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Post-Trump Discussion (6)

1 Name: Proto : 2016-11-12 22:47 ID:AAHQi0MV [Del]

I would like to start a discussion chiefly for American Dollars, but others should feel free to jump in. I have no respect for Donald Trump, but I do have sympathy for many individuals who voted for Trump and also for those, especially sexual or racial minorities, who are afraid right now. I don't know if there are many here who voted for Trump, but if there are I think this would be a good place for us to gather as American Dollars of all political persuasions and make a genuine effort to understand one another's positions. I know most Trump supporters are not racists or sexists, and by uniting in spite of our different values we can take a stand against the vile minority of true racists who feel empowered in the wake of this election. Issues to consider in particular: is national/local identity important? If so, should it be preserved? And again if so, is there any way we can reconcile that with the aims of globalism? In other words, is it healthy, perhaps even necessary, to think of participation in a national and/or local community as part of our identity, and if so does globalism threaten that need? (Note: I know this may not seem like a mission exactly, but I think it could be essential to completing missions in the future.)

2 Name: Usagi : 2016-11-13 02:26 ID:8i2fkN14 [Del]

I live in Oregon,USA and we are known to be peaceful and calm. But now for the last 4 days there have been protest in Portland and vandlism, and I'm sad, because that's not Oregon. We do have protest, but there done in a more peaceful way.When I see the protest in my state it reminds of the protest in Ukraine. I want my state to remain peaceful.

3 Name: DeathTheGamer : 2016-11-13 07:05 ID:qR31oVD5 (Image: 261x174 jpg, 14 kb) [Del]

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eh' Can't say i especially "Like" This Election Turn Out But I Have To Say Its Better Then Hillary, And If You Don't Agree With Me Have This Image.

4 Name: BarabiSama !lmBitchbiw : 2016-11-13 10:12 ID:Scn3c/JH [Del]

"Is national/local identity important? If so, should it be preserved?"

Local identity is important for the generations it applies to. But using a location as an excuse to continue traditions which hurt others after being made aware of them doing so is not acceptable.

It's natural that things change with time, that we learn new things, and it's important to remember where we came from and respect the values of those who came before us. But those who came before need to respect the change and make an effort to understand what we've learned for that to happen. The environment is too toxic for us to do so otherwise.

"And again if so, is there any way we can reconcile that with the aims of globalism?"

I believe the expansion of unbiased, objective education is the safest way to do this. People fear because they are ignorant to topics which were brushed over in their education, or which weren't taught in the days when they were educated. One which encourages the sort of educational social experiences of the current generation would be ideal.

"In other words, is it healthy, perhaps even necessary, to think of participation in a national and/or local community as part of our identity, and if so does globalism threaten that need?"

It can be healthy, and globalism does not threaten that desire or need. It's simply a matter of accepting that globalism, that the ability to accept change, is a positive part of your community's identity.

5 Name: BarabiSama !lmBitchbiw : 2016-11-13 10:13 ID:Scn3c/JH [Del]

I can see what you're getting at by putting this here, but discussions do belong on Main, for future reference :o

6 Name: Proto : 2016-11-13 17:10 ID:AAHQi0MV [Del]

Thanks, Usagi and Barabi for your contributions. You raise an important issue, Usagi. What is the best way to express concern with the prospect of Donald Trump as President? Are the protests valuable, or do they have the potential to be valuable? And we definitely need to remember that incidents of violence have occurred on both sides at this point.

Thanks for your well-articulated view, Barabi. Good stuff. Let me push back with a few questions to take the discussion a bit further.
When do we recognize when a tradition is hurting others? Should traditions always change to accommodate individuals, or should individuals sometimes change to accommodate traditions?
What have new generations learned which prior generations did not know? Can we be certain that our way of understanding is truly the best way (i.e. is an "educational social experience of the current generation" really on "objective" education)?
You're welcome to your view DeaththeGamer, although it doesn't sound like you're very interested in understanding or being understood.
Thanks for the note on the thread. Next time I'll be sure to put it in its proper place.