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A Truly Ambitious Plan for Water Resources Worldwide (31)

1 Name: MKOLLER !YYk5m0jo12 : 2011-12-11 06:03 ID:w1Dn0Hhd [Del]

To the collective members of the Dollars, on the eleventh of December, 2011, I make this proposal:

I have watched, and I have seen, many members exert their enthusiasm and determination to make the Dollars different. I think I speak for most of us here when I say that with numbers, we can change the world.

We all come from different backgrounds, many countries, religions, ideologies, young and old, male, female, transgender, and everything in between. But most importantly, each and every one of us has a unique set of skills that I feel can be used to do something amazing. That is why I come to the Dollars to ask for aid in a massive undertaking.

This is the Ogallala Aquifer, one of the largest aquifers in the world. It has been used for decades, if not longer, to satisfy the needs of farmers and townspeople during this stretch of time. It formed millennia ago, as glacial waters in the Rocky Mountains from the last ice age descended into the plains and sank below ground. Today, it is fed from rivers carrying melted snow from the Rockies into the Great Plains.

However, this water is being used up faster than the rivers can replenish it. As noted here, many areas are receiving a water shortfall. The aquifer must be sustained, and the only way is by human means. That is the equivalence of nature; when one takes something, one must give something back.

Of course, the Ogallala Aquifer is not the only body of water on the globe to be experiencing a water shortfall. Many freshwater lakes and rivers, as well as aquifers in other regions, are experiencing shortfalls as human consumption increases. Therefore, this is a global issue.

I have a plan to combat this, but it will take numbers. It will take a combined effort of thousands, but I feel that if it succeeds, the Dollars will go down in history for their victory in replenishing the environment.

The first step will be a massive allocation of freshwater resources. To do so, we will need to work together to purify billions of gallons of seawater. It sounds like a daunting task, but do not be afraid to take up the challenge.

A solar, CNG or electric desalinator can be made at home with the proper equipment. Five-to-ten-gallon capacity containers can be purchased cheaply at most supermarkets, and one gallon containers of milk can easily be reused for this purpose. The accumulation of hundreds of thousands of gallons of freshwater would only take a few weeks if we managed to get enough people to take on the task.

Second, the water would need to be transported. But to where? There would need to be individual cells in each community to determine where the water should be transported to. If it is decided that the Ogallala aquifer is top priority, then the containers could be transported by truck or train. If local projects rank higher in priority, then water tankers are satisfactory.

Finally, the release of the water into the water table must be correlated with the pH level of its destination. Meaning that if a stream or lake is the destination, and the pH level is, say...5, then the water much be treated to have a pH of 5 before it is released into the stream or lake.

It's a lot to think about, a lot of planning, and months or years of execution. But I know most of us are smart enough, and driven enough, to rally the masses toward this cause. Therefore, it is with high hopes that you accept this mission and work toward it. Thank you.

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3 Name: Ayanavi : 2011-12-11 18:59 ID:rDddOIyN [Del]

Are there any pre-established organizations or movements we could get in touch with to help co-ordinate the effort, or get some help from as far as transportation and water treatment?

4 Name: MKOLLER !YYk5m0jo12 : 2011-12-11 20:47 ID:w1Dn0Hhd [Del]

Charity:Water may be one, since they also do the SuperDonate thing, but the trouble is they focus their efforts abroad. On a domestic level we could call upon government agencies like the US Department of Agriculture, the US Forest Service, and the Bureau of Land Management. But our biggest challenge would stem from proving that the economic factors wouldn't put federal and state power in jeopardy.

In the transit sector there are thousands of miles of rail nationally. Most of it is run by independent freight companies like CSX and BNSF. If we could call upon them to provide supply cars at a reduced rate to groups like us with the promise of tax writeoffs, then they might comply.

What we need are some well crafted business plans, presentations and the combined support of thousands through proper media coverage.

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6 Name: Fatality : 2011-12-12 17:15 ID:sauqsj03 [Del]

Bump because of the importance of this mission

7 Name: divineraccoon !lOJ5tap5Nk : 2011-12-12 17:53 ID:DxuPsU8S [Del]

bumping for awesome

8 Name: divineraccoon !lOJ5tap5Nk : 2011-12-12 18:02 ID:DxuPsU8S [Del]

bump

9 Name: MKOLLER !YYk5m0jo12 : 2011-12-13 00:54 ID:w1Dn0Hhd [Del]

Rebumping. And please, continue to ask questions. It helps us better define our unknowns.

10 Name: AJPalJ : 2011-12-13 09:32 ID:QWejxtrG [Del]

Question: Would we only be focusing on purifying seawater? I understand that pulling from rivers and lakes would be largely counter productive (especially for those who live closest to the problem in Colorado), but is there some other resource we could look to for purified water? A lot of sewer companies purify their water now don't they? Is there anyway we could get them in on it? or is their water too chemically treated to be of any use? Only asking because this is a really big problem and those who live in the inner states may not think it entirely theirs because they don't live near the ocean or near CO.

Also, can you perhaps post a link on the purifying technique/apparatus you mentioned? I'd like a little more information on that.

11 Name: MKOLLER !YYk5m0jo12 : 2011-12-13 09:47 ID:w1Dn0Hhd [Del]

>>10 While retreated water is a strong option it's still very finite in comparison to ocean water. In addition wastewater is harder to purify due to certain dissolved materials that are quite hazardous.

Now, I am aware of the problem for inner states, especially considering that the aforementioned aquifer is in the center of the country. Therefore, a system for moving ocean water is not out of the question. As an aspiring engineer I am going to make it my quest to determine the most efficient way to move water inland, but it will take some time.

Anyway, there are many techniques for desalination. On an industrial level, large vacuums are used to lower the pressure of water, which reduces its boiling point. Another technique is reverse osmosis, or the diffusion of water molecules across a membrane. Meanwhile on a more consumer friendly level, you can purify water by boiling it. You've probably noticed this if you have a tea kettle; when steam vacates the kettle it leaves a concentration of solids behind.

So what I have planned (and will sketch up within the next few days) is an apparatus that would use a metal container such as a drum to store contaminated water. There would be an opening to pour the water in, then a rubber stopper attached to a tube in the top center. When the metal drum is heated it would force the resulting steam up into the tube (the stopper acts as a seal to better ensure the steam goes in the tube) and then the tube is connected to a screw-on cap for a 5 gallon water jug. You screw on the cap and let the steam condense in the tube. It then drops into the jug as pure water.

While the process sounds complicated it's actually quite simple. The hurdles in this case would be finding a way to efficiently heat the water and also finding the cheapest materials to construct the system.

12 Name: MKOLLER !YYk5m0jo12 : 2011-12-15 10:49 ID:w1Dn0Hhd (Image: 1362x664 jpg, 112 kb) [Del]

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This is a really simple distiller design that can be made rather cheaply. It's distilling power is limited to small volumes of water per cycle, but I think it could get the job done.

You would need a cooking pot with lid, a plastic 5 gallon water drum, a miniature stovetop, rubber stoppers and plastic tubing.

1. Remove the lid handle from the top of the lid. Widen the opening until you can fit a rubber stopper into it. Attach one end of the tube to the rubber stopper and the rubber stopper to the lid. Fill the pot with saltwater and place the lid over it.

2. Attach a second rubber stopper to the other end of the tube, then to the water jug. Turn on the mini stovetop. Let water boil. Steam will enter the tube, condense and deposit itself into the freshwater jug.

3. When all water is distilled, turn off stovetop. Let pot cool, remove lid, remove salts, fill with water, and repeat process.

13 Name: Yukio!DboM3.beAE : 2011-12-18 01:31 ID:78bkvUVU [Del]

Bump for my Dollars idol OuO

14 Name: MKOLLER !YYk5m0jo12 : 2011-12-18 19:43 ID:Fm+oZ9eQ [Del]

Re-bump for excellence!

15 Name: Darasuum : 2011-12-18 20:17 ID:q48sN3Rk [Del]

bump

16 Name: MKOLLER !YYk5m0jo12 : 2011-12-21 22:24 ID:w1Dn0Hhd [Del]

So during Winter Term I'm hoping to build a demonstratable model. I think if we can get all the real world constraints identified we can maximize our output efficiency. If anyone has more questions, feel free to ask.

17 Name: MKOLLER !YYk5m0jo12 : 2011-12-21 23:03 ID:w1Dn0Hhd [Del]

One more update while we're on the subject: Two members from Texas are already starting on a plan to store purified water in a facility in San Antonio, with the intent of transport to Amarillo. If it works as planned, we can store hundreds of thousands gallons, or more, and move it at our leisure.

18 Name: Zero/L !3MgqXA34gU : 2011-12-21 23:57 ID:zg7m4Oql [Del]

If there is anyone else in that area i have places where i can store water all you need to do is let me no and we'll gladly send water your way :D

19 Name: MKOLLER !YYk5m0jo12 : 2011-12-21 23:58 ID:w1Dn0Hhd [Del]

If any Dollars live in Texas and wish to help, please look for the group "Dollars Xceeds" on Facebook and get in contact with either Joey Leon Arredondo or Kenny Barringer. We've done a bit of research and we're planning on transporting the treated water 500 miles from San Antonio to Amarillo. The ballpark estimate for the unit cost is $1.25 per 5 gallons of water transferred, which is ideal. It makes this mission a real possibility, so we want to hit it hard. And for that, we need numbers; people need to get involved.

I'm trying to work on a similar system in California. If we can create a system to transfer saltwater from the Pacific Ocean to the Mojave desert, we an foster the construction of a solar distillation/desalination facility that can provide freshwater to the Greater Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Palmdale areas, which are all currently facing long-term drought risks.

I am requesting contact from anyone who lives in California or southern Oregon. I currently commute between the two states, so it would be beneficial to get input from members in both. Please email me at mkollersms@gmail.com if you have any input, intel, or questions relating to anything posted here. Thanks!

20 Name: Zero/L !3MgqXA34gU : 2011-12-22 00:03 ID:zg7m4Oql [Del]

if anyone needs to get in contact with me either look up 'Joey Leon Arredondo' on facebook or email me at llawliet6277@yahoo.com

21 Name: CupCakes !!/d0h1Nm4 : 2011-12-22 02:13 ID:KnKG+zm0 [Del]

It sounds awesome.
Bump, I suppose.

22 Name: CrazyAlchemist : 2011-12-22 02:18 ID:55DN54yv [Del]

yes, it's finally a good thing to live in Texas! I'm so helping out!^^

23 Name: Zero/L !3MgqXA34gU : 2011-12-24 14:40 ID:zg7m4Oql [Del]

Bump!

24 Name: Ghost★ : 2011-12-24 17:22 ID:5+S+UqlQ [Del]

I live in falfurrias as I guess I can help out texas

25 Name: MKOLLER !YYk5m0jo12 : 2011-12-25 01:41 ID:w1Dn0Hhd [Del]

Here's the latest for a California/Nevada related mission:

You may recall a thread I made a few months ago about Water Rights in Nevada (Seen Here). In that thread I talked about how Las Vegas is having horrid water problems, and plans to take extreme measures that may threaten the livelihoods of citizens farther north in the state.

Well, it may be possible to direct this mission toward providing clean water to Las Vegas in an effort to remove the critical drought risks from that area. And it starts with the city of Ventura, CA.

There's a harbor with a river that runs parallel to California State Routes 126 and 14 toward Lancaster (the Santa Clara River). It connects to the California Aqueduct, which parallels Routes 138 and 18. It then crosses the Fremont Wash toward Barstow.

The nice thing about Barstow is there is a dry lakebed (Harper Lake) that the Bureau of Land Management already wants to restore. Even better, there is a solar group using this area for solar production.

Finally, there is a railway in the Barstow area that connects to Las Vegas. We could theoretically use this to ferry treated water from Harper lake to the desert city.

This map should reveal a potential series of routes for the water. It shows the roads that parallel the rivers and railways and gives a ballpark estimate for distance.

26 Name: MKOLLER !YYk5m0jo12 : 2012-01-02 21:27 ID:w1Dn0Hhd [Del]

I'm going to bring this back up to the top since the water thing is becoming an important topic.

27 Name: Zero/L !3MgqXA34gU : 2012-01-03 06:51 ID:zg7m4Oql [Del]

Bump :D

28 Name: BarabiSama !!C8QPa1Mt : 2013-07-17 11:06 ID:2O3c5RwD [Del]

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29 Name: Nex !vKh8Jud6kU : 2014-01-13 06:51 ID:KDKWD9dg [Del]

Bump

30 Name: Malisa : 2014-01-13 08:10 ID:mFfd0810 [Del]

I am a Ecology student, and i am from Serbia and i work for bether and safer future in my land but i need suport from others.

31 Name: astin : 2014-01-16 13:47 ID:6Uj3Zm8A [Del]

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