed, then every planet was created randomly. This leaves a very big possibility that at least one out of the Billions of planets could have vegetation and water.

I really don't know much about the Big Bang, or outer space in general, so don't be mad if it's not very accurate.

really mars could b made habitible with terraforming simple.it just needs two things..first..create an ozone.second...melt the polar caps by 65%

ps... way to prevent babies and handle overpopulation was developed way back in the dark ages by overzealous parents.Its called a chasity belt.We just would have to modify for a modern version.

>>26

Oh, thanks. I know it's an EASY fucking accomplishment to make an Ozone for millions of people.

You make it sound so easy, yet I bet you don't even know half of the shit you're trying to make us believe you know.

I lol'd at the fact that every one of thiamor's posts have at least ONE word that is capitalized for emphasis.

Terraforming planets is possible but is very hard. If you want to terraform a planet, the first should be Mars. It's close to Earth, so transportation of resources wouldn't be as hard. But how would we transport O2? We wouldn't have to transport Oxygen (O2) because it's already there in the form of Iron Oxide. If we can separate the Oxygen from the Iron, we will be able to use the Iron to build and use the Oxygen to breath, and from there we need to figure out how to get water. Water is H2O, which is two Hydrogen atoms and one Oxygen atom. We urinate large amounts of Hydrogen, so that paired with the Oxygen from the Iron Oxide with give us water. The problem we have is getting the molecules to form and separate at our will, which would most likely be done with a catalyst of some kind.

See our problem is this. Since it is so far away we have no idea on what type of lifeforms may exist. If already has a sentient species on the planet, we cannot colonize. And since we have not the materials to launch a space war we would lose instantly. Also we have no idea whether there is any deadly toxins on the planet. Without this knowledge we could end up having something like Dead Space going on.

In my opinion, if there is life on the planet in question, then there's just the simple conclusion that we're screwed, and that we should compensate preserving the world we currently have. The earth is actually doomed, in physiological sense, seeing as we are slowly, slowly, orbiting closer to the sun. We get no farther than a centimeter every century or so, but as I see it eventually we're all still damned. We shouldn't risk exploring the new planet unless the human race is prepared in advance for nuclear war. I'm not saying there's aliens, but better safe than detonate the wipeout of the human race any sooner than planned. Jebus makes a great point with this, too.

You jump to the conclusion(s) that if there is life on these planets, that a war is bound to happen.
Why not also think, that they could/would ALLOW people from Earth to live alongside of them? It's also a possibilit

Possibility.

I never ruled out the possibility.

I do agree, there is a chance that we *could* in theory, live alongside another race. But the chanced percentile is unknown. As is the possibility that we could start a war.

This all assuming there is a race *at all*, of which might not even be realistic.
Like someone said earlier, there's also an infinite scale of threats that may exist, beyond the fact of alien existence.

So I'm still sticking with the point I made earlier that we better be safe than sorry.

It's sad that we won't be able to see manned exploration on this new planets during our lifetime... Suddunly real life starts to blend and seem like sci-fi.... New planets that could harbour life, what an exhilarating though!

^ thought*

>>35

You also fail to realize the technological jump we've been having, year after year, compared to like 50 years ago. You never know how fast they could do this.

My only concern with the new planet is that, I want to know how old this planet is, because if it is older then ours (witch I doubt it is) it means we would have less time there then we would here, though with the capabilities of intersteller flight of the future, we would be able to move back and forth, though another thing is, on the other planet population would expload, and if there was an emergancy and we all needed to go back, earth or Geliese 581G would be over populated making living much more difficult, and food would be very scarce.

I heard an interesting idea recently that makes me ponder how tangible interstellar travel would be. Basically the idea was that: in space, if there's no gravity or friction, then how would you slow down? If there is no gravity to hold you back, then you would have to have a special system to make sure that you actually stopped when you needed to.

If I'm understanding the concept correctly, then that would also mean that if you had a problem with the device that was supposed to stop you, then you would just keep going until you either all died of starvation or hit something. It might not be correct, but I just thought it was an interesting idea; as I had never really thought about that before.

My only concern is the atmosphere, availability of food, flora and fauna (wildlife), and water source or sources.

>>39 If you think about it, when we went to the moon the same problem arose, but the scientist figured out that the moon produced its own weaker gravitational pull so that there is a pull to slow the ship and pull it towards the objective, and if Geliese 581G is anything like the moon, then we should have no problem with the landing, the only problem is the distance from here to there, it would take a generation to reach the planet, the would have to be a plentiful food supply and there would have to be a family on there, maybe 2 so that the generation would continue on after, and if they existed on the planet, and then they would have to establish and extremely far type a communication so that they could respond and let the people of earth know its survivable on the planet.

I apologize for any miss spelled words, its early in the morning and my mind is in different places not full focused on this discussion.

One thing is that there is gravity in space just scene space one is moving at a constant rate and two our universe is string out the accumulation of gravity over a period of time and distance. Next thing is that scene we have found that hydrogen an other gasses are in space friction with the right and gravital rotation of set planet or moon thus friction can occur but possibly in these circumstances, and some food to thought all thought titan one of Saturn's moon holds the Terra formation and other necessities that requires life to exist scene the low gravity its not able to keep these gasses if were to heat up the gasses would dissipate into the universe so think how could we live on titan without these gasses from dissipating

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OMG a planet we can live on!? That's so fricking cool!:D
But... we don't need another planet to inhabit, and we already have enough problems on trying to keep the planet we're living on healthy (DAMN LITTERBUGS!>:V)
Besides, if it's millions of miles away, then imagine how long it would take for us to get there!o-o

thats a good idea but the damage has been done. 1/percent of the world population is leading humanity to its destruction . even if we reach this planet we are stil under their control
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Only several million miles away? How come we haven't discovered this before then? I'm pretty certain that's no even the end of our solar system - if you said several HUNDRED million miles away I could believe that

>>46

Maybe because of the years and years of travel it'd have to TAKE before finding something so close. You can't just expect something to be found so quick and easily, just because it's close.

its like when TRIGUN went to a new planet

Bump.

I'd love to be given a chance to live with the dinosaurs! LOLOL

>>50 What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

>>51 They watch to much sourcefed apparently.

So if it ever came time to colonize, should we send the criminals there first?

>>53
That would not really accomplish anything.

>>54 Actually, it's make room in the prisons, and we'd learn a little about what wildlife is dangerous (if there's any there), what's toxic, stuff like that. It's how the British colonized Australia.

>>55 Oh, yes we should definitly think about giving away lives that have probably changed, and be just like our stupid ancestors that think Black people should be enslaved and take away their land. Thats a great idea! No, thats just a big no right there if you thought I was being serious.

>>56 Dude, people are in prison for a reason. Blacks were just enslaved because they weren't thought of as humans. Prisoners are humans, but they're fucked up. I'm pretty sure Crisis is talking about prisoners on the higher end of the fucked-up scale, and the majority of murderers, rapists, et cetera haven't changed. If you think any sort of majority of them have changed, you need to get your head out of your ass and look at reality.